Air security was drastically tightened today after reports that British authorities thwarted a terrorist plot to take down multiple airliners flying from London to the United States. The sophistication of the planning and alleged weaponry — liquid explosives and detonators disguised as personal electronics items — is a sobering reminder that five years after Sept. 11, the threat to the homeland continues to be very real and far bigger than the occasional wannabe shoe bomber.
No doubt some cynical Americans will suspect the alert is a GOP ploy to scare people into voting Republican in the midterm congressional elections. But that’s far-fetched, especially because British officials have gone so far as to ban carry-on bags on all transatlantic flights.
That said, the real questions this episode raises are: When will the terrorism threat finally end? And what more can the U.S. government do to end it?
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But….but…Ed says there are no terrorists except the Jews.
Well, that’s not true. Bush is the world’s greatest terrorist, and he’s not even Jewish. And the U.S. is causing terrorist attacks because of its aggresive foreign policy.
There’s that word “terrorist” again. Wouldn’t a better description be “retaliation” for Lebanon? But that dosn’t serve the Israelis, now does it?
American are barely aware of the massacre in Lebanon which should have round the clock coverage, at least the equivalent to 9/11, but that wouldn’t serve the Israelis, now would it?
Such sophistication as liquid explosives and a complicated detonator doesn’t suggest the Mossad, who are just sitting on their hands during our elections, now aren’t they?
“Terrorist” was the word the Israelis gave the Palestinians to get sympathy and money from the United States before we found out what was really happening to them. The Palestinians were the ones being terrorized, not the Israelis, now weren’t they?
Being terrorized and butchered and slaughtered by the Israelis no less, now weren’t they?
Terrorism is a farce. Pissed-off Arabs are for real and for real reasons.
Doubt that? Just look at Lebanon, or Iraq, or Palestine.
Jack
Don’t mind Todd, he just follows me around and make false accusations. I’m surprised the WE let you post, little Todd, after that last false statement of libel you made about me.
I think Todd is really “bullet boy” in disguise. You know, the one with the death threats. Nutty as a fruit cake.
This is Dana Priest’s take on the question of who these terrorists are:
“I think it is a simplification. we should stop obsessing on al qaeda because terrorism and terrorists have moved beyond that organization and label. I do believe that about 3/4 of the pre-9-11 AQ leadership structure has been taken down by international efforts. That’s obviously good, but something more fluid and amorphous has replaced it, and that’s not good.”
Whole discussion here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/08/04/DI2006080401201.html
Terrorists attack civilians on purpose. Terrorists don’t wear uniforms. Terrorists don’t feel bound by UN resolutions, international law or common decency.You can’t sign a “peace treaty” with terrorists, even if you wanted to.They are not a state, not country, terrorism is a belief system and that belief system itself must be destroyed.Terrorism is a bad thing.Bad things happen in all wars, but terrorism is NOTHING but bad things done on purpose.I am hopeing that tracing financial transactions and telephone eavesdropping assisted in saving lives here.In answer to Rhonda’s question, terrorism will end when the terrorists win, or when the terrorists are all dead, defeated or converted to reasonable behavior.
“Terrorists attack civilians on purpose.” I agree. They also attack UN posts on purpose, bomb food warehouses, bomb a hotel housing peacekeeping troops (King David Hotel Jeruselum), and deliberately bomb ambulances, food convoys, and fleeing refugees.
I am impressed – and frightened – by their level of sophistication.
That said, I’ll toss one I have warned people of: plant a very small dynamite bomb (about what you would use to blow up a stump) on a rail car carrying toxic liquified gas (Chlorine, phosgene, cyanogen, etc). Set to go off when down town somewhere.
Paul loves that word “Terrorism”
Paul used that word 10 times 12 full lines. There is a reason for doing that. Try to equate the word terrorist with Arab, so when you murder Arab civilians they were probably terrorists anyway.
Clever trick in psychology.
The Israel targeted a six story apartment complex just north of Bruit killing scores and the rescue workers were described as “rooting” through the debris for survivors. As though the rescue works were pigs looking for something to eat.
Word games are important to those like Paul.
So, jackstraw, who do we blame for the first World Trade bombings (pre-Bush), and the thousand other Islamic-fascist terrorist attacks on countries other than the U.S.?
Terrorism will always be with us–whether it’s the current wave of angry Islamists or another batch of white supremists Christians like Tim McVey or the Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland.
We have to stop acting like the sky is falling and just take reasonable preventative steps.
Ditto for global warming, pollution, food and drug purity, etc. etc.
Win1–
Blame it on H. W. Bush and Dick Cheney, then Sec’ry of War . . . I mean, Defense.
They put bases in Arabia when OBL came home from kicking the Russians out of Afghanistan.
Dumb. Really dumb.
OBL and Co. started terrorism against the US the very year those bases went in. We were their allies prior to that.
U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006
http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
Let us not forget the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel in Jeruselum that forced out the British peacekeepers. That was NOT done my Muslims.
I noticed that most of the newspaper pictures of airports today show a whole lot of ordinary Americans, repacking their luggage and waiting in long lines. No gels or liquids for anybody. We can’t selectively impose rules on swarthy-skinned men who look and talk with heavy accents that could make them possible-candidate terrorists, because that would be profiling. We have to pretend that EVERYBODY is a potential terrorist. Hey Grandma, lose the cold cream. Kid, gimme that fruit juice NOW.”
Never mind that this is causing flights to be majorly delayed, inconveniencing people who want to visit relatives and take vacations, and seriously disrupting timetable-limited business travelers. We have to impose bizarre fantasy rituals to be “fair”.
“I am hopeing that tracing financial transactions and telephone eavesdropping assisted in saving lives here.In answer to Rhonda’s question, terrorism will end when the terrorists win, or when the terrorists are all dead, defeated or converted to reasonable behavior.”
It is going to take a long time to kill them all, and then killing all their progeny will take some time, and then there are all those subsequent generations whose killing will likely take us until the end of time to accomplish.
Would an example of being “converted to reasonable behavior” include welcoming lectures and scoldings from Karen Hughes?
Paul’s joke of a post highlights the fact that our administration has no clue on what its objectives are in the “war on terror”. Stay the course.
Wow, Ed. At least you refrained from calling my mom a “Zionist Whore” this time. I’m very impressed. The lithium must be working for you.
“There’s that word “terrorist” again. Wouldn’t a better description be “retaliation” for Lebanon?”
Wouldn’t “retaliation” be a word you’d use if you were actually aiming your violence at the country that is supposedly oppressing you? What these terrorist scumbags have done is like you hitting Ben with your purse for something I said.
>>So, jackstraw, who do we blame for the first World Trade bombings (pre-Bush), and the thousand other Islamic-fascist terrorist attacks on countries other than the U.S.?<<
Ummmm…I think the first WTC attack was because of the Mother of Battles (a/k/a Bush I’s imperialist aggression against the sovereign peoples of Iraq). The other thousands of attacks I can’t really speak for….something about showing solidarity with the oppressed Palestinian people, I think.
The enemy creating the threat against America is a small group of men occupying the White House.
They are giving high tech weapons to a small group of psychopaths in Zionist Israel.
When they’ve all been rooted-out, the world will settle back down and the carnage will stop.
Nothing else will work.
Americans know these men are deathly afraid of the rule of law and free elections, unhindered by bribes from lobbying traitors.
They’ll pull any trick in the book to corrupt the upcoming elections. A fair outcome to those elections spells their death.
And they know it.
