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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted June 22, 2006 at 12:21 p.m.
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So where was values boy’s column today? Isnt this the day of his pious pronouncements that pass as “editorials”? Was he spewing forth in print and just not in the on-line edition? Did he “conveniently” take some time off on the day of the meetup?
Has the WE finally come to its senses on his embarassment of a column?
Or did the other editorial writers tie him up and put him in a closet?heheh. I know some bears who would like to be in that “closet” with him. heheh
And I am pretty sure it isnt a permanent absence, ’cause if it was, we’d be hearing terry, joe and fred screaming louder than a tortured gitmo prisoner.
Where oh where is values boy today?
Defense Department Disavows Santorum’s WMD Claims
‘Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.
‘Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.” ‘
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/dod-disavows-santorum
I loves the smell of conservative flop-sweat in the morning.
desperation is as desperation does
where is outie?
KFG,It is possible that values boy is on vacation. Most families I know of wait until summer and schools out to go here there and yon.Not defending mind you but offering a possiblity.
I am sure it is possible he is on vacation, otherwise, as I said, his holy roller following would be screaming.
But why would they schedule a meetup if he was on vacation? heheheheheh. Dont they know the bloggers wanna meet him? You mean he doesnt want to meet us, so he bugged out on vacation? Oh, I’m sure it was scheduled before the meetup….
I smell yellow elephant.
hmmm. Seems like little lord pissypants had a little lord hissyfit at the summit.
Seems the folks hosting him are a little different than the hand picked audiences for his staged appearances here.
kkkarl must be beside himself. Read the comments too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×1483795
…and as the culture of corruption continues…
it looks like ralph “christian coalition” may be up next, along with his buddy grover norquist.
Sounds like they might be singing their little hearts out to shorten their jail time.
The title of this is Ralph Reed is Toast.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×1484315
Quote of the Day:
In 1922, the Bolshevik leader Selenkov stated in Moscow: “We must create a climate of anti-nationalism and anti-racialism amongst Whites. We must reduce patriotism and pride of race to meaningless abstractions and make racialism a dirty word”.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!viva La Revolucion Blanco!!!
Um, Ian
I think your quotation is exactly opposite in meaning to your beliefs. This guy is call for an end to patriotism and racial identification. He is, in esence, calling for a world society and in that society, a blindness to racial differeces.
Yes, where is outie? There must be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this. I am missing my RNC talking points for the day…
Wow, thes episcopalian freaks sure ain’t very bright, are thet?
GC2006 : COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as ‘Anti-Jewish’Posted by David Virtue on 2006/6/15 17:20:00 (9608 reads)COLUMBUS, OH: Episcopal Convention Condemns Bible as ‘Anti-Jewish’
By Hans ZeigerVirtueOnline Correspondentwww.virtueonline.org
COLUMBUS, OHIO (6/15/06)-The 75th General Convention of the Episcopal Church today passed a resolution essentially condemning the Bible as an “anti-Jewish” document. Not only does the resolution aim to address perceptions of anti-Jewish prejudice in the Bible and Episcopal liturgy, but it suggests that such prejudice is actually “expressed in…Christian Scriptures and liturgical texts.”
Originated in the Committee on Prayer Book, Liturgy and Music, Resolution C001 directs the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music to “collect and develop materials to assist members of the Church to address anti-Jewish prejudice expressed in and stirred by portions of Christian scriptures and liturgical texts, with suggestions for preaching, congregational education, and lectionary use, and to report to the 76th General Convention.”
Both houses of the Episcopal Church Convention passed the resolution, including a 68 percent approval in the House of Deputies on Thursday…http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4242
viva La Raza Blanco!!!!
Yo, what an awesome time. Thanks, Editors. for the excellent meet. I hope you came away with the impression we’re all normal, somewhat, people.
Phillip, the dialog was done well, and I hope you got some good ideas from us.
Rhonda, much appreciate the tour. I found it fascinating.
I wish I had had more time to talk with the rest of you. Hope some, if not all, of you can make it to the next BBQ, whenever it happens.
