State Sen. Donald Betts, D-Wichita, seconded our complaint about Attorney General Phill Kline’s likening of an anti-abortion member of his staff to Rosa Parks and the Rev. Martin Luther King, calling on Kline to “refrain from using the titans of the civil-rights movement to advance his personal political agenda.” In response, Kline told the Associated Press Thursday, “What I’ve stated is that this nation has a long history of respecting civil disobedience and peaceful protest. And what I mentioned was that Rosa Parks was engaged in such, and I respect her for that expression.” Respecting civil disobedience is one thing, but the issue is whether it was wise for Kline to hire Bryan Brown as his consumer affairs chief in 2003, after Brown’s dozen arrests and failure to pay a $61,000 court judgment in Indiana.
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The women who actually filed Doe V Bolton and Roe V Wade claim that the ACLU lied to them.”Doe” actually claims she never wanted an abortion and had to leave the state to get away from the ACLU attorneys trying to push her into having an abortion.The entire pro-abortion establishment is built on legal lies.However, those proven lies and these obvious frauds don’t get printed in the Wichita Eagle.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52210
Rajive Goyle is a proud member of the ACLU, defending the “terrorist bill of rights” and the rights of street performers to offend the public, and the “rights” of women who dont want abortion, and, presumably, the right of the ACLU to commit fraud to push the abortion agenda! Of course, Goyle also sued the school districts in Maryland and got the judges to raise taxes there, too!
We dont need Goyle in the legislature, vote for Bonnie Huy!
The left wants prolifers to follow the law when they oppose the abortion laws of this country.
Those laws were built on illegal actions by the ACLU! I have always preferred the legal route, and I have not taken the “civil disobediance” path that OR and Bryan Brown took, in the past. However, Brown deserves some respect as someone who truly did promote “Peaceful” protest.I think you “Law and Order Liberals” look pretty ridiculous on the abortion issue!
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52210
Paul…
U know we have this debate all the time on this blog… You bring out your bag of tricks trying to pressure us to vote pro life and discredit the pro choice groups but you still don’t offer solutions. You don’t offer plans of what to do with the Million or so unwanted children? Who will support them? Who will raise them? Who will put them into Collage? etc… etc… etc…
Why don’t you stop with trying to twist history and create a viable plan of what to do with the unwanted children. Once you do that, than I betcha you will get a much better response…
Personally, i don’t think abortion is a good thing BUT it is a necessary evil to maintain the way of life we have become accustom. The day the private sector (i.e. churches, industry, etc… NOT GOVERNMENT) can burden the majority cost of these unwanted children, is the day ill vote to outlaw abortion…
Paul…
U know we have this debate all the time on this blog… You bring out your bag of tricks trying to pressure us to vote pro life and discredit the pro choice groups but you still don’t offer solutions. You don’t offer plans of what to do with the Million or so unwanted children? Who will support them? Who will raise them? Who will put them into Collage? etc… etc… etc…
Why don’t you stop with trying to twist history and create a viable plan of what to do with the unwanted children. Once you do that, than I betcha you will get a much better response…
Personally, i don’t think abortion is a good thing BUT it is a necessary evil to maintain the way of life we have become accustom. The day the private sector (i.e. churches, industry, etc… NOT GOVERNMENT) can burden the majority cost of these unwanted children, is the day ill vote to outlaw abortion…
Former Congressman Bob Barr is also a member of the ACLU. No doubt Paul would call him a liberal who supports terrorists too. Does anything Paul write actually worth reading? Can anyone point to a post where he didn’t lie, was wrong or just looked absolutely retarded?
nope… cant think of a single one…
TonyI think the states should be able to handle this issue on their own, the way things were before Roe and Doe.I think the Federal Government, most notably the Supreme Court, should just back out of the issue.The public does not approve of abortion as a means of birth control.If we just get the Courts out of the matter, we can resolve this state my state and quit talking about it!—-Now, my point here is that the ACLU has been using illegal tactics for years, shopping for symathetic judges and inventing cases to push their causes.There hasnt been a strong legal effort on the right until recently.It is hypocritical for the left to claim that they have soul authority to invoke “civil disobedience” or that civil disobedience can only be used on THEIR, politically correct, causes.The left violates the law all the time to advance liberal views.——By the way, if Bryan Brown was fined under the RICO act or the KKK act, that fine is null and void.The Supreme Court tossed those cases out, since those acts were not “legal” to use against prolife protesters.
