There is a disturbing difference between the global responses to two conflicts, New York Times columnist Nicholas D. Kristof noted. Israel’s monthlong bombardment of Lebanon has killed hundreds and could lead to 20,000 international peacekeepers. But "three years ago," he wrote, "Sudan began a genocide against African tribes in its Darfur region. That war has killed hundreds of thousands of people, and it is now spreading. There is talk of U.N. peacekeepers someday, but none are anywhere in sight. The moral of the story? Never, ever be born to a tribe that is victim to genocide in Africa."
As for the Arab world, Kristof wrote, "I sympathize with their horror at what is happening in Lebanon, but I wish they were just as outraged when Muslims slaughter Muslims in Darfur."
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If life was truly that precious, the pro-lifers would be advocating saving these, already born lives, as much as they do for the unborn…
Yes, Tony. It’s ironic that we bullied our way into Iraq because of a murdering dictator, yet we allow Darfur and others to continue.
The Neo-Cons are not worried about Darfur – they are wanting their battle of all battles in the Middle East. That’s what is driving this insane thiking in the Bush Administration.
Religion of Peace!!!Religion of Peace!!!gwahahahahaha!!!
Because the Arabs, Chinese and the West share one thing in common: they don’t believe Africans are fully human. But let’s be fair, unlike Iraq this one isn’t Bush’s fault: he didn’t create the situation in Darfur and he’s not the one stopping the U.N. from acting (if anything just the reverse).
Is this not one of Senator Brownback’s causes that liberals have pooh poohed as insincere politics? Make up your mind. Are you with Senator Brownback or against him on this?
Hey, is it our problem that these people have the bad luck to get massacred in a place with no oil?
(heavy sarcasm)
Why is it that the same third worlders who whine about imperialism and coloinalism are the fisrt to call for Whites to save them from themselves?
V.L.R.B!!!
Yeah, where is the Arab League delegation storming the UN demanding action over Darfur? Rhonda got it wrong — Darfur would be an issue if Americans or Israeli soldiers were the ones killing innocents. Then the Arab League would be screaming. When Arabs are the killers, they can declare open season on their fellow citizens and the Arab League won’t even bother to schedule a meeting.
It’s kind of disgusting reading the posts on this thread. That and a little disappointing there seems to be such hatred of all the people the posters THINK should be doing something, or not doing anything for that matter.
For all you christian haters, look at who’s over in Dufar. You will find relief organizations from most of the primary religions over there doing what they can to stop the killings and help whoever they can.
The comment about Brownback was way off base: not all liberals are as closed mind as you think. While I don’t agree with Brownbacks agenda concerning religion and politics, I agree with him 100% on his stance that we should be doing everything we can to stop the slaughter. On that, he has been a shining star, and taken hits from morons who only see the overtones they want. Closed minds indeed.
And while Ian pulls the “third worlders who whine about imperialism and coloinalism are the fisrt to call for Whites to save them from themselves?” shtick, he would be better served by knowing what he is talking about in terms of who is trying to dominate whom. Figure that one out, Ian, and you’re half way back to Cuba.
The bottom line is how many of you have done anything to help the people of Dufar, other than bitch and moan about the people who, in all likely hood, are doing something about it. I’m outta this thread.
“I’m outta this thread”
J M I share your frustration but I fail to see how bailing on the thread improves it or the problem it means to address.
Maybe Brownback cares about this problem as he says he does, maybe not. I’m prepared to afford that his concern is honest, but it’s a pretty safe bet the Darfur crisis would not be on the top of his to do list. I’ll go further and suggest that the Darfur matter would not get the attention it deserves from me, J M, Rhonda, any poster on this thread now or after this, or any politician of any party I could name if we were asked each our own “job one”.
Sad isn’t it. It’s also all to easy. And quite honestly I really don’t know WHAT can be done.
Didn’t Christ say “That you do to the least you do to me?” Those are good words.
Sitting in the comfort of air conditioning with all the conveniences of the modern world within arms reach it is probably difficult to know the thoughts and lot of those who suffer so. Just thinking about it brings tears to my eyes. It makes me fell a profound sense of grief and shame. I’m a brawler not a bawler. For this thread at least though, I will not attack anyone who cares enough to post here.