Gary, start bloggin! And bring your guitar to the next BBQ.
Awesome time!!!
Great meet up at the Wichita Eagle. It was my first chance to meet the editorial staff, all impressive people. It was a real pleasure to get to talk to Randy, Melissa, Philip, Rhonda, and Richard.
For you regulars that didn’t show up, it’s too bad you skipped the chance to have some input to OUR blog (excepting those who were out of town or my friends, lol!).
Thanks to the editors for the oportunity to sit down and discuss what makes this blog work. I think we’re going to see some interesting things come from our blog.
Wichita EAGLE editorial/opinion staff … thanks for the very informative meetup and tour of the EAGLE’S newspaper production facility. It came off without a hitch. Too bad more people didn’t attend. We discussed several good ideas that might be adopted for improvements to the WE Blog.
I’m in LaJunta at a holiday-inn, preparing for the launch into the high country tomorrow. There’s a computer in the hotel lobby, so guess where I ended up?
Great to hear the meet-up went well. I am sorry I missed the opportunity. But is nice to get away with the spouse, too.
If the weather we encountered is any predictor, you guys should have as much rain tonight as Wichita did last night.
This will be my last access to technology for a few days. See you all later.
Great get to gather in deed and I can hardly wait for the graphic “mooning ” button on the blog for ever time I hear Ann Coulter …spit! LoL
ksfarmgrrl, don’t you have a farm subsidy check to cash?
Good one withheld.Snarky but clean.No offense KSFG, just appreciating good, clean sarcasm.
And who is values boy, and why do we have to run him out of town?
I don’t know who Values Boy is either.
But the meet up was great. Thanks Wichita Eagle.
A new columnist for the Eagle, who provides a little balance to the left leaning staff. Of course, this puts him at odds with kfg, which, of course, cannot be tolerated.
I agree the meeting went well last night. I didn’t get to talk to everyone, but really enjoyed the ones I did. Congrats Eagle!
Mountain Man and I enjoyed last nights get together. We had good food with friends (even though the service was real slow) and then met up with more friends. It was a pleasure to finally meet the editorial staff. (Phillip – thank you for your kind words regarding my experience with that nasty troll.) I’m sorry I didn’t get a chance to actually get to talk to some there (Joe Williams, Gster…)but it was great to see everybody!!
On a meetup related note – does anybody want to have a bon voyage meetup for Nathan before he’s delployed? You know – any excuse to get together, eat and listen to great music (hint hint CF, Walker, Rage, Randy, Gary and Rage)
Sounds good to me- I still have a big sack of plates, eating utensils from the last time. I”m working on my be at the right- time & place skills.
Heheh it is flattering to be hated by the whiney losers on the right!
Outie and heckie have had their asses handed to them so manytimes, no wonder they are bitter. Heheh. Just makes me laugh with my coffee.
And withheld, since you asked your question at 3:12 am (two minutes after writerdog is the only poster on the blog? hmmmm….)no, I dont normally cash checks at three in the morning.
I see I am attracting trolls posting under my name, changing nics, etc. Couldnt be for calling out the professional trolls? hehehe
Nice to know who hates me. I must be doing something right, considering it is gmc, outie, heck, hank, nathan, ruby, sts, lmnop, and now?
heheheheh. Bring it on. I’m glad to clean your plow anyday. Not that you would know about working in the fields of course.
The next time you have your mouth full of food, be sure to thank a farmer.
No one hates you kfg. Besides, you are too valuable to our side. You see, your tirades are sure to turn off anyone who is trying to make up their mind. You may win an occasional argument , but lose the war. Ever read Carnegie?
But, I’ve already said too much. So just keep right on keepin’ on.
outlander……………..your kind are the only ones who think you’re “winning the war”.
Girl, would you be what old-timers refer to as a “ball-breaker”?
Yeah,I read most of your posts, and damn girl–YOU ANGRY!!
How much land do you farm?
If you like John Prine, does the same go for Baxter Black?(large animal vet and cowboy poet)
When you live in a fantasy world, you win daily.