“ACLU has been using illegal tactics for years”
And what have the Repubs been doing lately by yelling “Activist Judges”…
There isnt a single difference…
You still dont have a plan though Paul, u say let the states decide, fine, if the states decide, how do they pay for it if they do outlaw it?
Tony and DougYou are both so obviously lacking in facts that you have to call names and claim that I lied about something.Everything I have stated is what I believe to be true.You have never caught me in a “lie.”The ACLU is a radical organization which undermines American values. It is not an organization that truly supports free speech or it would have fought the McCain Feingold campaign finance reform gag rules.Membership in the ACLU is enough for millions of Americans to vote against someone!
I’ve been pouring water on Rosell from his first post. Finally he is melting down.
Paul,
Lets see here, has the ACLU ever tried to kill someone?
Operation Rescue has…
Has the ACLU harassed tax paying businesses by picketing them?
Operation Rescue has…
Paul, you are singling out the ACLU but yet, you support terrorist organizations that make death threats…
Your point about the ACLU is Mute.
FYI, i dont support the ACLU in one bit… I think they (as they stand today) are as out dated as unions…
I’ve heard the rumor about Roe and the ACLU, but I’ve never seen evidence to back it up.
Paul, you present yourself as someone with intelligence, yet you and others continue to say that Roe v. Wade is about abortion. The SC decision was made regarding the right of privacy, particularly the privacy to seek medical attention. An abortion is a medical procedure.
This is not a state by state issue. As long as the right to privacy is a national issue, so will this be.
The day R v. W is overturned, I want to see a list of the names of every man who has filled a prescription for Viagra or any other ED medication/enhancer. That should sell some papers.
KLINE:HECKUVA JOB, BROWNIE!!
WND is not a reputable source.
WND is not a reputable source.
Dorking, a while back, paulfrosell linked to a conservative chat room as his evidence to support his argument.That’s who you’re dealing with.
U notice Paul hasnt come back yet…
Paul, im still waiting for a answer to my question… How is what the ACLU does worse than what Operation Rescue has already done?
Paul = paid poster.
I’ve met Mr. Betts and he’s a great guy! I just wish he represented MY OWN district.
The ACLU is needed more than ever as rights are being stomped on over and over again. I support the ACLU fully.
So members like conservative Bob Barr are radicals? The ACLU has defended baptists churches, prisoners right to preach Christianity, the right of second graders to sing religious songs, the right to preach Christianity in the streets, the rights for people to protest abortion, the rights of students to hand out candy canes with Christian messages on them and so many others.
http://home.comcast.net/~aasch/ACLUFightsForChristians.htm
Yeah, I suppose defending the rights of Christians to express their religion is considered radical to anti-Christians like Paul.
As usual Paul, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Perhaps it was not wise politically for Kline to hire Brown, but it is fair to compare civil civil disobedience to civil disobedience. Betts–reread what Kline said.
But didn’t Rosa Parks pay her fine? I don’t believe Rosa Parks ever advocated violence with her civil disobedience did she?
Operation Rescue pretends to be a defender of the unborn but they are really just another tax free organization that wants to collect millions of dollars from ignorant people.
I’m voting for Raj Goyle! He’s really a smart, articulate guy. He stopped by my house and actually asked what was important to ME. He then patiently listened as I detailed my concerns. What a great guy! He’s REALLY hot too!!