Steven – maybe the key is to kill their first-born children in order to subdue them. Or will that just harden them against us?
Excellent answers, JackStraw!
Take a look at this post, lefties, it is from that “Right Wing Rag” slate mag, lolhttp://www.slate.com/id/2147395/nav/tap1/Democrats don’t just question Iraq, they question the need for any military response at all, and this is what will kill them in many elections if the Party has truly been captured by the loonie left.
Well sorry about the disrespect there JackStraw. But let me just say this…There’s a whole bunch of people that comment here with their real live emails everyday. And nobody I’m aware of has attracted “moonbats” or trolls or any other nasty creatures to their inbox.You set up a yahoo account and treat unwanted mail just like what it is: SPAM. not a problem
Paul, do you really think any ‘lefties’ are gonna look at that?Maybe if a wierd lefty like myself posted it……………?
Yeah, I read the Slate article. I just love it when the Repukes try to tell Democrats what is wrong with their party. Ain’t nuthin’ wrong with gettin’ the far-left loonies, bless ‘em, all riled up. The GOP sure turns its far-righties loose everytime it feels threatened.Attn. GOP. We don’t need your opinions on how to run our party. Seems to me you have plenty of problems of your own. Take care of them and we’ll take care of ours.
I’m with Dennis, the Repubs can take their own advice. Come up with a plan on the war, describe what will it look like when we’re done, plus 100s of other details these clowns did not even seem to anticipate, much less plan for.
Same old Republican trick, if you can’t sell the stinking poop you got in your store, see what can be done about discrediting the opposition. The preceding won’t work any more; you Repubs rely on it at your peril.
Unfortunately I do not think the terrorist threat will ever end unless we as a nation pull together and stop interfering in the rest of the world’s backyards. The US needs to lead by example and our own backyard is not too clean at this point in time. We need real leadership to start helping our own country and tending to our own citizens and their needs. Enough of the bickering politics and enough of the greedy oil profits. We need to get off the foreign oil and get off it now.
In many ways, terrorism must be fought the same was as gangs. The key is to get good intelligence; in other words to get the locals to turn them in. Unfortunately, when the locals hate us that is not very likely.
It is scary when I see Jihadists arising in countries that once were VERY western such as Bosnia and Kosovo. At least in those two it seems to have been stopped.
Devastation, despair, and anarchy are the terrorists’ best friends. Serbia created that in abundance in the Balkans. We did that (against the Soviets) in Afghanistan. Now we are doing that in Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine.
This is Leiberman attacking Ned Lamont because of the thwarted terrorist plot:
“If we just pick up like Ned Lamont wants us to do, get out by a date certain, it will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England,” Mr. Lieberman said at a campaign event at lunchtime in Waterbury, Conn. “It will strengthen them and they will strike again.”
whole article:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/washington/10cnd-lieberman.html?hp&ex=1155268800&en=cd64531fba998a62&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Would someone explain to me how our troops continuing to die because of being in the middle of the Iraq sectarian violence is going to stop the terrorists and other assorted evil-doers from attacking us? How is our occupation of Iraq helping us? What are our goals, how are they being accomplished in Iraq?
Enquiring minds would like to know…
Steven – didn’t you know that the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi jihadists?
England has been caught harboring terrorists, it’s time we invaded them. We better fight them in England, Iraq, Iran, Venezuala, Indonesia, Lebanon, Chad, Haiti, Costa Rica, China, India, Pakistan, Romania, Botswana, Peru, Grenada, Turkey, Finland so we don’t have to fight them here.
For all the Bush supporters on this forum the age of enlistment has been raised to 42 so you can still join Bush’s religious war on Islam.
We are not in a war on terrorism. We are in a war with Islamic fascism. President Bush finally said it today.
Some on the left and one person in particular on this blog had ridiculed the “alarmist right” with using the imagined threat of terrorism for political purposes. Today’s news in London shows the folly of that argument.
I wonder if data mining or phone surveillance had anything to do with catching these guys?
I wonder if we wouldn’t be better off if we took the billions we’re spending on war and used it for a sort of Mid-East Marshall Plan. Democracy is a lot easier to swallow if you’re not living in grinding poverty.
“I am hopeing that tracing financial transactions and telephone eavesdropping assisted in saving lives here.In answer to Rhonda’s question, terrorism will end when the terrorists win, or when the terrorists are all dead, defeated or converted to reasonable behavior.”
The way I hear it, we weren’t even involved and didn’t even know about the plot till the British told us about it a few days ago.
Thank God we had the British to protect us. If we had to depend on president Chimpy and Dead-eye Dick, there’d be planes lying on the bottom of the Atlantic.
XXX,
Wow… Imagine that, the location a flight is leaving from provided the security.
Britain is our ally. Of course they uncovered this…It was in their country!
Of course leave it to the foaming at the mouth Bush haters to do what they do best with everything: Blame Bush or attack Bush.
Congrats XXX.
Suppose that they just made it up?
Blair wouldn’t make-up something just to help his buddie Bush, now would he?
Bush and Blair never do lie about anything, now do they?
A foaming at the mouth Bush hater? Sounds more like a foaming at the mouth Bush lover.
More immigration control for ALL countries…The 24 Pakistanis arrested were BRITISH CITIZENS.They are terrifyng the world..all countries against these evil, evil radicals should go after them all… And where are we…iraq, where we should NOT BE..They have succeeded in my having total lack of confidence in U.S. and its allies’ security…I do not fly.
What always gets me is that the Bush lovers can’t seem to see that he’s wrecking this country and destablizing the rest of the world.
Are they just plain stupid?
Steve, we were supposed to have a mini-Marshall Plan for Iraq.
See
Marshall Plan, Minus the Plan$30 billion later, Iraq’s reconstruction is more distant than ever
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-miller10aug10,0,4936264.story?coll=la-opinion-center
Ed, that is a thought, although I’ve been suspecting something new would happen again for some time now. But whether or not this was Muslim planned, I wouldn’t place any bets on anything.
We’ve done a fine job—of stirring the pot. I don’t think we need to fake anything anymore. More’s the pity.
As Doug said, we began growing terrorism when we invaded Iraq. The world, as a whole, was not behind us the way they were with Afghanistan. But we plunged into the bloodbath anyway, with no plan except to enjoy the flowers being thrown from the Iraqis. If those behind this war had paid attention to their advisors, they might have realized that there might be explosives in those flowers. Remember, it wasn’t the Iraqi people who pulled down that statue of Saddam. Just one more of our little tricks, like that Mission Accomplished banner.
I’m sorry, but GW reminds me of a little banty rooster, cock-strutting around the barnyard, while the real roosters are laughing at him.
“Another scary reminder that the terrorists want us all dead.”
WOW Rhonda oversensationalize much?
Ya know what folks? I question the timing. I want to see the “bomb”. I want proof that this isn’t just another hype like the last “thwarted ” attack. Anything more ever come of that one?
Short of that, I call this theatre.
I cannot believe some of you think this could be made up.My friend died on one of thoseplanes on 9/11 and that was not made up.People who want Americans dead are out there. They will do anything to get that accomplished. You are living in a bubble if you do not believe this.
what??,
What?? Where did anyone say 9/11 was made up?
RD
You’re missing the point. The plan was to go into Iraq, knockout Saddam’s Army and build bases. I think we’ve built about six, maybe more. There was no other plan, other than to make noises about this or that or whatever, just killing time until the attack on Iran…….
Israel was supposed to knockout Hezbollah and Syria and link-up for the assault on Iran.