Outie, we called and called for you yesterday. Heheh. Just because you lose EVERY argument is no reason to be bitter….
Say, did you check out the end of this thread,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/06/states_new_sex_.html#comments
or are you a chickenhawk?
I see you leave the field everytime you are confronted with the truth. hehehe outie, but we are amused at your spinning, and we do encourage you to try again.
And, if you think I am writing to convert anyone on your side, think again. You all would hold to your positions if bush was found with a hammered kitten. Same with terry and joe and fred. Clinton did it!
And the lefty bloggers are uncivil. All you missed were the “angry woman” meme and the “unhappy leftists” meme and you would have had all the bases covered.
No, you and yours are hopeless and will never change. Just keep clinging to the past. BTW, how is that working for you?
It is gonna be so much fun here in November…..
Some of us are not full time bloggers (you know little things like jobs, family can get in the way of what’s realy important).
But anyway kfg, just keep on keepin’ on.
XXX–
What changes did the editors agree to?
Had a fun time at the meet up. It was great to meet the editorial staff and the tour was facinating. I hope we all get together again soon…would like to have a great send off for Nathan..darn you Nathan, why do you have to pactice what you preach?Anyway, it fun to see y’all and put the faces with the names.Don’t forget, I want to go to the “shoot out” with the guys! Bet I can get Dave to tag along on that one!
Excuse the spelling errors, haven’t had enough caffiene yet!
pOut–
The WEBlog editors told us how many hits they get every week.
What they didn’t tell us was how many different servers log on . . . in other words, how many hits are from the same small group of people.
They’ve set the Blog up so that it will be a sniping free-for-all.
The other day, somebody logged on with the name “Heywood Jablowme” and the editors did nothing.
You flatter yourself too much to think that any but a small group of regulars are going to waste their time on these potshots, cheapshots, and crackpots.
Interesting news in the real blogosphere today about how one of the tech guys at Huffington’s blog was trolling and attacking one of the site’s official bloggers.
Lots of controversy about whether someone who is a site administrator can change logs on who/when posters hit blogs and if someone associated with the blog should identify themselves as such when posting like a regular reader. Very interesting discussion.
But this jumped out at me at #22 in the comment section.
“Is it me, or has there been an awful lot of funny (troll-y) business going on around liberal blogs these days?
Methinks I smell a right-wing rat. A whole freaking organized nest, actually.
Already in this thread we see the confusion and misinterpretation of events, as if HuffPo is the problem.”
Yep, white is black and up is down and pinning the right wing weakness on a lefty is this week’s RNC strategy. Turn things backwards and thinking people will be so stunned they wont respond.
We have been saying the same thing here all week. Right wing professional trolls, some paid, some not, have taken on the blog world. One hit wonders, multiple one name nics, always a conservative snark, just like it happens here. Fits the bill.
I guess if blogs dont matter, the wingnuts wouldnt really be trying to drive the meme’s on this little blog as well as the big ones. The same thing has been happening en masse all week, all over.
Things that make ya go hmmmm……
I guess no such thing, prolls, right wing meme pushers, WE staff posting as regular readers, a tech person trolling…. naw. Couldnt happen here…….
I disagree with outlander’s description of kfg.
kfg is angry, yes, but she’s said why. She’s angry largely because she can’t marry the woman she loves in Kansas, and the GOP wants a constitutional amendment that will make it impossible for her to marry anywhere in the US.
When you watch your neighbors drive away to the polls and then return home to the warm bosom of family that they’ve just expressly denied you forever, well I believe it’s easy to understand how that affects both your attitude and your opinion of your neighbors.
I suspect that if outlander found his family lawfully stripped of certain legal rights, due to a US constitutional amendment, he’d be very angry, too. In fact, outlander just might come here and joke bitterly about the lie given to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” by his neighbors and fellow citizens.
kfg’s anger is perfectly reasonable, frankly.
flike: What is my description of kfg?
