The meltdown of Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., is a message to incumbents of both parties — voters are fed up with the dismal status quo, especially on Iraq.
A new poll shows that a full 60 percent of Americans now oppose the war in Iraq; 61 percent believe that at least some troops should be withdrawn by the end of the year; another majority — 57 percent — supports a timetable for withdrawal.
And Democrats in Connecticut turned out in huge numbers Tuesday to dethrone a pol like Lieberman who clearly doesn’t get it. Lieberman’s stubborn decision to runrun as an independent in the fall campaign only underscores his smug cluelessness.
Here’s a money quote from a good article about Lieberman’s troubles that refutes the charge that he was unfairly punished for being bipartisan and putting America first on Iraq:
"The stance that, for a senator, politics ought to stop at the water’s edge makes sense if and only if the president isn’t playing politics with foreign policy," said William A. Galston of the Brookings Institution, who has often sided with Lieberman on intraparty battles but disagrees with him on the war.
"But this president and this administration manifestly have played politics with foreign policy, and their chief political adviser has been totally frank about that," he added. "I think it would have been permissible and even advisable for Joe Lieberman to conclude at some point that a bipartisan foreign policy has got to be a two-way street. He really didn’t."
Americans are ready for some opposition and accountability on the administration’s Iraq war strategy.
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“Saddam Hussein has continuing ties to terrorist organization.”
“The danger to our country is grave, the danger to our country is growing.”
“The Iraqi regime possesses chemical and biological weapons.”
“The Iraqi regime could launch a biolgical or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes.”
“We can’t wait for the final proof the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”
“I . . . I . . . I . . . think we’re going to find the truth and the truth will tell us he was developing weapons of mass destruction.”
“To those people who said we haven’t found the weapons of mass destruction, they were wrong. We found them. We found them.”
—George W. Bush
Slowly the sleeping giant wakes and rubs its drowsy eyes and says, the man is g******ed liar.
Bad language alert!
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
hee hee hee hee hee
The rude one is back with some rude comments on “goodbye joe” part one!
I love that guy, KFrmgrrl.
Thanks for the link and here’s a little taste–
Just ask Joe Lieberman. The man who preached compromise or capitulation to the Bush administration because Bush is gonna be president for the next couple of years, the man who never backed down from sayin’ that the Iraq War was hunky-dory, the man who attacked part of the base of his own party in order to set himself up for an independent run, that man lost not just because he blindly supports a war that the majority of the nation (and Connecticut) no longer supports. Joe Lieberman lost to Ned Lamont because he refused to admit that he was wrong. You could say that Joe was honorable and stuck to his guns and all that s**t, but at the end of the day, a politician must listen to the voters, or that politician will hear them on primary or election day. The best Lieberman could do was this in the desperate last days of his long climb to loserdom: “I think people are turning around and saying, ‘Hey, we were thinking of sending Joe a message [on Election Day], but I think he got the message, and we don’t want to lose him as our senator.’”
Lieberman lost because he was wrong, not because he was too principled or too “moderate” (whatever the **** that means) or too Jewy or too any-****in-thing else anyone wants to come up with before admitting the truth. Lierberman lost because he was wrong, not because the mighty power of Left Blogsylvania smeared him or because Ned Lamont used his fortune to challenge Lieberman. Hell, Lieberman spent most of his time on the campaign trail reeling like a drunk man hit in the head with a Budweiser bottle, swinging and lashing out at phantoms, trying to portray Ned Lamont, a white bread millionaire, as some kind of crazed Bohemian.
. . . .
Lieberman lost because he was wrong, on the war, on indecency, on torture, on Social Security, and more, more, more. He lost not because he said he was right, but because he tried to say that wrong was right.
Lieberman lost like so many others will, mostly Republican, because they hitched their wagons to George Bush’s star and that f****r went supernova.
// posted by Rude One @ 10:44 AM
The post from yesterday was even funnier!
Nobody even cares enough to keep talking about Joe.
Joe Who?
I don’t know.We must be on the wrong thread.
Time magazine thinks Leiberman’s defeat is a good thing for Republicans. It will definitely be used.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1224692,00.html
This from the Time article Outlander links:
“Gleeful Republicans across the country mocked their opponents as isolationist “Defeat-ocrats,” and even some Democratic officials said they can already imagine the ads in November races saying that Lieberman, once within a few hundred votes of being Vice President of the United States, is now “not liberal enough” for the Democratic Party.”
Can the Republicans really run and successfully hide from the mess that is the Iraqi war, with this strategy. I am thinking this is the most delusional form of wishful thinking I believe I have ever seen. They are going to have to come up with something a lot better than this.
LOL…
You know what I love about all this?
