After 34 days, cease-fire is a start

The U.N.-imposed cease-fire between Hezbollah and Israel already has seen some violations. No surprise there. But overall, it’s holding, authorities say. What’s remarkable is how quickly Lebanese citizens began to head for home — or what’s left of it — in defiance of Israeli officials. Now the hope becomes that the fragile peace will last long enough to allow the international peacekeepers to move in and diplomats to work on the next goal — a lasting peace agreement. Unfortunately, sentiment in the region is that Hezbollah and its more than 4,000 rockets effectively won this 34-day war.
Posted by Rhonda Holman

33 Comments

  1. Ben Huie
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    It will be interesting to see what countries come forward to help the Lebanese - both with establishing order (peacekeepers) and with rebuilding. This will likely tell the Lebanese people who their friends (and enemies) are in the world.

    Also interesting will be the aftermath with all the unexploded ordnance throughout Lebanon. One of the issues that has been festering since our last invasion/occuption of Lebanon has been the mines planted throughout the countryside. Will we work with them to clear these? Will we provide them with the maps showing the locations of the land mines?

  2. Joe Williams
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    It’s Reload Time!

  3. Ed Friedemann
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    No, it’s time to bury the children.

  4. Ben Huie
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    I will wager that al-Jazeera will broadcast live from the scene as the rubble is cleared and corpses recovered. I doubt that the pictures will help US stature in the Islamic world. They will also likely lead to the fall of the Saniora government.

  5. Ed Friedemann
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Why should they? We furnished the killing tools and they know it.

  6. Ed Friedemann
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    They should lead to our disassociation from Israel.

  7. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    I agree that Israel is just waiting to reload with american made weapons. Probably back ordered.

    They probably need a little more lead time on their orders since bushco has driven up the world wide demand for arms.

  8. Nathan
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    The entire world was sitting around basically begging Israel to stop and for international peace keepers to go in and bring a cease fire…

    And now Hezzbolah declares victory?

    What a joke. I didn’t see them goading Isreal before the cease fire.

    And if they start this back up again(which I bet they will) everyone will be back to begging for Isreal to stop.

    What a sick joke. And you people support Hezzbolah?

  9. TRACY
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Yeah, Nathan. If that’s what winning looks like, then I’d like to lose.

  10. TRACY
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once ‘The Unnecessary War’…..Sir Winston Churchill

  11. Ben Huie
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Nathan - Israel showed that they can slaughter civilians with impunity. THAT is why each and every civilized government in the world sought an end to the carnage. NOT because of any targeting of Hizbollah.

    And you didn’t see Hizbollah goading Israel before the cease-fire? They constantly challenged the IDF to meet them on the ground. That is where the IDF suffered its casualties.

  12. Nathan
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Ben,

    You still make a great PR agent for the terrorists.

    “Slaughter of civilians with impunity?”

  13. Posted August 15, 2006 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    The US should immediately cut off the 3 billion in aid we provide so that Israel can buy our munitions and jets.

    It’s welfare for the rich masquarading as foreign aid. We pretend to help Israel, they pretend to “defend” themselves by stealing Arab lands, and our tax dollars are funneled to rich multinational defense contractors who support (contribute money to) Republicans.

    It’s a great system for the rich and powerful.

  14. Posted August 15, 2006 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Not only do they kill Arab civilians with impunity, Nathan, they also kill Americans.

    Rachel Corrie was standing in front of a Palestinian home in an orange vest holding a protest sign when an Israeli bulldozer just ran right over her.

    What?! You didn’t read about it in The Eagle.

    Well, it must have not happened then . . .

  15. J R
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Clearly the Israelis found Hezzbollah more formidable than they figured on.

    Investigative reporter Symour Hersh has an article in the New Yorker. Also he was on Hardball yesterday. He maintains that Israel acted at the urging of the bush administration. Lebanon was to be a pre-cursor…..a sort of trial run before the bush administration begins bombing Iran!

    One wonders if the Israeli reversal will give bush pause.

  16. Posted August 15, 2006 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Hizbollah won. The losers are the civilized world. In the peaceful religion of Islam you are either an extremist or neutral.