“You see, your tirades are sure to turn off anyone who is trying to make up their mind. You may win an occasional argument , but lose the war.”Posted by: outlander | June 23, 2006 at 09:48 AM
I withdraw “description.”
“I disagree with your opinion” is what I should have written.
Mr. Priss, you IDIOT.
Here you are bitching about the very thing YOU are doing.
BTW, hey, would you blow me?
Now I would immediatly call the Eagle and complain to have that comment removed!!
But since you’re just some trolling twit with nothing better to do than post stupid shit under assumed names….Maybe they wouldn’t give a damn about ANY of you complaints.
Julie- I’m sorry I didn’t get to talk to you and MM. As things were winding down, it suddenly occurred to me that I forgot to let my dogs out. They were REAL glad to see me do the doorman thing.G
I hope you all will accept my apology for not attending the meetup last night. I’m crushed that I couldn’t be there, but my daughter had taken the 3 & 4-year-old girls to a friend’s to swim, and there was no way I could shower and get ready with a 2-year-old who had already christened the new beige carpet with ketchup 4 times. The girls arrived back home at 6:45, leaving me no time to clean up my act (me) and get to the Eagle.
I’m devastated, but I’ll live. The 2-year-old is another matter entirely.
Well, I’d really wanted to make it to this meetup, but excrement occurs. And I guess I might as well make it official: I’ve leaving town, for real, to Tucson Arizona. I suppose I can still blog (”of course it’s work-related, boss–the regulars from Slashdot hang out here!”), but, for the next meetup, I will need coordinate flight schedules with Tara. :(
Speaking of Tara, a.k.a OhGodImissHI, I wondered if she might still be stuck in this burg (and, thus, show up). Guess not!
Particularly sorry I missed a chance to meet Damoon, Hank, gster, and, yes, Joe Williams! So tell me. . .is Joe really a green-haired four-foot-tall Serbian refugee?
Who’s Gary? Not Gary C.?
And, of course, I would have liked to meet the editors. I’ll give my advice to them here anyway, such as it is: institute EASY registration. I don’t know how much of a hassle typepad is, but configure to be easy and mandatory (if you can!), and tell people it’s easy. All you really need to keep track of is name and a real email address. Logging IPs is useful, but doesn’t work well as a registration requirement.
You needn’t force anyone to display anything other than their nic.
Since it might scare people off, assure that it’s easy as 3.14159265. . .
P.S. TRACY, if 70% of the voters of my state insisted on making me a second-class citizen, I’d be a mite pissed too. . .
Is the blog going to require registration?
This place might be worth a damn if people had to be responsible for what they post.
. . .an insightful comment from “nowhere.com.” How apropos.
Oh well.
Aside from the Price boys, was the right side of the blog adequately represented this time? Just wondering.
Rage–
It was a “yes or no” question.
Did the editors say they were going to go with registration?
Choose one–yes, they did.
Or
No, they didn’t.
Thank you,
Inquiring minds everywhere
After re-reading your post, I see it’s just your advice to the editors.
Oh well then.
Same old, same old.
Rage – NOOOOOO tell me it ain’t so!!!! When are you “officially” leaving?I think the Price’s were the only one’s on the far right.Attendance last night was kinda small but it was a weeknight.XXX, Walker, Gster, Damoon, Hank and Nathan Price, Joe Williams (no he’s not 4′ and green), Mr Controversy, Writerdog, Gary, JWink, Mountain Man, and me (julie).
RD – totally understand…that’s why my young un stayed at grandmas last night. Ketchup (yuck)- tried oxyclean?
Gster – my pup was glad to see me last night too – understand – we’ll introduce next time.
Ok peoples – with Nathan and Rage ‘leaving’ us we need to get together and remind these guys what they will miss.Anybody want to head this one up?
Same old, CP? Maybe, maybe not. I suspect those who DID make it gave ‘em an earful.
For the record: about 5 minutes this time (I didn’t know before that last post).
“Rage – NOOOOOO tell me it ain’t so!!!! When are you “officially” leaving?”
July 1st. And tell me about it: As annoying as this burg can be, most of my friends are here, and I’ve lived in Doodah most of my life.
