The cost of the Senate immigration bill now languishing for lack of House support would be $126 billion over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That figure includes the hiring of 31,000 new federal workers, the installation of 870 miles of fencing and vehicle barriers, and claims of nearly $50 billion in federal benefits by newly legalized immigrants. Such a solution — promoted by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., and other senators seeking a pragmatic approach — is costly. But so is doing nothing, which is where Congress is headed now.
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We already have the personnel to put a big dent in illegal immigration, they are our state and local law enforcement officials. We do not have enough police officers to give everyone who breaks our traffic laws a ticket but that doesn’t stop the police from writing tickets to those who are caught. If 911 taught us anything it is all levels of law enforcement must work together to enforce the laws of our nation. That goes for elected officials as well federal, state, and local. Amend the constitution so habius corpus is denied in a 10 to 20 mile swath next to the border and let the military/national guard patrol this 10 to 20 mile swath and let the border patrol back them up. All of this could be done without spending any additional funds. This should be done if for no other reason than to stop the flood of meth and heroin that is crippling our workforce and families. We don’t need more bureacracy we need more and new ideas to solve this problem.
James RE: “let the military/national guard patrol this 10 to 20 mile swath and let the border patrol back them up. All of this could be done without spending any additional funds.”
How does this work?- this isn’t free by any means. The manpower requirements would be huge! I’m not implying that something doesn’t need to be done, it clearly does!
You want to talk about the “cost of doing nothing”…
“I don’t know whether that’s going to be this year or five years from now or a hundred years from now. But as long as we continue to develop the coastline like we are, we’re setting up for disaster.” – Max Mayfield, director of the U.S. National Hurricane Center. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14467407/?GT1=8404
Instead of cruising around Ft Riley or say Camp Pendleton etc. they would be patroling the border. The point is we do not need new federal bureacracies with more regulations we need to cut the red tape and use the personnel we are already paying for in a more efficient manner.
Thats all well and good, but in that scenario, the things these guys are doing now doesn’t get done. That leaves a void in training and readiness capabilities– that’s not a good thing- look at Iraq, etc. There is not currently enough manpower to do all these things- that’s another part of the original problem you raised.
You got my vote, James.
We’re in this mess because the party that controls everything has two masters–the mouth-breathing immigrant haters and the robber barons.
They could stop immigrants in their tracks by simply enforcing the laws against hiring illegals. Hell, I know who hires them–why don’t the authorities?
But then they’d make the corporatists mad.
Considering the climate on our southern border, it would be excellent training for duty in the Mid-East. Might be a good location for a military base or 2. I’d go further than a big fence and having a military presence. Mine the border and clearly mark it as a minefield. That’ll stop border-jumpers.
If the government does not take steps to combat the invasion, then we will start hunting down and killing these animals!
INVASION USAIllegal aliens linkedto gang-rape waveThe crime epidemic no one will talk about?
——————————————————————————–Posted: August 22, 20061:00 a.m. Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Member of gang Mara Salvatrucha (NPR.org)A wave of illegal-immigrant gang rapes is sweeping the U.S. while public officials and law-enforcement authorities fear drawing the link, experts say.
Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, a Ph.D. researcher of violent crimes, told WorldNetDaily, “It appears as if there is a fear that if this is honestly discussed, people will hate all illegal immigrants. So there is silence. … But in being silent about the rapes and murders, it is as if the victims never even existed.”
Schurman-Kauflin, who runs the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta, participated in a 12-month, in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders from January 1999 through April 2006. The study found approximately 240,000 illegal-immigrant sex offenders reside in the United States – while 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders come across U.S. borders illegally every day.
Schurman-Kauflin said, “Gang rapes by illegal immigrants appear to be gang related. Many of the cases I reviewed involved gang members. As part of being a cohesive group, they offend together. Inflicting brutal gang rapes brings them closer together as a group. It is a way to demonstrate their power. And it sends a message to anyone who dares to cross them.”
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC told WND it now is tracking 12 gang rapes by illegal aliens within America’s borders since Oct. 2004.
ALIPAC’s president, William Gheen, said, “These are just the ones we know of. The real number is much higher.”
Gheen told WND he believes the number of gang rapes is increasing as the population of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases.
“Many illegal aliens have a rape and pillage mentality toward America,” he said. “The government has shown them they can break our laws on many levels without much fear of enforcement. Why should they think of rape or gang rape any differently?”
Gheen said, “Illegal aliens are more likely to engage in these crimes because rapes and gang rapes are much more common in the gang-rule Third World areas they come from.”
