Noting the disenchanted Kansas Republicans who’ve joined Gov. Kathleen Sebelius in the Democratic Party, the liberal Daily Kos blog predicted that “Sebelius will be on everyone’s VP short list in 2008.”
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She will be on the losing end of a ticket in 2008 if she is the VP for Al Gore. That’s Fred Phelps buddy and he isn’t to kindly thought of around the nation and Kansas in particular.
Although for most part a VP pick doesn’t way too much, with the exception of LBJ for Kennedy, and this wouldn’t be the first time a women has been pick for VP, Sebelius would be better selected on a good solid ticket with Bill Richardson.
Actually! Thinking about it. If Seleblius survives her re-election. She would make a very good dark horse candidate for President in 2008. I’m very serious. Although she couldn’t raise the money that Hiliary can, but unknown Democratgovernors have comed out ahead for President. Jimmy Carter and William Clinton. They were unknowns and considered Dark Horses, but they won.
Sebelius could easily take New Hampshire and Iowa from Hillary. That is all she needs to do and she’s in.
Coming from a heavily Republican state, quite, no skeletons in her closet, she would be in the oval office with an easy win, no matter who the Republicans throw up there.
Joe?
“She will be on the losing end of a ticket in 2008 if she is the VP for Al Gore. That’s Fred Phelps buddy and he isn’t to kindly thought of around the nation and Kansas in particular.”
Last I knew Joe, Gore is not running. I DO wish he would.
I’m currently destroying you on another thread that addresses Al Gore Joe.
In regards to Gore you post “That is Fred Phelps’s buddy” yada yada more Joe Williams patent crap.
Joe? In your little mind have you ever considered that Phelps might be using his own pariah image to “embrace” and thus implicate by guilt by “assocation” Gore and anyone else who DO NOT embrace his sick agenda in order to make them look as bad as he does?
Yeah, why not Sebelious for Prez?
This is fun to talk about but it is fantasy land, and distracts us from the task at hand – to re-elect Sebelius. Let’s push away from the coffee and computer, and walk in your neighborhood distributing lit for her and Paul Morrison. It is a moral imperative to keep this state out of the hands of the radical right wing of the Republican Party.
Kelly, this is WE Blog.Don’t be bringing up reality, you’ll spoil the fantasy.(but you’re right)
JR,Actually, Joe’s post was excellent. It was clear, concise and to the point. He made valid assesments of her chances, and made them well. I would like to see her run as a dark horse. That would make an interesting election cycle. I think she would make a good President. Way better than what we have now, which is useless.
I think that anything Joe writes will be bashed by you: you just don’t like joe.
What will come to light is her support of providing driver licenses, healthcare and in-state tuition to illegals. Her support for raising taxes and saying she is Catholic while supporting abortion.
It is easier to hide things in a Governors race but a lot harder to do on the National level. Her support of trial lawyers as well as the ACLU will also become a factor. Then of course there is the Kerry socialized health plan.
She has a rather long list of things that would come out on a National level.
If you support the illegals, higher taxes and socialized medicine and healthcare then she is your candidate.
Sibelius would be a victim of Democrat long-term growth strategy, which in turn is merely reactive to the generation-old Republican growth strategy (better known as the Sun Belt diaspora).
Because the Democrat party has ceded the deep South to the Republicans (in reaction to the Sun Belt diaspora by conservatives), it’s incumbent on them to have a Southerner on the ticket. If the Democrats don’t have a southerner on the ticket somewhere, they lose period.
The “Southern on the ticket” rule is true for Republicans as well, but at this point it’s nearly true to say that for them it’s sufficient and not necessary. For Democrats, it’s necessary.
Sibelius isn’t “south” enough to do the Democratic ticket any good as VP: they can always profit more by nominating someone more Southern, male or female. And she’d never win the presidency because she *sounds* like a northern Ohioan. She may be a Kansan now (in the same way GW Bush is a Texan), but her grim/serious demeanor certainly makes her appear more Northern.
