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I pwn3d this thread. ;)
WHAT THE….? :-}>(notice my guy has a goatee)
I am reposting a statement I made in “Why so hush-hush about schools doing well.” I posted On July 21, two days after people left the blog, and so my entry was not read or commented upon. One correspondent posted some false information, and the record should be corrected, because you, my fellow bloggers, at least most of you, don’t want to be misled by bogus propaganda. I’m not accusing the false-information poster, Prospero, of deliberately trying to mislead anyone, he just used a false- information source. Here’s my reposted rebuttle:___________________________________________Prospero
RE: Realtor’s glowing praise of Wichita schools’ students’ performance
“For two years in a row, the Wichita school district has produced nineteen national merit scholars. For this school year, The National Merit Scholarship Corp. announced in September that 22 Wichita school district students qualified as semifinalists. Impressive? You bet! This education has to rate an “A+” in anyone’s grade book.
http://www.homes101.net/kansas-realtors/wichita-c1125/“
REALITY CHECK:
This isn’t what USD 259 has reported. It states that there were only SIX USD 259 NMS Semifinalists announced last fall:
http://www.usd259.com/news#Six_students_named_National_Merit_semi-finalists
“The 2006 National Merit Semi-finalists are Tyler Danaver, Kaitlin Henderson, Whitney Lohrenz, William Wheeler and Elisabeth Wright, East High School and Dane Saksa, Southeast High School. ” [these are Class of 06 May-graduated students]
Of the six semifinalists announced in fall of 2005 only ONE, Kaitlin Henderson, received an NMS program scholarship. Earth calling Realtors: 1 is 95% short of 19. As for the Realtors’ claim that “22″ Wichita School District students were semifinalists, 6 is 73% short of 22.
Personally, I recall consistently seeing many more than six NMS semifinalists reported in the Eagle in past years, but there have never been 22 USD 259 semifinalists in any given year in the past five years, based on WE reports. For example 16 USD 259 students were named semifinalists in fall 2004.
As for two perfect ACT scores scored by USD 259 students, that is unsubstantiated as well by the Realtors, but more importantly, it may well be true. But here’s the thing: I was in Chicago last spring and read in the Tribune that 33 Chicago-area students scored 36’s. Assuming roughly ten times as many students in the Chicago area as in Wichita, 2 Wichita students’ scoring 36’s doesn’t indicate anything beyond statistical normality. Chicago has a far higher percentage of African-American and Latino kids than Wichita, as well as other low-income students.
For a truly impressive performance, consider that Lincoln HS in little Sioux Falls, South Dakota, had 14 NMS Semifinalists in 2004-05.See:www.nationalmerit.org/05_annual%20report.pdf
According to The School Report at homefair.com, the Sioux Falls School District’s three high schools had 17 total NMS Semifinalists, out of a total district enrollment of 22,000, i.e. less than half of USD 259’s enrollment. To achieve parity, USD 259 would have to have about 38 semifinalists.
I’ll leave it to readers to decide whether they want to believe district and Eagle-reported facts or Realtor-reported feel-good puffery.
On another thread, somebody posted about “f***ing morons”. The people who elected Bush weren’t morons. But they were people who were largely non-readers. Non-readers does not equal morons. Most people here are readers. I am. My wife is. I taught my kids to be. I don’t mean “basic readers”. I mean people who love to read and absorb written knowledge.
According to this commentary, Bush is not a reader.
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-chait16jul16,1,2940110.column?coll=la-news-columns
Laura Bush, a librarian, must be a reader, but her husband is not. He connected to a millions of non-readers in his political campaigns. I don’t mean illiterates. I mean people who don’t like reading 5 page letters and memos. They don’t have a strongly-developed phonetic-alphabet-to-inner-hearing attribute. It’s natural for me, and for you, but a lot of Americans don’t have it.
The question is, in the 21st century, should non-readers follow non-reader leaders? If he looks after their interests, yes. If he doesn’t, then no. Bush got non-readers’ votes, but he isn’t interested in standing by them. Which they are now learning.
hearlander
I’m not going to waste my time reading anything from the LA Times so I don’t know what the column is about, but Bush is known to be an avid reader of historical biographies.