MS-13, also known as Mara Salvatrucha, a highly organized and well-funded Central American gang, is infiltrating at least 33 states across the U.S., according to law-enforcement authorities. The gang is well-known in Los Angeles, Houston, New York and Washington, D.C., for excessive brutality. Any person suspected of cooperating with authorities is hunted down, tortured and killed. Initiation rites include kickings, beatings and gang rapes.
Gheen said, “These gangs are forcing new female gang members to undergo gang rape to enter the gang and they are asking their male initiates to gang rape American women to become an official member of the gang.”
MS-13 relies on metropolitan areas with highly concentrated populations of illegal aliens to boost its spreading membership. Chapters require that initiates perform random acts of violence, such as participating in gang rapes, to gain acceptance, confirm law-enforcement officials.
Three MS-13 gang members were charged in the brutal rapes of two deaf girls, one 14, the other 17, in a Massachusetts park in 2002. One victim, who also suffered from cerebral palsy, was pushed out of her wheelchair before being raped repeatedly.
Illegal alien rapists often maintain several aliases, making escaping justice easier.
Jorge Villa-Gutierrez, 25, is in prison for the gang rape of an 18-year-old Douglas County, Colorado woman. He claimed to have paid only $100 for a fake ID and Social Security number.
Manuel Cantu, 28, pleaded guilty in Middlesex Superior Court February 2005 in Cambridge, Mass., to six counts of rape and one count of indecent assault and battery on a person over 14 years old. Cantu also went by the aliases Angel Meza and Angel M. Salvador, according to court documents.
Gheen said, “Illegal aliens have been walking out of American prisons after serving their time at taxpayer expense without being deported. Our government can’t or won’t find the hundreds of thousands of known felon illegal aliens walking America’s streets tonight much less stop the new felons coming in tonight across our unsecured borders.”
The Violent Crimes Institute study established a pattern of escalating offenses among illegal aliens, whose first offense was illegally entering the U.S.
Schurman-Kauflin told WND, “Illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes first cross the U.S. border illegally, then gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported. Those who were deported simply returned illegally again. There is a clear pattern of criminal escalation. From misdemeanors such as assault or DUI, to drug offenses, illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes break U.S. laws repeatedly.”
Most of the offenders reported in the study were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was No. 1, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York and Florida. The 1,500 offenders studied had a total of 5,999 victims – averaging four victims each. Of those studied, 525, or 35 percent, were child molestations, 358, or 24 percent, were rapes, and 617, or 41 percent, were sexual homicides and serial murders.
Schurman-Kauflin said, “We need to know who is coming into this country. It is a matter of security, life and death. … Our borders should be secured so that those with evil intentions cannot enter. We need more Border Patrol agents, more training for these agents and a commitment that we will not tolerate predators coming into this country. There must be security and a return to the rule of law.”
Last year, officials of the House Judiciary Committee said that U.S. immigration officers and police are not always on the same page. Police do not always inform immigration authorities about arrests of undocumented aliens, and immigration officers are often too late to identify the aliens before they are released on bail.
New York’s arm of the Department of Homeland Security is only interviewing 40 percent of foreign-born inmates at Rikers Island – “a failure that puts criminal aliens back on the streets instead of deporting them,” according to the New York Post.
“Gang rape is a form of terrorism. It has been used throughout history as a weapon of terror,” Gheen said. “Most Americans do not see the war that is already upon us in our communities and neighborhoods.”
Some high-profile gang rapes by illegal immigrants include:
December 2002 – In New York, several criminal aliens, who had passed in and out of Rikers and other jails without being detected by immigration officials, brutally beat and gang-raped a Queens mother of two near Shea Stadium. Three of the five rapists were illegal Mexican aliens with multiple prior arrests for crimes including assault, weapon possession and armed robbery.
January 2004 – Four illegal aliens were among the five men who brutally gang-raped a New York City woman. “They punched me so hard that I was knocked to the floor,” the 43-year-old victim wrote before Supreme Court Justice Randall Eng sentenced one of her attackers, Victor Cruz, to 21 years in prison. Cruz, Luis Carmona, Carlos Rodriguez, Armando Juvenal and José Hernandez pleaded guilty in December to rape and kidnapping charges in exchange for sentences of 20 to 23 years.
October 2004 – a 37-year-old North Carolina woman was gang raped by at least seven illegal aliens in Huntersville, N.C.
Oct. 4, 2005 – In Immokalee, Fla., 14 field laborers, ranging in age from 18 to 56, broke into an 18-year-old woman’s home, dragged her across the street and then took turns raping her. The victim said the men choked and hit her until she became unconscious. When she awoke, a man poured alcohol in her mouth. The men removed her clothing and each one raped her.
