The sudden death of Kenneth Lay, the disgraced former head of Enron, denies a fitting closure to his many victims. The man convicted of presiding over one of this nation’s most costly corporate scandals — and whose greedy schemes left thousands of people without retirement funds — has escaped punishment for his crimes and will not spend the rest of his life behind bars, as appeared likely in his upcoming sentencing.
It’s still unclear whether the government will be able to seize assets and collect fines from Lay’s remaining estate. If not, where’s the justice for Lay’s victims?
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I say good riddance, although I would liked to read about Ken tossing some salad or getting shived in the Kidneys in prison.
Tin-foil-hatter that I am, the word “suicided” keeps whispering in my mind. Just how much did Kenny Boy know?
Yes, I know that’s crazy, and I don’t consciously believe it, so no need to jump on me. I know I have a very suspicious mind, to the point of being, um, ridiculous. That’s what comes from my what-if-la-la-land career.
It is sad that reparations to those he injured may not come to fruition. I’m just curious if W will attend the funeral…
RD – the same thought passed thru my head on kennyboy and also RustyEck’s heart attack right before being sentanced on his criminal sex charges.Things that make you go hmmmmm….
Don’t feel too “tin hat” RD.
Remember Vince Foster? Lotsa tin hats on the other side of the fence still think the Clintons had him bumped off. So we COULD play their game and argue that Lay was such a political liablility that……….
Any bets they cremate Lay or bury him in secret? NOT talking conspiracies here. But I am sure many would like to visit his final resting place and seek………relief!
Whilst Lay is getting laid . . . out to rest, his lawyers are perched on his doorstep awaiting the proverbial soul carrying crow to depart so they can procure their 2 pounds of flesh. The vultures have arrived, and they are hungry.
kfg said it best yesterday. Feel sorry for the family, but be mad that the bastard will never pay for his crimes
If I was a wealthy guy on the verge of spending the rest of my life in prison, I’d fake my own death and live out the rest of my life in South America.
I’d like to see some DNA.
And not just Rusty Eck, Julie.What about Chris Cherches, and how the U.S. Attorney’s investigation of the 13th floor seemed to peter out after that?
X…fascinating thought…almost sounds like it could be made into a movie!
Not only the families, but think of the employees suffered at his hands. Loss of vested pensions, savings accounts, jobs, etc. Be a loyal employee for years..and get stiffed. And..now they don’t even get the satisfaction of seeing him behind bars. Maybe they can “fertilize” his grave?
Bye bye!
Mr C,I was trying to forget my years in hell working for the city. :)it will now take an additional 6 years of therapy – and I had progressed so well. ;)
How convenient for Bush, the energy policy Czar has his life snuffed out. No pardon necessary, no blackmail for pardon possible. Republicans must be rejoicing.
Julie, as long as you were not a willing lackey of the Gang of Four, you have absolution :)
Julie, as long as you were not a willing lackey of the Gang of Four, you have absolution :)
The gang of four let off scott free by our great DA.
It wasn’t the DA…it was the U.S. Attorney.
What did he die from? I don’t think a suicide is that far fetched.
A massive heart attack.
http://www.slate.com/id/2145074/nav/tap2/
There is supposed to be an autopsy done.
No doubt an autopsy by the local yocal.
Bets on a closed casket funeral? This is just too convenient.
I hear Rio is nice this time of year.
I’m suspicious too.
Heart attack? That sonofabitch didn’t have a heart.
The man died. Give his family a bit of decency, ok?
Somehow I doubt his family are readers here LRB.
Besides, neither he nor his family showed much decency to the thousands of peoples lives and livelihoods they destroyed.
So his entire family is to be blamed? Right …
This is why nobody take you liberals seriously anymore. You have no souls.
I haven’t seen any attacks on his family here. However, on that subject I would say the families should have the same consideration regarding the ill-gotten gains that families of other criminals get.
Well again LRB, I doubt the Lay family are among our readers. Even if they were, I do not care much as to offending them. Concern yourself with Ken Lays soul.
I see you have expanded to other threads LRB. Good. It will be fun deconstructing you.
When you make comments like your last you expose yourself.
LRB,”This is why nobody take you liberals seriously anymore. You have no souls.”
Who the hell do you think you are to pass judgment om my soul? So now you think you sit in place of God to pass judgment on out souls? Typical conservative.
Moron
XXX,You’re too kind, actually.
Yeah DD, I know, but if I said what I really think, the editors would pull my post.
And I need to check my spelling before I launch, lol.
XXX!
