An Eagle news brief Tuesday put it mildly when it reported that Operation Rescue expressed its displeasure that a Sedgwick County grand jury found no criminal conduct related to a woman who died after receiving an abortion. The anti-abortion group issued a statement blaming the lack of an indictment on “corruption and cronyism at the local and state level,” citing Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston and Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.
How much money was wasted convening a grand jury to confirm what a Kansas Board of Healing Arts investigation already determined? But, of course, Operation Rescue thinks the Board of Healing Arts is corrupt, too.
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They will try again. Just like Operation Southwind and their crusade against pr0n shops. The Grand Jury didn’t amount to anything, so they just petition for another one. And they will keep on going.
They don’t care about taxpayers money.
Well, it’s no big surprise, since Operation “Rescue” is just another nutjob group out to push its agenda on everyone else.
Are they going to blame “activist” grand jury now? Why don’t they just go out and “rescue” babies that are really in need, case in point, the two girls forced to starvation point. That may actually help taxpayers by relieving the overburdened SRS.
WHY AREN’T THEY GOING AFTER FERTILITY CLINICS WHERE THOUSANDS OF PRECIOUS LITTLE SNOWFLAKE BABIES ARE BEING MURDERED DAILY?Quick, somebody call operation rescue and ask them.
I wonder how many babies could have been saved if the money squandered on this had been directed toward birth/adoption clinics and homes.
You know Ben. That is the point I make towards the whole aborition issue.
If you’re anit-aborition, that’s fine, but you’re not going to rid it in our society. I ask them to try another tatic. How about counciling programs for expected mothers who want to give up their babies. How about providing resources for teen mothers or other mothers with free childcare, help with food, diapers and formula, scholarship programs for teenage mothers, and parenting classes and etc.
Why try to ban it. Provide an alternative that helps mothers choose life. The biggest reason why they choose aborition is because of financial and other hardship reasons that comes with childrearing. Help them out. Provide the resources.
I honestly think that some people in Operation Rescue don’t want the government to fully ban aborition. What will they do? The thousands of paid employees, the multi-million dollar organization. There’s a lot of money to be made in advocacy.
I’m with you Ben. If you really cared, go another route. Don’t blame and point fingers at the government and call them evil.
correction
If [they] really cared,…
Didn’t mean [you] or applying it towards you Ben. ;)
There are too many people who are making money in the Operation Rescue organization. These people will never give up. After all, these Neo-Cons need constant hammering to keep those dollars coming in!
Because the things you list, help with food, school, health care ect. is called welfare. Usually when conservatives rail against the spectre of big government they mostly only want welfare eliminated. With no assistance, that only leads to more abortions
I’m with you guys, Joe, Ben, etc…
It is ridiculous to think that we can just ban abortion tomorrow and have everything come out alright.
Like i posted in an earlier posting, the adoption, SRS and welfare systems are bulging at the seams. A few months ago there was a meeting here in Wichita between Red Cross, United Way, Salvation Army, St. Anthony’s Shelter, Harbor House, and many other both faith based and non-faith based organizations. That meeting was to address the growing number of single mothers with no place to go and the ever increasing number of children being put up for adoption.
Children being put up from adoption are being sent as far away as OKC and Liberal and Missouri so that they can find homes. All of the organizations that were involved said that the system cant take any more… If we ban abortion tomorrow, what will happen to the influx of new, unwanted children into an already overburdened system?
I agree with Joe’s comments, we need to slowly start offering an alternative. Those with the money and means to sponsor more children, sponsor alternatives like assistance in food, rent, etc… (don’t get me started on a nation wide health care plan…)
Dingus said it best… “Usually when conservatives rail against the spectre of big government they mostly only want welfare eliminated.” This is entirely true…
Next time you see an abortion protester, ask them what is to be done with all of those unwanted children if they are born? Ask them where they are to go? Who will support them?
“If we ban abortion tomorrow, what will happen to the influx of new, unwanted children into an already overburdened system?”
Tony: As an adoptive father, I hope that we are able to continue to expand the base of people willing to adopt.
But should current system capacity be a factor in deciding whether a child gets a shot at life?
“Children being put up from adoption are being sent as far away as OKC and Liberal and Missouri so that they can find homes. All of the organizations that were involved said that the system cant take any more… If we ban abortion tomorrow, what will happen to the influx of new, unwanted children into an already overburdened system?”
And still, folks like susan wagle and bonbon huy think foster care or adoption into the home of a loving GAY couple is WORSE for the kid.
No laughing on this post! We get the government we deserve.
Sorry KSFarmGrrl… I cant help but laugh…
Outlander, than what do you propose we do with the unwanted children that are born with no place to go?