The Iraqi resistance has been too strong and Hezbollah also has been too strong and that’s what’s hanging-up the PNAC Plan.
“A citizen who shirks his duty to contribute to the security of his community is just little better than the criminal who threatens it.”
I notice that a lot of posters seem to have bought the ridiculous neocon “They hate us for our freedom” line of BS. If they really hated us for our freedom, why are dozens of other countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Belgium, etc. that have just as much or more freedom not facing any type of threat from the same terrorists?
Because it is a neocon lie. They hate us for our:
1. Support of the murderous, apartheid regime of Israel that routinely kills innocent Palestinian and Arab civilians with American made weapons.
2. Ongoing support for the occupation and usurpation of Palestinian lands through the building of illegal Jewish settlements and the barrier wall.
2. Occupying armies that are responsible for the deaths of thousand of innocent civilians in Iraq.
3. Permanent bases built in countries despite the objections of the residents.
4. A large population of idiots that routinely label all Muslims and Arabs, even the Christian Arabs as terrorists, barbarians, and murderers based on nothing more than their language, skin tone or religious beliefs.
It is time to open your mind to the reality that for many Arabs and Muslims the deaths of Palestinian and Lebanese children are acts of terror no different than the deaths of Americans that occurred on 9/11. They may tacitly support Hamas and Hezbollah, but the US has openly supported the terroristic acts of Israel for decades.
“Ya know what folks? I question the timing. I want to see the “bomb”.”
JR: Closing your eyes and chanting “it isn’t real, it isn’t real” is not a real good philosophy in regard to fighting terrorism.
Your attitude illustrates perfectly why the left cannot be trusted with national defense.
Excuse me Nathan, but I was under the impression that the war on terror was Global. If we’re only looking at issues in our country, we’re in deep shit. What about all of those tapped phone calls where one party was a terrorist or terrorist related? What about all of those foriegn bank records?
Seems to me if BushCo is going to protect Americans from foriegn terrorists, they might want to do some looking outside of this country.
outlander,
National Defense for liberals means cutting the defense budget and withdrawling our troops from anywhere and everywhere a terrorist demands, because if we don’t then we deserved and caused what ever terrorist attack they throw at us…
If this plot is legit, and its not another political ploy to scare the public, then it is the perfect example of how to fight TERRORISM.
You fight it on a law enforcement level, covert etc.
You are not going to defeat terrorist by invading and occupying countries while at the same time killing innocent civilians.
GET A CLUE BUSH LOVERS!!! THIS IS HOW ITS DONE!!!!
So Paul, except for the uniform part, I guess the Israelies would be considered terrorist! If hezzabola (sp), were to get uniforms would you feel better about them?
what?? FYI, most of the hijackers cane from Saudi Arabia – NOT Iraq.
It is awfully convenient, terrorist wake up call when the Republicans need it the most! One has to be just a little bit dubious.
Sorry Out I’ve become rather cynical.
WMDS? what WMDS?
“Dead or alive”
I don’t think I need to go on.
This story was broke in the middle of the night BY FOX NEWS. I was the first to post to it on the other open.
That FOX broke it automatically calls it’s credibility into question.
Now we are being told stories about “sports bottles” filled with “liquid”.
We ask “What liquid???”
We are told, “That is classified.”
Fool me once shame on……I won’t get fooled again>”
Steve – and if Hizbollah got F-16s with markings on them and used them to bomb hospitals, ambulances, food warehouses, apartment buildings, etc etc etc it would also be good.
XXX,
You are an intelligent guy. Perhaps if you took some time to look at the chart of top Al Queda terrorists either killed or captured you would see that Bush has been doing just that.
We’re doing a good job keeping the terrorist at bay. Thanks to the Bush and Blair administration.
THUMBS UP!
Pure hoax.
The FBI found 7 losers in Florida a while back and tried to make a big deal out of that, which helped give the British this idea to hatch this controlled group. The reason the British were so close to this hoax is because they were running it.
We ought to name a soft drink after this ridiculous piece of work.
This sounds like a re-run from “Get Smart.”
But the “give-away was that Karl got Bush to say: “Islamic fascist who hates our freedom.”
{Remember: “hates our freedom?” }
And the U.S. is causing terrorist attacks because of its aggresive foreign policy.
THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE DUMBEST STATEMENT I HAVE EVER WITNESSED ON THIS BLOG!!!
Newsflash fuckhead:9/11 happened BEFORE we invaded Iraq.9/11 happened BEFORE we invaded Afghanistan.Bombing of the U.S.S. Cole happened BEFORE Bush Jr. bacame president.Bombing of American Embassies in the Middle East happened BEFORE Bush Jr. became president.
So much for your asinine statement that terrorists IN RETALIATION of our “aggressive foreign policy.” Small wonder you Leftist Liberal Lunatics couldn’t even beat a Texan with a 4th grade reading level.
Could it REALLY be just a coincidence?
An incumbent Democrat Senator is defeated in his primary. Reason? His support for the “war on terror” sold to us as vital by the now ever less credible bush.
And the VERY NEXT DAY here is more news of the activities of the “scary terrorists”.
JR,
Go back to whatever it is you do and let the adults run things. And by the way, don’t worry we will protect you.
Ummmm…I think the first WTC attack was because of the Mother of Battles (a/k/a Bush I’s imperialist aggression against the sovereign peoples of Iraq)
What the hell is he talking about!? Is he talking about Operation Desert Storm!? In case you forgot Jack… we went to Iraq that time because your old B.F.F. Saddam invaded Kuwait and basically raised bloody hell over there! Methinks you don’t know jack about what you’re talking about Jack. Read a book before you open the flaps on your face.
JR: Come on. It is not reasonable to think that the world’s air transportation system was turned on its head and 21 Pakitani Muslim men were arrested because Joe Lieberman lost an election. If that’s the best spin the left wing blogs can come up with…
The details will be coming out soon enough and we will find out what the less legally restricted Brits were able to do with electronic surveillance capability we provde them.
JR
The timing was for the day after some primaries, you’re dead-on about that.
Nathan, many Americans are becoming unimpressed by your protection,
http://www.pollingreport.com/terror.htm
Hey Ed! Why did Jordon kill thousands of Palestinian. Do you know anything about Black September?
No dude! The Palestinians are not innocent by-standers being exploited by Zionist. They have and will continue to be a violent group, for which no Arab country wants them.
>>The timing was for the day after some primaries, you’re dead-on about that.<<
Words fail me.
I do not suggest it is JUST because of Lieberman.
NO WMDS in Iraq.
Generals AND troops now agree Iraq in civil war.
Bush approval low and falling.
Support for “war” low and falling.
Republicans and neocon agenda in serious trouble.
Republican control of House and Senate at stake.
The beginnings of SERIOUS rumblings that bush may not only be impeached but imprisoned.
Heck of a time for the scary terrorists to pop up huh?
I am not calling this a hoax out of hand.
In the words of Ronald Reagan. (You were a small child back then Nathan but no doubt you know them)
“Trust but verify”
I do not suggest it is JUST because of Lieberman.
NO WMDS in Iraq.
Generals AND troops now agree Iraq in civil war.
Bush approval low and falling.
Support for “war” low and falling.
Republicans and neocon agenda in serious trouble.
Republican control of House and Senate at stake.
The beginnings of SERIOUS rumblings that bush may not only be impeached but imprisoned.
Heck of a time for the scary terrorists to pop up huh?
I am not calling this a hoax out of hand.
