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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Our topic for today is BEER, eh?Oh, and fatback too, hoser.
I’m all for that! Once a month I play poker with the neighborhood boys and I go to “Roob’s World of Beers” on West St. and get a 12 pack of some new beer I haven’t tried before.
Love beer!
Hank
That should be “Rob’s”.
Hank
Do we have to talk only about canuck beer, Tracy?
Or can we open it up to beer in general?
Just kidding, I mean canucks in general.
How ’bout that Neil Young?
Hey Hank – they will let you buy a 12-pack made up of 12 different ones?
I rarely drink, but after this week?
RAMEN!!!!!!
I am following the Rude Pundit to the vodka freezer!
Just got this email:Next Thursday at 10AM, the Senate Commerce Committee is expected to mark up its version of the Telecommunications Act rewrite…it is titled Communications Reform Bill. An amendment is to be offered by Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and Barbara Boxer (D-CA) to provide cable carriage rights in the digital world for Class A and Class A Qualified Stations.This amendment, along with the June 21 vote by the FCC on multichannel regulation, could create up to 300 new jobs in Wichita alone.Pat Roberts supports the amendment. Sam Brownback, well…
What about brother Neil?He ain’t singen’ for Bud, or for any other huge sponsers either!Neil is THE BOMB!! Rock-On dude!
Beer? That’s it? That’s the topic? rofl
I don’t like beer. Never have. In my youth I did drink it, but often ordered or made reds (tomato juice) to hide the taste. I really think it takes an acquired taste to drink it. Personally, give me champagne!!
OTOH, I’ve acquired a liking for Smirnoff Ice. Raz, in particular, and Smirnoff’s other “flavored beers.”
That’s about all I can say about beer, so I’ll wait for a different topic if one is presented. LOL
On the front page of today’s paper they list the primary causes for accidents in Wichita. I think it would be interesting to see what the tickets given are – I suspect there is a disconnect there.
1. Failure to yield right of way: 1,964
2. Inattentive driving: 1,494
3. Following too closely: 972
4. Disregarding signals and signs: 811
Meanwhile, the cops are lined up blocking entrance ramps on Kellogg running radar.
Red beer at Daisy Mae’s at dear old ft. hays state!!!!
People in Texas thought I was crazy when I told them about red beer.
People in NY/NJ just backed away slowly from me…..
People in Loosianna just said “me cher, why you wanna ruin a good bear lak dat?”
Hehehe. I was a multicultural partier in the good ol’ days.
Viva la chemistry too!!!!!!
Uh-oh KSfg, are we talkin’ window-pane, blotter, or both?Stay away from them damn mushrooms!Dem tings make-a me CRAZY!
Is that stuff still around? I still remember strange things about it from way back when.
hee hee hee tracy
I am lost in the fog of nostalgia.
I have pals, middle aged and gray now, who STILL wont eat mushrooms. It brings back memories of the slimey blue smelly kind.
They say you had to be drunk and stoned BEFORE you ate them. heheh
Ah hem. (throat clearing) Not that I would know, of course.
Ok, now I have a vision of gster singing “strange brew…”
KFG- You’re scaring me. I do play guitar and know how to play some of those Cream songs. Beyond that , I claim the 5th. Amendment, that is.
Memories of frosted muggs with red beer on hot summer day with a shaker of salt,hot mamas and pickeled eggs with crackers for supper, and maybe a couple bloody mary’s for a kicker. Then you could sleep real good inspite of the blisters on your shoulders from working in the sun all day…ah the good ol’days.
Strange Brew on a Magic Carpet Ride with Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, hmmm.
Hey Ben,
They do have a lot of their imports by the bottle, so I think they are pretty flexible.
Hank
You kidding, RD? Beer is very similar to bread. Do you like bread? BTW, Guinness draft and champagne is a popular drink in the UK, it’s called a Black Velvet.
And I agree re: red beer. It’s like anybody not raised in Kansas, Oklahoma, or east Colorado gets all spewy at the description. Friend in Taiwan who’s Scottish (and who loves Black Velvets) didn’t believe me, tried it himself and HATED it, made me try it, and then we figured out that he was using local tomato juice which is sweetened in Taiwan. Yum. No wonder.