Sibelius’s father should have picked Oklahoma or Missouri instead. Bush, a native of Connecticut, can “get away” with being a Southerner due to 2 things, his Texan affect and Texas geography relative to the Mason Dixon line. Sibelius obviously lacks both attributes. If she gets on the ticket anytime in the next few election cycles, then it’s another L for Democrats (imo).
STS…..how could Governor Sebelius raise taxes when the State House and Senate are firmly in the hands of the Republicans. Bash, Bash, Bash!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All your “illegals” bashing doesn’t cut the mustard either….again, the State House and Senate are firmly in the hands of the Republicans.
……….supporting “abortion”….Gee I think Roe V. Wade is a federal issue and not something Sebelius has anything to do with.
Give it up!
Al “Call me Mr. Internet” Gore couldn’t even carry his home state of Tennessee in the 2000 elections. Stick a fork in him. He’s finished.
Sotheysaid! I understand what you are saying, but what she stands for or believes in isn’t much different than any other Democrat out there.
Democrats outregistar Republicans. What has made some Republicans successful was that they could court some moderate Democrats to vote on their side. A Moderate Democrat can court Republicans, just as Bill Clinton did.
If Sebelius wins the primary in 08, the Republicans will choose the most conservative candidate. That is a given. Everybody will look at the options and most likely will choose Sebelius. Kansas is a perfect example of that.
The reason why Al Gore barely lost and John Kerry lost, because they are far to left. The reason why they got the amount of votes that they did is because most people are Democrats. You’re elites to the welfare poor and union labor.
All Sebelius really got to do is appeal to farmers and coming from an Ag state, she can get some of them. They Republicans will throw up an urbanite conservative, Sebelius will win.
What could really wrap it up for Sebelius is that she runs for President and picks Dick Gephardt as a running mate.
But its a case in point.
Although I think that Sebelius would make a good President, she might be the wrong once at this time. It we had relative peace in the world, she would make a great one. But if the Middle East unravels, I don’t think she is up to par as a war time President.
Sighhhhhh
And here is LRB bashing on Al Gore on a thread thats header does not mention Al Gore. You know, sort of like Joe Williams did in his post that opened the thread? LRB managed the usual “LRBIsm” namely posting a wild shot that did not even address the topic. Watch, LRB will be back to repost some of what I am posting now and follow it with more wild shots.By the way J M what is “excellent”, “clear”, or “concise” about Joe Williams taking a shot at Al Gore (trolling for me) and then going off topic for his entire post? The topic was Sebelius as a VP choice.But I’ll bite.
Sebelius as a Presidential candidate? No. No thanks from me anyway. I’ve had enough of “Republican lite” after Clinton. Too, let us remember the last time a little better known candidate for President emerged from the backwater of Kansas. Two words Bob Dole. Two more words. No chance.
Now back to topic.
Sebelius as veep is something else again. She is squishy middle enough to appeal to the not too far gone right. She would appeal in her relative anonymity to those who think the VP position has been gaining too much power. So maybe.
Post crossed.
Joe? As much as you on the right INSIST on trying to pick the Dem candidate for president, it is not for you to decide.
Sebelius is Republican lite. Americans are sick of Republicans. It is time and oppportunity to get a Progressive in office and start fixing the damage that bush has done.
Keep drinking JR. You’re so wrong and so alone!
Keep on calling me a troll. You’re just another vile Republican lyncher. Doesn’t bring any crediability to me or others.
ACTUALLY, I HEARD KEN CANFIELD IS RUNNING WITH AL GORE.
AFTER ALL – HE HAS NOT BEEN A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, THE ONLY POLITICAL EXPERIENCE HE HAS IS WITH AL GORE, AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION ON SOCIAL ISSUES.
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD FIT. A LEFTY WACKO AND A RIGHTY WACKO.
DOES THAT MAKE THEM MIDDLE?
Joe?
You and I did battle over Al Gore on another thread.
Now THIS thread was introduced while we were “feuding”.
YOU brought Al Gore and an attack on him here. It was your opening statement and just barely on topic. So yes I call “troll”. Ask yourself if I should see it any other way.
Your last seems a bit defensive Joe. I wonder why?