Do you support raising taxes so that the government can build large group homes to than house, feed and educate these children?
Would you yourself, adopt more children?
Tony: Are you implying that; all other factors equal, you would rather see a child aborted than to see your taxes go to pay for foster care or a group home?
If so, IMHO that does not say much for your opinion of the value of human life.
Out,”But should current system capacity be a factor in deciding whether a child gets a shot at life?”It will be, whether we want it to or not. If we don’t take care of it, nature will. Do you prefer war, famine or pestilence?
So outlander, you would rather they be born and then tossed in the garbage? That is what you are implying.
If so, IMHO that does not say much for your opinion of the value of human life.
Better not to be born at all? Never given a chance to succeed against the odds? I find that opinion shocking and arrogant. You are putting yourself into the position of judge as to what kind of life is worth living. You may be a smart fella Ben, but you aren’t that smart.
Some of our most important and influential leaders survived difficult childhoods and it was their struggles that helped make them what they became.
So, outlander, starvation is OK in your view. Kind of arrogant aren’t you? And shocking too!
How about we focus on addressing the root causes and eliminate the demand for abortion? I submit that will be much more successful than picketing and grand juries. We have tried those to no avail.
So do all you anti-abortion people think it’s all so simple that a woman simply walks into an abortion facility and it’s a done deal?
I have a friend who had an abortion years ago and was counseled for two solid days prior to the procedure. This particular case was a health issue, and I won’t go into it, but if you think an abortion is decided on a whim, think again.
The same is true of adoption. Either must be a truly difficult decision.
I’m adopted. I know many who have relinquished their children for adoption. Nothing is easy.
I think I should circulate a petition to investigate operation rescue. I hear they are a terrorist organization.
Good point morg – after all, they did shoot Tiller. While we are at it how about a Grand Jury to investigate the tax-exempt status of their backers?
Can we send the bill for this wasteful investigation and trial to Operation Rescue?
I won’t comment on the objectivity of the grand jury, but corruption & cronyism does limit the ability of the the board of healing arts to investigate doctors. It’s human nature to cover up for colleagues. Similar problems exist at the Commission on Judicial Qualifications where the investigative & prosecution fucntions are subject to cronyism and bias. I suggest that judges, attorneys, doctors & mental health professonals are investigated by prosecutors in an non-political special investigative unit of the State attorney general’s office which would also serve as the prosecutor to discipline the doctor, judge, attorney or mental health prfoessonal before their repsective ethics grievance committee. The AG’s office should also keep track of statistics and complaints.
J Rs position on abortion 39th edition CONDENSED.
Abortion is never going away. You cannot force a woman to gestate. The Repbulican party has a vested interest in keeping it forever a political football. This while they slash welfare and other programs that aid gestating mothers and BORN children. Anti abortion efforts should attack in THAT direction.
…and the democrats continue to enable abortions!
Abortion is the untimate act of selfishness.
Addition to JR’s position:Abortion isn’t going away because it never has. No matter how draconian the laws have gotten, it’s always been available, and always will be, as long as there’s a need for it. the only way to lessen it is to lessen the demand.
Ps. I’ve run into Troy Newman of Operation Rescue; whatever you do, don’t buy a used car from this man!
NoJo, voting republican is the ultimate act of selfishness.
We have a labor shortage in this country, and it will get worse as the boomers retire.Again I suggest Harry Dent’s books here, he is an economist and NEVER mentions abortion.—-Also, I do get hammered by my friends in the pro life movement when I try to tell them that overturning Roe will not make Abortion illegal and that I do believe abortion is a “states rights” issue.Roe was horrible as law.Even Lawrence Tribe, a very liberal lawyer, agrees that Roe is bad law.Kansas abortion law is more “liberal” than the law in New York. Most of this is because the hard core American Life Lobby and its local affiliates dont want to concentrate on the politically popular laws that New York has on the books.We could ban late term abortion in Kansas but Tiller is actually saved by the “save all the babies” hard-core prolife bunch.I love ‘em, but the “no compromise” crowd does irritate me.Baby boomers are the most selfish generation ever. We will be less favorable towards abortion as the boomers leave the child bearing years and start worrying about who will pay for social security and medicare.The public opinion polls NOW are in favor of parental consent, but the hard core only want parental notice. “no parent should consent” they say.Public opinion polls now favor bans on late term abortion, but the hard core only want laws that “save all the babies.”I mean no ill will towards anyone with this post, but federal control over abortion laws will come to an end.This will either happen from the Supreme Court overturning Roe, or it will happen because Congress will, by simple majority, remove the Federal Court jurisdiction over the matter under Article III.The extremes on BOTH sides will not be happy with the popular outcome.
