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	<title>Comments on: Flag flap gets uglier</title>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68149</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY justme

I might be interested, ill have to see what happens between now and then with the business but i bet i could make it...

Do us a favor, keep us posted with your plans and maybe we can meet and car pool out there.

Post it up here or on the newest open thread...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY justme</p>
<p>I might be interested, ill have to see what happens between now and then with the business but i bet i could make it&#8230;</p>
<p>Do us a favor, keep us posted with your plans and maybe we can meet and car pool out there.</p>
<p>Post it up here or on the newest open thread&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,Whatever his outfit is, it&#039;s got to look better than that white sheet you wear!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,Whatever his outfit is, it&#8217;s got to look better than that white sheet you wear!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Santiago</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68147</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Santiago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Witt,

What exactly is the nature of your Stalinist &quot;equality&quot; outfit?

V.L.R.B!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Witt,</p>
<p>What exactly is the nature of your Stalinist &#8220;equality&#8221; outfit?</p>
<p>V.L.R.B!!</p>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68146</link>
		<dc:creator>justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I emailed the Knights, and offered my support.  They replied that on 8-27 the Phelps posse is coming to town (I&#039;m assuming they won&#039;t be there to hand out milk &amp; cookies).  Just thought I&#039;d pass that along, in case anyone wants to make a road trip out to Meade and support the hotel owners.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emailed the Knights, and offered my support.  They replied that on 8-27 the Phelps posse is coming to town (I&#8217;m assuming they won&#8217;t be there to hand out milk &amp; cookies).  Just thought I&#8217;d pass that along, in case anyone wants to make a road trip out to Meade and support the hotel owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68145</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farm Gal,&quot;Their &quot;california ways&quot;? heheheheh&quot;I&#039;ll believe it! I have a friend who came from small-town Kansas, went to KU and then spent three years in New York City. When she returned to her hometown and bought the local hotel, she was &quot;that scarlet woman from New York, and you know what she&#039;ll turn the hotel into!&quot; That was almost 40 years ago, and many people in that town haven&#039;t gotten over it yet!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farm Gal,&#8221;Their &#8220;california ways&#8221;? heheheheh&#8221;I&#8217;ll believe it! I have a friend who came from small-town Kansas, went to KU and then spent three years in New York City. When she returned to her hometown and bought the local hotel, she was &#8220;that scarlet woman from New York, and you know what she&#8217;ll turn the hotel into!&#8221; That was almost 40 years ago, and many people in that town haven&#8217;t gotten over it yet!</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68144</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Nathan, making constitutional amendments against a group of people in our society does constitute malicious intent. The fact that over 89% of self-professed Christians in Kansas took legal action against a group of people doesn&#039;t help your arguments that such an action was benign; nor does it give any credence that such an action was rational and not borne out of sheer prejudice towards homosexuals themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Nathan, making constitutional amendments against a group of people in our society does constitute malicious intent. The fact that over 89% of self-professed Christians in Kansas took legal action against a group of people doesn&#8217;t help your arguments that such an action was benign; nor does it give any credence that such an action was rational and not borne out of sheer prejudice towards homosexuals themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: TRACY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68143</link>
		<dc:creator>TRACY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some bigoted assholes, who&#039;s perspective is warped by the government sponsered drug--alcohol.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some bigoted assholes, who&#8217;s perspective is warped by the government sponsered drug&#8211;alcohol.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68142</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian jihad?

It was a brick thrown through a window...

When Christians start blowing up gays with bombs on a regular basis then you can call it a jihad.

It is called perspective KFG, you have none.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian jihad?</p>
<p>It was a brick thrown through a window&#8230;</p>
<p>When Christians start blowing up gays with bombs on a regular basis then you can call it a jihad.</p>
<p>It is called perspective KFG, you have none.</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68141</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Their &quot;california ways&quot;? heheheheh

Oh. I get it now.

Democracy and freedom of speech. Ya know, THOSE california ways.

Of course, the hillbilly snake handlers in Kansas couldnt get their pea brains around those &quot;california ways&quot;.

Behind the iron wheat curtain, we dont like change.

Right TM? rockl? gertie? ruby? LMNOP?

Why do the religious fanatics in kansas hate democracy?