By the way, your post sounds pretty moronic. Generalities based on opinion backed up by zero facts.
“but Bush is known to be an avid reader of historical biographies.”
See:My Pet Goat
Perhaps, outlander, but is the life story of Alfred E. Newman really relevant?
No Heartlander. People elected Bush because of Party Identification, not because they don’t read.
Most people who align themselves as Democrats, and hence voted for or supported Kerry, probably couldn’t read. Because you are including much of the illiterate poor and immigrants. The MTV and American Idol generation who don’t even know what time the news comes on or ever heard of the Wichita Eagle.
I’m being ingenuous with my generalization, but I’m just giving you an example of what you are trying to say that people who voted for Bush are substandard to an informed public. It goes both ways buddy.
The rational explaination is just down right simple party affiliation. You vote Democrat, regardless if the candidate is any good or not. You would even vote for Gary Condit, James Trafficant and other bad Democrats for re-election. If you had Hilter as a Democrat running against Bush as President, with everything you know about Hitler, you would vote for him. That simple.
Same goes for Republicans. Bush sucks and most people know it, but he is a Republican and people who even think he sucks but are Republicans are going to vote for him anyways. It’s just the way it is.
Heckler,
do you want to be a dumb hinterland hick? I’ve never lived in New York or D.C., but I read the Times and the Post. I guess you want to delude yourself into believing that anything you need to learn is published here. Or published by the “fair and balanced” RW wing nuts. Like read the Yahoo reviews for “An Inconvenient Truth”. All the reviewers gave it a “B” or better, except for the NY Post, owned by “fair and balanced” Fox’s COB Rupert Murdock.
You must be a twit. Kansas was created by people WHO CHOSE NOT TO LIVE HERE. California was subject to proxies being sent by eastern capitalists’, but they realized, “This is a cool place. We can make it on our own.” They adopted the original 13 colonies’ inhabitants’ realization: we don’t need King George to tell us what do do.
Low-productivity colonies either have to become high-productive stand-on-their-feet zones, or else be peasant lands. I’m sorry that you’ve never lived anywhere else, so you’re knowledge-deprived, but nobody should follow you unless they want to be the blind led by somebody with 20-400 vision.
Ask Ben. We disagree on some things, but he’ll tell you why resource-poor and geographically- small Massachusetts is a lot more prosperous than resource-poor and geograhlically-large Kansas.
Joe, I’m sorry that you don’t know your history. Adolf Hitler was supported by the landed and industrial classes. The Daimler, Bayer, and Krupps families created his ascendance to prevent communism from taking over Germany. How do you think the Nazis developed world-leading war technologies before America awoke under FDR’s Democratic leadership? If Hitler were in America, he’d be a Republican. This is beyond contestation. Peasants didn’t invent Blitzkrieg tanks and planes that devastated France and Poland. Stalin only stopped Hitler because millions of cannon-fodder bodies beat high technology, just as will happen in our invasion of the Middle East.
PS. There were readers who made donations and voted for Bush. Like really rich people and wannabe-rich people. But they wouldn’t have come close to electing him. He depended on white non-readers. Not “f***king morons” or illiterats. But people who didn’t spend evenings reading 8 page essays with 4+ syllable words. I’ve got a “Webster’s New College” dictionary, an “American Heritiage Dictionary”, and if I want to examine original etymologies, an “Oxford English Dictionary ” with a magnifier to read almost-microfilm-sized print of more than 500,000 words. The last cost me $395. I also have a Merck Medical Dictionary. Most of Bush’s votes came from people who DID NOT USE DICTIONARIES. Joe, what dictionaries do you have, and when was the last time you looked up a word, in reading a Republican piece?
Heartlander You will not convince Joe that Hitler wasn’t a socialist. I have tried. Others have tried. The mere fact the National Socilialist German Workers Party contained the words “workers” and especially “Socialist” is enough to convince Joe that Nazi Germany was a rampaging pit of leftists.