June 28, 2006 – Texas’ Waco Tribune Herald reported illegal immigrants Javier Guzman Martinez, 18, and Noel Darwin Hernandez, 22, have been charged with one count of aggravated kidnapping and one count of aggravated sexual assault of an 18-year-old Tehuacana woman. The girl had been cut with a piece of glass or “other unknown object.”
July 10 – In Sayre, Pa., the Evening Times reported “Gasper Almilcar Guzman” was among a group of men who were found July 10 to be in this country illegally following a routine traffic stop in Athens Township. Guzman had been convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl in Alabama in 2005. Guzman was deported before he could begin serving his five-year sentence.
July 13 — In Noblesville, Ind., an illegal alien named Miguel Gutierrez, 20, faces two counts of rape for taking a 14-year-old into a garage and participating in a four-man gang rape on the girl. Following the gang rape, the girl was forced into a car and raped again, according to news reports.
July 17 – In Greenville, N.C., Fernando Cruz, 41, Walter Ramires, 26, Luis Morales, 24, and Pedro Vasques, 27, were charged with first-degree rape and first-degree kidnapping of a woman. They drove the woman to a field path on the edge of town and took turns raping her.
July 21 – Sinoe Salgado Garcia, a 28-year-old Fontana, Calif., man convicted of kidnapping and raping a 4-year-old girl, was sentenced to a 30-year-to-life prison term, according to the Riverside Press Enterprise. The child was found hours later inside a shed, thrown over a 6-foot-tall block wall, investigators said. She underwent surgery to repair damage caused by the rape and sodomy, court records show. The site reported that she also suffered three facial fractures.
Aug. 3 – Two young illegal aliens living in Charlotte, N.C., were charged with gang raping an Asheville teenager at the Red Roof Inn. They are 22-year-old Pablo Vasquez Osorio and 23-year-old Marcos Guerrero Fuentes. Both were charged with first-degree rape and kidnapping of a 17-year-old Asheville girl at a Red Roof Inn.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51424
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!Death to Traitors!!
Her’s more proof that the shrub regime is not interested in protecting our nation. The so-called war on terror and islamic bolsheviks is a fraud!
A recent internal audit of the Department of Homeland Security (dhs) reveals that in the 4½-year period up to mid-2005 the United States arrested and then released over 45,000 illegal immigrants from nations whose governments either support state-sponsored terrorism (sst) or who promote, produce or protect terrorist organizations and their members (sic). The facts disclosed in the audit report, released in April 2006, should sober every American.
Regarding the report, Kevin Mooney, staff writer for the Cybercast News Service, recently commented:
The so-called “catch and release” policies have allowed more than 45,000 illegal aliens from countries that are well known for their anti-American views or considered “hotbeds of Islamic fundamentalism” to be freed.
U.S. Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas), in conversations with sheriffs operating along the Texas-Mexico border, learned that illegal aliens of Middle Eastern descent have been able to blend into the culture south of the U.S. border and pass themselves off as Mexicans. …
Between the beginning of fiscal year 2001 and the mid-way point of fiscal year 2005, the dhs audit revealed that 605,210 individuals from countries “other than Mexico” (otms) were apprehended and 309,733 of that total were eventually released.
A total of 91,516 illegal aliens from sst and sic countries were apprehended over the same time period and 45,008 were released, the audit showed.
This audit clearly shows that with attention toward the war on terrorism focused abroad, the soft underbelly of the U.S. is being infiltrated by potential threats. While the majority of illegals from sst and sic countries who are captured and then released into the American population probably are not Islamic jihadists, how many radicals are needed to bring about major destruction?
The September 11 attacks were conducted by only 19 people. Even 1 percent of 45,000 is a lot more than that!
Alarmed by the findings of the internal audit, the Department of Homeland Security has since made changes in its policies toward captured otms. According to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the dhs is now making progress toward ending the “catch and release” program for otms.
But even if the new policies do work, the damage may already be done. This is another case of too little, too late. It’s possible that in the time it has taken for the government to adopt a stronger policy toward captured otms, numerous radical Islamic illegals have penetrated America’s borders and are now in a position to pose a threat to society.http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2484
Viva La raza Blanco!!!
Of course this thread would draw Ian like a fly to honey . . .
Dude, illegals are not animals.
They are human beings like ourselves.
That was low even for you.
If “people” choose to act like animals then I shall describe them as such.
V.L.R.B!!
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060822-122118-5707r.htm
Buchanan has a handle on this issue like no one else. We can’t let the government continue to ignore this situation because of politics. This issue transcends politics.
Could have buit three fences for the price of Iraq. Instead, we have naught.
Steve-Right, we would have the personnel to do the border closing duties. Iraq is going to cost far more than the clowns in Washington will admit to!
The only way to get the Bushies to stop illegal immigration is to tell them that all these people are gay. That should do it – then let Terry Fox and his cohorts do the job.