In the words of Ronald Reagan. (You were a small child back then Nathan but no doubt you know them)
“Trust but verify”
“We are not in a war on terrorism. We are in a war with Islamic fascism. President Bush finally said it today.”
Outlander, we have been engaged in the Iraq war for over three years; we have poored billions upon billions of dollars into that fiasco. And I am supposed to be impressed that Bush is telling us today who we are fighting? Please. I guess it is better that he has figured out who our enemy is at this late date, rather than never at all.
You might want to check out this definition of islamofascism to discover the historical and descriptive inaccuracies of the term:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism
Islamic extremists are dangerous, they want to kill us. We need to deal with them in some comprehensive way – which is going to involve a combination of intelligence gathering (with the help of allies) and police type work. (You will note that this was what thwarted this plot today).
The first step that we have to achieve if we want back on a course of sanity, is to ADMIT that the invasion of IRAQ was a MISTAKE. (See that was not difficult, really). Then we need to figure out how we can get out of Iraq as soon as possible. The last over-arching step would be to figure out how we can develop a comprehensive multinational plan to rid the world of Islamic extemists. We cannot kill them all. We will need to be creative. We invented the airplane, compound interest, and host of other wonderful things — I think we, as a country, are up to the task.
Let’s admit our mistake and start dealing with the serious problem at hand.
Hey Conspiracy Theorist with the 10 gallon tinfoil hat,Al Qaeda is not a Palestinian organization. Nor does it attack western countries for any single purpose. For example, they still teach teenage boys at the madrasas that it is justified in killing in the name of Allah because of the Christian Crusades of the middle ages! Nor do they allow the Peaceful coexistance between an Israeli and Palestinian state. The elimination of Israel is ultimately their goal and the dominance of their world-view is all they care about. But alas, I suppose an anti-Semite as yourself would breathe easily in a world without Jews. So save your bullshit philanthropic bitching about the state of the Palestinian people, because in the eyes of OBL and Al Qaeda, all Palestinians are expendable to use as an excuse to justify mass murder of Jews and Americans.
Steven Davis,and while you and your idealist friends of the Democratic party are trying to create “constructive” ways to deal with people who can not be reasoned with because they believe that it is God’s Will and their duty to see to it that you and everyone like you is dead, thousands more American and European lives will be lost. But please go on, I’m very interested in how all this “thinking” you guys will be doing is going to stop determined religious fundamentalists from setting off dirty bombs in major metropolitan centers. May I ask, how would you deal with someone in that situation? Would you reason with him? Appeal to his philanthropic compassion of humanity? The only language they understand is the language at the barrel of a gun.
Keep thinking, i’m rootin for ya!
CrusaderWill -
The way we’ve dealt with our enemy by invading Iraq is what you’d do?
Forgive me sir, but I don’t think we can win in the war/conflict/police action (whatever you want to call it) with Islamic Extremism by:1) killing them allor2) having Karen Hughes lecture and scold them into submission.
So thinking is not a good thing to do before one invests billions of dollars and thousands of U.S. soldiers lives?
Sorry, I am not apologizing for my positions. Good luck with yours.
JR: You’ve may have gone off the deep end. I’ll try to save you.
Your only hope is to stay off Democratic Underground, DailyKos, etc.. for a couple of days or until the screams of anguish die down. By then they will realize the stupidity of their spin and it will be safer to read them again.
It is really sad that we can’t focus on our real enemy, the enemy of our civilization. Instead it’s all about politics. As I posted before, my wife is stuck at Heathrow until at least tomorrow because of these bastards that wanted to kill her and all the other innocents. We need to unite against our common enemy instead of worrying how it affects the polls.
Now, back to a moment of sobriety…
Thank you heartlander for the LA Times Link “Mashall Plan, Minus the Plan”. I am going to repost it here for some of you late arrivals who may have also missed it.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-miller10aug10,0,4936264.story?coll=la-opinion-center
The whole purpose of the war with Iraq has been a lie from day one. Pick a country, any country, run by some tin pot dictator. What do you have? Genocide, starvation, mass exodus, mass graves, and why should Iraq be the lucky one to be chosen out of all the rest? Duh . . . does oil sound like a good reason for the likes of the Bush mafia? I know it sure sounds like the reason to me.
Terrorism, along with force-fed patriotism, was the lie fed us. WMD? Where? Not Iraq, that’s for sure. We ran Sadaam out of Kuwait, and he was nothing but a blowhard after that. The countries that CAN cause problems, Iran, Korea, have witnessed the quagmire we’re in in Iraq, and have started rattling their sabers.
If we had a real leader, there would have been no invasion, and home security would be funded to protect the borders instead of checking library cards. I would venture to guess Osama would be six feet under instead of still over six feet tall. This whole war on terrorism, as practiced by this administration, has been a lesson in incompetence from day one.
Ya know, I’m gonna call for Rhonda’s fainting couch! She seems pretty worked up about this! But unfortunately there are many who are out of breath with breathless worry. I’ve not enough couches for all.
Now Rhonda dear settle down.
Let’s start with your header.
“Another…
Ummmmm when was the last one? When was the last CREDIBLE one?
“…..scary….” Hey there is the first word of the “scary terrorists”meme.
Um Rhonda I don’t call this scary! It is so badly defined (so far) it is almost LAUGHABLE. A strange so far classified “liquid bomb”? The suspects are from there….no wait they’re from over there.
“…reminder….”
Yup gotta remind the folks to stay scared! When they stay scared they don’t think or ask questions! They react by inviting their government to react!
….terrorists…
Hey the other half of the “scary terrorists” tac! Tim McVeigh was a terrorist too! We did not change laws or fight wars because of what HE did. I believe the law dealt with him and he is dead now.
“…want us all dead”
“us all” would be who? There have been no attacks or rumors of attacks against Iceland, or Norway or Luxemborg or just about any other nation. Why do we earn their particular attention? Is there a good reason? Are these assumed terrorists just crazed homicidal folks with a bent for America? Do they really want to kill us or do they want us to pay attention to them for some reason.
I’m gonna predict now that the air will go out of this latest “scary terrorist” threat too. You know, like that last incident that happened to be based on some kooks in a chat room? Ah but with this one it will take longer. Credibility is on the line and if THIS one is busted as another “chickenlittle” even MORE folks won’t buy the next one.
Show me folks. Show me.
I neither want nor need “saving” by you out.
I read little from the Daily Kas or Demunderground. In fact the only time I have EVER visited them was in following links posted by others here.
I want to suggest that it is you and not I who is posting from a position of irrationality. Your personal situation is no doubt on your mind. You have my sympathies but of course also my notation that you are not right now disposed to think rationally.
Show me the credibility of this threat. We have already lost too much and gained too little in this “war”. I just am not buying it anymore.