Sebelius might be a credible candidate for VP. But she is not as far as I know nor should she consider a run for the top office. I have posted as to why.
Again, the Dems will pick their candidate for President. They do not need the right to do it for them.
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“And here is LRB bashing on Al Gore on a thread thats header does not mention Al Gore. ”
You sure about that, Cletus?
Gore-Sebelius in 2008?
I’m not sure if the country is enlightened enough to elect a woman for prez in the next election. Maybe Sebelius should use the VP position as a launching pad for her presidential run. I’ll set my hopes on a John Edwards-Kathleen Sebelius ticket. Southern Democrat with a Midwestern moderate–might have a chance.
Ouch?
Hey LRB? Sweety? That could ALMOST leave a mark.
Incidentally the name is Jay. I know, you probably know a lot of people named Cletus. Lots of them on your side of things. I’m not one of them. Try not to get confused?
The speculative header “headline” if you will DID mention Gore. The thread header itself did not.
I score you one point. So far it is the only one you’ve “made”.
Only thing I said about Al Gore on this topic is that he would basically loose.
I believe many Democrats would feel the same way. There is no attack, just my opinion.
You can’t stand the fact that there are people out there that think that Al Gore isn’t really anybody special. Just accept that fact.
He is a public figure and therefore is not immuned or protected by scuritiny. If you want to dictate your facist beliefs that nobody shoundn’t say anything bad about Gore, then start your own blog and moderate it with your leftist beliefs.
“I score you one point. So far it is the only one you’ve “made”. ”
Do you always allow yourself to be owned so easily?
And one last thing. I’m a real man with principals. No! I do not subcribe to the left. That doesn’t make me dump or a hater of people on the left.
Unlike how you hate.
I applogize on Gore in that “Other Thread”. Because I’m a real man and I will applogize. Unlike you. Don’t worry! I’ll never hold my breath for you.
You want to push the mountain on me? Look at yourself bro! I’m no hater!
Reposted on the Gore Thread!
Uh Joe?
Your frustration and anger are showing again.
“Dictate” “fascist beliefs” (paraphrasing) “get lost”
A little strident and extreme don’t ya think Joe?
You can bash Al Gore all you like. I’d like to remind you though that you had to eat a few words you posted about him before. You aren’t still hungry are you?
Neither will be on the ballot in 2008.
Al Gore voted against the Kyoto treaty.
Now he’s a friend of the Earth. That assclown would do anything to get a vote.
Posts crossed. I’ve yet to get back to that other thread Joe. When I do, I will acknowledge your short but gracious apology for posting misconceptions. I say here also , good on you for clearing things up. I respect that.
Do you want me to repost your e-mails?
This is from you posted eariler:
“YOU brought Al Gore and an attack on him here. It was your opening statement and just barely on topic. So yes I call “troll”. Ask yourself if I should see it any other way.”
When you call somebody a troll that is a strong statement. A troll is somebody that the general concensus is that nobody wants here, because all they do is attack others. You are suggesting that I never attack Gore and that I should leave the blog! Trolls are ususally banned!
That is all you do to people here. Is just attack them.
“Your last seems a bit defensive Joe. I wonder why?”
I’ll always will defend myself! I don’t let people like you run all over this blog attacking people without putting up a fight! I don’t get bullied around! You can’t stand it that I fight back once punched! You rather keep a brotha down!
I never suggest you leave! I always encourage you to keep going and keep trying.
But it is my opinion that you stated a facist statement when you didn’t want me or others attacking Gore for any reason. Now that you know you are wrong, you backpeddeled.
I just suggest that you are free to start your own blog where everybody can listen to you and you can kick people off that are like me. Peaching to the Choir right is what you want.
Nice cherry picking! But you know I mean well! You always take it the wrong way!
You on the other hand I watch, because of your pronounced Hate towards Conservatives. You Despise Hank Price. You Despise (an American Solider in Iraq) Nathan.
Go again!
Joe?
“I applogize on Gore in that “Other Thread”. Because I’m a real man and I will applogize. Unlike you. Don’t worry! I’ll never hold my breath for you.”