Ironic.Joe posts of how some blindly follow their chosen party. But Joe himself is blinded by his automatic reaction to a mere word that triggers his dogmatic ideological defenses.
Massachusett has been losing population.
People think the all best of New England is such a mecca of hope, intelligence, and great economies. Far from it.
What makes them more populas, has everything to do with history. They’ve had a jump start of 250 years before Kansas ever got settled.
Wichita wasn’t incorporated into a town until 1870 with a population of only 100. Boston in the same year had a population over 250,000. New York City has a population of 1.5 million, Philadelphia had a population of 675,000, St. Louis had a population of 310,000, Chicago was 300,000, New Orleans had a population of 200,000, San Francisco had a population of 150,000.
All these cities had huge jump starts. So did California and the New England states way before Kansas was even first settled.
Kansas and the entire region of the Plains was labeled by New Englanders as the “Great American Desert”, so they decided it was a great place to relocate Native Americans from the white inhabitant lands of New England and the Eastern part of the US.
If it weren’t for the Homestead Act of 1862, signed by Lincoln allowing the nations most impoverished and the recently freed slaves to take up land for free to start a new life, who knows what Kansas and the West would be like. After being plotted, formed as a Terrority and eventually as a State did Kansas emerge, by the time it did, your precious New England states, the well educated and well read was so populas that Kansas was still that barren farm land they always thought it was.
Next time you mention that the East and West Coast are so advance and more prosperous than Kansas, please take account of it’s History. Because that plays a much more part than the politics.
I guess you really don’t know your history heartlander. Hilter was a die hard socialist. Leftist like Joe Kennedy was his buddy. The leftist “progessive” thought of the day was not to get involved in WWII and that Germany was ok and their eyes. Same retoric that you hear about the War against Islamic Facism now from the left.
Republicans don’t use dictionaries. Damn! You’re off the deep end. I mean really!
Keep on going. Please tell me your REAL feelings about Republicans. Let it all out. Don’t let nothing back. Tell me how you really THINK of them.
The byword here is really plutocrats: smalll cliques finalgling masses do things to empower and enrich the cliques.
Goverment by the wealthy class aye?
I guess the richest people in America are all Democrats. Kerry, Corzine, Soros and the list goes on and on.
Are you including your Democrats in the mix of the Plutocrats or are you just saying it’s a Republican Memebership Only?
Joe,
History IS politics. Discover why Spain gave its New Word now-US territory to France. And then why France sold it cheap to the young United States of America. Do you realize that in the pat 400 years, Kansas was “owned” by Asian-American immigrants, then euro-spaniards, then euro-French, then eruoenglish, who decided to bring euro -central and eastern Europeans here?
Heartlander vs. Joe Williams? This WILL be good!
heartlander
I choose not to read the LA TIMES because I want All the facts, not just the ones they choose to print. I want facts, not their opinion disguised as news.
You are so full of ASSumptions today that I can smell you through the keyboard.
Joe you are WAY outta your league.
My sense here is to stay out of it since it is already not a fair fight.
But I must point out here that the Bush’s made their fortune laundering nazi money to fund the German armaments industry. Industry Joe that is the keyword. German industrialists “made” Hitler.
It is a wonder how anyone or why anyone would even want to take the time to reply to your comments heartlander when they are full of complete, total, and unprovable assertions like:
“If Hitler were in America, he’d be a Republican. This is beyond contestation.”
Beyond contestation?
You have not even backed it up with any proof.
It is an absurd statement, meant to convey little more than your own contempt for the Republican party by insinuating that Hitler would have been one…made for probably no other purpose than to try and portray the Republicans as being like Hitler.
It is childish, it is silly, it is absurd.
Then you even end it by saying it is beyond contestation.
LOL
Oh LOOK Heckler is attempting to be witty and cutting!
Sorta like a walrus trying to tap dance.
Just what are YOUR preffered channels of information Heckler?