Why do they hate america?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their &#8220;california ways&#8221;? heheheheh</p>
<p>Oh. I get it now.</p>
<p>Democracy and freedom of speech. Ya know, THOSE california ways.</p>
<p>Of course, the hillbilly snake handlers in Kansas couldnt get their pea brains around those &#8220;california ways&#8221;.</p>
<p>Behind the iron wheat curtain, we dont like change.</p>
<p>Right TM? rockl? gertie? ruby? LMNOP?</p>
<p>Why do the religious fanatics in kansas hate democracy?</p>
<p>Why do they hate america?</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68140</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blame the victim

Of course, it couldnt be the ignorant bastard hillbillies conducting a christian jiahd.

no. couldnt be.

they musta done it themselves.....

Sounds a little like the 9/11 conspiracy theories?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blame the victim</p>
<p>Of course, it couldnt be the ignorant bastard hillbillies conducting a christian jiahd.</p>
<p>no. couldnt be.</p>
<p>they musta done it themselves&#8230;..</p>
<p>Sounds a little like the 9/11 conspiracy theories?</p>
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		<title>By: outlander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68139</link>
		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They sure are getting a lot of publicity (translating to dollars)out of this. It couldn&#039;t have turned out better if they had planned it themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They sure are getting a lot of publicity (translating to dollars)out of this. It couldn&#8217;t have turned out better if they had planned it themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68138</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Eagle&#039;s star reporter, Deb Gruver, is covering the story in Meade.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15275899.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15275899.htm&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Eagle&#8217;s star reporter, Deb Gruver, is covering the story in Meade.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15275899.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15275899.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68137</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Nathan&#039;s god wears camo and hates gays.

See any patterns here?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Nathan&#8217;s god wears camo and hates gays.</p>
<p>See any patterns here?</p>
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		<title>By: TRACY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68136</link>
		<dc:creator>TRACY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed, I think Ian must know a different christ than we do.His christ is white and hates brown people.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed, I think Ian must know a different christ than we do.His christ is white and hates brown people.</p>
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		<title>By: TRACY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68135</link>
		<dc:creator>TRACY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Thomas, and thanks for the information.Yes, after a while these threads can and do disintegrate into he-said, she-said circular hate fests.Thanks for getting us back on point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Thomas, and thanks for the information.Yes, after a while these threads can and do disintegrate into he-said, she-said circular hate fests.Thanks for getting us back on point.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Witt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68134</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Witt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks,

This blog seems to have lost sight of the original issue:  That bricks bearing hate speech were thrown through a hotel/restaurant window.  This is not an issue of &quot;petty vandalism&quot; as some have said.  &quot;Petty vandalism&quot; was the cutting down of the original flag two weeks ago.  A small minority in Meade has now escalated a disagreement over peaceful free expression into actively committing a crime of hatred.

I spent most of Sunday in Meade, and I came away with the impression that many of the townspeople know who committed this crime.  It&#039;s now up to the good citizens of Meade to stand up against violence and intimidation, and turn the perpetrator(s) over to law enforcement.  Failing to act will only lead the criminals to believe that there will be no consequenses for their actions, and will embolden them to commit ever-more serious crimes.

The issue is clear:  Violent acts are being perpetrated against people whose only offense is their exercies of their First Amendment rights.  No matter what your political affiliation or religious beliefs, if you count yourself as a loyal American, you must agree there is no place in our society for this type of behavior.  And you must speak out.

Thomas WittChair, Kansas Equality Coalition
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks,</p>
<p>This blog seems to have lost sight of the original issue:  That bricks bearing hate speech were thrown through a hotel/restaurant window.  This is not an issue of &#8220;petty vandalism&#8221; as some have said.  &#8220;Petty vandalism&#8221; was the cutting down of the original flag two weeks ago.  A small minority in Meade has now escalated a disagreement over peaceful free expression into actively committing a crime of hatred.</p>
<p>I spent most of Sunday in Meade, and I came away with the impression that many of the townspeople know who committed this crime.  It&#8217;s now up to the good citizens of Meade to stand up against violence and intimidation, and turn the perpetrator(s) over to law enforcement.  Failing to act will only lead the criminals to believe that there will be no consequenses for their actions, and will embolden them to commit ever-more serious crimes.</p>
<p>The issue is clear:  Violent acts are being perpetrated against people whose only offense is their exercies of their First Amendment rights.  No matter what your political affiliation or religious beliefs, if you count yourself as a loyal American, you must agree there is no place in our society for this type of behavior.  And you must speak out.</p>
<p>Thomas WittChair, Kansas Equality Coalition</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,&quot;I am a devout Christian and I can tell you that vadalism and assault are not Christian acts.&quot;

Oh, but propagating racist hatred is? Not much of a leap from that to vandalism and assault.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,&#8221;I am a devout Christian and I can tell you that vadalism and assault are not Christian acts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, but propagating racist hatred is? Not much of a leap from that to vandalism and assault.</p>
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		<title>By: XXX</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68132</link>
		<dc:creator>XXX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rage,You&#039;ve obviously lost your marbles.