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
If Osama or if Iran had a nuke today, and the capacity to drop that nuke on Israel today, they would do it.Radical Islam, both Shiite and Suni, would sacrifice EVERY Palestinian and EVERY Lebanese — if they were sure that they could destroy Israel in the process.Democrats will not win because Democrats confuse criticism of the war on terror with a desire for surrender.How can we possibly surrender?The number one cause of death in Gaza is “Honor killing” or the beating or stabbing of females for “dishonor” to their families. More women die this way every month, on purpose, in Islamic countries than the US and Israel together could possibly kill by accident.Such “dishonor” can be just about anything the Muslem man invents in his own mind.How in the world can the west ever feel morally equivalent to such barbaric behavior?Islamic Fascism is real, and those of you who think in terms of “moral equivalency” are suicidal at best, and homicidally negligent at worst.Bad things happen in war.The United States and Israel don’t do bad things on purpose, and we don’t start wars.Saddam had been at war with America through 3 different Presidents.Saddam DID sponsor and train suicide bombers, Saddam DID train hijackers. Saddam DID celebrate on 9-11. Saddam DID give aid and comfort the first WTC bombers.Has our response to terrorism been perfect? Of course not.Are we still alive?Yes, in large part because of George W Bush!The political problem with preemptive war is that we can never prove what it is that we preempted.A brutal dictator like Saddam who tried to kill a former US President, who invaded a neighbor, who gassed his own people, who tortured and raped his enemies in front of their families, who paid suicide bombers in Israel, Saddam WAS the WMD!Homicidal sadistic maniacs can not be allowed to pursue WMD’s and Saddam was in pursuit of WMD’s.Libya has since decided to change its ways. Would Libya still be a sponsor of terrorism if Saddam was still in power?The Democrats are Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Any idiot can tell you what could have been done better, after the game is over.What do the Dems want us to do to secure our future safety?What is the Democrat National Security Plan?Do the Democrats HAVE a National Security Plan???
“Terrorism” is saying cheese while they snap the picture of you, their sheep.
Blair staged the latest hoax to scare the American sheep into voting to keep the decider’s people in congress.
The Mossad rounded-up 24 losers and there was no danger as you had to mix beer with water to make a booooom. That enough to scare the sheep and bobble-head Bush got to say: “They hate our freedom.” What a day.
I’ll be back to take about your rant later Paul.
Too much their for one sitting. I’ll be back to sweep up the scraps.
JR,I gotta disagree with you on this one. I think it is real. Remember Nitro glycerene? Liquid. It’s what dynamite is made from: Sawdust and nitro. A small shock can set it off. Not a big deal to make. Unstable as hell though.
The terrorists hit us once, and I have no doubt they will try again and again. If this was the real thing, and I think it is, then my hats off to the british. I sure as hell don’t want to be the one that said, I told you so.
Outlander,
I am glad your wife is safe — I presume that is the case.
I agree that Islamic extremism is a real threat not to just the U.S. but many other nations.
Can you agree with me that the invasion into Iraq was a mistake for any number of reasons, but primarily because the invasion is not having any positive effect in our efforts to confront Islamic extremism?
My opinion: Iraq has been an unfortunate diversion of resources and U.S. soldiers lives.
Paul,” Democrats will not win because Democrats confuse criticism of the war on terror with a desire for surrender.”
That is about as assinine remark as I have ever heard. You’ve got it completly backwards: Republicans will not win, because Republicans confuse criticism of a war on terror with a desire for surrender. Don’t believe that? I suggest you read any of your idol Ann Coulter’s hit pieces. I suggest while you’re at it, you eat a lot of fish. It should feed your brain.
The republican group-think hive is absolutely buzzing. Several million conservatives crawled back under the bed and collectivly wet themselves.
Since the alleged “terrorists” (sorry, ED) were British subjects, using BushLogic, will we now bomb Ireland?
Paul, Again: ” Has our response to terrorism been perfect? Of course not.Are we still alive?Yes, in large part because of George W Bush!”Ask the mothers of the sons, fathers , daughters and wives lost in a war that should never have happened. I would bet you would get a completely different story.
“Homicidal sadistic maniacs can not be allowed to pursue WMD’s and Saddam was in pursuit of WMD’s.”Paul, one word – bullshit.
Paul,I am sure Bush appreciates your efforts to defend the indefnsible. The invasion of Iraq has been an obscene waste of resourses and soldiers. We need to stop making things worse by not admitting our mistake.
(Paul, if you are following along in your Republican spin manual, this is where you are supposed to accuse me of being racist against Middle Eastern people)…
We can develop a reasonable response to Islamic extemism. But insisting on staying the course in Iraq is not part of any reasonable plan.
Sigh…
Steven: I don’t think you will find many people who, in hindsight, wouldn’t agree that the Iraq invasion was a mistake. After that though, it breaks down in regard to what to do next.
I also cannot disagree with your opinion as expressed in the concluding sentence of your post.
Thank you for your kind thoughts regarding my wife’s safety.
“Ask the mothers of the sons, fathers , daughters and wives lost in a war that should never have happened. I would bet you would get a completely different story.” from J M Walker!
I bet you will get practally all of them, with the exception of a very few, that although they mourn the lost of their love ones, they are proud that they selfishly served our country and that they protected America from ruthless killers.
Steven Davis,If all you’re gonna give us the American voters is: “We could have done better than the Republicans on the War on Terror, and that your party is currently thinking up something to defend the American people in the mainland as well as those of us ALL OVER THE WORLD… then I must respectfully say sir that you are full of… HOT… AIR.Here’s a tip for the Democratic Party from yours truly, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
unselfishly served
My fault!
Iran and its puppet Hezbollah is felt to be a stronger and more relevant force then Al-Qaeda, Iran it is believed is controlling many of the incident happening in the middle east. Though Al-Qaeda with their ranting get the front page, it is Iran and the purse strings that has a control over Al-Qaeda.
Iran wishes for a regional war against Israel and the U.S., they promised Saddam support in the pre-invasion months and spearheaded a plan to use the invasion as an motive to bring actions that would bring Israel and the U.S. into a regional fight. What is happening in Lebanon with Hezbollah and in Palestine was a part of a plan that was discussed back in 2002. Iran and Syria are the two main players in this plan, they played Saddam to insure he would not simply throw up his hands at the thought of the invasion and abdicate his Presidency and allow full and free inspection of Iraq. They play G.W. Bush and in part Tony Blare to insure that the invasion would happen. Taking advantage of Bush’s obsession with Iraq and the plans of the P.N.A.C. Knowing that it would only be a matter of time till both Iran and Syria would face the wrath of the western power. Making it a war between the west and middle east, drawing in the other countries of the region even our allies of Egypt and Saudi-Arabia. The thought was that in a war with Israel it would be come a forced matter of the Arab counties against Israel.
There first attempt at this end was a less then predicted response from Israel, they had wanted Israel to invade and route the Palatines. Thus giving the excuse of aiding their oppressed brothers, but Israel out of character responded with only a few Helicopters attacks on a few key PLO buildings.
Their plan did fail in that we did not once Iraq was defeated attack Iran, so it was onto plan B.
“Here’s a tip for the Democratic Party from yours truly, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.”
CrusaderXWill -I do not represent the Democratic party. I represent only my self. I could give you a tip, however. Sometimes it is best to post when one’s BAL is below .10. I suspect you know what I mean…
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS
And your boys have done a great job so far. What are you going to do for an encore? Maybe total world destruction?
Are we still alive?Yes, in large part because of George W Bush!”
This has to be one of the most moronic statements that I have seen on any blog. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc.
BTW, I have a rock in my front yard that keeps dragons, demons and vampires from attacking the residents of the United States. How do I know that it works? You haven’t seen any dragons, demons or vampires lately have you?
Well said Scott. Paul F Rosell does serve up a buffet doesn’t he? Here is the one I liked. “The United States and Israel don’t do bad things on purpose. And we don’t start wars.” Paul? “…don’t do bad things on purpose.” So you mean that the foreign policy of Israel and the US is flawed but expect those flaws to be excused because they aint “intentional”? “…we don’t start wars.” Paul??? Iraq and Leabanon beg to differ!