Joe I try to be careful with what I post so I don’t find myself needing to apologize. If you catch me wrong I will say so. Shot at my mamnliness notwithstanding!
Ok! Appoligize to Conservative Republicans that support Bush.
Appoligize to Hank Price and retract your hate towards him.
Appoligize to Nathan (a solider in Iraq) and retract your hate towards him.
Careful what you post! It can bite you in the butt.
Gore is one thing! You are talking about people that are close to you, that are not public figures, and people that regularly meet with each other. Yet your self proclaim hate towards them is not a good sign!
Posts are crossing here.
Wow a lot to respond to there!
Well Joe, your definition of trolling is pretty narrow.It does have something of a wider application.
Posting something that you pretty much figure will get a rise out of a particular poster is “trolling” I say that was what you did in your opener.
There you go again talking about people getting “banned”. Joe that is not even possible! I told you so before!
I better look and see if you have posted more before I go further. You ARE a faster typist than me!
And it is liberals that get accused of feeling as opposed to thinking!
Joe you are getting WAY emotional here.
Alright man! Again! I’ll call truce!
I know we will disagree in the future and have some exchanges.
I’ll be softer on any personal hits.Cool?
:)
Well just a few more things Joe. You got a lot in and I am still catching up.
Do not take this as a shot. It is not meant so.
I am glad you stopped. You were on the verge of a meltdown I think! Again just my opinion and not a shot. There are people I LIKE to see meltdown. You Joe are not one of them.
Joe? You WERE making this bigger than you and me. I don’t like to talk about other posters when they are not about. It seems unfair.
Certainly no reader here can be unaware that I am at pretty heady odds with certain posters. Digging up old wounds does not help me or them. It just starts old fights over.
I really need to finish up I have been at this way too long today! I had to check and make sure there was not more to address. You type almost as fast as kfg Joe!
Do remember Joe that there is a difference in a strong defence and being defensive. I will try as well.
My position on Republicans who support bush is just as you posted it is. I make no secret of it. SO I do not apologize for it. I do not ask them to apologize for their beliefs either. Even if they are wrong! Sorry couldn’t resist.
Truce accepted Joe.
“Coming from a heavily Republican state, quite, no skeletons in her closet, she would be in the oval office with an easy win, no matter who the Republicans throw up there.”
Well, were should I start. Guess you might want to define the determining factors to be classified as a skeleton. Inhaling dope? Having an affair? Past felon?
I really doubt Sibelius has any hardcore issues. Sibelius does, however, have chinks in the armor. Her lack of leadership is problematic (school financing, efficient and effective budgeting, executive intelligence). Buying bonds to finance/balance the current budget with an influx of money, but will have to paid from the 2010 (may have the year wrong) budget doesn’t seem like the kind of leader this life-long Kansan wants to reward with a vote. Sibelius has her focus on Washington, and not Kansas. She is not from Kansas, she will not continue to reside in Kansas, and she does not care about Kansas. She cares only about Sibelius. I want someone, Democrat or Republican, that genuinely cares about Kansas.
Joe?
Gore didn’t vote on the Kyoto treaty. At least it’s my understanding that, as he was president of the Senate at the time, he would only vote when there was a tie. The vote was hardly tied.
Now, I’m going to go check this out, but I thought Gore was in favor of Kyoto. If I’m wrong, I’ll be back and admit it. If you’re wrong, I expect the same from you. :)
ID,
I dont agree, I do believe Sibelius cares about Kansas. I dont see your point that she has had leadership on the School Finance issue, she proposed nervous budgets that solved the problem yet the Republican house would pass it. They put up their own budget which turned out NOT to solve the problem and the courts show us that one. They forced them back to the table. Sibelius’s plans would have solved the issue and the courts should have recognized that.
As for presidential candidates…
If they have had an affair or snorted dope or smoked a bit of weed, heck, im twice as likely to vote for them. Morals dont mean shit to me, life experience. Someone who has experienced those thing are more likely able to solve the problems because of their first hand experience… (maybe like legalizing pot!)
I meant numerous not nervous.
Stupid operator error…