Speaking of tough justice, New York Times columnist John Tierney saw a valuable point in Ann Coulter’s offensive comments about the Sept. 11 widows. “She has identified a real problem: how do you conduct a political argument with grieving relatives?” he wondered.
He went on to note that “the surest way to pass a law is to name it after someone, ideally a girl or woman” — a la Kansas’ new “Jessica’s Law,” named after a slain Florida girl. (Tierney neglected, though, to take the idea as far as it’s gone, which is to laws named after dogs, such as Kansas’ new “Magnum’s Law.”)
He wrote: “Some of these laws undoubtedly make sense, but the names appended to them cut short the sort of debate required. It’s emotional blackmail as well as a ghoulish form of the celebrity endorsement — without the celebrity’s permission.”
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Ann Coulter is living proof that interspecies mating is possible, it would seem her daddy was Fred Phelps and her mommy a pit bull.
Break out the bug spray!
Ann Coulter could care less about politics. It’s the money and only the money. She is, in fact, a whore of the lowest order, and I don’t mean to denigrate prostitutes.
She’s going to make tons of money.
Looks like Coulter and George Carlin will square it off on Leno tomorrow. That should be fun.
If Ann Coulter is trying to look sexy in the picture, she’s coming-off more as a transvestite on a bad-hair day.
I’d hate to look across a room and have that damned thing looking “girlishly-up” to me.
Guys: It’s always best to sit by a door.
Ed!
Lets just agree that Coulter has bigger cojones then most men.
Joe
Done deal!
I wonder if she flies an O-cedar to work? I keep hoping she’ll have a meltdown like the Witch in the Wizard of Oz.
Joe
I’ll say one thing in Ann Coulter’s favor. She wrote a piece concerning the truth about Sen. Joe McCarthy when he broke-up the Communist takeover of this country.
Afterward, the Zionist PR machine went after him and rewrote history about him.
Back then Gus Hall’s Communist Party was dedicated to the overthrow of out constitutional government, much as Bushco is today.
His Famous question: “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party ” made them all hide behind the 5th amendment: “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds it might incriminate me.”
How the Zionists managed to flip history has always amazed me.
How she wrote what she wrote is offensive, and disgusting, and I won’t even begin to defend it.
But looking past your vomit to the substantive issue, and she’s right, as Rhonda points out. Victims have a special status conferred by their circumstances which almost precludes debating against what they seek; wrapping a proposed law up in their name assures victory for the legislation. Who would want to vote against Jessica’s law – do you hate Jessica? Do you want more Jessicas? etc., etc. Even if there may be valid reasons to oppose the law for policy reasons, the knee-jerk emotional response takes over.
Again, that point doesn’t excuse Coulter’s disgusting way of writing.
Gentle people,
The Jersey Girls entered the political arena. They capitalized on the death of their husbands to lend credibility to their political rants.
Good on COulter for telling it like it is!
Hank
Hmmmmmmmmm, Another job for “The Decider”?
Claiming victum status is a billion dollar industry in Israel. They even claim to be “victimized” by the Palestinians. I guess for costing them so many artillary shells.
But wait; We paid for those artillary shells so we must be the true victims, not those dead and wounded kids on that beach.
gster
Does that make Laura Bush the First Deciderest?
Hank- You mean “The Deciderette”? No, I think of her as the victim of a truly bad decision, IMHO.
How many of you have met Ann Coulter?
I have. I have had a brief conversation with her and I have listened to her speak in both public and in private. I have read all of her books minus this latest one.
So far, she has said little more about people than any of you have just said about her here.
So look in the mirror and you are just as guilty as she is.
Nathan – I have never expressed regret that someone didn’t murder a political adversary. She did.
Hank- I’m not familiar with what these wives did that started all this. Can you fill me in?
Their lawyers made them all multimillionaires on tax-payer money. The usual routine.
I’m not “Hank”
gster.
GOOGLE ‘Jersey Girls’ or if you want,
http://www.opinionjournal.com/medialog/?id=110004950
Hank
I was in a hurry earlier, cut my post off a bit.
Ann Coulter has been writing like this for some time. She uses harsh satire to make points. It is nothing new.
At fisrt when I heard what the media was saying about what she said I figured she crossed the line. However, after hearing what she actually said I changed my mind.
She was not targeting all 9/11 widows like many of the news reports indicated. She was specifically targeting those 4 women who put themselves into the spotlight.
Lets face it, someone like Cindy Sheehan gets into the picture and starts calling George Bush every name in the book and as soon as someone from the right starts to say something about her he is attacked for daring to say anything about this poor lady who lost her child.
Hank- thanks for the link. I still have no use for Venoma, but I surely don’t approve of what the wives did as stated in your link. Grief can make anyone mouth off initially I suppose, but going on for these years is crap.
There is a difference. Ann Coulter does what she does because it’s her career to be a political pundit writer.
The other people, like Sheehan and the Jersey Girls are used by politicans and the people of the Left as a political ploy to gain media attention. Basically they are being used for political purposes, Ann Coulter is getting paid for it under “Freedom of the Press”.
In all due fairness, Terri Schiavo was used as a political football for the right and that was clearly wrong.
There are plenty of leftist that wrote books or have movies out there like Michael Moore, Al Gore, Al Franken, Randi Rhodes and even Ted Kennedy came out with a book. I could care less about what they have to say and more power to them. I hope they make tons of money doing it and get stinkin rich.
You won’t find a double standard on me about this. I could care less about Ann Coulter, Shawn Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Michael Savage’s books.
Nathan – suppose I said “my only regret that the IED didn’t kill nathan”? Would that statement “cross the line”? That is what Coulter did with the McVeigh terrorist bombing regetting that he didn’t target the NYTimes.
Comparing Ann Coulter to any other suthor is comparing apples and oranges. She is alone in her vitriolic spewing of rank garbage. Michael Moore, Michael Savage, Rush Limburger, none of them come close to her in terms of lunacy.
Her support of Joe McCarthy’s drunken search for communists shows her stupidity and ignorance of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
And I detest this ridiculous bashing of Democrats for voicing opinions, supported by facts, concerning Ann and her cadre of nincompoops. To be called traitors for calling morons like her out is just plain stupid.
I totally agree with Coulter on this.
Just because someone has “suffered” is no reason that you can’t confront them about what caused that suffering, especially when they themselves bring it up.
Take for instance the suicide of Luke Tiahrt. Just because his father suffered is no reason that we shouldn’t talk about it. Coulter said that the widows were “enjoying” their husbands’ deaths. So she’s saying that families are fair game and I’m glad to see that you all agree.