Heartlander,
Where do you come up with this stuff?
“Most of Bush’s votes came from people who DID NOT USE DICTIONARIES.”
How did you come to this conclusion I wonder…
PRICELESS!!!
(Well actually not! Nathan being a Price afterall)
It’s a trifecta of the absurd!
“You have not even backed it up with any proof”
Nathan? NO ONE has EVER proved anything to you. Not once. Not ever. The bar is too high!
It’s not going to be hearlander vs. Joe Williams, because Joe is engaged. He wants to learn. He wants the arena. Here is what I suggest. Build a nantech education and research center at WSU. Recruit some really smart people with endowed chairs. Local contractors will make money building labs. New blood will give us new ideas.
JR,
I see you have nothing of significance to add to the discussion.
I was speaking to heartlander. He made an absurd statement. Do YOU believe it?
Can YOU back it up?
I didn’t think so…
JR
Have a doobie and go back to sleep, it’s not 2:00 pm yet.
Well Nathan,
I think your problem was heart suggesting that if Hitler were alive today he would be a Republican.
Now if Hitler WERE alive today AND he had a choice ONLY between being a Democrat or a Republican…….then yes I say Hitler would choose to be a Republican. “Proving” that is of course impossible. Silly to even ask someone to prove a hypothetical. It’s an opinion. It is not an uncommon one.
WOW Heckler you are deficient in the shots department. Ya gotta borrow old ones from other people!
WOW Heckler you are deficient in the shots department. Ya gotta borrow old ones from other people!
JR,
The reason why it is even more absurd is the statement:
“This is beyond contestation.”
Heartlander is a pompus fool if he actually believes that.
Nathan,
Just for argument’s sake, can you refute it?
Frankly, I have no idea. I’m sure both sides have a fair amount of people who don’t use a dictionary.
BTW, if you want a good synonym book, forget Roget’s Thesaurus and pick of a copy of Rodale’s Synonym Finder. Sometimes even better than a dictionary.
I never met a Republican who was a collectivist. Never met a Republican that was into eugenics either. But then I’m just a reading challenged hick from Kansas, never been to Mass ich ussets.
And I gotta repeat mine.
I think I asked you what your sources of info were Heck. And you didn’t share……
JR,
You beat me to it. I was going to mention old Prescott Bush and ask how his contribution to Nazi Germany should be viewed.
Great minds think alike RD. Not the first time.
Hey JR, don’t bogart.I want to get them Chinese eyes too.
RD,
I don’t have to refute it. Nothing has been offered to refute.
Have any of you ever taken a course in logic? Argument? Speech?
Anything???
When someone says:
“Most of Bush’s votes came from people who DID NOT USE DICTIONARIES.”
Why is it my job to disprove that? How do I disprove it?
Do I go out and survey people who voted for Bush and then come back?
Why should I?
The statement it’s self is just plain silly and Heartlander has not shown anything to show where he derived that conclusion from.
Tracy I think a purple chicken went your way.
I think that if you look back through history you will find that “industrialists” through the ages align themselves with whomever is in political power. Works the same today for the most part.
Tracy,
I see you have nothing of significance to add to the discussion.
No I don’t, but I like talking to myself. Uh, typing or whatever.
If anyone else has anything insignificant, please jump on in here!! Tell me about your Grandkids, or how much you had to drink last night, anything but a bunch of bla, bla, bla from some pseudo-intellectual that takes themselves WAY TOO SERIOUS!
I saw the chicken this morning.
Well that’s enough from me for now.I gotta go watch my dog take a shit.
XXX, JR, I’ll wait in the car.You guys handle this!!
Ok TRACY ok
Just one more.
Heckler “idustrialists” are generally proactive. They do not wait to align themselves with who happens to achieve power. They put a person in power. This was the case in Germany. It was also the case to a lesser degree in the United States with bush.
And I can’t play anymore. There is laundry with my name on it. And before anyone pounces, I’ll say that that is meant rhetorically. My mom does not write my name on my clothes!