However, because of that, and relates who still live here, it’s not like I’m moving to Mars. I shall return on occasion when I can.
ok, Rage so you give us a weeks notice that you are abandoning us. I see how you are.
Well, gee, sorree!
I had planned make this meetup as a “one last time” thing, but I’ve been a little busy, ya know?
Relocating is a bitch.
humpfI know darlin’if we can’t get together beforehand. Good luck, safe travels, see ya on the flipside.;-)
Y’all-don’t get me wrong about the angry girl comment. KSFG is just fine with me, and always has been.I never even knew about her personal life until this thread!I consider myself far from bigoted.The anger comment was only an observation!! As far as I’m concerned, you go girl. Being opinionated and blowin’ off some steam seem to be the norm here, as is often pointed out by lurkers and trolls. Everybody but the racists gets the nod from me, and I think this silly group of bloggers who have formed a community is most probably good for those of us who stick around.
Cut’n'whatever,There’s not going to be any kind of registration on the blog. That didn’t even get more than cursory mention, since it’s a huge limitation to freedom of expression and nobody really wants that sort of thing. In fact, we agreed that easy access was a strong point in favor of the blog.I can only think of 2 people who are interested in such a thing. One of those 2 is a name stealing, name changing troll who of course wouldn’t have the cajhones to show up at the meet to express his ideas.
If that’s what you want, I guess you should have showed up at the meet and expressed yourself “face to face”.
“Silence is considered acceptance”
So do I know you, Cut?
Rage, best of luck, my friend. Sorry, you don’t get rid of me that easy…I got yer e-mail, lol.
Rage- I’m sorry I didn’t a chance to meet you. I hope the move works out. BOL!
Where to start.
Well kfg has a right to be ticked off. Mr “witheld” should have lived his “nic” Late night ad hominems are common here. But it would be nice to know just who it is that is behind one. Another (the same?) little trollster hijacked kfgs nic the other day and made unflattering remarks.Rage? I would say “Look out John McCain!”
Well my little “stand” on this last meetup already cost me some lumps before the fact. No doubt XXX and Walker are gonna thump me for not showing up! I hope it was not lost on the Eds my attempt to ask that future “official” meetups be more accomodating to attendance and better promoted. Maybe made a dif maybe not. But it cost me meeting gster I see. I regret that. And of course I missed seeing everyone else. And I understand a few READERS were there? That is promising!
That is unless they were looking for me.
Ya guys are making it up! JOE WILLIAMS finally made it? Ring the bells and let the pigeons fly! But damn the luck of forever missing out on a good “gotcha” (Rage knows what I mean.) Sorry I missed ya Joe.
Hmmm another meetup.
I got a few ideas but I don’t wanna continue to feed those who perceive me as trying to run things.
Not really necessary to go in person to share ideas. We can do that here.
The Wichita Wranglers could use a little help just now. How about a ballgame for a meet up format? The Hardball cafe would be the perfect outdoor format?
Julie,
Tried the oxy everything, but it didn’t work. I have a few other tricks up my scrubbing sleeve, so I expect success. (Positive thinking.)
Rage,
Dang, I hate to see you go, but I understand, too. At least you’re leaving the snow behind, pretty much. *grin* That can be a good thing! Hope to see you post as often as possible. Be well!
As for a send-off for Nathan, I like the idea. JR, I haven’t been to a Wranglers game for years. I suppose it’s time I attended. Saw the Beach Boys do a concert there back in…’85. The baby we left with my mom for that evening is now almost 22. Yikes!
“I hope it was not lost on the Eds my attempt to ask that future “official” meetups be more accomodating to attendance and better promoted.”
Other than the fact you weren’t there, I don’t think it really made much of a difference. Anyone that couldn’t or wouldn’t attend was a loss to everyone concerned. The more the merrier and beneficial.
I believe that the editors were very accommodating. They stayed until after 9:30pm talking and giving tours to us. Very patient in awswering all of our questions. I felt a real sincere desire to make the BLOG a better place to express our ideas.