A lot of people use personal tragedy for personal gain or power or to fight for a cause.Is it wrong that John Walsh fights crime because his son was murdered or that his tragedy has made him money thru TV and books.Micheal J Fox and Christopher Reeve used their situations to raise money and gain political influence. John McCain and Bob Dole used their status as POW and wounded vets to get elected. Gracia Burnham writes books now and so on. Ann Coulter seems to think that because someone has a personal tragedy that they are somehow sacrosaint and by engaging them in debate you will be attacked for being mean to the victim. If you attack the victims victimization as Ann does of course you be lambasted. But people engage in civil debate over issues are rarely criticized.I would bet that the 9/11 widows, John Walsh, Gracia Burnham, would trade what little fame and money they have earned thru their victimization for their lost loved ones in a sec.
Oh of course JM Walker, with comments like these from you about her:
“She is, in fact, a whore of the lowest order, and I don’t mean to denigrate prostitutes.”
Why would I ever dare think to say that you are no better than her when you turn around and say something like this about her…
Ben,
I don’t have to suppose you said much of anything. I have read the things you say about Israel and find your comments more harsh than this.
Besides, if you knew anything about Ann Coulter she doesn’t really endorse the blowing up the the NYT. It is satire.
NAthan – not true. My only comments about Israel is that they should be held to international standards in their treatment of their captives and that they should allow freedom (or voting) for their captive millions population. Beyond that I have said that I can understand why a mother of children blown to bits by Israel would wish to see the same done to her enemies.
Coulter’s comments about blowing up the NYTimes was rather clear. If someone said that the White House should be bombed I am sure people would take exception.
Ben,
What were your comments on the several hundered targets I listed that were hit by terrorists?
what list? not ringing a bell right now – and is it clear they were civilian targets instead of military ones?
My point exactly.
I would think that you would agree with me that a military target is legitimate? So, if the resistence in Palestine hits a military occupation force target that is legitimate.
I vaguely recall you listing some Israeli targets that were hit – most were military targets. The others were hit by attacks coming originating from inside Greater Israel where the Palestinian “government” has no authority.
This past few days Palestinian militants have targeted civilian targets in reprisal for Palestinian civilians being targeted by Israeli attacks. That is wrong on BOTH sides. Unfortunately the US will only condemn the reprisals and not the reason for the reprisals.
BH,
ALL adult Israelis, men and women are military reservists so they are ALL defacto military targets. Only the ultra Othordox jews are exempt from service.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!
On that we disagree Ian. As long as they stay on their side of the Green Line I would consider them to be non-combatants as long as they are not active duty.
Ann Coulter is going to say whatever mean thing comes into her head. She’s the darling of the uber-conservative wing of the republican party and she’s only saying what they feel. I’m surprised she hasn’t advocated killing Liberals.
I don’t see why not – they taste just like chicken./sarcasm
(at least I post when I’m being sarcastic);)
XXX – she has – at least any who work for the NYTimes.
“The Jersey Girls entered the political arena. They capitalized on the death of their husbands to lend credibility to their political rants”
Im tired of this arguement. What the widows did was react to the major castorphe in their life, to try to improve the lives and safety of others. Similiar to the lady that started MADD, similar to the numerous charities that have been started because of ones own inflicting disease. When the widows saw that FUCK-UP(Bush) was not the one who supported their ideals, then they decided to go with the better option (Kerry). They spoke out in the Presidental election because they knew Bush was not the right man to keep the homeland secure. (sure you can say there havent been any attacks, but sadly they will more in likely happen again).
Ann Coulter would not have wrote about them, if they would have supported Bush.
GaryC.
“Ann Coulter would not have wrote about them, if they would have supported Bush.”
Well DUH!
Of course Ann wouldn’t have written about them! They would be vilified by the main stream media and every liberal political pundit just like the Swift Boat Vets were!
One of the most idiotic comments so far!
Hank
Coulter is a “Real American Gal” who stands by her man! You all are just upset that her man she stands behind is the Prez! You all are just a bunch of Kansas liberal Bush haters. Coulter has the courage to speak her mind – at least she and GW have one!
Ann Coulter is Satan. She has displaced Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson
She is like Gasbag Rush, and whomever is on the far other end of the spectrum. The more you pay them , the faster they pander to you and the more they spew. Facts need not apply- they’ll manufacture their own.
“Of course Ann wouldn’t have written about them! They would be vilified by the main stream media and every liberal political pundit just like the Swift Boat Vets were”
I do recall some widows and widowers of 9/11 being in support of Bush. But I dont recall the MSM running them through the mud for it. I have also yet to see tough criticism aimed at relatives of fallen soldiers who support Bush.
Besides I had never even heard of the Jeresy-Girls until last week. Sounds like Ann decided to beat up on the stricken to make a buck.
And who are these liberals shes always complaining about? If its those who vote democrat than shes directing attack at close to half of the voters in this country.
Ann Coulter is like the rest of the pundit crowd. Randi Rhoads and the rest of them on Air America.
Dear GaryC.
“Besides I had never even heard of the Jeresy-Girls until last week.”
You might not be bright enough to participate in this thread in any meaningful way. I’ll post this link again for you again:http://www.opinionjournal.com/medialog/?id=110004950
Get back to us when you’ve done your homework.
Hank
Looks like Mary Fairy’s book is a dud . . . who knew?
“But a funny thing happened on the way to literary success: Mary Cheney’s not enjoying any. Her book has only sold less than 6,000 copies since its May 9 release. During the week of June 3, for instance, “Now It’s My Turn” sold a mere 574 copies. So while it may be somebody’s turn, it’s most certainly not Cheney’s.
“Cheney’s push to sell books started the same way most right-wing pushes go: Lash out at Democrats. Cheney criticized 2004 Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry and his vice presidential candidate John Edwards for mentioning her during the debates. When Edwards discussed her during the vice presidential debate with her father, Cheney went so far as to mouth the words at Edwards that her father made famous a few years ago: Go fuck yourself. Looks like the quail didn’t fall too far from the hunter. She also accused the pair of playing “sleazy” politics by mentioning her sexual orientation.
“That Cheney thinks the Democrats use sexual orientation as a political ploy is a notion as laughable as her book sales. Which party used statewide gay marriage bans to lure conservative voters to the polls in 2004? Which party is actively seeking to keep gay Americans from adopting? Which party spent valuable time last week proclaiming as their top priority a constitutional ban on gay marriage, a priority shared by only 3 percent of bigoted Americans? Oh, that’s right, the Republican Party.
“The Republican Party, Mary, isn’t your party. It’s the party of Rick Santorum. It’s the party of James Dobson. It’s the party of Pat Robertson. It’s the party that thinks cartoon characters are turning young Americans into young gay Americans. It’s the party that says movies like “Brokeback Mountain” try to “humanize homosexuality”. It’s the party that would rather take up a doomed amendment that would take away your rights than address Iraq, Iran, terrorism or immigration.”