My guess is that if Rosa Parks had been fined $61,000 she wouldn’t have paid the fine either. The point that Kline was making is that someone who is arrested for civil disobedience is generally different from someone, let’s say, who is arrested for stealing a car. I’m tired of people being so sensitive. Kline’s statement is accurate and truthful. I would not trust a politician who attacks Kline on that basis. Let’s cut through the crap and stick to the issues.
I believe at the heart of civil disobedience is you go out, do your thing, take the consequences, and perhaps get others to sympathize/agree with your position, and get the laws changed. You know kind of like Cindy Sheehan, a true activist that follows her conscience.
You are missing the larger point. How can Bryan Brown, as Deputy AG, require companies to pay civil fines for consumer protection violations when he didn’t and hasn’t yet paid his own civil fines??????? Another glaring example of Kline’s poor judgment, but then again, we all know Kline isn’t concerned about being a good AG–he just wants to stop abortion. It’s time to “De-Kline in November”
I personally hope you all keep it up. (All you guys and gals and the ALCU.) The worse things get the better, then everyone will know who the “real christians” are, because they will all be gone. What will be sad is most of the people will probably not even notice they are gone. (Most of the problems will not be considered problems anymore.)It will be a perrrrfect world. So, Lord Jesus come. (Hurry!)
JRYou have problems with logic, and the problem is so bad you dont know where you are in any argument.
DougI think Barr was trying to change the ACLU from the inside. That is a losing battle. There are ACLU members that mean well, and do not understand the divisive history of the organization. You should look into how the organization was founded!
RDDoes the “right to privacy” protect parents against child abuse?Of course not.There are limits to the privacy right.You are ridiculous.I have heard few liberals defend, for instance, the privacy rights of Rush Limbaugh when politically motivated prosecuters went after his medical records.Roe V Wade was bad law. Do V Bolton was worse law. Several very liberal attorneys admit that Roe and Doe were badly decided.Eventually, these rulings will be overturned, because the law as is stands does not make any sense. The system devised under Doe and Roe is not workable, is full of scientific holes, and is not accepted by large numbers of the population.This issue is best left to the states.—-Of course, Congress could just tell the courts they no longer had any jurisdiction over the abortion issue.That would only take a majority vote, but I don’t see that happening right away.
Again, if Bryan Brown was sued under the KKK act or under the RICO act, his fine is null and void.The Supreme Court tossed all actions under those statutes made against OR.The Supreme Court, in those decisions, recognized that OR was a non profit group engaged in Civil Disobedience.In RICO, profit motive had to be proven, and it wasn’t.Under KKK act lawsuits, “animus” had to be proven, and wasn’t. “Color of law” also had to be proven, and wasn’t.
luceeDid Rosa Parks have to apologize for the Blank Panthers or the Nation of Islam?Of course not!But in here, anyone that says they are “pro life” is lumped in with everyone who shoots abortion providers.Don’t forget that the Black Panthers used to torture their own people.http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/panthers.aspThe above is a liberal post, so it should be considered by you lefties.
TracyI do link to conservative chat rooms at times, especially when you isolated looneys accuse me of making something up!What better way then to show you that what I am saying is a source of wide-spread discussion?This WEblog is an echo chamber of liberal wimpering and nonsense.
I realize that proving I didnt come up with an idea all by myself doesnt make it true, but it does defend me from the “you are making s— up charge!
Of course, I am alternately accused of being too stupid to write my own copy, and of being paid to write my posts, and of cutting and pasting, and of making stuff up.Sometimes, I am accused of all of the above on the same thread! lol.
Accusations are best de-coded as surrender on the facts!
TonyI absolutely love your question:
I think those of you on the left who think the ACLU is a wonderful organization should also allow like minded organizations on the Right!I would be more than happy to admit that OR and the ACLU are morally equivalent.Does that answer your question?
Paul – does the ACLU picket funerals like OR does? Or shoot people?
If you defend Operation Rescue then you cannot apologize for their behavior – you are a part of their behavior.