How about this.
We have good researchers here. IS there a way to make a difference? Are their efforts to boycott or otherwise register world indignation with the offending party or country? Is there a way to reach the persecuted to at least give them some hope that we are trying?
Just for this thread and this topic, let us try to work together. Whatever grievances we individually have they must seem terrible irrelevant to those who truly suffer.
I ask those who wish for us to do something about Darfur- what is it we should do? I’m not trying to be a smart ass, I just want to know what you think we should do. If you say pressure the UN to act don’t waste your breath. WTF do you think we should do?
In order to “help” in Darfur, the US Military will have to take sides in a civil war.The United States will have to kill primitive tribesmen.I support military action in Darfur, and my support will remain, even as the US bodycount goes up, and even as the Media show us pictures of dead Africans.You liberals are all talk, and you have no staying power.How many years will our forces have to remain in Darfur after we send them there?
Two reasons; they’re black, and have no big oil reserves. Therefore they are on their own.
Two reasons; they’re black, and have no big oil reserves. Therefore they are on their own.
How many soldier’s lives would you be willing to sacrifice for Darfur, steve?
My answer to that question is the same as Iraq. Zero.
More info on the conflict there is needed. What is the source of the conflict? As I understand it, the warring factions are lightly and poorly armed……not much a match for US or other modern nation military power. I should think casualties would be light.
We managed to fairly efficiently end a bloodbath in the former Yugoslavia. There were few casualties there.
Steve may be right about these people being the wrong color though.
Remember how Clinton pulled us out of Somalia when our troops were killed and dragged behind vehicles?Urban warfare is always a nasty thing.If America has the will to win, of course we will win.However, in urban warfare, even a poorly trained, poorly equiped rag tag mob can kill US troops in high enough numbers to make many here at home go spineless.
Actually, Paul, all that is needed from the US is air and logistical support. The AU can provide “boots on the ground”
BenI am willing to give your idea a try, actually.I am just curious why all the Moslem voices denouncing Israel and the West arent very concerned about this?Actually, that is a rhetorical question.The same as asking why Farakahn and Jackson and Sharpton dont seem to care.When true victims dont seem to matter, it makes me think that many of the “human rights” activists are only interested in bashing the West.You really cant blame the West for Africa’s problems, so there is no attention given to Africa.—-Of course, we will never receive ANY thanks from the world for our assistance, if we do step in.How many Moslem leaders thanked us for our help in the former Yugoslavia?
JM,
Please, answer some question for me. How long do we stay in Sudan? If we leave after a year or 2 they will just start killing each other again.
Also, why stop in Sudan? Why not go back into Somalia because those negros are killing each other ,AGAIN, and now the ethiopians have invaded? What about zimbabwe? Negroes in afica have been slaughtering each other before we Whites had the misfortune of discovering that filthy contintent and they will kill each other until Christ’s return!
If yellowback wants to be great White massa to wetbacks and blacks then let him renounce his US citizenship and bug off! We should not intervene ANYWHERE unless our national interest is at stake and we must stop accepting third world refugees, asylum seekers and immigrants, period!
V.L.R.B!!
Ian Santiago,Shame on you! People are getting massacred and you’re making a big joke of it all! Just because none of your kids and no one you know are getting butchered you wash your hands like it isn’t your problem. Do you expect us to pull a Pontious Pilate just because we are not directly affected by what goes on in Africa? Oh, but if it were black people killing white South Africans you’d be ranting on one of your reactionary tirades; pleading for humanity to intervene and stop the killing while breathing fury and vowing vengeance. Is it your disbelief in the Jewish holocaust which blinds you from the monstrous capabilities of human nature? Well there is nothing glorious about war, nothing beautiful, nothing poetic! Failure to act when the situation beckons is a sin of omission. If we do nothing while these people slaughter each other then their blood will be on our heads. We have the capability, we have the resources, everything we need God has given us in abundance to protect the people of Darfur yet you would have us do nothing because you prioritize American wealth over human life! I must congratulate you for you have become that which you hate the most. You are worse than any covetous Jew.
The sad thing is that there seem to be only two people in the US government who have any sort of handle – Sam Brownback and Barack Obama. Brownback has been trying to get something done for some time now.