    The Lebonese by allowing terrorists to live among them and stockpile weapons in the basements of their hospitals and schools makes them part of the problem. They are no longer ‘innocent’.

    Allowing Iran to attack Israel with impunity through their Hizbollah mad dogs is another reason to abandon the UN and start taking care of business.

    First order of business is to wipe out Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

    Hank

  17. Ben Huie
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Impunity: im·pu·ni·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pyn-t)n. pl. im·pu·ni·tiesExemption from punishment, penalty, or harm.

    As in: dropping bombs and missles from 10,000 feet with no risk to the pilot.

  18. Nathan
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    Why don’t you give us a list on what tools we are allowed to use in war.

    Please let me know.

    It seems to me that you are under the impression that any side which seems to have better equipment is somehow worse.

    You let us know what you think is fair/right/just for Israel to use to combat terrorists?

    Sling shots?

    Let me guess, you also think that the attack by Israel was not “proportionate”

    So, what is the response?

    Should Israel tried to kidnapp 2 members of Hizbollah instead?

    Please Ben, instead of just neing critical, lets hear the actual extent of your argument.

  19. Ben Huie
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, perhaps if they had targeted Hizbollah rather than civilians, fleeing refugees (who were following Israeli orders to flee), hospitals, ambulances, food warehouses, UN posts, etc etc etc - often hundreds of miles from the front - I would be more sympathetic. However, based on Olmert’s statement that he intended to punish the Lebanese population I must take him at his word - the intent was to TERRORIZE the civilian population of Lebanon into submission.

    I guess he figures if he can routinely butcher his non-citizen subjects he should be able to do it elsewhere.

  20. Ben Huie
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    as for “Should Israel tried to kidnapp 2 members of Hizbollah instead” they had already kidnapped hundreds of Lebanese and have been holding them hostage for years.

  21. Paul F. Rosell
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    The major media acted as pawns for Hezbollah.I hope I am wrong, but since the terrorists have not been clearly defeated, no lasting peace is possible.http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

  22. Paul F. Rosell
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    TracyYour quote is out of context.Churchill thought that war “unneccessary” because the free world waited too long to react.A very small war with much fewer casualties could have stopped Hitler much sooner.However, “Peace in our time!” Chamberlins (and Tracys?) allowed Hitler’s power to grow.

  23. J R
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Let’s get you on record Paul.

    You are pretty much a shill for anything to do with bush. So let’s see just how on message you are.

    Seymour Hersh reports that the bush administration encouraged the Israeli action against Lebanon as a precursor to a US bombing attack on Iran. (Someone get me a link) It is his take that bush desperately wants any excuse to bomb Iran before he leaves office.

    Are you on board with that Paul? Are you ready to widen the US war of aggression in the middle east? And how do you think this would affect the terrorist creating hate that already exists in that region?

  24. Paul
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    WE JUST NEED TO NUKE ANY NON-CHRISTIANS ANYWHERE ON THE GLOBE! BRING ABOUT THE SECOND COMING! HALLEJUAH!

    ANY LEBANESE CHRISTIAN KILLED DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO LIVE WITH NON-CHRISTIANS!

    WAR!!!!!!!

    WAR!!!!!!!

    WAR!!!!!!!

  25. NATHAN
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    YEA! RADIOACTIVE GLASS!!!!!

    WHO WOULD JESUS NUKE FIRST!

  26. Paul F. Rosell
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    JRI think that Israel should take out the Iranian nukes.After all, Iran has threatened to destroy Israel, and Iran has committed several acts of war against Israel.Also, the current “cease fire” or truce or whatever, does not prohibit any action by Israel against Iran.Yes, my logic is simple:Just as FDR and Churchill went to their graves saying: “I told you so” concerning Hitler, I shall also go to my grave saying “I told you so” concerning radical Islam.Fanatic, Fascist Islam wants us dead.They will want us dead if we surrender.They will want us dead if we fight.They will want us dead if Israel is destroyed.They will want us dead if Israel survives.They will want us dead if you love them, JR.They will want us dead if you hate them JR.They will not like you in a box, they will not like you with a fox, they will not like you JR, my friend.They will not like you because you are not them!There, I am on record.I want Irans nuclear program stopped by any means necessary.However, it makes more sense for Israel to do it then for the US to do it, in my opinion.