Let’s just let LRB define herself. I said from her first post that she would be “interesting” and she is…….in a weird arrogant kinda way.
Laura R. Bush?
This just in from NBC news…since Lay died before formal sentencing, there will be no attempt to collect the fines. Means his family will be able to keep his $10 million in salary/bonus as well as the things bought with the $30 million credit line from Enron. Also, according to NBC news, the civil lawsuits cannot proceed against his estate since he died before formal sentencing. How incredibly convenient…
Wonder if his family helped with the “heart attack”? Buenos Aires has lots of places to hide…
I’d like to see Ken Lay the same way we saw Zarqawi(sp?). I want to see his dead body and see the DNA to prove he died.
It’s too easy for me to believe that he orchestrated this event to avoid being sentenced.
Come on Sum1 – show some soul like LRB suggests – by showing decency and respect for alZakawri’s family!
“Come on Sum1 – show some soul like LRB suggests – by showing decency and respect for alZakawri’s family!”
Ken Lay = A Terrorist who beheads children.
The liberal mind is sick beyond help. Please do humanity a favor and lean into the strike zone and take one for the home team by ending your life.
Thanks in advance.
Gee LRB – that really showed YOUR soul – lack thereof!
“Gee LRB – that really showed YOUR soul – lack thereof!”
You would have a point if I demanded BH’s family also do humanity a favor.
Ben..
That troll is just looking for strife…best response is to not respond. Eventually that little kid will get bored and go away..
LRB,I don’t think that Sum1 and Ben were correlating kenlay w/ a terrorist. I think that they were stating that both had ruined lives and allowed instability to surround those around them. We the public have been provided ‘proof’ that al-zarkawi had died – there were pictures released and DNA confirmation. All we have with kenlay is verbal confirmation that he had a massive heart attack.I’m sure that we as a public are so distrusting on this verbal confirmation because we see conspiracy lurking around every corner. We are bloodthirsty lot and want proof. We don’t just want him to burn in hell for the financial distruction he has wrought but we want the pictures of the devil himself jamming a pitchfork in his backside.Only then will we be satisfied that a small justice is done.
Lay and al Zarkawi are not in the same league. They’re not even in the same game.
One stole money from trusting people. The other sawed-off the heads of live people before a camera.
Please ….
I see LRB – so when I say I hope you die a horrible death that is OK as long as I don’t with the same to your family.
Reality Check …
Who here suffered a personal finacial loss because of Key Lay.
Raise your hands.
So, as long as I was not personally hurt I shouldn’t care about those who were harmed. I should care only about myself and all thers be damned. Quite a viewpoint you have LRB; quite a soul.
“So, as long as I was not personally hurt I shouldn’t care about those who were harmed. I should care only about myself and all thers be damned. Quite a viewpoint you have LRB; quite a soul.”
Why aren’t you as upset at other people who did significantly worse?
But we both know then answer, don’t we? It’s not about Key Lay, is it…
“Why aren’t you as upset at other people who did significantly worse?” – I am. Why aren’t you?
“”Why aren’t you as upset at other people who did significantly worse?” – I am. Why aren’t you?”
I am upset that Key Lay stole the retirement funds from hardworking people too. But I don’t want to dig up his body and or punish his family. That’s the difference between you and sane people.
Did I ever say I wanted to dig up his body? Punish his family beyond retrieving the ill-gotten wealth? No, LRB, it is you and your hallucinations that are not sane.
LRB,”Who here suffered a personal finacial loss because of Key Lay.”
That’s a pretty selfish attitude. As long as you’re ok, screw everybody else. Ever hear of a concept called “the common good”?
LRB IS JUST BEING A GOOD CHRISTIAN – AT LEAST IN HIS VIEW!
HARDTRUTH, why bring Christianity into the discussion, especially as it relates to LRB? If LRB is a Christian, he/she has forgotten what Christ taught us about compassion for others. So far, this hasn’t been a fight about religion. Could we keep it that way?
LRB HAD MADE REPRESENTATIONS ON OTHER THREADS ABOUT HIS SUPERIOR FEALTY TO THAT RELIGION; ALSO HIS REFERENCE ABOVE TO “HAVING NO SOULS”
“raising hand” for being personally harmed by Ken Lay and Enron. I lived in California while Enron manipulated the market and more than quadrupled electric rates. Yes.. that hurt.
I would add my in-laws who live in CA and paid for Enron’s manipulations. But LRB doesn’r care because it didn’t hurt HIM.
So we had two people here who have had some loss because of Key Lay. The rest have no losses whatsoever.