The democrats react to things by getting rid of anyone who is actually somewhat reasonable and not a goofball…
Those on the left actually think that getting rid of the moderates and becoming even more liberal is the key.
You are going to practically hand us the election.
I hope the Repub;icans do run on the war and the kiss. That will do for them what it did for Lieberman.
reasonable Nathan? Sorry, the majority of Americans think the goofballs are the ones who stick with this stupid war.
The Repubs have to hide from the war, but can that happen by attacking Conn. Dems for voting out Lieberman? Don’t see how that adds up — unless your thinking is pretty delusional. But with the current administration, who knows…
If the Democrats don’t hand you Republicans the election – you can always steal it again.
“Those on the left actually think that getting rid of the moderates and becoming even more liberal is the key.”
Paraphrasing Harry Truman:”If a voter gets to chose between a Republican and a Republican, he will vote for a Republican every time.”
RandyYOU are “clueless” —A Pro Iraq War Democrat looses in a Democrat PRIMARY, true, but this was in a Democrat State that hasn’t voted Republican for President in recent memory.The margin was extremely close.Also, there were some VERY anti semitic remarks make by the Lamont supporters in this race, Lieberman is Jewish.How come you only bash Mel Gibson for that kind of behavior?You have a very divided Democrat base in CT.This can’t be good for the Democrats going into November.The Eagle loves to point out divisions in the Republican Party, but when an obvious 50/50 split shows up in a small, blue state, democrat primary, it is supposed to mean that we change national policy??You are misreading your own polls. Look at the poll that asks “would you support withdrawal from Iraq if it meant the terrorists would take over Iraq?”
Your little lap dog Lieberman lost Paul get used to it. You have 3 months to prepare for the fall of the REST of the right!
JR,
Don’t count them chickens before they are hatched. The majority of demorats have to run opn and justify their pro-wetback amnesty nonsense and treason!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Looking at a little family history on Lamont, looks like he is a typical Red Diaper Baby that did not fall far from the nutroot family tree. His grandfather is old Curtis Lamont the communist head of the ACLU from ‘32-’54 and devout follower of Stalin, PolPot, Fidel etc. So with his millions likely the typical Limousine Leftists. Should be fitted for a KosKids tinfoil hat or have his own already.
mrbill is clearly a Michael Savage fan. This makes him a full on kook.
He’s got his own blog (so I guess he’s NOT a troll like me) but no links to Savage. Just Michelle Malkin and Instadpundit.
Do all you lefties spend your time listening to talk radio? I wouldn’t be able to stand it…I mean, if you don’t like it, how can you take it? It’d be like me listening to Air America, or NPR. At some point your head would explode.
And a surpisingly large number of you seem to be devout listeners of the Rev. Terry Fox. I could never stomach much of him, myself.
Uh huh
Hey “Jackstraw” my email is live. I have my doubts that “moonbathunter@rnc.com” (your email) is.
I clicked on “mrbill”’s email also and was redirected to a blog where mrbill talks to himself.
No, my e-mail isn’t ‘live’, but I have a little fun with it now and then. I’ve yet to see a compelling reason why a person should use an actual e-mail. I get quite enough bile and abuse from the moonbat crew here on this forum, and I don’t see why I should invite more of it to my mailbox.
I suppose I could put up an e-mail account I never look at, but what’s the point?
Okay, Jack.
We agree on nothing politically, but you’re right-on with your last post.
The whole idea of a public blog is that you come on and state your views publicly.
If I wanted to meet up with people or PM them, I would.
Why are all the regulars here obsessed with e-mails and meet ups and bound-and-determined to force their obsession on to the rest of us.
If you want live e-mails and real names and no nic switching, then tell the WEBlog people to require it.
Otherwise, please shut up about it.
It was a stupid move by the rich uber elite Democrats in that state that voted Ned in on a single issue of the war.
Although I suspect that Joe will win the general election, unless forced out by the angry far-left. We will see.
But! I’m actually hoping that Ned does win the General. He’s just going to be another rich do-nothing crappy Senator. He isn’t going to get any good committee assignments, he won’t even know how Congress is run, the learning curve will take at least a term, but he will just be a single term Senator, because the people in Conn. will know they made a serious mistake. But let them learn.
If you’re going to send a Democrat to Congress, at least make them a non-effective one! Ned hits the bullet on that one.
They forgot that Joe saved their bases this year. Watch them go bye-bye when Ned is in. LOL!
MrBill – any evidence that the elder Lamont was a follower of Pol Pot?
RR,A better idea is to just be careful about the information you reveal here. If you have a distinctive voice (like, um, some of the regulars), nic-switching serves no real purpose. It only throws off casual readers.