Republicans tend to be repelled by dictatorial leaders. Democrats tend to worship them, especially if they tend toward Communism.
2nding Tracy.
Paint dry or grass grow? . . . watching either one is more edifying that this thread, heh.
JR
Have fun washing your jammies.
Nathan,
Climb on down off your high horse. You didn’t even bother to read my post, so don’t go using your “logic” bullshit on me. It doesn’t wash. Your “logic” is no different than anyone else’s, nor is it any better. I neither agreed nor disagreed with heart’s assessment.
Kinda touchy, aren’t ya?
RD,
You asked:
“Just for argument’s sake, can you refute it?”
I answered your question.
Heartlander. It would be great to generate a nanotechnology department at WSU to spur a nanotechonology center here. Even the composite techonology area.
But this is going to be an uphill battle. So far the move for higher education is towards biotechnology. Sebelius made it a forefront of her agenda. Only problem is that Wichita will be completely left out.
The rich elites white Democrats that occupay the power structure in N.E. Kansas don’t want the rest of Kansas to benefit. Wichita is a bastard redheaded stepchild in their eyes. Because we are industralist manufactures and of course we have blacks, hispanics, and asians here. The elite rich Democrats don’t think to highly of minorities.
So all the Biomedical Parks and KSU and KU’s money and research grants will be located in Johnson County, which is 96% white. The White Fight mecca of the KC area.
Wichita will not get a single dime out of the biotech money from the state. It’s not meant for us.
I think the best sector is to focus on composite technology. The NIAR has a fine composite lab. You have to check it out sometime.
The future is in materials, transportation and energy. An area where composite techonology will benefit all three.
Hey JR! I have some Listerine Mouthwash for you. You know! So you can get that heartlander butt taste out of your mouth.
Nathan,”Most of Bush’s votes came from people who DID NOT USE DICTIONARIES.”
Just because you dissagree with a statement doesn’t make it wrong. Maybe in your opinion, but you need to PROVE it. Otherwise, your “opinion” carries no more or less weight than anybody elses.
“Have any of you ever taken a course in logic? Argument? Speech?”
Well isn’t that typical of a youngster? Nathan, most of us went to college, too. Unlike you, we have experience to back up our education. Book knowledge is useless if you don’t have experience to back it up.
I’m sure you got good grades in school. But the classes you mention along with $1.09 will get you a cup of coffee at QuickTrip in the real world. I have no idea what RD’s education credentials look like, but I know she writes books and has raised children. The raising children part would make her infinitely qualified to deal with you.
(OK Tracy, I’m getting back in the car, lol)
Joe, did you know that Listerine has alcohol in it? Might know you’d use alcohol! Next it’ll be cigarettes, then drugz.
Oh, how the mighty have fallen (or “falled” as Joe would say).
XXX,
Did you even have a point with all that?
So far the argument level from most everyone on the left on this blog can’t seem to get much higher than a 2nd grade name calling fest.
Look at almost every topic and all you get is some one liners making fun of Bush or calling people names.
Even you do little more than say RD is better than me because she raised kids.
You do nothing but try to discredit the poster.
Why don’t you actually try to debate or argue for a change?
“You have not even backed it up with any proof.”
I consider that asking for proof. As I said, for argument’s sake, disprove it.
It’s a damned opinion, and one I don’t buy into completely. There are illiterates and morons on both sides of the political spectrum. I’m certainly not going to argue that one holds the most idiots than the other or that one has more intelligence. Trying to back up either statement could take a while and, in the end, not prove a thing, either way.
But I will say that there are more free thinkers in the Dem party. Why else would they be called liberal?
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
We’ve been over this before with Nathan. At the age of 20-something, he has seen all and done all. Or at least read about it.
Experience is the best teacher. It doesn’t take a Masters Degree to have common sense. In fact, I’ve seen people who have them who have very little common sense.
Life teaches us a lot IF we’re open to learning.
Sorry, Nathan, debate wasn’t offered in my high school. More’s the pity for that. I was a Thespian.