Paul?
I have barely posted this thread at all other than to observe that you were melting down. And you are still doing it! Quit whimpering about how you are treated here. YOU made your own bed with your lies, shilly links, and refusal to acknowledge who is sponsoring you here and be a man! Tell us about your arrest.
Ben? I take it you have personal experience with this clown. My email is live. Share what you got? I’m tired of Paul’s whining and shilling. I’m ready to put this proll (for our readers, a “proll” is a paid poster) outta our misery.
Gee Paul, what a way to avoid the issue. Is the ACLU’s defending Christians freedom of religion a sign of the ACLU being a radical organization? Do you despise them for fighting for your Constitutional rights? Or is it that you just hate the Constitution?
Bob Barr joined the ACLU because he was fed up with the Bush administration’s abuse of power and intrusion into people’s private lives. He could have went to the ACLJ but he knew the ACLU was the best organization for defending people’s civil rights. He hasn’t tried to change them, he joined them to support them. As a long time member of the ACLU I don’t need to be lectured by someone who clearly has no clue about the organization.
Get an education Paul.
Paul is a shill Doug.
And he DID get an education in ……..wait for it…..
JOURNALISM!
And he regularly demonstrates for us here why (to use his own words Re: journalism) “they didn’t want me”
Anon: you might have a point on the bigger issue. But, remember, Ronda Holman started this thing because Betts is upset at Kline daring to compare civil disobedience to civil disobedience. The comparision Kline made is valid. Betts is way off base.
BenOR does not shoot people either. OR does not promote violence.Again, Rosa Parks did not have to apologize for the Black Panthers, and I dont think OR should have to apologize for those who promote or practice violence, either.
Funny, I’ve been physically attacked by members of OR, including the head, Troy Newman.
Shelly Shannon was with Operation Rescue and happened to shoot a local doctor six times. Oh wait, those are facts, I suppose you don’t want to know about those.
How much were you paid to tell that silly lie Paul?
This link exposes much of the ACLU agenda:http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45959Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman founded the ACLU in 1920 along with three other organizations dedicated to the most leftist of causes. The histories of these two individuals belie their claims of patriotism and respect for the Constitution.
Baldwin openly sought the utter destruction of American society. Fifteen years after the founding of the ACLU, Baldwin wrote:
I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself … I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.
Earl Browder, the general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States, admitted that the ACLU served as a “transmission belt” for the party. Baldwin agreed, claiming, “I don’t regret being a part of the communist tactic which increased the effectiveness of a good cause.”
Baldwin was a devoted follower of the anarchist Emma Goldman (or “Red Emma” as she was called), who was eventually deported to the Soviet Union in 1919 for her communist activities. Goldman was a consistent promoter of anarchism, radical education, “free love” and birth control. According to an online exhibit of Goldman’s papers, her career “served as inspiration for Roger Baldwin, a future founder of the American Civil Liberties Union.”
Doug”guilt by association” is OK for you to use against me and against OR, but not for me to use against you and your lefist friends?If OR was truly a violent organization, Tiller would be dead.There are thousands of OR supporters who are much better shots than Shelly Shanon, but they do not condone violence in support of the cause.I do not belong to OR, though I support their right to PEACEFULLY protest.I do not support violence in any political cause.
DougWhy didnt you prosecute those who “attacked” you?I would like the case number.Can you give that to me please?
JR is attacking me again.Sure sign that his side is taking some hits!
I already filed a police report Paul.
Quit bitching Paul and tell us about why you were arrested.
I am here to bust you for the paid posting shill that you are.
“My side” is taking hits?
Hey Rosell it is YOUR side that is the party of protecting and enabling child predators like REPUBLICAN congressman Mark Foley. I say you deserve the hits.
Paul is blubbering again. A sure sign that I have him on the run again.
Hey Paul my email is live. Come tell me who is sponsoring your posts here. I would really like to know.