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BobcatJH/87
She’s a bitch who has no boundries when it comes to stirring sh*t up in order to sell books. To say that anyone, regardless of their political affiliation, enjoyed the death of one of their loved ones is really hitting below the belt. She has no soul and can burn in hell for all I care. Amazes me how quick the wingnuts will defend cruelty as long as it’s perpetrated by one of their own.—–
Dear Damoon,
Read the link above. Get back to us later.
Hank
Good heavens! Nathan met Ann Coulter in person and he didn’t turn to STONE!
Good thing you didn’t look right at her.
Or maybe she was wearing a bag on her head?
“You might not be bright enough to participate in this thread in any meaningful way. I’ll post this link again for you again:”
Give me a break for not knowing who they where. I honestly dont recall the “Jeresy Girls” playing a major part in the presidental campaign. At least not here in Kansas anyway.
And Hank Im not the Bush-supporter around here. You are!!! And that my friend is an obvious sign of your intelligence.
Gary C?
You go right on posting! And you are doing very well.
Don’t be disssuaded by Hanks posts that “you are uninformed and bring nothing to the debate”. He says that to anyone who he cannot post a cogent arguement against.
What is funny in Hanks dismissal of your posts is that he continually bitches that he will not be driven off the blog himself when all HE ever does is “dismiss” other bloggers.
Ah but I always stick to the thread even if Hank does not.
Coulter says (paraphrasing, I’d not directly read her trash much less buy her book)
“Well who can know if their husbands were not planning to divorce them?” in reference to the widows she says are gleeful in their husbands deaths.
Anybody ever seen Annie with a man? I mean if we can get pics of Julia Roberts in a thong we should be able to see whether any man has ever paid any physical attention to Coulter shouldn’t we? But there is nothing. Prove me wrong?
So MAYBE Annie Coulter is to quote Dr Ruth “sexually frustrated”.
My guess is she does not know what sex she is…..or what species for that matter!
Hank, I really don’t care if people agree or disagree, like or loath “The Jersy Girls”. My point is that NO ONE with any sense of decency would have made the comments that Coulter made. You totally miss the point, as usual.
Think of it this way, Hank, what if Nathan died in the 9/11 attack and someone made a public statement that you enjoyed his death because you were going to profit from it somehow, just so they could sell a book.What she said is dispicable and proves how low she’ll stoop to make money.
Dear Damoon,
Did you read the link?
I didn’t miss the point, I chose to ignore it. I’m too busy trying to make a point of my own!
First of all, losing Nathan in 9/11 isn’t the same as losing a spouse. Losing Nathan would not have qualified me for the minimum of 1.6 million dollars that the Jersey Girls got in the big 9/11 lottery. This is on top of what ever money they recieved from insurance, company benefits, etc.
You really need to read Ann’s book. There are comments in there that are more outrageous than her little poke at the Jersey Girls. If you don’t read her book, then all you have to go on is the MSM take on it. I’ll loan you my copy if you want, that way you can read it without contributing to Ann’s own personnal millions, money she has earned, unlike the Jersey Girls!
Hank
The “settlements” to 9-11 families were actually pay-offs to keep them from suing the Bush administration for gross neglience.
A very few didn’t take the money and went ahead and took legal action against Bush. People like John Ashcroft were warned not to fly commercial jets as early as June of 2001.
Those lawsuits are now moving through the court system.
Really Jayhawk?
Did they have to sign a waiver if they took the money?
Are you really so dense that you actually believe that nonsense? Or are you so contemptuous of our intelligence that you think we would believe that crap?
Just wondering.
Hank
If Hank Price hasn’t heard about it, it must be “crap.”
Here’s the link, my friend.
http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/9.html
Educate yourself.
Interesting link.
I read it and it appears that Phillip Berg is using a poor 9/11 widow to make a political attack on the administration. Now I can say from an ‘educated’ point of view that it is crap.
Perfectly OK for a liberal politican to use these poor widows, but if Ann calls them on it. suddenly a line has been crossed. Keep us informed of theis lawsuits progress. I doubt that other than to excite a few left-wing nitwits it will serve no purpose.
Hank
Gosh, someone asks a question about Luke Tiahrt’s suicide, and the price boys wanna bring out the big guns and shoot anyone who disagrees.
Then godless says the 9/11 widows are harpies, they should take their money and shut up, and hey, we dont even know if they may have been divorced by now if hubbies had lived.
Hank and nathan and heckler and outlander defend her comments. Wow, that is enough hypocricy to fill a truck driven by those leftist, coffee swilling, cig smoking, keno playing farmers.
Only in kansas would such outrageous hypocricy not only be given a pass, but actually applauded. And no one sees a problem with that?
I see hank, nathan, et al are pretty empowered these days, are making outrageous personal attacks, defending coulter, and have taken up the dirty fight against the truth speaking, truth seeking people here.
Nice work empowering them. Any comments NOW about civilized discussion?
Look at their attacks on JR and tell me how they have the moral high ground. Look at hank and his “meaningful contributions” comments. Look at nathan’s treatments and then tell me WHO tries to run people off this blog.
Oh but we are all for civility on this blog. I guess it couldnt be that the talibaners here just used your weakness to get what they wanted. NOW they get to be able to bash anyone who disagrees with them without fear of retaliation.
Getting rid of tb and others who can deal with them on their own terms might not have been such a good move, unless you just wanted to clear the decks for THEIR pronoucements.
God, guns and gays, coulter is good but questioning tanker todd’s family values is bad. And that is from the LEFT?
Where is gmc when a fellow gun nut makes outrageous statements? Polishing his blue barrel no doubt.
Okay, Mr. Price, I take it that since you said nothing about the widow rejecting the settlement so that she could file suit, you acknowledge that the settlements were in fact pay-offs to limit liability and law suits.
I don’t know if they had to sign waivers or not, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
Thanks for acknowledging that you were wrong.
“Thanks for acknowledging that you were wrong.”
I wouldnt wait too long jayhawk. Notice his “apology” for insulting JR and rubbing salt into the wound of unemployement ALSO carried another “joking” attack, and this time, not just against JR, but he took a swipe at JR living with his Mom. Do you know WHY JR is supporting his mom after his dad’s death? Probably not, but then, facts dont really matter to the price boys and their gmc/heck/outie/ruby/sts etc. supporters.
We met Mom, Hank. You didnt. But please, go ahead and take a swipe at her, since you dont know her like you do tanker todd, it must be ok, right? And helping to raise her grandson, that isnt a family value, right? YOU hold the patent on what family values are acceptable.
Hank, you should have HALF the character JR’s MOM has, and if you had one quarter of JR’s character and paranting ability…
…you would be well served. We see the evidence of your success here.
But I guess if hank,nathan,outlander,heckler do it, it must be ok. IF tb asks a question, it is cause for howling. But the talibaners here say even MORE outrageous things, but you think they hold the moral high ground? Jesus wept.