&quot;For instance, since when does the word &quot;right&quot; not mean &quot;right&quot;? Particularly when it&#039;s consistent with everything I&#039;d said up to this point.&quot;

I don&#039;t know. Maybe when &quot;right&quot; is used as a snotty self-serving remark?

&quot;The fact is, unless you were going off on JR&#039;s one post, I was the the only self-proclaimed atheist on this thread (&quot;American Atheist party?&quot;).&quot;

The &quot;fact&quot; is, until just now, I didn&#039;t know what your religious beliefs were. You don&#039;t seem to have much of a grasp of the &quot;facts&quot;, do you?

&quot;The only person to even mention politics was Ian&quot;

Wrong again. I mentioned politics.

&quot;If you were not gratuitously attacking atheists (and OF COURSE you weren&#039;t--right?), the Jews that Ian mentioned seemed a plausible alternative explanation for your impromptu political statement (Now, THAT was sarcasm!: Learn the difference!)&quot;

I don&#039;t &quot;gratuitously&quot; attack anybody. When I attack, it&#039;s a full frontal assault. That was NOT sarcasm. Sometimes a suggestion is just a suggestion. Learn the difference? Don&#039;t you lecture me, boy.

&quot;At no time did I attack Christians as a group, not even conservative Christians per se.&quot;

Ok smart guy, show me where I ever said you attacked Christians. Believe it or not, you weren&#039;t even a consideration. As I said, untill now, I didn&#039;t know what your beliefs are.

&quot;(and which, I would guess, you also dismissed as sarcasm, ignoring everything else I said).&quot;

I didn&#039;t pay that much attention. I wasn&#039;t expecting to be attacked by you.

You need to get a grip. I assure you that you&#039;ve totally missed my point. It&#039;s really not all about you.

Since you don&#039;t seem to comprehend what this is about, this discussion is over.