I will keep it confidential and my credibility is well known here. If you give me evidence that you should be treated fairly, I will accomodate you.
So Paul, you believe that some founder’s of an organization views are shared by all members and the current heads of the organization? I’m wondering if you are really this naive. I can think of a country whose founders thought that owning slaves was alright, and that only white, male property owners should have the right to vote. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if you held those views.
Well let’s look at Prescott Bush, he thought making money off the slave labor of Jews destined to die in the Holocaust was a pretty good idea. Therefore we can conclude, using Paul’s logic, that George W. Bush shares those same views. Go farther back and you’ll find that Bush’s family owned slaves, one of those slaves being related to General Colin Powell. Powell and Bush are related because some member of the Bush family thought it okay to rape slave women. So Paul must think that all Bush’s approve of slavery and rape.
Well, back to the ACLU. Crystal Eastman fought for women to get the right to vote. Well, we certainly can’t have that in Paul’s world.
There’s also Jeanette Rankin, who served in the House of Representatives as a Republican. She was a founding member of the ACLU and a Republican therefore Paul must conclude that all Republicans are corrupt. Oh wait, Paul’s a Republican. Hmmm, the possibility might give Paul a pause. She also worked to lower infant mortality but Paul must be in favor of infant mortality too since the founders of the ACLU were against it.
Roger Baldwin opposed the Sedition Act of 1918 while pretty much ended the First Amendments freedom of speech since no speech critical of the government was legal. Paul would say, “So what?” but some people valued the Constitution which Paul doesn’t. Baldwin was given the Medal of Freedom by President Carter, and was invited by General MacArthur to Japan to promote freedom in that country and Japan awarded him The Order of the Rising Sun.
On the other hand Paul spends his time spreading lies on an internet blog. If only others had such courage and foresight as Paul to devote their lives to spreading freedom throughout the world. Too bad you don’t have any credible evidence to back up your pack of lies but I wouldn’t expect anything less from you.
Peresonally, I think Donald Betts is more hot than Raj Goyle. Goyle is pretty good looking, though. Those Democrats sure know how to pick sexy candidates!
Paul,Just to let you know, I happened to be present when an OR member attacked Doug. He was trying hard to do some real damage to Doug, and ended up being hauled off in handcuffs. Doug was much nicer about it than I would have been. If that joker had attacked me like that, he would have been hauled off to the hospital instead of jail.
Paul Roshill takes money from AIPAC.
Enough said.
Paul,
Tiller is not dead because OR’s assassin was a bad shot. He was shot during the summer of mercy if I’m not mistaken. And the woman who was leading Kline’s rally at the debate here in Wichita, founder of Kansans for Truth in Politics which is an OR/KFL spinoff served 2 years in Leavenworth for conspiring to blow up an abortion clinic (which would kill the innocent unborn babies in the waiting room)
Also, Kline’s Brownie doesn’t have to pay his fines because the statute of limitations has expired (surprisingly, Kline knew what that was…or at least he appearted to at the press conference) It has nothing to do with any supreme court decision.
Last but not least, if you’re going to attack Goyle (btw, where did that come from? Isn’t this story about Betts calling Kline out for making a boneheaded analogy?) at least spell his name right. You take a pretty significant credibility hit when you haven’t even done enough research to spell his name correctly.
R-A-J-E-E-V, or just Raj works too.
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In case the facts matter ..
Bryan and two others (Ellen Brown and Wendell Brane) were enjoined from organizing and taking part in mass protest activity that had the affect of blocking access to an abortion clinic in Fort Wayne, Indiana, in 1990. Brown had not been arrested in those protests, his ex-wife had led them and been arrested in them. Brown was named based upon information contained in a newsletter his ex-wife wrote and produced. She divorced Brown after the abortion clinic sued, leaving him for their common friend, her current spouse.