CF is right. Family IS the mother of all IOKIYAAR. Attack JR and his family, just fine. Attack the families of the victims of 9/11, ok.
Ask questions about tanker todd and his family? Evil, scum sucking pigs with no decency, according to gmc, et al.
Once again, nice work for empowering these jerks. How is that being nice to them stuff been working over the past week?
Judo. They just turned your strenghts and weaknesses against you. Please continue all that civility.
Dear Jayhawk,
I did not admit I was wrong. A GOOGLE search of Mr. Berg indicates that he is little more than a second rate political hack and a third rate attorney.
He has lost malpractice complaints against him and he has been censured by the Pennsylvania Bar Ass. Now he’s using a poor confused widow for political means.
You are truly a left wing nit wit.
Don’t bother responding, I’ll be gone for a few days.
Hank
Dear ksfarmgrrl,
Does this mean our sushi date is off?
Hank
“Dear Jayhawk,
I did not admit I was wrong.”
Told ya so jayahawk.
Mr. Price–
I see you did a fine job of slandering the former attorney-general of Pennsylvania, good on you!
But if I could humbly refer you back to the post in question, you claimed that the settlements had no relationships to waiving liability claims against the Bush administration.
This link shows that–whatever one thinks of Philip Berg–the settlements were tied to an agreement of seeking no further damages.
That’s why this widow chose not to accept the million dollar hush-money.
If you can present some information in the form of linked material to show that the settlements in no way stopped further liability suits from proceeding, I’d be happy to take a look at it.
Maybe Ann Coulter has something about it in her book?
“…1.6 million dollars that the Jersey Girls got in the big 9/11 lottery…”
Would showing basic human decency be so hard for you Mr. Price?
Never mind, I know the answer to that one.
I had no idea that hank supported plagerism, but given his notable distain for reasoning and education, he might not care that the godless one has been nailed, repeatedly, for shamelessly copying, without credit, the work of other people. Maybe that is why hank doesnt mind giving away copies of her book.
Others do the real work, then coulter reaps the financial rewards. VEEEERRRRRY republican of her.
The rude pundit has been doing research on her copy work. Good article if you can stand the rude language.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Do I hear the sound of one hand clapping? It sounds suspiciously like the sound of the righties calling their attack dog to heel.
Silent.
Attacking and ridiculing people for their tragic losses & misfortune is what can be expected from some around here. I objected to these same things when they derived from someone I respect.
I have been in touch with TB. He is making a decision about what works best for him at this time. I doubt we have heard the last from him.
I hope TB does make it back. I don’t always agree with him but I do admire the fact that he doesn’t hold back with his opinions.
I’ve been in touch with tb as well.
We have had some good laughs at these posts.
I think we see how well things go here when no one stands up to the wingnuts. You just keep being polite and they just keep being themselves….ruthless.
I think that is what the freepers call a circular liberal firing squad.
I cant WAIT to see one of the outraged call them to heel here.
tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.
Still waiting…
I have always thought that Ann Coulter is one of two things.
She is either the head of the fascist wing of the Republican Party, continuing the traditions established by the mentors that she admires most, Goebbels and Riefenstahl. She hopes that her rhetoric will enflame the passions of enough idiots that a Kristallnacht type event will occur in this country directed at liberals, gays and the other boogymen they fear the most.
Or, she is pulling an elaborate Andy Kaufmann type prank on the fundie, right wing morons that buy her books and applaud her rhetoric. As soon as she has them eating out of the palm of her hand, she will annouce her true identity as a transvestite, atheist liberal that hates America and voted for both Clinton and Kerry. Society will laugh at all of the right wingers that were duped by a women that used their own fear and hatred to make them look like fools.
I dont know, R O’H….
“Society will laugh at all of the right wingers that were duped by a women that used their own fear and hatred to make them look like fools.”
They have a president who duped all the right wingers by using their own fear and hatred to make them look like fools.
No one is laughing yet…other than KKKarl rove, ken mehlman, dead eye dick cheney, tom delay…
and did I mention karl rove? He must be laughing his butt off at how he and his duped the righteous right wing.
I prefer to keep hope alive. I would much rather believe that Coulter is pulling a prank on the right wing hate brigrade than believe that there is a large group of people that actually agree with the crap she writes in a country with a wide variety of firearms available to any bumpkin with a credit card.
Large numbers of right wing evangelical Christians are only one Bible verse or bad day at work away from a murderous rampage designed to make it safe for Jesus to come back. And we all know that the Messiah is not coming back while there are still free range gay people around.
Coulter’s ex-boyfriend, the son of Penthouse publisher, Bob Gucione, says her routine is all put on. But ex-boyfriends may not always be the best source for objective information. You have to consider the context as our Nathan would say.
Sigh,
Here I am back to the old days of getting late to the fight.So much to get to here!Hank? How would you regard a link to michaelmoore.com or the Daily Kos?
Think on that. Then know I and many others have a similar attitude to your link to the Wall street Journal!
Dif is I guess YOU would call “tinhat” while I call “gold hat”You are Hank, as ever illustrative of just how wrong wrong can be.
I always stick with the thread and am enabled to do so here.
What? Coulter cries foul that actual victims of 911 demand some accountability from their government? Hypocrisy I say. Perhaps when I get my computer I can find the instance on the Bill O’Reilly show where Coulter broke down in tears because USA today had demanded accountability from HER on the occasion her service to them as reporter of the DEM convention. She went loose cannon and they fired her.
“Wahhhh it’s not fair.” she wailed. “They know who I am. They know how I write!” Wahhhh “It’s so unfair!”
I guess victimhood and attempt at redress is relative. But then none of Coulters relatives were hurt by her firing.
That was to topic. Now the rest.
Kansasfarmgrrl my pal. Thank you. You ARE off thread, but your defense of me in the face of the Coulter like Hank Price is noted and appreciated. You are the best.
I am NOT in contact with TB. I did stand with him as long as I could and thought fair on that ohsocontentious thread that shall not be named. I remember saying in his defense that the right fights dirty, does not police its own who go “over the line” and that maybe we needed to fight accordingly.
Well this Coulter book seems to confirm that! The posts from the bushbot wingnut right this last week since the left “civil war” would tend to suggest that the right regarded our concerns for civility among our own as an invitation for them to be as uncivil as possible. You know, like Hanks trolling for me on a thread I had not posted (Rove thread) And Joe Williams assertion that absence of my posts was evidence that I had been banned for “threats”? (also Rove thread) Hanks attempt to discredit and silence the new poster Gary C (this thread)
So I say TB come on back. We need you.
Seconded JR. Back atchya too!! And say hi to Mom and not-that-nathan. Beesley says woof woof to him too!
And still no righties chastizing their own on civility. But then, who really expected it?
And on the godless topic, Peter Dau has a great take on it today.