You&#039;ve attacked me without reason 3 times now on this thread. If you value the peace, I wouldn&#039;t suggest a fourth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rage,You&#8217;ve obviously lost your marbles.</p>
<p>&#8220;For instance, since when does the word &#8220;right&#8221; not mean &#8220;right&#8221;? Particularly when it&#8217;s consistent with everything I&#8217;d said up to this point.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. Maybe when &#8220;right&#8221; is used as a snotty self-serving remark?</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact is, unless you were going off on JR&#8217;s one post, I was the the only self-proclaimed atheist on this thread (&#8221;American Atheist party?&#8221;).&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;fact&#8221; is, until just now, I didn&#8217;t know what your religious beliefs were. You don&#8217;t seem to have much of a grasp of the &#8220;facts&#8221;, do you?</p>
<p>&#8220;The only person to even mention politics was Ian&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong again. I mentioned politics.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you were not gratuitously attacking atheists (and OF COURSE you weren&#8217;t&#8211;right?), the Jews that Ian mentioned seemed a plausible alternative explanation for your impromptu political statement (Now, THAT was sarcasm!: Learn the difference!)&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t &#8220;gratuitously&#8221; attack anybody. When I attack, it&#8217;s a full frontal assault. That was NOT sarcasm. Sometimes a suggestion is just a suggestion. Learn the difference? Don&#8217;t you lecture me, boy.</p>
<p>&#8220;At no time did I attack Christians as a group, not even conservative Christians per se.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok smart guy, show me where I ever said you attacked Christians. Believe it or not, you weren&#8217;t even a consideration. As I said, untill now, I didn&#8217;t know what your beliefs are.</p>
<p>&#8220;(and which, I would guess, you also dismissed as sarcasm, ignoring everything else I said).&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t pay that much attention. I wasn&#8217;t expecting to be attacked by you.</p>
<p>You need to get a grip. I assure you that you&#8217;ve totally missed my point. It&#8217;s really not all about you.</p>
<p>Since you don&#8217;t seem to comprehend what this is about, this discussion is over.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve attacked me without reason 3 times now on this thread. If you value the peace, I wouldn&#8217;t suggest a fourth.</p>
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		<title>By: Roscoe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68131</link>
		<dc:creator>Roscoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has all the earmarks of another &quot;Professor Mireki Incident&quot;.
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68130</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KFG does have a sound argument. If we really cared about the sanctity of marriage then why didn&#039;t we deal with divorce, since that has tangible ramifications on married couples and their families. To make a constitutional amendment based on a bias of sexual orientation smacks of discrimination. To keep one&#039;s true motives in the shadows while parading around as champions of righteousness is not the way of the Lord our God. Perhaps those who signed such legislation should reevaluate the reasons by which they did so before they start making other laws by which other groups in society ought to follow? If we can not be honest with ourselves and use bias as a framework for denying something so fundamentally important to a group of people such as marriage, then we are the most wretched of characters. So finally, can anyone find a valid reason why homosexuals shouldn&#039;t marry without postulating an unlikely future hypothesis such as &quot;homosexual marriages will endanger heterosexual marriages&quot; or &quot;homosexual marriages will make homosexual children&quot;? Because I&#039;ve looked at almost every Christian website and I&#039;ve thought about it  for quite a long time, and honestly, I can&#039;t find a reason not to other than the fact that the Bible says that homosexual acts are sins. But are we replacing the Constitution with the Bible? One of the things I admire about America and Americans is our uncanny ability to  produce a pluralistic society which includes peoples so diverse yet are able to coexist in close proximity with each other in peace and harmony. We are all able to practice our religions or lack thereof without the interference of a bias state which caters to one specific religious belief system. If this balance is to be preserved, then we must not turn our country into a mock-theocracy which would be nothing more than a dictatorship.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KFG does have a sound argument. If we really cared about the sanctity of marriage then why didn&#8217;t we deal with divorce, since that has tangible ramifications on married couples and their families. To make a constitutional amendment based on a bias of sexual orientation smacks of discrimination. To keep one&#8217;s true motives in the shadows while parading around as champions of righteousness is not the way of the Lord our God. Perhaps those who signed such legislation should reevaluate the reasons by which they did so before they start making other laws by which other groups in society ought to follow? If we can not be honest with ourselves and use bias as a framework for denying something so fundamentally important to a group of people such as marriage, then we are the most wretched of characters. So finally, can anyone find a valid reason why homosexuals shouldn&#8217;t marry without postulating an unlikely future hypothesis such as &#8220;homosexual marriages will endanger heterosexual marriages&#8221; or &#8220;homosexual marriages will make homosexual children&#8221;? Because I&#8217;ve looked at almost every Christian website and I&#8217;ve thought about it  for quite a long time, and honestly, I can&#8217;t find a reason not to other than the fact that the Bible says that homosexual acts are sins. But are we replacing the Constitution with the Bible? One of the things I admire about America and Americans is our uncanny ability to  produce a pluralistic society which includes peoples so diverse yet are able to coexist in close proximity with each other in peace and harmony. We are all able to practice our religions or lack thereof without the interference of a bias state which caters to one specific religious belief system. If this balance is to be preserved, then we must not turn our country into a mock-theocracy which would be nothing more than a dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Rage</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68129</link>
		<dc:creator>Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X,The fact is you misinterpreted pretty much every statement I made. I&#039;m not surprised, then, that it didn&#039;t make sense to you.

For instance, since when does the word &quot;right&quot; not mean &quot;right&quot;? Particularly when it&#039;s consistent with everything I&#039;d said up to this point.The fact is, unless you were going off on JR&#039;s one post, I was the the only self-proclaimed atheist on this thread (&quot;American Atheist party?&quot;). Unlike your anger about statements directed against SOME Christians--however harsh and perhaps over-the-top as they were--it was hard not to take that one personally. I&#039;m not sure why you saw an Atheist Conspiracy lurking in the text, but it&#039;s not my problem.

The only person to even mention politics was Ian, and he of course mentioned the Jews. If you were not gratuitously attacking atheists (and OF COURSE you weren&#039;t--right?), the Jews that Ian mentioned seemed a plausible alternative explanation for your impromptu political statement (Now, THAT was sarcasm!: Learn the difference!)

Incidently, I wasn&#039;t dogging Ian either. He&#039;s sounding more reasonable than you.

At no time did I attack Christians as a group, not even conservative Christians per se. There were some ill-advised statements about the good people of Meade, which I acknowledged (and which, I would guess, you also dismissed as sarcasm,   ignoring everything else I said).