The bottom line, in my book is this: Do we really want a congress, that so far has done everything wrong, to make a decision on this issue; or would it be better to wait until after the elections, when hopefully, we have some new, intelligent people in congress that have the huevos to halt the lunacy and start making practical decisions!
{Ha . . . beat that run-on sentence!}
Yeah!, then I was run over by a adjective or one of those adverb guys. Mamma Mia!!How many were there?
LOL
How is a fence supposed to keep out those illegal immigrants who got into the country and let their visas expire? It certainly won’t stop the immigrants who get to the states through tunnels. It’s just another Republican plan to waste money on the most useless projects imaginable.
How about correcting past mistakes like NAFTA? Or at least amending it to require a minimum wage in Mexico and end subsidies on American goods like corn that go overseas which put Mexican farmers out of business? Then we could strengthen the unions in America to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants with lower wages.
The Republicans won’t bother because they are only serving the interests of companies that want the cheap labor. They don’t care how many illegal immigrants come into the country because it’s just more expendable labor and it’s no burden on their tax rolls since they avoid payroll taxes and pay the 5% corporate tax rate. The voters don’t care because they don’t want gays to get married.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy……Ernest Benn
BTW, Ian is a f**cking Nazi.We in America hate Spanish Nazis.
Now Tracy – Ian isn’t Spanish he’s Cuban (dangit!)
Correction:We in America hate CUBAN Nazis.Thanks Jules.
Look out! He’ll call you a coconut!!
mmmmmm Coconut Cream Pie with meringue.Stop it guys! I’m doing fine with my cravings without your help :)
meringue? Isn’t that Ian’s favorite type of music? Hmmm….
huhuhuhuhuhuuu…stop! too funny!
Cuba has a population of about 10.8 million, 70% of whom live in the cities. The population is a mixture of Caucasian descendants of the original settlers from Spain and black descendants of the slave population imported from Africa in the 18th and 19th centuries. There is a sizable Chinese population, descendants of the Chinese workers who immigrated to Cuba during the latter half of the 19th century, and a smattering of other nationalities. These populations have mixed and intermarried over the centuries, and the Cuban population today is its own distinct combination: Some Cubans are white, some are black, some are Asian, and some are of mixed heritage.
There has been, over the centuries, a strong element of racial discrimination in Cuba. Until the latter half of the 19th century, the black population of Cuba was mostly slaves, although a community of free black workers gradually established itself. After independence and throughout the first half of the 20th century, the various governments were massively inattentive to the living conditions of the poor, many of whom were black. The Castro revolution was in great part dedicated to the improvement of precisely this population, and to some extent the revolutionary government has been successful—mainly through programs of education and public health—in benefiting all the less advanced sectors of the population. Upward mobility for blacks, women, and peasants has improved considerably, although they are still underrepresented in the high levels of government and the communist party: Large numbers of blacks and women have achieved skilled, professional, and managerial positions, and blacks have particularly found advancement in military careers and in Cuba’s highly successful sports programs.
Let it be known that Ian Santiago is a part of the Creoles (Spaniard born outside of Spain) and I believe that he misses the good ol days of his caste system, which has entirely been done away with.
http://www.culturalorientation.net/cubans/PEOPLE.htm
The Pinar del Rio Solution
President George Bush and his supporters on the far right anguish needlessly about the millions of undocumented workers in the United States. Why? Because the Pinar del Rio solution is close at hand.
Briefly stated, this policy provides that the hundreds of workers that are regularly swept up in raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement merely need to state that they are refugees from Cuba, regardless of their actual country of origin. More specifically, the undocumented workers should state that they worked in the tobacco fields of Pinar del Rio, and that they got to the United States in refugee boat lifts.
As Cuban refugees who have actually landed on U. S. soil, the undocumented workers will be entitled to stay. ICE officials who dispute their story will be in the difficult position of proving a negative—that they did not come from Cuba, but rather from some other country. But which one? Mexico? Guatemala? El Salvador? Honduras? Canada?
As long as the undocumented workers stick to their story, the worst that can happen is that they will be placed in detention centers. But as the ranks of detainees swell by thousands every week, the detention centers will increasingly resemble concentration camps. Even Bush, with his limited knowledge of history, knows we don’t want to go down that road.
So relax. The undocumented workers are not actually “lawbreakers,” regardless of what the far right says. They’re here merely to earn money for their families. By the way, it might be a good idea for you to brush up on your Spanish.
More or less nothing seems worth thinking about. Not much on my mind today. Today was a total loss. My mind is like a bunch of nothing, but maybe tomorrow. So it goes. I just don’t have much to say recently, but whatever.