Sorry you didn’t make it JR, we missed ya.
Hank
“But damn the luck of forever missing out on a good “gotcha” (Rage knows what I mean.)”
Hehehe, yeah! I would have followed up on your idea if I’d been there, man. I actually had a vision of BOTH of us claiming to Joe Williams, and calling the other two frauds! Oh well. . .
XXX, I’ll keep on tap when I can.
But about the whole registration thing: EASY registration would make it harder for name-stealing trolls to do their thing, doncha think? And the other person who is calling for registration might actually be forced to keep a single nic. . .
Think about it, X, and the rest of you.
P.S. Thanks for your kind comments, folks! (sniff. . sniff. . .gimme a minute. . .I’ll be okay. . ).
Wow! I could actually read the botfilter text this time! Did someone mention THAT at the meetup?
Good luck Rage, if the computer is free you know where we are.
KFG, you get checks I heard farmers did it for a hobby! God bless them all.
I do think meet up might be better on the weekend. LoL I was late for work last night, but that really was my fault in I waited till the last minute to leave. I do not expect to meet every blogger at every meet up.That is why I want to go to as many as I can. But I never really know if I can make it till I look to see what is going on.
A send off for Nathan does sound good.
You don’t know shit, XXX.
As usual.
Ah, another act of trollism? You posted over my name again?
That’s ok, my pissy little peacock. I know who you are, and I’ll always be here waiting for you. You’re getting sloppy. I’ve connected you to “Cut” and “Crow”. It’s so easy… You’re so predictable.
Meanwhile, here’s a funny little link for you. It’s supposed to be a blog, but nobody seems to read it. There’s a total of 6 comments, but 3 are from the editors.http://serendipitydooday.blogspot.com/
One of the editors is pretty good. The other is a mentally unstable loser.
It’s so easy to push some people’s buttons
Gentle people,
As far as a send off for Nathan goes, we’re having one this weekend for family and neighbors.
I would be willing to host one for Nathan and Rage next Thursday at our club house. Maybe Raptor can make it and tell us some of his ‘war stories’!
Let me know what you all think of next Thursday. I know it’s a little soon and short notice but maybe we can attract some of last night’s absentee’s.
Next thing on the agenda. I’m thinking about starting a Yahoo Group so everyone can keep in touch with Nathan. It would be a place he can post photos and messages from the vacation paradise of the Mideast. If any one would like to be a member of the group, send me an email and I’ll get it going with an invite this weekend.
Hank
Hank I would be honored to be in such a group and would be willing if need be to miss work to be at the sent off party. I clicked on the link embedded in your name to send you the e-mail…I am still wiping the tears away.God bless them and those that they love. Never in all that I say about this war. Have I not stopped to pray that they come home whole and a live. I can stand to have the world think badly of my country, we are strong enough to take it.
But those faces are what this war is about to me. What they do is more then I could express a thank you for.
Now how am I to send an e-mail to you?
OK, try it now!
Hank
Hey writerdog,
My email is live now, I tested it and it works.
Hank
Hank-Thursday sounds good. Is there anything I can do to help? I’ll send you an email shortly per your request.
G
Hank, I will be there thursday if at all possible. I use my email here so post me an email with time and place. I believe both XXX and myself could make it.
I would love to join the yahoo group also.
Hank, Dave and I will be there, what can I bring? We can do a cookout if you want.
Oh holy crap!
Well, I guess both Nathan & I are going to a desert, but that’s where the similarity ends. .. I’m little embarrassed to be named in that company, thanks! I don’t deserve it. Politics aside, it’s embarrassing.
Do the thing for Nathan and I WILL TRY my ABSOLUTE BEST to be there. I wish I could say “Hell yeah!” but my stuff is strewn between here and AZ, and still have a bunch to do. I don’t want to lie about it. My humble apologies.
Rage, please dont forget us, wandering in the wilderness in kansas. It just wont be the same around here without your great posts, so PLEASE keep posting.
Still waiting on that MP3 of you…