Signed in May, the Darfur Peace Agreement is not holding. Meanwhile, four of the Bush administration’s top five most important figures on Darfur, including Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick, have resigned or left for other posts. New York Times columnist Nicholas D. Kristof, who won a Pulitzer Prize this year for his reporting on Darfur, has called for the president to appoint James Baker or Colin Powell special envoy on the issue. He has other substantive suggestions — such as a no-fly zone and help for the African Union force in Darfur. And “we need to press Europeans to become more involved and to remind Arabs that the slaughter of several hundred thousand Muslims in Darfur is every bit as worthy of protest as cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.”
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it’s a sad state of affairs when we willingly send troops to Iraq (what was the reason again?) yet ignore blatant human rights violations such as Darfur.It seems to me that we are more interested in helping countries that can help us rather than helping countries that NEED our help.
Even sadder (is that a word?)We are all over the Rolling Stones thread, but nobody gives a tinkers damn about genocide.
What in the hell is a tinkers damn anyway?
A “tinker” is another name for a metalsmith. They used to travel from town to town and homestead to homestead to see if any old pots and pans needed fixing. They had a shaping device that they would insert into the pot or pan and hammer the pot/pan back into shape or form a new one for useage. This device used was a “dam”.
Hey, is it our fault they don’t have oil?
(heavy sarcasm)
Damn. Col. Mustard beat me to it.
Where’s the UN? Oh, that’s right, they’re too busy hanging with Hezbollah.
Boots on the ground are needed along with a little air support. The AU should provide the boots; the EU the air support.
It seems the world is more upset that Israel is killing terrorists at the moment.
I heard a great sarcastic comment from a DR treating an infant with phosphorus burns: “He must be Hizbollah”
File that one right next to the Israeli kid with his legs blown off. It’s his own fault for being a “zionist” read: Jew.
Ben,
[sarcasm]Things would be so much simpler if everybody just caved into terrorism…[/sarcasm]
The last 6 comments are all you need to know about why Darfur is being ignored.
Actually, Sam Brownback has spoken up frequently on this issue, as well as slavery in many parts of Africa.
Yeah, Paul. Too bad he’s become such a wingnut that he’s lost all credibility with anyone capable of abstract thought.
Where is JR?
I want to see him ask why we should do anything for Darfur when they are not doing anything for us.
JR is trying to think best how to help these people.
GOD doesn’t say they have a right to a nation. Or at least they don’t claim that.
These people also don’t have any oil, or strategic interests to exploit.
SO JR has been trying to figure out just how to put together a post as to how there is any chance the US will ever help them.
Keep subjects on their proper thread Nathan. I did not ever say we should never help a nation unless we can get something out of it. ThAT is a conservative position.
I said over on the Israel thread that we must measure our help for a country against what it costs us. So far as I know, helping these people HAS no cost.
I say that we CAN’T help africans, they are beyond our help. Those people will always be killing each other and fornicating themselves into disease, poverty and famine. There is only one real solution but it will never be implemented because of insane egalitarian fantasies.
viva La Raza Blanco!!!
TracyRather than compliment Brownback, you have to call him names. Even when someone agrees with you on a subject like Genocide, you can’t find it in your heart to applaud his efforts?Frankly, Trace, that says loads about YOU!It also says quite a bit about Revs Sharpton and Jackson that they don’t seem to give a rip about Blacks killing Blacks and Blacks enslaving Blacks. (In Africa or in the United States.)It doesn’t help the “poverty pimps” political cause much to point out the faults of anyone but white people.However, as soon as U.S. troops go to Somalia and try to help, we will see Sharpton and Jackson all over the place, if we have to kill the Black war lords in order to feed the Black children.I say we send “Dr. Huxtable” over there as Ambassador, and back him up with all the military muscle he needs to get the food delivered.But we WILL have to kill some people to make this happen.Are you ready for that libs?
Europeans are too lazy to do anything and if you expect the U.N. and their moron leader Kofi ANUS to do anything..your kidding …right?
Paul is correct – Brownback has been on the right side of this issue for some time.
We can’t do much of anything because Irag and all the other escalating problems in the Middle East has stretched us so thin, now Bush is sending even more troops over there to that hell hole he helped create. We have little or nothing to lose if millons die in Darfur, we need them for nothing, so this administration doesn’t give a damn. It’s too bad there’s no oil there, then we’d be all over it like a crow on a junebug.
Mary,So if a country has oil then we can’t protect them from atrocities?Saddam used to boil people and rape wives in front of their families.But they had oil, so we should not have tried to stop it right?
We aren’t helping out Darfur right now because Israel needs America right now, and we all know…ISRAEL IS OUR DADDY. Yep! We’re fulfilling God’s Will by letting Israel take over the world through military force! YaY! Don’t you just love those evangelical whackos who espouse this idea!?