Damn it Scott now I know where my rock went!
JR,You wouldn’t believe a terrorist attack occured until you become an eyewitness to another 9/11. I guess since you all seem to think that mass murder is the right of any Muslim extremist because of our support of Israel than you wouldn’t have a problem with us nuking Syria and Iran for supporting Hezbollah?Keep living in your ideal fantasyland my liberal friends!
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html
Some further information in a fresh link with Time.
It is interesting that the terrorists are Pakistani by heritage, Muslim males, 2nd and 3rd generation British citizens. So it’s not likely these guys were motivated by negative personal or family experience to offer themselves as suicide bombers. So why would they do this?
It would seem that a powerful brand of hate is being what is preached in the Mosques there.
WHERE IS THE TUMULTUOUS OUTCRY FROM THE “MAINSTREAM MUSLIM COMMUNITY?” NONE!!! Because they’re all sympathetic to terrorists! In their own sick demented way, they themselves feel justified when they send their kids to blow themselves up and take lots of people with em. But you never hear the sheiks doing that huh? I guess they’re too important to give their lives for Allah! Those motherfucking cowards! Let them pull off another 9/11! Let them! They’re not the only dangerous motherfuckers out there!
Ed
Why so full of hate this morning? It’s a beautifull day in KAKEland.
Remember, Pakistan-Friend, Saud Arabia-Friend, next time they destroy a hijacked airplane.
When was the last time (or even first time) that terrorist have made a declaration that they want to destroy America “because the hate our freedom”? Perhaps Bush, or for that matter Rhonda could provide a link.
Crusader Will says: “The only language they understand is the language at the barrel of a gun.”
Uh no crusader (nice and telling nic, a christian jihadist…)
The “bullet” language is the only one YOU understand. Remember why we called you “bullet boy”?
Because you threatened to put a bullet in Ed’s head? Remember? Or has the alcohol completely destroyed your memory.
Nice try crusader jihadist. We already knew your language, but had hoped your sabatical away from here had improved your attitude.
I see it didnt.
Wanna go for another death threat?
Jesus, and this guy is gonna be a lawyer? He ought to go into practice with his other “god guns and gays” buddy gmc.
The Greatest HoaxThe Jews have shown their true face as being the real “terrorists” in Lebanon, for all of the world to see. So something was needed by them to counteract that glaring truth. Hence, Bush’s pal Tony Blair, working with the Israeli Mossad, cooked-up this massive hoax for Arabs to bring down aircraft leaving Heathrow Airport in Britain headed for the United States. But not just any Arabs would do. They needed the Arabs that had been left-out of the “axis of evil,” the nuclear armed Pakistanis.Rice had made a trip to India and OK’d India to expand their nuclear arsenal, but the Neocon PNACers could not count on India to “take-out Pakistan” when the time came. So, what better way to include Pakistan than to make them the object of the Heathrow Hoax. 24 losers were not hard to find and recruit in Pakistan. The so-called liquid explosive did not exist, therefore there was no danger they might go it on their own.The FBI in Florida had drummed-up 7 losers supposed to bring-down the Sears Tower, but had displayed their losers too soon and the world could see just what the FBI was really doing. Those 7 boys could not blow-up a balloon, never mind even find the Sears Tower.This new Hoax is just what Karl Rove needed as the speech Bush read contained “Islamic fascists” plus a repeat of his favorite: “They hate our freedom.”This Hoax has legs: Even soda pop is now a “terrorist weapon.” Boom! Splash!The only crime in all of this has been committed by the true “terrorists; The British Government, The White House and their buddies, the Israelis.
The rest reads like a cheap paperback. Only this one includes inconvenience.
BTW
Rice had Israel give India our latest radar to guard against incoming Pakistani missiels. They don’t really trust Israel or us { wonder why? } so even with that radar they couldn’t be sure that they wouldn’t be next.
The Israelis sold that the Radar to the Chinese and even Rumsfeld was hot about that. That radar has the capability to blind our Regious {sp} class array.
The only sure way to deal with the Islamic world is to erradicate all of them. Similar to the way one deals with roaches and other vermin is the only way to deal with this human vermin.
All Muslims throughout the world are a threat. There is only one way to deal with this threat.
And we wonder why there are wars and people killing people.
(Refer to above 2 posts)
You don’t suppose the large number of Americans that advocate the killing of every Muslim might have something to do with their anger towards us.
Nah, must be our freedom.
Richard–
Substitute “communist” for “terrorist” and you have the position of the US government and a vast majority from about 1945 to 1995.
Turns out the Old Soviet Union couldn’t even subdue the Chechyns . . . but you won’t keep giving 50 percent of your income taxes to the military without a big scary threat out there, so big scary threats are manufactured for you.
This most recent “terrorist threat” is likely to help lieberman in his attemtp to brand his former dmorats as neo-Neville Chamberlains. Let the scorched earth campaign commence! rotflmosrfao
V.L.R.B!!
wschempel and Richard would have made Adolph proud!
So Joe Lieberman loses a primary and now CF can’t bring his thermos of coffee on a transcontinental flight?
Shit. If I’d known THAT was going to be the consequence, I wouldn’t sent that $25 to Ned Lamont.
The British plane plot is supposed to be a success for Bush’s war on terror?
Admittedly with our help, the British used intelligence information and police work to bring down cells of Islamic extremists. In other words exactly what the U.S. should be doing, RATHER THAN pouring billions into Iraq.
These arrests do not vindicate the Republicans, they illustrate the bankruptcy of their war on terror policies.
But the Repubs are thinking they can make political hay with this arrest. Think again folks… I wouldn’t count on that working one more time…
“There’s a sucker born evrey minute.” P.T. Barnum
V.L.R.B!!
Good one, CF! And my sympathies. My tinfoil hat is wondering. . .hmmm. . .
Folks, we’ve been up, down and sideways on the War on Terra and Iraq. Doesn’t it bother anyone that our supposed homeland securiy types didn’t even guess that onboard liquids could be used for nefarious purposes? That our stupid color-coded system isn’t anything more than a Fear Level index? That, to date, the only 2 terrorists have been caught and convicted by the U.S.–and one is a nutcase, whom the other says had nothing to do with him? That we’re wasting billions around the world with optional wars and Soviet-style gulags, pouring kerosene on the fire, rather than protecting the homeland?
Our national stance is nothing but clueless, reactive hostility. Uncle Sam is behaving like a cornered animal. They can’t guess any strategy in advance, because, it seems, they couldn’t care less. Condi Rice stated, falsely, that no one could have expected anyone to fly planes into buildings. Yet that information was well known before 9-11, even the August 6 PDB mentioned it!
Every attack, executed or not, is viewed as a political advantage for them, as a way of justifying their imperialist vision of foreign policy. As awful as it might be to contemplate, this is the kind of world they want. “Bring it on”!
A book was written several years ago called “Jihad v. McWorld.” Haven’t read it, but I endorse the implication.
These people are telling us that they have to–have to!–monitor all our communications to catch terrorists yet they can’t even prepare for–let alone thwart–a genuine attack. I guess it’s because they’re too busy turning America into a fascist military regime. That is, when they’re not searching dangerous 4-year-olds who turn up on the No Fly list.
Perhaps, on some level, they see this as protection–for themselves, anyway.
“Condi Rice stated, falsely, that no one could have expected anyone to fly planes into buildings. Yet that information was well known before 9-11, even the August 6 PDB mentioned it!”
Add to that the recently released NORAD tapes, where even they believed it was a drill.