The federal court in Fort Wayne issued its injunction against the backdrop of Bray v. Alexandria, a case arising out of the sit-ins that took placed in Washington, DC in the late 80’s. The lower court in Bray held that such protest activity was evidence of animus against women, and, as such, was thus a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1871 which is codified at 42 USC 1985. Under this jurisprudence social protestors across the country were first enjoined and then subjected to demands for attorneys fees, as that the Civil Rights Act of 1871, pursuant to 42 USC 1988, orders the losing Defendants to pay the attorneys fees of the prevailing plaintiffs.
Brown has never been alleged to have violated that injunction.
Brown was ordered, in February, 1991, to pay $61,616.61 to the abortion clinic in Fort Wayne due to the fee shifting provision of 42 usc 1988, the same provision that allows Fred Phelps to be paid attorney fees when he gets the fed courts to fule that local governments violated his rights. THe abortionists “proved” that the three Fort Wayne defendants were violating the rights of their patients, so the three defendants were ordered to pay the attorney fees of the NOW-sponsored attorneys. Had such provisions been used against the SCLC the civil rights movement would have been bankrupted by retail store and lunch counter owners. They were not so used. The abortionists enjoyed this rare victory over private actors due to the errors that the lower court ruling on Bray v. Alexandria introduced into the legal landscape for a season. Brown and friends was “bagged” during that short season. Brown was soon thereafter summoned to federal court for collection purposes, at which time he tendered all the information requested toward the goal of the abortionists seizing all of his assets and made plans to leave the State of Indiana for the Summer of Mercy in Wichita. Brown lost his house, gave almost all of his possessions to women in crisis, and cashed in his retirement, which he lived off of in Wichita. He lost home, career and marriage in the firefight his ex-wife had kicked off. (That is not to say he was not involved, he was, as a police negotiator, a paralegal like position, for the Northeast Indinana Rescue group.)
A few months after the February, 1991 judgment issued adverse to Brown, Bray v. Alexandria was granted cert for review by the U.S. Supreme Court. The argument presented moved the court to issue a ruling overturning the finding that the Civil Rights Law of 1871 applied to such protest activity. No more were to be “bagged” like Brown was. The Supreme Court subsequently ruled, 9-0, that the RICO laws did not apply either.
With the ruling from Bray dashed to pieces, Brown and his friend and fellow activist, Protestant Pastor Wendell Brane, planned their strategy to challenge the order that they pay attorney fees under 42 USC 1988 with a motion brought pursuant to Rule 60 of the federal rules of evidence. This motion would be “ripe” only if the abortion clinic sought to collect on the judgment. It had so tried to collect before the Supreme Court ruled against Bray. After Bray fell the abortion clinic never again tried to collect the attorneys fees. The abortion clinic instead abandoned its judgment in federal court, never domesticating it to the Indiana state court where it could have enjoyed a 20 year shelf life. Because the abortion clinic failed to service its judgment, essentially abandoned the judgment, the judgment was deemed fully satisfied by the operation of time by March, 2001, a full 22 months before AG Kline hired Brown.
DougIt is a well known fact that many in the KKK supported womens sufferage, there have been books and articles written about it. The thought was that white women would vote in higher numbers than Black women. Again, you are making my point: you like to tar with a very broad brush any conservative view, but you scream “guilt by association” when your “saints” are attacked for their connection to known scoundrels.
DaThe Supreme Court nullified this fine, then.ALL actions under the Civil Rights Act were tossed out by the Supreme Court.The Court clearly stated in BRAY that abortion protest was not “class based animus” (not motivated by hate.)
“Civil Rights Act of 1871 which is codified at 42 USC 1985. “This act is also known as the Ku Klux Klan act.The preamble states “— to protect Catholics, Republicans and Negroes in the Reconstruction South.”
Anyway, ALL OF MY LIBERAL OPPONENTS ON THIS THREAD HAVE LOST A LEGAL ARGUEMENT!
The Supreme Court ruled in Bray that the KKK act could not be used against Operation Rescue.