A Watershed Moment: Media Use Coulter to Suggest Blogs Are Impotent
Anybody who watched Ann Coulter’s June 14th appearance on the Tonight Show had to realize that it was a watershed moment in the war between the establishment media and the progressive netroots, a community fresh off the successful YearlyKos convention.
It was also a signal to Democrats that liberal ideology can be denigrated with impunity. Had the words “Jew” or “Christian” or “Conservative” been substituted for “Liberal” we’d be waking up to a national scandal.
Never mind that Jay Leno and George Carlin sat like trembling lambs while Coulter spewed gutter-level invective at millions of Americans – we’ve already seen the same obsequiousness from Larry King, Matt Lauer (who ended his faux-debate with Coulter by saying “always fun to have you”) and others.
The larger issue here is that despite an uproar from the progressive netroots, NBC saw fit to give Coulter a platform to continue her liberal-scapegoating and to slander women who lost their husbands on 9/11.
(For the record, many rightwing bloggers denounced Coulter and several Democrats attacked her, but their focus was the substance of Coulter’s words, not a criticism of the media outlets who continue to provide her a national forum.)
Lots of coulter defenders here. Same ones whining about civility.
TRUCK loads of hypocricy.—–
More rude language as the rude pundit lays out even MORE coulter plagiarism.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
I find it amusing that the BushBots will complain about any criticism of the Busdabeast but not about wishing people dead as Coulter did with the people who work at the NYTimes.
Thanks JR, (for your support now and THEN) ksfrmgrl and Darwin’s D too. Hello, Julie!
I pledged that I’d take two weeks off before I posted again, but since a few folks are wondering what’s up, I thought I’d post.
My significant other made a good suggestion when I filled her in on what is going on . . . she said that since the Eagle has totally abrograted its responsibility for monitoring this slow-motion train wreak, we ourselves should come up with some rules and standards for posting.
Not an endless list, but something manage-able. For instance, it’s a total cheap-shot to lay into somebody because you met them at a meet-up and you ridicule their car or what family member they live with, especially when that is a result of necessity not of choice.
That is really over the line and just plain despicable.
The question is how could we enforce the rules we agree on once we agreed on them.
Every other decent discussion board–like FReepublic or DemocraticUnderground just to name the two biggest–has moderators that can pull posts and ban post-ers permanently.
Here, they just let the blatant racism, the ad baculum threats, and the personal cheap shots fly.
How much abuse are people going to stand before somebody does agree to meet “face-to-face” and kicks somebody’s ass?
The Eagle has got to get a handle on this, but like so many things, it probably won’t change until the worst happens and the Eagle gets sued . . . justifiably, in my estimation.
I agree w/ TB (gasp! I am unclean /sarcasm). We need to set some ground rules of what’s going to be fair game and what’s off limits.My proposal is the next ‘open thread’ is used for this purpose.For the record – I’m glad you’re back TB.
And before anybody says, “well, you yourself are the biggest offender,” let me point out that I then should have my posts pulled, and get banned if necessary.
Good to see ya tb.
It just isnt the same here without ya!
TB/LF/PL?galahad,
I take it that you are bucking for the job of blog commisar in charge of moderation and banning? rotflmosrfao
You, sir, represent the wing of the demorat party that stands for censorship, gun confiscation, hate hotlines, anti-white, anti Souhtern hate and all other forms of decrepit political correctness. Whenever some lowlife, neo-con hack wins an election you and your ilk should pat yourseleves on the back because you make it possible. The neo-con artists can say “we might be bad” but the lh/tb/pl/galahad wing of the dems are the party of affirmative balcktion, and even worse immigration policies and they are right!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!!!
so Ian, how do you really feel?
Yup, there’s exhibit A.
No wonder he wants things as they are. Also, the sick freak lives in Boston. Pretty hard to get to him . . .
It’s ironic, isn’t it?
When you’re a total flake like Ian, you can say whatever you want and no one will call you on it (except for Crus X occasionally) because nobody takes it seriously.
Back to Man Coulter… *grin*
I was gone last night, NOT enjoying the end of X-Men3, and missed Leno. Forgot to set the VCR. Would a sane person please fill me in? I can’t imagine George Carlin as a trembling lamb, although I can easily see Coulter spewing.
And they talk about bad language from the left…
Welcome back, TB. I apologize for giving you any grief over the unpleasantness. It has not been the same without you.
I agree with the idea of establishing some kind of standards for posting. I think that may be hard to do, though.
Any way, very good to see you again.
“No wonder he wants things as they are. Also, the sick freak lives in Boston. Pretty hard to get to him ”
pl/tb/lh/galahad,
Is that a threat you little f*cking punk?
Ian
I note you do not dispute what TB has posted. A tad defensive?
I have defended you before in your absence. So back off TB.”blog standards” hmmmm
I gotta get caught up before I say more.
I would like to clear the record as to a personal matter for friend and foe alike.
Hank Price’s cheap shots aside, I DO NOT live with my mom. That said, I would not fell terribly bad if I did.
The Republican control of government has created a condition where MANY folks are forced to “return to the nest” among them college graduates.
Pretty neat deal for the right. They get to create conditions that put people in desperate straights and then bash on them for being in them!
JR,
I am not in Boston anymore if anyone wants to try and “get me”. Am I a “sick freak”; I guess that is a matter of opinion. I rarely lose my cool and rarely use profanity but threats or implied threats set me off!
When I was back in Boston I had some Jews threaten to throw acid in the face of my wife and my then two year old daughter because I exposed their “holocau$t” nonsense. I didn’t put up with their threats and I won’t cotton to any from your newly appointed, hysterical. hypocrite, leftist attack monkey! Got it, JR? Good!!!
Go fu*k yourself, Ian!!! OK…got that off my chest, NOW I’ll play by the rules.
I was disappointed in Leno and George Carlson for not challenging Coulter more, George could have made an ass of her if he wanted to, but he just sat and listened to her spew her venom. Maybe he’s getting older, just doesn’t have the energy, and couldn’t care less about what she says or does.
Ian–
I am not threatening you.
Why would I complain about threats and then threaten somebody?
It was simply an observation that when one is in no danger of being threatened, one need not worry about it.
You remain a sick freak, however.
Dear JR,
The very best waty to deal with you is cheap shots. You don’t seem to have any qualms about leveling a never ending stream of cheap shots yourself.
The comments you made about my marriage history come to mind, in that prticular thread I had not said anything to you or about you. You were responding to a comment I had made to XXX.
As far as your mother goes, I don’t know her. Mentioning that she might watch soap operas is hardly an ‘attack’. As far as calling you a little man, I’m amused that you have called me out on that one! I’ve offered to meet you in private and openly on the BLOG.
I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll respond to you civil manner if you recprocate. Or, ignore me and I’ll ignore you. Otherwise, quit whining if I respond to you with the vitriol that you seem to enjoy using on me.