Since most of the posters on this board are anit-Semetic and side with Muslims, one can only hope that all are flying on the same airplane when Allah leads the “ragheads” to all their virgins but that would be too much good fortune.
Since the moon is made of green cheese, one can only hope that the curds are melted by the sun, and land on Richard.
Richard,
Can you quote a single anti-Semitic comment from this thread or are you simply launching an ad hominem attack to make up for the lack of anything substantial to add to the discussion?
I highly doubt that you have any idea what you are talking about since you did not even spell Semitic correctly and seem to be unaware that the term Semite refers to a large group of cultures that includes not only the Hebrews but also the Arabs.
Anti-Zionism does not equal anti-Semitic. There are many Jews in the US and Israel that also condemm the terroristic tactics of the Israeli government that lead to the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and policies like the permanent exile of the Palestinians from the land that was taken from them while allowing the unrestricted immigration of Jews from any country around the globe. Are you suggesting that a Jew that does not support Zionism is also anti-Semitic? Or are you merely repeating what you have heard from Rush O’Hannity or Savage?
In fact, the only bigoted comment that I can pick out of the many posts is your insult to not only Muslims, but Christian Arabs and Sikhs which are not Arab or Muslim by using the derogatory term “raghead”.
I think an apt description for you would be redneck hillbilly whose knowledge of the outside world seems to be limited to what you hear on Fox News and read in a comic book, if you can even read you ignorant piece of white trash.
Great Scott! that was a good answer.
Can’t say anything except, “ditto.”
Scott – you just insulted redneck hillbillys.
More young middle eastern young men caught with a batch of tracfones. 1000 tracfones.
http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=5269589
“They also told officers they get stopped frequently and say they buy the phones for $20 and sell them elsewhere for $38.”
Sounds like certain people I knew who would buy cigarettes in the Carolinas and sell them in Boston in the 60s. And they weren’t even Middle Eastern!
Turns out that the White House knew of the arrest announcements last week . . . which means that1. this uniform message of “Dems are weak on terror” (see Rat Pobertson above) was planned ahead of time
2. Republicans see terrorist attacks as politically “good” for them; they see the upside of terrorist attacks
3. they could have help swing the election for their butt-boy Joe Leiberman, but instead they let him twist in the wind.
Nice friends you got there, Joe. They see your loss helping them more than your victory.
Sucks to be him.
Richard “favors” us with his droppings fortunately infrequently. He is a crank.
The Heathrow Hoax
The Neocon’s biggest scam so far, on their phony “terrorism.”
The Zionist-Jews have shown their true face as being the real “terrorists” in Lebanon, so we know how badly they’re willing to lie.
Something was needed by them to counteract that glaring truth in Lebanon. Hence, Bush’s pal Tony Blair, working with the Israeli Mossad, cooked-up this massive hoax for Arabs to bring down aircraft leaving Heathrow Airport in Britain headed for the United States.
But not just any Arabs would do. They needed the Arabs that had been left-out of the “axis of evil,” the nuclear armed Pakistanis.
Rice had made a trip to India and OK’d India to expand their nuclear arsenal, but the Neocon PNACers could not count on India to “take-out Pakistan” when the time came. So, what better way to include Pakistan than to make them the object of the Heathrow Hoax. 24 losers were not hard to find and recruit in Pakistan. The so-called liquid explosive did not exist, therefore there was no danger they might go it on their own.
The FBI in Florida had drummed-up 7 losers supposed to bring-down the Sears Tower, but had displayed their losers too soon and the world could see just what the FBI was really doing. Those 7 boys could not blow-up a balloon, never mind even find the Sears Tower.
This new Hoax is just what Karl Rove needed as the speech Bush read contained “Islamic fascists” plus a repeat of his favorite: “They hate our freedom.”
This Hoax has legs: Even soda pop is now a “terrorist weapon.” Boom! Splash!
The only crime in all of this has been committed by the true “terrorists; The British Government, The White House and their buddies, the Israelis.
The rest reads like a cheap paperback. Only this one includes inconvenience.
BTW
Rice had Israel give India our latest radar to guard against incoming Pakistani missiels. They don’t really trust Israel or us { wonder why? } so even with that radar they couldn’t be sure that they wouldn’t be next.
The Israelis sold that the Radar to the Chinese and even Rumsfeld was hot about that. That radar has the capability to blind our Reagis {sp} class radar array.
This may be the greatest hoax ever put on the American People.
Ben
I know that you’re working hard at it, but keep up with the dillusions, if it makes you feel better. After all , that’s what liberalism is about, feeling better.
Thank you Heckler. Coming from an insane idiotic brainless BushBot like you I take that as a complement.
Keep repeating the BushBot mantra: 9/11 … WMDs … Saddam flew the planes … Chalabi will rule Iraq easily … the deadenders are on their last legs … their last throes … dead civilians are the birth pangs of the new middle east …
Take some more of those Limbaugh whites …
ED,
Please don’t use hoax and jews in the same post, lest you be accused of being a “holocaust”-denier. I have a feeling that some of these “newbies” are actually that morty zeigler character in a new incarnation.
V.L.R.B!!
Did anybody see Randi Rhodes get trashed and look like a damn fool on Larry King Live by Neal Boortz!
It was beautiful to say the least. The Left needs better spokepeople who know facts and can articulate their platform better. No wonder why they are such a turn off to most people. They literally have nothing to say but bash the Administration.
People, mostly on the left, think that Terrorism started when Bush came to office and intitated a war against Islamic Terrorist in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In a recent poll, 33% of Democrats believe that Bush conspired to blow up the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11. Who is the robot?
Joe- 33%?Don’t believe everything you read in Mad magazine!
Has anyone noticed that Ed is very very anti Jew and anti Bush, yet the Bush haters in here NEVER correct him for his hateful diatribe?A very large portion of the AntiBush gang thinks exactly like Ed.And— those who dont think like Ed still refuse to correct Ed on his kooky conspiracy stuff or his anti Jew rants.
Yeah! A website like this:http://www.reopen911.org/
Leftist College Professor at the University of Wisconsin preaches it.
A third of U.S. public believes 9/11 conspiracy theory
By THOMAS HARGROVE and GUIDO H. STEMPEL IIIAugust 1, 2006
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.
The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they “personally are more angry” at the government than they used to be.
Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were “an inside job” – the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet – quickly have become nearly as popular as decades-old conspiracy theories that the federal government was responsible for President John F. Kennedy’s assassination and that it has covered up proof of space aliens.
Seventy percent of people who give credence to these theories also say they’ve become angrier with the federal government than they used to be.
Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is “very likely” or “somewhat likely” that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them “because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East.”
“One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right,” said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 commission.) His congressionally appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al Qaeda five years ago.
“A lot of people I’ve encountered believe the U.S. government was involved,” Hamilton said. “Many say the government planned the whole thing. Of course, we don’t think the evidence leads that way at all.”
The poll also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.
Conspiracy groups for at least two years have also questioned why the World Trade Center collapsed when fires that heavily damaged similar skyscrapers around the world did not cause such destruction. Sixteen percent said it’s “very likely” or “somewhat likely” that “the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.”
Twelve percent suspect the Pentagon was struck by a military cruise missile in 2001 rather than by an airliner captured by terrorists.
That lower percentage may result from an effort by the conservative Washington-based Judicial Watch advocacy group to debunk the claim. The group filed claims under the Freedom of Information Act and got two fill loops released from Pentagon security cameras.