HEAVY SARCASM…
I’m not sure I get your drift, Paul. Sadamm committed atrocities for years and we let it go, but when 9/11 happened that gave the green light for Bush to invade Iraq under the facade of stopping terrorism and the non existant threat of WMDs. It was an excuse to overthrow the regime, put in a government that would be more friendly to the west, stablize the area, and maybe establish a base there, all in order to keep the oil flowing. The problem was that Bush and his cronies are ignorant and didn’t predict the islamic response to our invasion. The idea that they would greet us with flowers was stupid and idealistic, they never really thought out the difference in the culture and mindset of the muslim people, which has lead us into this no win mess we’re in right now.We would not make a serious intervention in Darfur, because we have nothing to gain from it. If they were sitting on the second largest oil reserve in the world, like Iraq, then I believe we’d be all over it for obvious reasons.
Why do you think we went to Iraq? Why do you think we’re not in Darfur?
MaryA completely unselfish country wont survive very long.America has national interests and should only go to war when our national interests are threatened.Having said that, I still think we could do something in the Darfur region.Frankly, I think Sudan, Somalia and the Darfur area are ripe for Osama and other terrorists, and a little good will there towards Americans would maybe save us even harsher battles down the road.Now to the oil question.— and the Iraq question.Was Clinton wrong to bomb Iraq?3 US Presidents were at war with Iraq, and Saddam laughed at all three of them.Saddam assisted the bombers in the first WTC bombing.Saddam financially supported and trained terrorists.There WERE WMD’s in Iraq which were moved to Syriahttp://www.nysun.com/article/26514
Ok, now to the BIG question: I dont think we went to war over oil alone or wmd’s alone, but what is so wrong about going to war over oil?Oil revenues finance terrorism.If Hitler had controlled the Mid East (actually many Arab leaders, who hated Jews, did side with Hitler) Anyway, if Hitler had control of such vast oil reserves and oil revenues, wouldnt that have been a real threat to the Allies in WW2?Oil heats hospitals, powers ambulances, feeds people, manufactures lifesaving drugs, harvests crops.Making sure that terrorists dont control the worlds oil supply IS in the American National Interest.Millions upon millions of people will die if Mid East oil were complete cut off.The loss of Mid East oil would cause far more American deaths than have been lost in Iraq.In addition, oil revenues in terrorists hands will soon be used to buy the nukes that will definately kill millions of us.
Don’t come over here selling that “WMDs were shipped to Syria” crap Paul. The New York Sun, Sean Hannity,and the American thinker are not the most credible of sources.
The idea that the WMDs were moved to Syria suggests that the run up to and prosecution of the war on Iraq was the greatest military blunder in history! We had total sattelite surveilance and air control over Iraq. I think any large convoys streaming out of the country would have been noticed don’t you? What they were just allowed to go?
Stick with the bush was wrong about WMDs. It makes him look slightly less incompetent!
The funny thing JR is that they managed to do it right under our noses. After all, we owned the skies; we would have interdicted anything they tried to move.
I’m writing a book in which I reveal the TRUTH about where Saddam hid the WMDs. I want everyone here to buy it. Saddam launched them all to Mars!
“Saddam launched them all to Mars!”Ya, I think rover 1 photoed them awhile back. I think it was also the New York Sun that wrote Bush was planning an invasion of Mars, but dropped the plans after finding out there is no oil on the planet.
Remember – we all know that Mars is inhabited by REDS! They have been helping Saddam all along!
Paul, you need to check your sources, there is no proof whatsoever that Sadamm was recruiting and training terrorists BEFORE we invaded. He was struggling to keep his own infastructure together and was starting to lose touch with reality. It would have probably been just a matter of time before he was overthrown by his own enemies. It’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, but this whole crisis could have played out differently if our administration had their heads on straight. We haven’t come close to ending the threat of terrorism, in fact we’ve just fueled it even more, plus lost the respect of many of our allies. I really feel sorry for the next president, what a mess to clean up.
MaryLook up Salman Pakhttp://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/salman_pak.htm
again, if you dont like my link, type in Salman Pak into your browser and pick your own link, their are thousands of them.
Salman Pak was a WMD manufacturing center close to Bagdad.
One other thing about Salman Pak: it contained the fusalage of a Boeing commercial airliner. This was used to train hijackers.
Also, the First WTC bombers definately asked Saddam for help after the bombing.
Also, Saddam gave loads of money to Hamas and PLO suicide bombers in Israel.
Mary, check YOUR facts.
On the WMD issue, what was Bush supposed to do to STOP convoys from Iraq to Syria? If he had done anything you would have screamed that he had gone to “war” without authorization! (ignoring the fact that 3 US Presidents had been in a constant state of war with Iraq.)
Paul – I see you continue to trot out the same discredited claims about WMDs to Syria. We were patrolling a No-Fly-Zone over Iraq for years; it would have been child’s play to interdict any such shipments. Then you “back it up” by saying we cannot “prove” it didn’t happen. Of course, you cannot “prove” that he didn’t launch them to Mars either. Buy my book.