Hank
PS. I’ll still buy your lunch someday.
Hank, stop, hehehehehe, yer killin’ me!!! Laughing so hard…
We saw how your brand of civility worked. We saw how, when the libs stopped posting, you and yours spread out, relaxed, and got really comfy with the space to expand on your cheap shots, your hate disguised by lame jokes, and your denegration of anyone who “politely” disagreed with you.
It was an experiment. It worked. You showed the true christian civility of you and yours and your ilk. It was as clear as the bell that dings on stupid posts.
You had your chance. Want civility? Fine. You first. Some will follow your lead. As for me, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice….NEVER!
From now on, any comments on civility by you, nathan, heckler, joe blow, et al. will be met with what those comments deserve.
Laughter.
But please, keep the jokes coming. We are amused, and we encourage you to try again.
heheheh, and I see you STILL have not called out anyone on your side for cheapness and meaness.
You still have not retracted your comments defending and even PROMOTING ol’ godless here.
Hank, nathan, and coulter.
Terry, joe and fred.
Shrub, dead eye and rummy.
You are indeed known by the company you keep.
Dearest ksfarmgrrl,
When was the last time I posted an uncivil comment toward you? Generall speaking you can spew more vitriol in a single entry than I do in a week.
I still love ya though,
Hank
I know this link will scare the bejeebus out of some really strong men, but I love it. And read the comments too for more good stuff.
I see how civil these guys were. And Hank, we aint gonna take this crap from you and yours anymore. If that makes us uncivil, well, too bad. I’d rather be uncivil than unamerican.
Oh, and the title of this post? My Run-In with a Fundie….
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×2677845
Coming from me it is vitriol but coming from your side it’s gentle people humor?
heheh.
Put all the lipstick on that pig you want.
Where is Ken Mehlman when you need him to spray perfume on a few turds?
No, you dont attack me much anymore, but I am not under any illusion that it is because you agree with me or respect me or my life or the people I love.
It is because I fight back and give as good as I get. I see how well the high road works for others. You could have shamed me and tb by being civil during our experiment. But you didnt. Dont make me bone dig. We see.
The only way to deal with you and your trolling chums is judo. You pick on the nice guys, and leave me alone.
And still no apology concerning your unqualified support of coulter? Hehehe. Just stay on that high road.
I guess there is a lesson in that somewhere.
Dear ksfarmgrrl,
To compare me with Phelps is beyond dispicable. That’s why I pretty much ignore you, you are not a nice person.
As far as Ann COulter goes, she makes a living by being nasyty to liberals. Don’t like her, don’t buy her books. I think she’s funny. No apology.
Hank
incivility from coulter = good
incivility from kfg = bad
got it!
“To compare me with Phelps is beyond dispicable.”
I should have said
incivility of coulter = funny
incivility of farmgirl = dispicable
heheeh
I did puzzle over this a bit, even though, in truth, I do think the only difference is military funeral picketing.
I didnt recall comparing hank to fred. I only meant to put hank, nathan and coulter in the same group. I wondered.
Then I got it.
ROFLMQAO!!!!!!!! HE really does see himself in the company of ALL these folks. ROFLMAO!!!! Wiping tears, ROFLMQAO!!!!!!!!!!
Repost
Hank, nathan, and coulter.
Terry, joe and fred.
Shrub, dead eye and rummy.
You are indeed known by the company you keep.
Oh MAN, still laughing. I was trying to be charitable, but heck, hank likes being compared to all these guys…heheheh…. except for fred.
And if fred left the soldiers alone and continuted every other antic he has pulled?
“I bet” hank would be silent.
TOO funny. Ya just cant make this stuff up!!!!!
hee hee hee
I like having code words.
AFFLACK!!!!
I bet!!!!!!!
Go Cheney yerself!!!!!
This is not a pipe!!!!!!
heheh. We have more too.
Dearest ksfarmgrrl,
I was referring to your comments in general. You habitually compare Christians to Phelps. Dispicable.
Are you playing dumb or are you really so naturally nasty that you are dumb?
Just wondering.
Hank
It’s dumb speak hank.
Like a dog whistle.
Smart people cant hear it. But dumb people?
Well, you keep responding…
heheh, but I am an equal opportunity offender. I am not exempting other religions.
I do routinely compare 70+ percent of kansans to fred. They differ from him only by degree.
The additional fact that the vast majority of those voters are christian?
I didnt make that up. That’s their choice.
incivility from coulter = funny
incivility from farmie = dumb
got it!
I watched Coulter on Bill Maher with Marilyn Manson, and remember thinking how reasonable, intelligent and caring Manson seemed.
Did you see Manson in Bowling for Columbine?
His were among the most reasoned and intelligent comments in the movie.
Just goes to show you cant judge a book by its cover.
True, Frmgrl. I was really impressed by his sensitivity and intelligence.
Have either of you actually listened to any of his music, watched his videos, or seen the many other things he says in public?
I have heard it all now…
Of course, people like “I wish they blew up the NYTimes Counter” are the type BushBot Nathan loves!
Ben,
Of all the things she has said Ben, that is one of the more mild ones to throw in my face.
I am sure you could find much better if you were to actually do some research on these things.
Damoon,
Why are you always so mean to me? Please cut it out, okay.
V.L.R.B!!!
“I do routinely compare 70+ percent of kansans to fred. They differ from him only by degree.”
One of the more incredibly stupid things ever said.
Remember what I posted a while back, KFG? You keep making my point for me. Need I say more?
KFG is a one trick pony. She has chosen to be gay, she demands special privledge for her choice.
Anyone who disagrees with her she will belittle and lable all in the same group.
Nathan-Sounds like you except for the gay part;do you honestly think that somone conscientiously chooses to be gay?
Gster,
I think it is a culmination of many choices made throughout someones life which have been influenced by society, culture, and whatnot. Sometimes, yes, it can be just one more abrupt decision too.
Oh…
when was the last time I made a blanket comparison of any percentage of people to phelps gster or something similar?
Say what? I must have misunderstood , or I’m in the midst of circular logic.
Nathan-I respect your opinion, but what choices could lead one to decide to become gay? Can you lead me through the thought processes that leads a guy to wake up one morning, to decide that hairy guys are for him?I can’t.
I could speculate, but I don’t really know.
Why do people choose to kill themselves?
I doubt many of them just woke up one morning and said to themselves that they want to die. Most of the time they are depressed and will show signs.
Why do people choose to kill/
I doubt most killers just woke up one day and said I’m going to kill someone.
it could be many things which lead people to make the choices they do, it is still a choice though.
Nathan-What in the hell does deciding to be gay have to do with murder? Answer the question , or is this when you turn one me??
Turn on you?
It is called an anaolgy.
There is probably not any set methodolgy for making that choice. Perhaps similar circumstances or feelings, but I don’t know.