Having said that, I must say, I was also surprised that Jed seemed unaware of your own views on Christianity. To the extent that others might make that mistake, you have a point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X,The fact is you misinterpreted pretty much every statement I made. I&#8217;m not surprised, then, that it didn&#8217;t make sense to you.</p>
<p>For instance, since when does the word &#8220;right&#8221; not mean &#8220;right&#8221;? Particularly when it&#8217;s consistent with everything I&#8217;d said up to this point.The fact is, unless you were going off on JR&#8217;s one post, I was the the only self-proclaimed atheist on this thread (&#8221;American Atheist party?&#8221;). Unlike your anger about statements directed against SOME Christians&#8211;however harsh and perhaps over-the-top as they were&#8211;it was hard not to take that one personally. I&#8217;m not sure why you saw an Atheist Conspiracy lurking in the text, but it&#8217;s not my problem.</p>
<p>The only person to even mention politics was Ian, and he of course mentioned the Jews. If you were not gratuitously attacking atheists (and OF COURSE you weren&#8217;t&#8211;right?), the Jews that Ian mentioned seemed a plausible alternative explanation for your impromptu political statement (Now, THAT was sarcasm!: Learn the difference!)</p>
<p>Incidently, I wasn&#8217;t dogging Ian either. He&#8217;s sounding more reasonable than you.</p>
<p>At no time did I attack Christians as a group, not even conservative Christians per se. There were some ill-advised statements about the good people of Meade, which I acknowledged (and which, I would guess, you also dismissed as sarcasm,   ignoring everything else I said).</p>
<p>Having said that, I must say, I was also surprised that Jed seemed unaware of your own views on Christianity. To the extent that others might make that mistake, you have a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68128</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed,I never voted for any hate ammendment. I can indeed empathize and identify with people getting singled out and discriminated against because of something as superficial as their sexual orientation. Propagating fear and intimidation through illicit acts of violence are not actions which I condone. If I lived in Meade, I would definitely assist in the apprehension and prosecution of the perpetrators within the full extent of the law.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed,I never voted for any hate ammendment. I can indeed empathize and identify with people getting singled out and discriminated against because of something as superficial as their sexual orientation. Propagating fear and intimidation through illicit acts of violence are not actions which I condone. If I lived in Meade, I would definitely assist in the apprehension and prosecution of the perpetrators within the full extent of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: XXX</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68127</link>
		<dc:creator>XXX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the character reference Ian.

(I&#039;ll probably get beat up for that, too, lol!)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the character reference Ian.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll probably get beat up for that, too, lol!)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Santiago</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68126</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Santiago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed/Rage,

I am a devout Christian and I can tell you that vadalism and assault are not Christian acts. Some of you made a leap in logic and assumed that fundamentalist christians were somehow involved.

I fell that &quot;Marriage&quot; should be between a man and a woman but homosexuals should certainly have legal rights such as being able to will property and hospital visitation and such. I can tell you with certainty that if I were witness to a gay-bashing, I would intervene to help the person being assualted. And, I am sure that Nathan, XXX, CrusaderWill and the vast, vast majority of Christians would do the same!

V.L.R.B!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed/Rage,</p>
<p>I am a devout Christian and I can tell you that vadalism and assault are not Christian acts. Some of you made a leap in logic and assumed that fundamentalist christians were somehow involved.</p>
<p>I fell that &#8220;Marriage&#8221; should be between a man and a woman but homosexuals should certainly have legal rights such as being able to will property and hospital visitation and such. I can tell you with certainty that if I were witness to a gay-bashing, I would intervene to help the person being assualted. And, I am sure that Nathan, XXX, CrusaderWill and the vast, vast majority of Christians would do the same!</p>
<p>V.L.R.B!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/flag_flap_gets_/#comment-68125</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X,Again, My apologies.I guess My main problem is resolving the shortcomings christians admit with the charges within the christian community over who is a &quot;true christian&quot; and who isn&#039;t, and the statements by so many christians that their path is the only true one.I have always sought my own path, and had marvelous adventures doing so. I have met and come to know so many people I would never have encountered on anyone else&#039;s &quot;true path,&quot; and experiences I would have been told to avoid, that have meant so much to me.I&#039;m not a follower, and I have no desire to be a leader. The questions I seek answers to are strictly my own, and the answers I&#039;ve found probably wouldn&#039;t interest anyone else. My apologies to those who must justify their beliefs by the number of followers they attract.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X,Again, My apologies.I guess My main problem is resolving the shortcomings christians admit with the charges within the christian community over who is a &#8220;true christian&#8221; and who isn&#8217;t, and the statements by so many christians that their path is the only true one.I have always sought my own path, and had marvelous adventures doing so. I have met and come to know so many people I would never have encountered on anyone else&#8217;s &#8220;true path,&#8221; and experiences I would have been told to avoid, that have meant so much to me.I&#8217;m not a follower, and I have no desire to be a leader. The questions I seek answers to are strictly my own, and the answers I&#8217;ve found probably wouldn&#8217;t interest anyone else. My apologies to those who must justify their beliefs by the number of followers they attract.</p>
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