“Some people claim they can’t see anything, but I see a plane hitting the Pentagon at incredibly high speed,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “I see the nose of the plane clearly entering the frame of one video and the tail of the plane entering the Pentagon in the other video.”
Many conspiracy Web sites have posted the video loops and report the films are inconclusive or were manipulated by the government.
“Some folks will never be convinced,” Fitton said. “But I’m hoping that these videos will dissuade reasonable people from falling into a trap with these conspiracy theories.”
University of Florida law professor Mark Fenster, author of the book “Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture,” said the poll’s findings reflect public anger at the unpopular Iraq war, realization that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction and growing doubts of the veracity of the Bush administration.
“What has amazed me is not that there are conspiracy theories, but that they didn’t seem to be getting any purchase among the American public until the last year or so,” Fenster said. “Although the Iraq war was not directly related to the 9/11 attacks, people are now looking back at 9/11 with much more skepticism than they used to.”
Conspiracy-believing participants in the poll agree their suspicions are recent.
“I certainly didn’t think of conspiracies when 9/11 first happened,” said Elaine Tripp, 62, of Tabernacle, N.J. “I don’t know if President Bush was aware of the exact time it was going to happen. But he certainly didn’t do enough to stop it. Bush was so intent on having his own little war.”
Garrett Johnson, 19, of Manassas, Va., said it was “well after the fact” before he started questioning the official explanation of the attacks. “But then people I know started talking about it. And the Internet had a lot to do with this. After reading all of the different articles there, I started to think we weren’t being told the truth.”
The Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University has tracked the level of resentment people feel toward the federal government since 1995, starting shortly after Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City. Forty-seven percent then said they, personally, feel “more angry at the federal government” than they used to. That percentage dropped to 42 percent in 1997, 34 percent in 1998 and only 12 percent shortly after 9/11 during the groundswell of patriotism and support for the government after the attacks.
But the new survey found that 77 percent say their friends and acquaintances have become angrier with government recently and 54 percent say they, themselves, have become angrier – both record levels.
The survey also found that people who regularly use the Internet but who do not regularly use so-called “mainstream” media are significantly more likely to believe in 9/11 conspiracies. People who regularly read daily newspapers or listen to radio newscasts were especially unlikely to believe in the conspiracies.
“We know that there are a lot of people now asking questions,” said Janice Matthews, executive director of 911Truth.org, one of the most sophisticated Internet sites raising doubts about official explanations of the attacks. “We didn’t have the Internet after Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin or the Kennedy assassination. But we live in different times now.”
Matthews’ Web site averaged 4,000 “hits” a day last year, but currently has at least 12,000 visits every 24 hours. The site, according to its online policy statement, is dedicated to showing the public that “elements within the U.S. government must have orchestrated or participated in the execution of the attacks for these to have happened the way in which they did.”
Participants in the poll were asked to respond to “several serious accusations that some people have made against the federal government in recent years.” Five conspiracy theories were described and participants were asked if each was “very likely, somewhat likely or unlikely.”
The level of suspicion of U.S. official involvement in a 9/11 conspiracy was only slightly behind the 40 percent who suspect “officials in the federal government were directly responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy” and the 38 percent who believe “the federal government is withholding proof of the existence of intelligent life from other planets.”
The poll found that a majority of young adults give at least some credence to a 9/11 conspiracy compared to less than a fourth of people 65 or older. Members of racial and ethnic minorities, people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11.
The survey was conducted by telephone from July 6-24 at the Scripps Survey Research Center at the University of Ohio under a grant from the Scripps Howard Foundation. The poll has a margin of error of 4 percentage points.
Even another crazy story.
People cannot name the year that 9/11 occured.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060809/od_afp/usattackspolloffbeat_060809145351;_ylt=ArnrtaXH3JkyylylPgoybNSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-
JRThe Iraq war never ended. Saddam NEVER signed a peace treaty, only a cease fire. Bush 1, Clinton, and W have all been at war with Saddam.Yes, Saddam started the Iraq war, and YES Saddam violated every part of the cease fire agreement.On the subject of Israel, if you think Israel had any choice in the current conflict I would like you to post it here.Israel has been wimpy, if you ask me.Israel has given “land for peace” countless times, with no benefit.Israel employs thousands of Arabs.Israel has several Arabs serving in Israeli government as elected officials.Israel is the good guy here, the tolerant, democratic state trying to live in peace.Islamic fascism seeks to destroy Israel.How do you suggest that Israel “make peace” with those who want the death of every Jew?Israel is making a big mistake in this cease fire agreement, war will not end until someone is defeated. Cease fire agreements are a tactical decision, they happen when one side needs to rearm and the other side looses its will to fight.Please name a cease fire that worked, ever, in history?Islamic fanantics started the current conflicts, period.Argue all you want that the West might not have responded well to the terrorist’s provocations, but we were provoked, countless times.
But Paul! We are killing innocent people. Nevermind that Clinton killed tens of thousands of innocent women and children himself. But that’s ok! It was done by bombs and Milosevic was a “real” dictator. Saddam wasn’t.
Nevermind that we almost started a huge war against China, when Clinton engaged in an act of war by bombing a Chinese Embassy and killing Chinese Citizens.
hmmm…. But Republicans supported Clinton. Oh well!
Joe- Elvis is still alive too, i saw the poll!
People actually believe that too gster. ;)
Joe,Count me as one of the people who don’t think our government had anything to do with 9/11. Count me also as one of the people who think Bush has repeatedly violated the articles of the constitution and should be brought up on charges. Count me as one of the people who think this administrations has repeatedly lied to us to further their agenda, oil, in the mid-east. Also, count me as one of the people who know when 9/11 took place: 2001
I guess 2 out of 4 isn’t bad JM, but would still be considered a failing grade.
Jesus, Joe- you manage to fumble math too?
THIS is the quality of those who shill the “scary terrorists” screed.
Bloggers I give you Joe Williams. Any takers?
Let’s review.
Joe just gave Walker a failing grade.
You are in good and growing company JM!
Hey you just failed Joe’s test JM. That’s minor.
Joe has called Ben H the scientist a poser and BS artist. He asserts that XXX is an evader. He outright called writerdog a liar. kfg is a cigarette smoking, subsidy collecting, drunken farmer!
Also, Joe Williams posted: “33% of Democrats” based on:
“A third of U.S. public”, and”More than a third of the American public”.
Joe seems to admire Neal Boortz.
Boortz called the prophet Muhammad “a phony rag-picker”, said Rep. McKinney “looks like a ghetto slut”, and much more.
Enjoy the text, audio and vids at,http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/nealboortz
Boortz is an *excellent* spokesperson for Joe Williams.
I’ll go ya further cos.
Joe is an advocate for the “fair tax”. A KNOWN cause celebre of Neal Boortz.
Joe is Neal Boortz a hero of yours?
Just got back from the islands, going through all the security checks took forever, glad I had a couple of hours at each lay over. Get used to it folks, this is not going to change in our lifetime. We’ve made plenty of enemies with our foreign policy and George’s misguided adventures in the Middle East. The one thing we can count on for sure is that there will more terrorist attacks on US soil. The Islamic culture is based on revenge and honor and paybacks are hell.
I think Communist Joe is feeling the heat a bit. That is why he lashes out irrationally like he does. Basically he has lost what little rationality he ever had.
By the way Joe – when is Commie WaterWalk going to see some private investment?
As for people think 9/11 was a hoax (which it was NOT) that is about as stupid as thinking Iraq had anything to do with it.