I have not chosen to be gay nor have I had any desire to do so.
I suppose I could to a google search on people who chose to do homosexual things and called themselves gay and then chose to be normal. That would be a place to start.
Ya know? It’s been a long time since my adolescence. But I honestly cannot remember when it was I CHOSE to be heterosexual.
Give it up gster. You are learning what it is to engage Nathan in one on one debate. I’ve had well nigh onto a year of it. As I posted to another thread, in debate Nathan brings the product of his conservatively thinking upbringing and religious training. Said simpler, he is right because he is right and god says so so he can never be wrong.
GMC? Get over yourself.
“She has chosen to be gay, she demands special privledge for her choice.”
Nathan: I did not say that; please don’t impune such a position to me. It’s not about sexual orientation.
And JR: That’s not a refutation, I note. Perhaps acquiescence?
The reason why the Christian fundamentalists insist that sexuality it a choice is because that way they can equate it with the choice to “sin”, making it easy to condemn something that makes them uncomfortable. The “love the sinner but hate the sin”, it such bullsh**t, people hate what they fear and they fear what they don’t understand, it’s that simple. The Christian expression of care and concern for the gay person is just a facade that covers their hatred and intolerance. If they were really worried about someone’s soul, they’d focus more on condemning the child molestors, crooked CEOs, and those who perpetrate war for their own greed and need for power.
Damoon,
Here with your typical hasty generalizations and distrotions about Christians I see.
“The reason why the Christian fundamentalists insist that sexuality it a choice is because that way they can equate it with the choice to “sin”,”
We don’t equate it with sin, the Bible cleary says it is.
“making it easy to condemn something that makes them uncomfortable.”
Damoon, the sorry thing is that you think people being gay makes us umcomfortable. It doesn’t bother me a bit. It didn’t bother any of my friends either.
“The “love the sinner but hate the sin”, it such bullsh**t,”
It really isn’t. That is what we believe.
“people hate what they fear and they fear what they don’t understand, it’s that simple.”
I understand it just fine and I don’t fear it at all. Of all the churches and denominations I have been a part of none of them had this additude either.
“The Christian expression of care and concern for the gay person is just a facade that covers their hatred and intolerance.”
What hate Damoon? Intolerant, sure. Christians don’t tolerate sin.
“If they were really worried about someone’s soul, they’d focus more on condemning the child molestors, crooked CEOs, and those who perpetrate war for their own greed and need for power.”
Damoon,
If you actually went to church instead of sitting here attacking it, you might know that less than 1% of any thing they preach has to do with homosexuality.
I probably spent an entire year going to church services without hearing our preacher give a sermon on it or against it.
If it makes you feel better about yourself to beleive the crap you do about Christians, I hope you do. The things you post are unfouned and nothing more than the same typical anti-Christian crap you always spouse here.
Does going to church actually make one a “Christian”?
Does not attending a church make one a “non-Christian”?
Apophis,
Why do you ask that question? Are you honestly seeking to find out or just trying to trip me up?
I only ask because it “seems” like a disingenuios question.
Waaaa, Waaaaa, MOTHER gmc and nathan are being mean to me…
Waaaa, Waaa….
give me a break.
Gmc, if you think I am ashamed of my words, or if you think somehow I am making a point for you…yer welcome.
And in case anyone missed it the last time, this is what I said that upset poor gmc:
“I do routinely compare 70+ percent of kansans to fred. They differ from him only by degree.”
Please feel free to post it again.
Maybe we need Michael Moore to follow gmc and nathan in his pink bus. This is what he did to poor fred.
http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/06/michael-moore-vs-fred-phelps.html
Oh, and I cant WAIT for the next installment of “sister mary nathan explains it all to you”.
Hee hee. I love hearing nathan ’splainin’ why some folks are gay and some are not.
Hee hee hee. Popping the popcorn right now. This is good!
“What hate Damoon? Intolerant, sure. Christians don’t tolerate sin.”
heheheheh.
So why no sin-intolerant constitutional amendment on divorce? On straight adultry? On sex outside of marriage?
I see that SOME sins are well tolerated. Others…eh…well… not so much.
In NO way is this a disingenuios question. I think it is very appropriate.
Are you scared to answer these questions Nathan?
Lies, and the lying liars who tell them. The more they spin, the more ya need to question them and their bogus facts. See anyone familiar here?
http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=E2052862-F0B1-BBFA-8841975A74376882
See the “numbers” thread for a description of nathan’s predictable exit.
Apophis,
I am not scared to anser the question at all.
“Does going to church actually make one a “Christian”?”
No.
“Does not attending a church make one a “non-Christian”?”
No.
Just “no”? What makes an individual a Christian or non-Christian then?
KFG,
There are some instances in which divorce is not a sin.
Regardless, the purpose of supporting a constitutional amendment against special privledges for those who choose to be gay is not soley based on my belief or what I think is sin or is not sin.
The amendment doesn’t stop you from sinning KFG. It doesn’t stop you from being gay. It doesn’t stop you from doing whatever homosexual things it is that you do either.
The amendment just prevents you from getting state recognition for your choice to be gay.
So go be as gay as you want to be KFG, I am not stopping you. I am just not supporting a government endorsement of your lifestyle choice.
Apophis,
The most commonly held view on what makes someone a Christian or not and mine too is that you believe that Jesus is the Son of God sent to die for your sins.
Actions don’t count for anything in the classification of being a Christian?
Special privledges? That’s an old meme nathan. Surely you can do better than that one!
Special priveledges? heheh
When you get married it is your right. When I want to get married it is a special privledge.
Heheheheheheheh. good one.
State recognition of the adulterous straight lifestyle = ok
EQUAL “privledges” under the law for me = state recognition of sin
your marriage = your civil rights
my marriage = special privledges.
got it.Next wingnut meme?
Divorce is a sin?? New medication Nathan?
Apophis,
If you do believe that Jesus is the Son of God then you will do good actions.
Matthew 7:15-23
15″Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16″You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17″So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18″A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19″Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20″So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21″Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22″Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
23″And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
KFG,
It is pretty simple. You choose to be gay. You want the state to recognize marriage between 2 homosexuals when it currently doesn’t.
That = special privledge for your choice to be gay.
Amendments to the Constitution work best when they change the mechanics of how government operates, not when they are a bald faced attempt to legislate some form of morality.
Thanfully, the course of western history has been to become more inclusive, to identify more closely with the human condition. Progress has been slow, undoubtedly.
Gays will eventually have some form of legally recognized right to live together. If calling this “marriage” gets some people’s shorts in a twist, then it’ll be called something else in the short term.
Monogamous gay relationships are in society’s best interest. Stable family units reduce the incidences of STDs, for example. They help the economy with more home purchases, for example. At a minimum gay unions should be recognized because they help the country. At best they should be recognized because it is the right thing to do.
Brian,
This amendment to the constitution is the way government works.