  27. Ian Santiago
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    “Jesus Christ was not attacked by ‘Islamic fascists’ but by the ideological heirs of today’s rabbis. The modern creed of Orthodox Judaism is the same traditional Mishnaic religion as that of the ancient Pharisees who hounded, hunted, stoned [sic] and murdered Jesus Christ. Today, rabbinic fascists are at war with God and all those who love Jesus. One of Judaism’s seven ‘Noahide’ laws for non-Judaics prescribes the death penalty for ‘idol worshippers.’ Adoration of Jesus Christ constitutes idol worship according to the highest legal authority in Judaism, the Mishneh Torah of Rabbi Moses Maimonides.” ~ Michael Hoffman

    V.L.R.B!!!

  28. Posted August 15, 2006 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Paul F. Rosell,

    Here’s the link JR (and I) want you to read, and then comment on.

    ‘Washington’s interests in Israel’s war.’http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/060821fa_fact

  29. Paul F. Rosell
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    WOW Paul you are a kook!

    I kinda figured but thank you for signing the kook register.

    A foamy “they want us dead” rant topped off by some Dr. Seuss?

    I hardly know where to begin!

    “Israel should take out the Iranian nukes”

    What nukes? You mean the facilities that may be capable of producing one?

    “Iran has committed several acts of war against Israel”

    Paul? Even the loudest call they might make against Israel does not an act of war make. Iran has not overtly attacked Israel!

    And then with the “they want us dead ” screed. Honestly do you REALLY believe that? Or is it just to scare people into voting Republican to address the “threat”. If you REALLY ARE so scared it is a wonder you venture outside….or post here! An angry Muslim might see!And you use your real name!

    I do conrgratulate the little Seussism. Finely some proof that you are not entirely devoid of creative thought.

    I’ve no fear of Muslims, or foxes for that matter.

    They (Muslims or foxes) would have to come get me. There are ways to address that besides launching regional wars. In fact launching a regional war might get my kid over there for them to kill or destract the government from the already ignored borders.As to boxes, I don’t want to see anymore Americans in them. Neither do I want folks like you to put me in one to “protect me”.

    —–
    JRIranians were definately advising Hezbollah in Lebanon while Hezbollah was attacking Israel.I consider that an act of war.The Iranian President has called for the complete destruction of Israel.I take him at his word.Yes JR, radical Islam hates us, you included.Have you seen the signs that “peaceful” Moslems were carrying in London recently:”Exterminate those who Slander Islam”"Europe is the Cancer, Islam is the Answer”"Islam will dominate the world.”"Europe, take some lessons from 9-11″—Let us be clear, I do not advocate killing every Moslem or bombing every Mosque.I do wonder why we see so few Moslem leaders speaking against the hate and the war drums from the radicals. I do not advocate killing Moslems whose only sin is cowardice or silence.However, when a radical Moslem group states their intention clearly, I take them seriously.Churchill and FDR felt the same way about the words Hitler used.Chamberlane and other dupes cost millions of lives by delaying the response of the allied forces against Hitler.Those who believe that we can make peace with radical Islam are as guilty today as Chamberlane and his naive followers, claiming “peace in our time” as Hitler rose to power.Radical Islam causes terrorism.Terrorism will not go away until the West proves to the Moslem world that terrorism won’t accomplish anything for them.The pacifists on this Blog dont sound much different than pacifists throughout history.You think that we deserve the anger and hatred of the world, and you want to reward our enemies by changing US policy.I do not claim that the US is perfect, but we are closer to perfection than any other nation on Earth at this time.I do claim that radical Islam would still hate America, even if America were perfect in the eyes of JR.

  30. Paul F. Rosell
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    IanNot all Jews agree on everything, and your radical Jew-bashing reduces your credibility.

  31. Paul F. Rosell
    Posted August 15, 2006 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    IanNot all Jews agree on everything, and your radical Jew-bashing reduces your credibility.

  32. Joe Williams
    Posted August 16, 2006 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Ok!

  33. Ed Friedemann
    Posted August 16, 2006 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Paul, Your radical Sucking-up to Jews reduces your credibility.