To the rest of you living in theatrical anguish …
If you feel so bad why not share your personal retirement funds with the Enron empoyees?
Step up to the plate and show us your tears are real.
LRB, if you’re such a good conservative, why don’t you enlist and go to Iraq? I’m sure they could use another bomb-sniffing dog.
HARDTRUTH, my appoligy.Tear the POS apart.
I thought Ken Lay was broke and already in prison for his economic crimes on the American people. However, according to the news, he died at a plush resort in Aspen, Colorado!!
“LRB, if you’re such a good conservative, why don’t you enlist and go to Iraq? I’m sure they could use another bomb-sniffing dog.”
1. I’m not a conservative. The fact that I experss ommon sense opinions has you confused.
2. If you’re such a good liberal why don’t you go to Iraq, join the terrorists, and kill US servicemen? I’m sure they could use another suicide bomber.
Hey LRB? Besides global warming, bush, and Ken Lay what else do you love……besides yourself I mean?
COMMON SENSE?!?!?!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
OL’ LRB IS DEFINITELY IN LOVE WITH HIM/HERSELF!
“Hey LRB? Besides global warming, bush, and Ken Lay what else do you love……besides yourself I mean?”
1. Global warming is real. The only problem is that the real cause, the sun, is ignored by liberals because it’s politically incorrect and doesn’t involve telling someone what to drive or how to live.
2. I never voted for Bush.
3. Ken Lay was a criminal. So is Bill Clinton, Jacques Chirac, etc.
4. Conservatives are blind, but liberals are just plain ignorant.
Gee,after that, I wonder who’ll be left standing to have it figured out? Could it be the All-Seeing-All-Knowing-One? Hmmmmmmm, go figure!
Hey, LRB, even according to your own politically correct industry website the majority of warming is caused by atmospheric changes, not the sun. I don’t give a damn if that is politically correct or not.
“1. I’m not a conservative. The fact that I experss ommon sense opinions has you confused.”
If you’re not a conservative, you’re an @sshole. Get over your silly self.
“2. If you’re such a good liberal why don’t you go to Iraq, join the terrorists, and kill US servicemen?”
Show me where any Liberal has done that. You’re kinda out there, arentcha?
“I never voted for Bush.”
I think someone is lying.
Yeah X
LRB comes across as a troll to me.Defending Ken Lay??? Outrageous and inflammatory statements with the occasional assault on OTHERS politics……..all while she plays coy with her own.
(We are guessing by your name that you are female LRB. Gonna have to let us know if we are wrong.)
I’d call troll and let it go. But there is just enough ego to be interesting!
Jr, you’re right. Time to follow the rules…don’t feed the trolls.
“If you’re such a good liberal why don’t you go to Iraq, join the terrorists, and kill US servicemen?”
Show me where any Liberal has done that. You’re kinda out there, arentcha?”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/JohnWalkerLindh.jpg
Always rootin for ya LRB.
On another thread you just made some pretty good sense.
Then you come over here and do this.
LRB ONE mixed up kid does not equal “liberals going to Iraq joining the terrorists and killing US servicemen”
John Lindh was in Afghanistan by the way…..not Iraq. I don’t think he killed any US sevicemen either.
And since when is this little rich kid a “liberal”?
How about this conservative we sent to Iraq:
http://channels.netscape.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ns-tos-news-h-03&sc=1110&idq=/ff/story/0001/20060707/0201145933.htm
And these conservatives …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/14989856.htm
No wonder this happens …
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13758518/
Now I should point out that these are NOT typical of conservatives; any more than the other is typical of liberals.
[q]And since when is this little rich kid a “liberal”?[/q]
Lindh was from Marin County, California. A place to the political left of Havana.
and more conservatives like this guy …
“Oklahoma City bomber McVeigh, executed in 2001, had advocated far-right ideology when he was in the Army and recruited two fellow soldiers to aid his 1995 bomb plot.”
Regarding the original topic of what should happen to Ken Lay’s assets?
If a bank robber carrying his loot suffers a heart attack and dies in the street while running to his get-away car — should the loot be given to his descendents or back to the bank?
That was my point above JWink:
“However, on that subject I would say the families should have the same consideration regarding the ill-gotten gains that families of other criminals get.”
Yes, many employees of Enron lost incredble amounts of money because of Lay and Skilling but the irony is that they would have had no money without them because Enron really didnt exist before they took over.
Nice try Dennis.
Many also lost jobs that they had had for 20 or 30 years. You know, jobs they had long before corporate raider Lay.