Women respond to Times article

A lot of women responded to a New York Times article, which Phillip referred to in a blog item Saturday, about females outperforming males at U.S. universities. Here are some excerpts from their letters to the editor:
– “Let’s face it: men are performing as they always have, but now they are being compared with what has conventionally been, whether explicitly or implicitly stated, considered the ‘weaker’ sex. The simple truth is that women work harder because we have to; men coast because they can.”
– “Young women work hard to take advantage of the opportunities that they were once denied — and this is a social crisis? Even when women demonstrate motivation, energy and brilliance, they still face cultural barriers that block their career paths. Women work hard, but where’s the payoff?”
– “Young women have ’stepped up’ and are outpacing men in college. When will our society ’step up’ by hiring them?”
Posted by Melissa Cooley

15 Comments

  1. CrusaderX
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    The fact that one is a woman makes it easier for one to get a job. Thisis especially true if the employer is male and said female employee is attractive. Why is this so? The raging feminists shall ask. It is quite elementary; it is but a case study of human nature, or more specifically the nature of men. The common man desires women; this is obvious. Man desires large quantities of women; and not just any women! No! The common man wishes to surround himself with many beautiful women which is ideal for the many stressful environments heexists in. (a la the workplace) Sothe next time my fellow males apply for a job and they see attractive women with equal credentials to themselves; and they get passed over for the chic femme fatale, just remember…Crux told ya so!

    A shot for me, and the bottle for my homies. Yeah.

  2. Joe Williams
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    I say there are some women that work hard. But to suggest that there is a motivation behind women out performing men in college is a product of gender inequities is far from it.

    I have to disagree that men have an easy life and coast. In reality, most women have it easier than men, especially during college. While there is exceptions to the rule, many women in college have been set up with grants, scholarships, trust funds, and parents that they don’t have to work during college or worry about a paycheck.

    I’m not saying that men don’t have it the same, but women are far more better off in that position then men. College is very tough and very expensive and many people will find it extremely difficult to get the opportunity to go to college, especially men, especially if you have to work straight after high school to make a living. Basically women are more taken care of then men are.

  3. .morg
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    I think the nature of work has been changing for 40 years.It seems women are a little more adaptable to new type of jobs being created.There does not seem to be hordes of Feminazi’s blocking my attempts to improve my job prospects.As a male what I find is a hindrance are:GlobalismOutsourcingOff shoringIllegal Immigrants that will work for half of what I will.Everything else is nonsense, something that is put out to confuse the real issues

  4. Heywood Jabuzzoff
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Excellent post, Morg!

    Increasing numbers of educated and trained women is to be feared?

    Because they’ll be more productive, increase wealth and economic growth, create new jobs and generally improve society?

    Yes, what we’re seeing is the Republican message again–BE AFRAID of terrorists, of immigrants, of gays, of smart women.

    But continue a war without end in Iraq that kills your children or your fathers . . . don’t worry about that at all . . .

  5. Mary Caruso
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Someone once said that “in order for a woman to succeed, she had to do a job twice as well as a man, and fortunately that’s not difficult!”Face it, were made of differnt stuff. In my experience, women are more attentive to detail, are more disciplined, and more motivated to do well at any given task.

  6. Julie
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    I echo Mary’s ideas. I once interviewed for a job, clerical in nature and I was told in this interview that they found females especially those with children were the best suited for this position because it required much multi-tasking. They had tried to hire males but they couldn’t adequately perform the job duties. Of course we had male supervisors that had NO idea how to do our jobs but proceeded to tell us anyway :).

    As for Joe’s idea that females are coddled. I wish darlin’ I really wish. I graduated with a 3.25 average from high school. Not good enough for scholarships and my parents made too much money for the ones I did qualify for. Thankfully my parents did help me out w/ college tuition however I still had to work to support myself. At one point I was working 3 jobs to make ends meet. I was a part-time bank teller, I delivered pizzas and I worked in my church’s nursery during evening services. All my time was devoted to school or working. I am so glad I didn’t have hubby or kids at that time because I couldn’t have done it and I have SO much respect for the parents who ‘go back’ especially the single parents.