“Same goes for Republicans. Bush sucks and most people know it, but he is a Republican and people who even think he sucks but are Republicans are going to vote for him anyways. It’s just the way it is.”
Joe you really hit the nail on the head with your post. That has become the problem. I tended to vote if I really did not know much or anything about the person based on the “R”. But I woke up, in part because of the invasion. It took this country taking an action that at my core seem out of touch to wake me. Suddenly I started paying attention and saw why it felt out of touch. From there it opened up and I saw much more then I would have suspected.
Now I find myself standing outside of the party sometimes scratching my head as to how this has gone as far as it has?
At least in part it is what you have said. We have become so partisan that in a real sense what you said of Hitler is close to being true. The majority would rather get their opinion based on a two second sound bite or being told a plain statement from what could be a equally uninformed source. That even when the reality does not fit the view. They hold to the view, ignoring the reality. Or anything that could shake their view. I had thought I was well informed, but the invasion and the vote for the amendment made me realize I was not aware of what was going on in my country and my state. I have not decide to change party affiliation quite yet. Mainly because the Democrats have not came up with any real plan that would make a difference.Which also shows they do not understand any better the core problems that are wrong today. They are still playing politics as usual, which may cause the problem to get even worst. The Nov. elections will be a good sign if the American people in general have woken up and want to change.
I have already decided that anyone with even a small affiliation with the R.R. or the Neo-cons will not get my vote. Though both tend to be dishonest when it comes to their affiliation and real intent. That is why they have gain so much power within this country and the party.If in 2000 Bush had said “If I am elected I will invade Iraq and ignore the real enemies of this country. To farther my own goals and those of a small group that wishes to change the very fabric of this country.” Would people have still voted for him? I would hope not but then as you said, because he ran on the Republican ticket most Republicans would have and ignored what he said. The Democrats would have been yelling from the mountain tops, repeating word for word. It would have been dismissed at Democratic lies and political spin.
Nathan, Nathan, Nathan,Of course I had a point “with all that”. The point is, just because you don’t agree with a statement or opinion doesn’t make you right, or the statement wrong. If you say it’s wrong, the burden of proving it wrong falls on you, otherwise, your opinion carries no more weight than the opinion you attacked. Simple logic.
“So far the argument level from most everyone on the left on this blog can’t seem to get much higher than a 2nd grade name calling fest.”
Based on what? Your opinion again? Just shows your hatred of the left and inability to carry on a reasonable discussion if it falls outside of the narrow peramaters set by what ever text book you studied out of. Another instance where a little experience would help you.
“Even you do little more than say RD is better than me because she raised kids.”
Nathan, I never said RD was better than you because she’s raised children. Show me where I ever said that. I simply said she’s infinitely qualified to deal with you because of that experience. I’d say you’ve decended to dishonesty to try to prove a point.
“You do nothing but try to discredit the poster.”
I call hypocracy.
You said:”So far the argument level from most everyone on the left on this blog can’t seem to get much higher than a 2nd grade name calling fest.”
Isn’t this statement an attempt to “discredit” a whole bunch of posters? If you like, I can do a quick bonedig and supply many examples where you’ve attempted to discredit other bloggers.
“Why don’t you actually try to debate or argue for a change?”
Nathan, that’s exactly what I’m doing. Just because my style isn’t laid out by the numbers quoted in your text books doesn’t make it any less valid or effective. I don’t remember anywhere where it says I have to play by your rules. I’m sure you’d love to have me operate on your terms, but life just doesn’t work that way.
You gotta be tough (and experienced) if you want to run with the big dogs.
I didn’t buy the OED to prove Bush was wrong. I bought it to understand, How does our language evolve?
Instead of arguing about all the semantics about logic, debate, or the never ending I am better than you…
Lets deal with the issue.
My issue was with the absurd statements heartlander made.
Your opinion on heartlanders opinion is noted Nathan. Others do not share your opinion. This does not make them wrong or you right. It just isolates you.