Paul, so what if the Klan supported the vote for women? And what does that have to do with the subject anyway? Many Christian groups supported suffrage, and just as many, if not more, opposed it.
Doug,You brought up the ACLU’s links to womens sufferage.I think it only fair to say that not all of those on the side of Womens sufferage were saints, dont you? The KKK did think more white women than black women would vote.
DaThe KKK act also required that the plaintiff prove that the actions of the defendent were done “under color of law” meaning the police or political authority had to be actively involved in the violation of civil rights.The Supreme Court ruled that there was no “animus” or hate involved, and the Court also ruled that there was no “state action” involved in any of the Civil Rights cases brought against OR.Again, Browns fine was overturned by the Supreme Court.The Abortion Clinic knew this fact, so they never tried to collect their judgement against Brown in state or federal court.
By the way, the “state action” or “color of law” portion of the Civil Rights Act is there due to the historical fact that the KKK and the Democrat Party, including Democrat politicians, were pretty much the same people in the Reconstruction South. This is why the act states it is for the protection of “Catholics, Republicans and Negroes in the Reconstruction South.”
Now Northerners, dont get too high and mighty please. Most of the anti forced busing riots were in cities like Chicago and New York and Boston.Forced bussing was a bad idea, but many of the most violent protests against it were in Democrat dominated Northern cities.
So the Klan did one good thing by supporting the rights of women to vote. What’s the big deal? Oh right, you are arguing against women having the right to vote. Is there anyone that you don’t hate?
Again Paul, your inability to correctly utilize the English language damages your credibility. Stop saying “Democrat Party.” Democrat is a noun, not an adjective. I suppose you probably say “woman lawyer” too.
DemocratIC PartyFemale Lawyer
DA,
My apologies. The story I read said the fine wasn’t collected due to the statute of limitations. I was not aware of the Bray decision. What is your defense for
Scott,Paul is simply copying the example of his hero, Newt Gingrich, who started the Democrat vs. Democratic description. The thinking was that calling someone a “democratic” representative made them sound like someone in favor of democracy. A subject/trait that Republicans clearly prevailed upon. [/sarcasm]
“A subject/trait upon which the Repulican party clearly prevailed.” [/sarcasm]
“We at Harvard do not end our sentences with prepositions. So, you should not ask “where is the library at?’ Care to try again?”
To which the Kansas student inquired: “Where’s the library at, asshole?”[sorry for recycling this old joke]
DougI dont think of myself as hateful.I dont hate you, I dont hate Democrats.My girlfriend is a well known Democrat.The late Jan Kennedy, former Democrat Sedwick County Treasurer, was a very good friend of mine.Doug, I have no difficulty getting along with those who do not agree with me.
Hey, you’re the one saying women shouldn’t have the right to vote or else their in league with the Klan. Your hatred is quite apparent, why not try being honest for once and admitting it?
Paul – you sort of answered one of my questions. How about the other – does the ACLU picket funerals like OR does?
“I have heard few liberals defend, for instance, the privacy rights of Rush Limbaugh when politically motivated prosecuters went after his medical records.”
I seem to recall ACLU questioning that action on behalf of Limbaugh.
Looks like you didn’t really answer my other question Paul – you just dodged it. As noted above, it WAS an OR person who shot Tiller.
Ben,The ACLU worked for Limbaugh. Probably the one time in his career he wasn’t bashing them.
“31 May 2004 In an interview with Time magazine, Rush Limbaugh declares himself a longtime fan of the ACLU after they filed an amicus brief on his behalf in his prescription drug case: ‘In a situation like this, I think it’s safe to say I welcome its support, and I don’t find it hypocritical at all, because I am not anti-ACLU. If the ACLU wants to go after, say, nativity scenes or this sort of thing, I may take issue, but there are other areas where I’ve supported things it has done.’”
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/
Paul – catch up!
ACLU defending Limbaugh = good!
ACLU criticizing nativity scences = bad!
Some constitutional rights worth defending, some not!