Another comment about WMDs – and particularly about manufacturing them. It is EXTREMELY difficult to decontaminate such a site just to OSHA/EPA standards and virtually impossible to decontaminate to non-detect levels. So, where are the manufacturing facilities? Why have they not been found and characterized?
You might try asking a Certified Haz Mat Manager about the difficulty in clean-up.
BenI am more apt to believe that the materials were shipped out by truck than by airplane.Even so, during the run up to Operation Iraqi Freedom, Bush was not shooting everything that moved in the air, and certainly we and our allies were not shooting up every truck convoy on the ground.Actually, I dont believe we attacked ANY ground shipments prior to Iraqi Freedom.
WMD Syria” got 453,000 hits
Paul no one is buying it!
You can get up on top of your house and I’ll give you a megaphone and you can shout to the heavens that “the WMDs were moved to Syria” and the only people who are going to buy it is a handful of nuts like you. It has no basis is logic!
It has been said that we tend to believe that which we WISH to be true. You are exemplifying that statement. It is clear that you WISH that WMDs had been found or that some were moved to Syria. This would make you FEEL better about having supported a president who lied to get America into a war over those imaginary weapons of mass destruction. So you have deluded yourself into making this a belief and a crusade.
While you are sharing with us the quirky boundaries of your strange little world, could you tell us what color the sky is in there?
Further, this thread is supposed to be about addressing the problem in Darfur. I call your continued shilling of your delusion here distractingly off topic and so somewhat inappropriate.
Agreed JR.Paul, How do you see this situation playing out? Do you honestly believe we will eliminate the terror threat with the tactics we are using now. Don’t forget that the Muslims are the fastest growing population in the world. We’ve made a lot of enemies with this invasion, and they don’t care if they die. How WOULD you deal with this mess in order to have a successful conclusion on our part? Do you think if we kill off most of the world we might come out OK?
According to Paul if you say a lie often enough it becomes truth “WMD Syria” got 453,000 hits”
I suppose that if I constantly reposted the bunk about Mossad doing 9/11 that would become truth too.
And PAul – how about the labs and manufacturing facilities? Did they miraculously disappear? Become immaculately clean by magic?
Funny thing about WMDs. Wouldn’t you expect them to be used when a country is backed into a corner? FOX News (Hannity) was suggesting that Hizbollah has a nuke. What I cannot understand is why they never get used. After all, if I were going down I suspect I would fire away whatever I had.
Do NOT bother a bushbot with logic Ben! It makes their heads explode!
JRYou go off topic all the time. You are not a good example of staying on point.Mary, are you aware of how many terrorist attacks we have seen around the world even before 9-11?Even the worthless 9-11 Commission said one worthwhile thing: “The terrorists were at war with us but we werent at war with them.”They hate us Mary, they hate us no matter what we do.The militant terrorists must be defeated.Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki was brutal but necessary, and we did not produce a bunch of American hating Japanese.Bombing Dresden probably wasn’t necessary, but it also had no “Anti American” long term effects. (Though the WhereWolves terrorists did kill Germans who cooperated with America for nearly 7 years after the death of Hitler.)Darfur Can Not be solved without killing some people.We would have to pick sides in the civil war, and kill those who are using starvation as a military tool.Many of those war lords are Moslem.JR, this Iraq talk is relevent, because you Dems have a habit of supporting war in the early stages and then “going wobbly.”Look at Vietnam, a JFK and LBJ war.Look at Iraq, a war that most Democrats voted for under Bush 1, Clinton and W, that never ended, through Bush 1, Clinton (who bombed Iraq and said Saddam had WMD’s) to George W.Before we launch a humanitarian mission, which I fully support, to help those in Darfur, I would like to have some promises from the left that they will see it through.Frankly, your track record sucks.
Still, Paul, I don’t see how the present tactics are going to be successful. There is such a difference in the culture between the Germans, Japanese, and the Islamics. The same tactics that forced Germany and Japan to it’s knees simply isn’t going to work this time. Like Trudy Rubin points out, Islam is a culture based on honor and revenge, they don’t care if they die for their cause, in fact, they welcome it. How do you defeat a culture that WANTS to die in order to blast into paradise? That’s the danger of religion, it motivates those who have nothing to lose at all costs. Those of you who think we’re on the right path of defeating terrorism by invading the Middle East and overthrowing their regimes are not looking at the big picture here. I wish it could be so simple.
Japan attacked the US. Germany declared war on the US. Their people all knew this. By 1945 the people of both countries realized that they had initiated the hostilities against the US and the rest of the world. That set the stage for the rebuilding and reconciliation in those ocuntries.
Iraq DID invade Kuwait – after being given the green light by the Bush 1 administration. This came after they served the US in their wars against our enemies in Iran and the Kurds. Iraq has never attacked US soil.