Iread something this mroning that scared me. Jan Beamer is running for the legislature. She of ’southwind moral campaign’ fame is now trying to take her moralistic crusade to another level.
She has already proven she doesn’t care for the separation of church and state. Her organization puts out literature claiming they can and will legislate morality.
She has proven she can waste taxpayer money on frivilous lawsuits while trying to control what adults read. What is next, a state requirement to attend church? Not just any church, mind you, but one approved by the extremist zealots headed by Beamer.
Scary…remember Hitler? His first attempt at controlling the masses was censorship.
When do people identify with politics, age? Republican from when and why. Who was the influence. Democrat the same? Civil strife in the past or something in the 70’s, Jimmy Carter’s sweaters, what was in Billy Beer…no one cared Betty Ford was drinking rubbing alcohol as First Lady…what was it.
Reaganomics that broke the stock market and wrenched up defecit spending, sold arms to Iran and made friends with Saddam..he’s a hero? Problems Reagan created still being waged in Iraq decades later. The aftermath failing to fix Afghanistan eventually caused 9/11 The German wall he played no part in tearing down, gets him cred.
What were Repubs doing during Daddy Bush’s flameout one term with negative numbers.
All this arguing and political seperatism, both parties suck. Don’t identify with them. Don’t glorify people by their political status. Good people, bad people. Not good Dem, bad Repub, who the hell should actually care. We’re not getting good governments that are helpful to most Americans.
I didn’t know politics until age 18, had to choose between Reagan and who..Mondale? I don’t remember. I’ll never identify myself with a political party.
I added rage to my name just because politics have gotten out of control, the grid lock and partisan Congress, ways Senators are special interest only and the policys causing economic separation in this country and its affecting the world. More Billionaires are created with more funds than countries and humanity is still living in the dirt without shelter, starving, sick with disease, because its not profitable to provide food, shelter and medicine equal to the amount of money we waste on crap and throw away!
“Iread something this mroning that scared me. Jan Beamer is running for the legislature. She of ’southwind moral campaign’ fame is now trying to take her moralistic crusade to another level.”Raptor’s got a point. Beemer ran against Judy Loganbill in 2004 and lost only by 99 votes. Is this the rematch?
How did she get that close? Well, her own literature played up her bigotry against gays. Some well-funded political group (Americans for Prosperity, I think) sent out multiple mailers, wherein Loganbill was attacked a tax-and-spend liberal, and supporting all kinds of irresponsible things. As expected, its language and choice of stats were carefully crafted to make the normal sound absurd.
But the coup d’grace was an she sent out in the closing days of the campaign, attacking Loganbill’s patriotism for not ending the Pledge of Allegiance. I found out shortly afterwards that her Mennonite religion consider that a wrong thing to do. It was disgusting and indefensible no matter what the reasoning though.
These types are not moral or even motivated by morality.
Nathan,
Just for an FYI, I don’t consider myself better than you, nor do I consider you better than me. We each have our unique experiences which have led us to our current ideologies. I’ve just had a bit longer to ‘experience’ than you have.
Ah yes, Beamer. Read about her in the Eagle this a.m. Just what we need in the Kansas Legislature, another self-righteous, self-appointed wacko who thinks her morals are better than anyone else. As I’ve said before, I’d laugh, but it isn’t funny.
I know somebody who works for Jan Beemer. Yep! She’s part of the “born again” cult and very dangerous too.
She doesn’t do anything at Cessna, from what I hear. Just stands around and she illegally campaigns at work. I don’t think you can campaign on the job, because that means you’re basically getting paid to campaign and that’s against the law.
If you live in her District, even if you are a strong Republican, I highly suggest you do not vote for her. If you can’t vote Democrat, vote 3rd party or leave blank. Don’t put her in the House.
Quote of the Day:
“I’ll be back. You can’t keep the Democrats out of the White House forever. And when they get in, I’m back on the street! With all of my criminal buddies! Ba-ha-ha-ha-ha!! Sideshow Bob, from The Simpsons
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
In case anyone missed it the informative Discovery channel program “Global Warming: What You Need To Know” is being rebroadcast this evening at 7 P.M. and again at 11 P.M. on the Discovery Channel. That is channel 42 for most cable viewers.