Currently I think it should be up to the states to determine this. However, in states where people have chosen not to recognize marriage between homosexuals there are judges who are overturning it.
When judges overturn things the route to go is amending the constitution.
This amendment is a reaction to what is happening, not a measure out of no where to force any type of morality on people.
Nathan,I didn’t say anything about the process for amending the Constitution. Isaid amendments, like prohibition, that deal with one group’s view of morality, don’t work. Amending the Constitution was meant primarily as way to change shortcomings in the mechanics of government.
I’d be more inclined to support an amendment which gets rid of the State of the Union address and requires the President to face questions from Congress one afternoon weekly..something like Britain’s parliamentary system.
Hey Nathan?
Upthread I was mentioning that it had been a long time since my adolescence and I could not remember exactly when it was that I made the choice to be heterosexual.
Do you remember when it was that YOU made that choice? And what were the variables you weighed in making it? Is it just because it is what you say God ordained?
I do not mean to ridicule your faith. I can see it is deeply held. But see? I do not share your faith. In fact, I would call religion at large more destructive to society than beneficial. I think we would be better off without it. That said, even if I could I would not forbid people their faith. Silly as I may see it, it is a very deep part of them which I don’t presume authority of, or over.You say gays are seeking “special priveledges” under government. I take it then that you against such a concept. You know, like how churches are exempt from paying taxes while other for profit entities are not? You would join my call to change this? Or is the tax exempt status of churches a SPECIAL special priveledge?
Nathan………you said: “If you do believe that Jesus is the Son of God then you will do good actions.”
Do you really believe this? Fuhrer Bush claims to be a christian and look what he has done. Fred Phelps claims to be a christian and look at his ACTIONS!
Apophis – Now you’ve done it! Nathan now will have to dump on you personally, change the subject, or his speciality, ask irrelvant questions that can’t be answered.Of course, this will be in the context of helping you see “the way”, as he knows best. Buckle up!!
I’ve been putting up with heartlander’s interrogations these past few weeks………I figure I’m ready for almost anything!
Apophis,
Yes I really believe what I said. I answered your questions in good faith.
It turns out you were not asking them to really seek any knowledge, rather set me up for some Bush bashing.
Gster,
So far, on this blog between you and I, I think you are the only one to make things personal…
It doesn’t matter anyhow, the standard for debating here is that there is none.
So stop your crying.
Apophis- Oops- wrong target.
Nathan- Sound like another Midol moment.
Is that the best you can do gster?
You make me laugh. If I met you inperson I would probably laugh more.
Moi?……..bushbashing?
I hardly limit myself to such a narrow topic.
You fundamentalists are so predictable Nathan.
Nathan,Back to the blog: When I called Ann Coulter what I did, I wrote the truth. She says what she does for one thing: money. When you do something, with the only intention of denigrating people, and you do it for money, you are a whore. Ann is a whore.She is not a christian. Christians don’t denigrate people as she does. She is not a journalist. Journalists, in most cases write the truth. She has no interest in the truth. Her ONLY interest is money.
Nathan- What makes you think you deserve my best? You don’t even make my minimums.I think that your world is a scary and frightening place. You seem to know the rules and how things should be , and yetall those people go their own way as if they know something else.Just who do they to think they are? I’m sure you are more than willing to enlighten them.
JM – I think you are dead on. It’s in the Rush-The-Gasbag league.
JM Walker,
And what do you base all that on?
I have read all of her books except for the latest one, I have read most everyone of her columns, I have met her in person and talked with her, I have seen her speak on many different TV shows and do radio programs.
I find your evaluation of her to be little more than personally attacking someone with whom you disagree.
Nathan, you seem to me to be the Al Sharpten of the Christians. Whenever anyone brings up the relevent issue of hyprocrisy within the Christian fundamentalist movement, you always pull the “Christ card” and whine about how we hate Christianity and Christians. Not so, I hate the hyprocrisy I see so much in a religion I grew up loving and still do to this day. I hate what it’s become in the main stream world today. The fundamentalist’s are nothing more than a political movement that endorses intolerance and strives for power and control in the government and has forgotten the mission of bringing the love that Jesus taught to those who want to hear it.
Ann Coulter is sick, if you admire her, Nathan, then you have problems. It’s not so much what she says, but how she says it. She’s a heartless and cruel woman who’s only interested in making money.It makes no difference to me if she “right” or “left” wing, there is no excuse for the hateful things she said.
Nathan,Sexual orientation is not a choice. It’s there from birth. However, your religious brand of prejudice IS a choice, and I hope someday you find it in your heart to unmake it.
Right on, Jed!
Jed- Dead on!Now, kep your head down- you’ve violated the Prime Directive for some.
G,Spent my life violating prime directives of one sort or another, and been told I’m going to get shot or bombed for it. But if I don’t stick up for my friends and for what I see as being right, then I’ve got no reason for being here!
Jed, you ROCK!!!!!!!
Jed
Ditto
Thanks for the strokes, people, it’s nice. I just want to encourage those of you who might be afraid to take a stand on what’s right.
Well said Jed.
Except that in Nathans case the problem is not with his heart but his head.
Nathans prejudice is very deeply buried in the deep reptilian base of his brain. It is this portion of the brain the causes us to blindly follow hierarcical leaders, fear things that are different, and maintain territoriality. In folks like Nathan, and there are many, THIS portion of the brain maintains priority over thought.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/06/20/rightwing-blogger-smears_n_23427.html
And go figure. In a fit of right wing civility, it was a right wing blogger who first attacked the families of the two dead heros found today.
hee hee, reptilian brain. Do ya suppose that is what ruby the snake has going too? heheheheheheh
More on the civil right wing attack on the family of dead soldier. from c and l:
Greg Sargent:
“A couple of minutes ago I came across this Associated Press story saying that the uncle of Kristian Menchaca — one of the U.S. soldiers who was missing and is now said to be dead — criticized the United States for Menchaca’s disappearance and death. My first thought was to do a post asking how long it would take before the wingnuts started smearing the grief-stricken uncle.
Alas, I’m too late. Over at Powerline Blog, John Hinderaker has already cranked up the slime machine and let fly:
“In a sick coda, Menchaca’s uncle, Ken MacKenzie, appeared on the Today show and recited weirdly inapplicable Democratic Party talking points in relation to his own nephew’s death…No shame.”…read on”
I agree with Greg. When does his pain become a Democratic talking point? Only in Hinderaker’s mind in order to smear the man because he’s not on the cult of Bush team.
I’m sure Howard Kurtz is still lining up his favorite blogger for another spot on “Reliable Sources” real soon, but this is down right shameless.
David Weigel points out “Republican infallibility” with this great article: “some hawks actively recruit victims to participate in ad campaigns for the policy/president…read on”
Did godless actually out a REPUBLICAN strategy for using victims?