My e-mail has been live from day one. It’s not my primary account. I don’t see it as a requirement (Nathan’s e-mail is fake, but there’s no mistaking him!), but if you don’t want someone trolling on your name, it provides a handy way of verifying it’s really you (and without having to post your name, social security #, shoe size yada yada yada).
A link to one’s personal blog actually works pretty well for me. Unless we’re having lunch in Tucumcari, I don’t need to know who Jack Straw is (nor do I particularly care, either, BTW).
Evidence? Ben, they don’t need no stinking evidence!
RedRad: Thank you for commiserating. I don’t expect everyone here to ‘agree’ with me (it would be a very boring forum), but it’s nice to find a lefty that can be addressed without bringing along an exorcist.
In these days of privacy invasion and identity theft, I’ve got no problem if somebody doesn’t want to put their e-mail out there for the world to see. It’s a matter of personal preference. I’ve never posted here under any other name, and never will.
Joe Williams,”Although I suspect that Joe will win the general election, unless forced out by the angry far-left.”
Joe, your “angry far-left” is 60% of Americans, in the link at the top of this thread, http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060809/pl_nm/iraq_usa_poll_dc_3
Just how competent and principled is Lieberman?His campaign stupidly put their website on a dinky $15/month service that couldn’t handle the traffic — then falsely accused Lamont supporters of hacking it. Clueless?
Okay, I was following all the way there, Rage until this line–”but if you don’t want someone trolling on your name, it provides a handy way of verifying it’s really you.”
Except that someone can post over your e-mail address the same way they can post over your name or nic.
Since this blog requires absolutely no log-in, there is no handy way of verifying it is really you.
That’s the main problem with it, IMHO.
I wonder, Jack Straw, did you get your nic from the dude in Tony Blair’s cabinet.
Because there was a peasant rebellion against Richard II led by Jack Straw. Richard promised to meet their demands and when they disbanded, he had them hunted down and killed.
If you use TypePad, a password is required, and the sign-in names are unique.
No, though that name always made me chuckle. My nic is from the Grateful Dead song. Jerry died 11 years ago yesterday, BTW. R.I.P. ;)
The Grateful Dead . . . of course! I half most of their albums from the scratchy vinyl days, heh.
“Jack Straw from Wichita cut his buddy down,
And dug for him a shallow grave and laid his body down.”
Slate is another voice from the LEFT that agrees with ME, Dems are in long-term trouble:http://www.slate.com/id/2147395/nav/tap1/
I think Lieberman will win in the general election as an independent. Connecticut is majority independents and some democrats who are primary hounds may actually be turned off by the party and their behavior. Hopefully this independent candidate will become a norm for all elections from this point on. I would like a real choice when I go to vote in 2008.
correction: meant to say “not primary hounds”
Redrad, my point is that if you see a questionable post, you can send me an e-mail. I can check that e-mail, and the troll can’t.
It doesn’t stop them, but it can resolve any doubts. And, if need be, both a nic and an e-mail address can be changed quite easily. Getting another yahoo, mail.com etc account, involves trivial effort. And, header information aside (which only tracks the originating server, ahem), it’s just as anonymous (there are also anonymous remailers out there for the truly paranoid).
There are pros and cons to registration, IP logging etc. Whatever the approach, I come down on the side of a freewheeling forum, where people can easily post, and hopefully don’t take it–or themselves– too seriously. One example of the opposite extreme is Myspace.com, where you have to set up your own bullshit page to participate.
But at least MySpace is not censored (that I’ve noticed). And some have suggested that registration would be a handy way to ban people from the Blog. Very bad idea. I don’t want to give that much power to the Eagle staff, thank you (no offense, editors).
This place combines the immediacy of a chat room with the forethought of a blog, and I like it!
Just My Op
I’m not gonna shut up about it.It’s a left wing conspiracy called truth and honesty.I know you bushies don’t participate in this leftie movement, so I’ll keep touting it.And most of all you wouldn’t want any normal people to know who’s behind all the spin ya’ll put out.God forbid your neighbor might see your name and associate you with your actual views on life.Just a pet peeve, I was gonna get used to it tell ya’ said shut up.
Okay, I’m sorry.I been bad.At least keep the same nics so we know who we’re bloviating at.Ya get to thinking some people are schizo when the same nic posts opposite views.
Paul! Thinks for the link! That was a great article.
RedRad,’Since this blog requires absolutely no log-in, there is no handy way of verifying it is really you.
That’s the main problem with it, IMHO.’I doubt if you have anything that resembles a ‘humble opinion’You’re kind of a one trick pony no matter what name you post as. you outta start your own blog.
Gotta part company on that, Third-degree Burns (and who the hell are YOU?). RR can be rude, but when (s)he’s got it together, (s)he kills (metaphorically speaking).