While it is not as good as the documentary “An Inconvenient Truth”; the Discovery Channel special is worth making the time to watch.
Thanks JR- I set the VCR.
GAm I a poet too?
Nathan, you’re young. But you’re not in the Army or Marines. My oldest son is. Why don’t you enlist and live in Iraq, and find out how fun it is?
Heckler, we know Bush isn’t a reader. “Misunderestimate” cannot be found in any dictionary. Clinton got into the Yale School of Law. Bush was REJECTED from the University of Texas School of Law. It wasn’t because the school’s admissions committee said. “He’s aRepublcan”, it was because they examined his college transcript and evaluation letters, and LAT score, and concluded, “He won’t be able to handle our curriculum.”
Correction: LSAT score
Up late re-watching the Discovery channel global warming special.
Heartlander??? If that IS you you are not as observant as you are wise.
Nathan is in the Marine reserves and is shortly to be deployed to Iraq. This is common knowledge on the blog.
If that is you heart, you owe Nathan a retraction of your last.
I’m sorry, Hank,
Come back safely. Tell us how you feel about Bushco after returning. Or post updates while you are there.
I mean Nathan. I’m sorry Nathan
Nathan joined the Marines when he was still in high school. I’ve always thought he joined the Marines because I’m retired Navy, just to annoy me. All in all he’s been very sucessfull in annoying me.
He finished boot camp second in his class, Momma and I went to the graduation ceremony in San Diego and it was the proudest moment in my life.
He did his four years as an armoured personell carrier driver. Every other school he has attended in the Marines he has finished top in his class. His nic name in the Marines was ‘number one’.
He got out of the Marines in 2001 and after 9/11 he joined the reserves while he was attending WSU. At WSU he was very active in several clubs, and in student government. He lacked only 10 or 15 credit hours for a dual degree in electrical engineering and computer science when he was activated this summer.
He’s going to Camp Faluja where he will be the armory chief for a 900 Marine batalion. He’ll be there for at least 7 months, maybe more.
Give him hell when he writes something stupid on the BLOG, treat him like the opinionated young man he is, but… late at night before bedtime, say a little prayer for him and his buddies. I know them and what ever you think of the administration or the war, we have sent our finest and they are there for the right reasons.
Pa,
Heckler or somebody said they don’t read the coast papers, but here’s a really interesting story on Kansas-native, former Wichita resident Phillip Anschutz.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-anschutz23jul23,0,4485263.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines
Wow. Just read throught this thread.
And we wonder why there are so few posters, and so many who don’t post. After reading insightful commentary like this one has been, why, oh why would any sane person jump in?
The sane ones shake their head and go elsewhere.
‘Course, ya know what that makes me . . .
No, I don’t, anyway. I’m a little harried these days, and thus perhaps a little slow (I see my post upthread came out kinda weird).
Do we get three guesses?
Well said Hank- and Nathan Voya con Dios.
Hank,
Nathan will stay in my thoughts and prayers until I know he has returned, safe and sound.
I think that speaks for all of us, no matter what we might disagree on. And it doesn’t mean won’t won’t continue to disagree. :)
I’ll be following both the blog and yahoo group when I can, Nathan. Watch yourself over there.
yes, Nathan, come back safe.
Nathan: I will be praying that God will protect you, open doors, and return you safe and sound.
Hank, would you post the Yahoo group link again? Thanks.
Right, outlander, that’s a lot easier than stopping Mr. Bush’s idiotic war based on a pack of lies that would get ALL our guys back home safe and sound.
I do agree with Hank that the guys going over — including and especially Nathan — are the best we’ve got . . . in contrast to the chicken-hawks in our government who made sure that they and their loved ones never have to serve in battle.
Inlander, I am shocked. SHOCKED I say that you would invoke the image of the YELLOW ELEPHANT!!!!!!
Tucker Carlson anyone?