  7. Posted July 17, 2006 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Most of the issues with males in schools is the failure to recognize the fact the Girls and Boys are DIFFERENT. Boys fidget, roughouse and are visually stimulated. Teachers are taught that is bad, roughhousing is labeled “Sexual harrassment” or ADD and they are medicated.

    When you have groups such as the Leftist American Association of University Professor AAUP running such thngs you know what you will get.

    Here is a list of the agenda from the NEA Web Site for the year. One would think that somewhere in their goals you would find something about, you know, EDUCATION:

    * A nuclear freeze;* The development of a national energy policy that stresses conservation and “reduces dependence on foreign sources of energy”;* The establishment and maintenance of federal wilderness areas;* Stronger federal action in solving the problem of toxic waste dumping;* A tax-supported, single-payer (i.e., Canadian-style) health care plan for all residents of the United States, its territories and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico;* A moratorium on capital punishment at the state and federal levels;* U.S. participation in and equitable financing of the United Nations and related bodies;* A progressive tax system and restoring the estate tax.

    -last year, the NEA spent $25 million on “political activities and lobbying,” and another $65.5 million on “contributions, gifts and grants” to other left-leaning groups

    Im thinking someone may be in need of visiting one of the lefts favorite spots….”Re-education camp”…

  8. sluggo
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    mr.bill have been listening to rush and snorting draino again? bad mr.bill……….booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom!

  9. Heywood Jabuzzoff
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    I call BUSHIT on Mr. Bill.

    Here’s the NEA homepage of today–

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  10. Heywood Jabuzzoff
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    As Mark Twain said, if you don’t lie well, don’t bother to lie at all. A bad lie will be believed no sooner than the truth.

  11. J M Walker
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Just an aside, but has anybody noticed when they show a picture of a woman on this blog, other than some aged political hag, it’s always a babe. Hell, I though that only applied to sports crowds. Why not photograph some wrinkled blimpo, er, excuse me, gravity challanged female . . . with mucho warts?

    Naaa . . . wouldn’t sell!

  12. Posted July 17, 2006 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    mrbill…….that big bad boogie-man, the NEA is going to get you! Maybe you should try digging a hole in sand, stick your head in it and have hannity, limbaugh and o’reilley fillit in for you.

  13. outlander
    Posted July 17, 2006 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Divide into groups. Racial, ethnic, income, religious, sexual, Mets fan, Yankee fan. Stir up feelings of anger. You just thought you were happy. Hey, we aren’t getting ours!

    Pimp your group’s cause. Enlist your media outlets. It just isn’t fair! Talking heads keep those fires burning. Lies don’t matter. The ends justify the means. After all, we’re not getting ours.

    Change the system… Look, we’re getting ours now and more. But they’re not. Who cares? That’s politics.

  14. heartlander
    Posted July 20, 2006 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    As Flounder said, in Animal House, “Women, you can’t live with them, you can’t live without them.”

    Women can say the same thing about men.

    But as for boys, and mrbill’s comment, “Boys fidget, roughouse and are visually stimulated. Teachers are taught that is bad, roughhousing is labeled “Sexual harrassment” or ADD and they are medicated,” we can also add, boys are EXPLORERS. They are RISK TAKERS. They are NAVIGATORS and LEADERS when the terrain is UNKNOWN.

    Schools, whether public or private, are not designed to foster boys’ gifts. They waste boys’ gifts.

  15. heartlander
    Posted July 20, 2006 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Furthermore, conventional education is really holding boys back in academics. In almost every Advanced Placement course, boys’ average scores are higher than girls’ average scores. To wit, girls who can’t pass AP exams, are encouraged to enroll, while boys who can pass AP exams are discouraged or disallowed to take AP courses. This gives girls a leg up in college preparation: even students who fail AP exams get some pre-introduction to college coursework.