…and the democrats continue to enable abortions!
Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness.
and your point is? Isn’t my right (since i survived and my parents didn’t kill me) to live the best life i can have? yes, its selfishness but guess what! Its My Right!
I dont want to pay for all of these unwanted babies. these pro-lifers say its about life and how precious life is, well guess what, i hate to break it to you, life is that precious.
Every years thousands of people die each year at the hand of some moronic leader in the name of religion or race or what ever suites his whims. Do we wine there? most of the time, not.
Every year, thousands die of starvation all over the world, INCLUDING THE USA, do we wine there? NO.
If life is so dam valuable to you flipping right wing, anti-abortion nuts than you had also better start tithing every cent of your paycheck to pay for the hungry and vote for a president that doesn’t illegally invade countries and try to start world wars!
If you value life, why not start there than taking away our GOD GIVEN RIGHT to have an abortion. It is my family and what happens within my family is between myself, my family and my god. NOT YOU! If i choose to kill my parents because they have become a burden, than i will. If my family chooses to have an abortion because we can not afford or are not stable enough to have another child, THAN THATS OUR RIGHT. The only time i would say that the outside has a right to interject is if i am truly abusing my living children that made it past conception.
I’m sick and flipping tired of the these so called life groups forcing their opinion on me. I hope some day they walk in front of my car so that i may show them how precious life is!
This is for all of the protesters who stand along the street…
http://www.killsometime.com/video/Files-1952196/Satan-Sign.wmv
;-)
Since 2000 the Republicans have been in the majority in D.C. They have not attempted to outlaw abortion, nor would they ever want to. The only way they can convince people to support the Republican party, who is more concerned with giving Paris Hilton another tax cut, is that they actually oppose abortion.
Troy Newman of Operation Rescue West has become a very rich man because of the abortion issue. Since moving the Wichita he’s made over a half a million dollars promoting himself and the idea that he’ll stop Dr. Tiller. If he is actually successful that means he’ll have to get a real job which he hasn’t done since 1995.
http://www.maggotpunks.com
DougThere are many many divisions on the right, and many divisions in the “pro life” camp.Operation Rescue makes the National Republican Party nervous, just like radical feminists make the Dems nervous.However, the GOP is limited in what it can do.A Constitutional Amendment won’t happen and isnt necessary.The Supreme Court will probably water down Roe gradually rather than overturn it outright.Congress COULD limit Court Jurisdiction, but so far have only used Article III powers on rare occasions.No matter how it happens, the laws will change.Medical science is far ahead of where we were in 1973, and the law has not caught up with medicine or public opinion.My point is that the entire political and legal argument will change.All other medical issues are decided at the state level.Within our life times, abortion will again be a state issue, with some broad federal guidelines, issued by Congress more often than the Courts.
To that comment that Operation Rescue shot Dr. Tiller – that’s actually not true. The woman’s name was Shelly, and she wasn’t a part of Operation Rescue. I remember the news clips.
I think the reason they claim “cronyism” is because the KSBHA director, Larry Buening, is married to Sebelius’ aid, Vicki Buening. Larry was appointed by Sebelius, and Sebelius has gotten 200,000 from Tiller. I think there’s a conflict of interest there.
Abortion is never going to go away. Period.
But let’s get to the heart of it.
People that you disapprove of having sex is never going to go away either. Period.
Here’s the heart of the matter: abortion is wrong!!!! It’s evil and distructive.
NoJo, then don’t get an abortion.
Shelly Shannon was with Operation Rescue, just not Operation Rescue West because that group formed after Jeff White of Operation Rescue California had to “shut down” and transfer all assets to Troy Newman in 1999. Shannon was already in prison by then.
Operation Rescue West just has a convicted clinic bomber as their spokesperson. Shannon only tried to kill one person, Cheryl Sullenger tried to kill as many people as she could, because they are pro-life.
Doug,Glad to have you aboard!Jed
Here is that link from above, i guess it didn’t work…
This one will work:
http://www.killsometime.com/Video/video.asp?ID=571
this is for all those side of the road protesters…
Doug, in your previous comments, weren’t you talking about Operation Rescue West here in Kansas? If so, then aren’t I correct about Shannon not being a part of the organization?Also, I looked up Cheryl Sullenger, and I read some pretty ambiguous stuff about her. It seems like she got busted for giving someone a pipe – not for trying to blow anything up.
Hey – I’m all about giving people the benefit of the doubt :)
By the way, I noticed you didn’t respond to what I said about the KSBHA, Sebelius, and Dr. Tiller