But when it comes to beer, my friends, the Belgians rule. There’s nothing like a good old down home, farm concoction like beer when it’s brewed and consumed in a dominant wine culture. Belgium is just north of champagne country, too. The flavor of a world class Belgian beer is like the smell that comes from sitting in a hayloft in early spring, when it’s been raining. That’s all farm smell, believe you me, pure heaven. There’s just nothing like it. IMO, of course. ;)
You give me one magnum of St. Bernardus quadruppel ale, and I’ll give you a trunkload of Coors or a suitcase of Guinness.
Hey Ben,
They do have a lot of their imports by the bottle, so I think they are pretty flexible.
Hank
Hank – go for it. Separate bottles are the way to go – then when you find one you like …
From the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe……………
Yeah farm girl.Onward..through the fog.I have a cousin who is a professor at KU, in english lit.Specializes in 60’s lit.A few years ago we had a few brewskies, etc. and she got me to tellin’ those wild small town growin’ up stories, complete with the shrooms, window pane and the rest of them goodies.She’s convinced I need to publish a collection of my short stories.
Quote of the Day:
“…we (Jews) are today nothing else but the world’s seducers, its destroyers, its incendiaries, its executioners.” Dr Oscar Levy
V.L.R.B!!!
Ben,
I like ‘em all! Just some better than others! I average about 5 beers a month. So price is not a problem.
Hank
Used to rack balls at the City Cigar Store in Winfield, KS. We served a ‘little red’ and a ‘big red’.
I know for a fact that an 18 year old can live on beer, tomato juice and copenhagen.
Hank
Tracy, I hope you change the names of the innocent, no matter how few and far between they may be!
Hank – I remember a joint called the Green Door in Ark City way back in the late 60s. I wonder if it’s still there.
This following story speaks for itself so I will not add any commentary.
Jason Szep, Reuters, June 14, 2006
BOSTON—U.S. President George W. Bush’s signature No Child Left Behind education policy is failing to close racial achievement gaps and will miss its goals by 2014 according to recent trends, a Harvard study said on Wednesday.
It said the policy has had no significant impact on improving reading and math achievement since it was introduced in 2001, contradicting White House claims and potentially adding to concerns over America’s academic competitiveness.
Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act was meant to introduce national standards to an education system where only two-thirds of teenagers graduate from high school, a proportion that slides to 50 percent for blacks and Hispanics.
The study released by Harvard University’s Civil Rights Project said national average of achievement by U.S. students has been flat in reading since 2001 and the growth rate in math has remained the same as before the policy was introduced.http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/06/bush_education.php
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!
If you want real beer, you gotta head out of the country. What we have here, other than a few micro-breweries, is water compared to German, Australian, and real Mexican beer. Alchohol volume is limited in the states. It ain’t overseas.
As for ’shrooms . . . I kinda disremenber to sixties, sorta.
Any of the old timers remember a bar off hillside and 21st called “A Blackout?” It was around in the late sixties. I think it closed around ‘71. One of the first “mixed” bars in town. Every race represented and all go along. Excellent place to get drunk at. Had an original “Clown” pinball machine.
Hank,
My ex went to college in Winfield and hung out at City Cigar Store. That would’ve been around 69-70, before I knew him. When were you there?
The two of you would get along great.
“Hank – I remember a joint called the Green Door in Ark City way back in the late 60s. I wonder if it’s still there.”
In the 70’s they had the best Mexican food in the whole U.S. Which in some of our cases was enhanced with the hand rolled mexican cigarettes. Don’t know if it is still there.
And didn’t they call City Cigar in Winfiled, “Clair’s”?
There was a place up in Salina called Daisy Mae’s. It was a biker hangout. Oh, the drunks, the fights, the cue sticks broke on my back and head….I gave up beer about 25 years ago. Like RD, I never cared for the taste of beer, and I hated being sick for 3 days after a falling down drunk.Beer always made me mean….
JM- I remember the Blackout, it was s strange place full of different people.
flike, I’m not a big bread eater, either. Must be that yeast, huh? But I do appreciate good homemade bread. Maybe I’d feel the same about homemade beer?
I have 2 favorite memories of drinking reds. The first is of my 18th birthday, back in the days when one could buy beer at 18. 3 or 4 of us went to Shakey’s Pizza Parlor (Remember those?) and ordered a pitcher of beer. My best friend and I walked across the street to Safeway or whatever it was at Westway and bought one of those big cans of tomato juice and a church key, took it back to Shakey’s and poured it in the pitcher. Later that night, I got wasted on cherry vodka that a couple of guy friends gave me. It was months before I could touch vodka again. Ah, youth!
2nd story is of sitting at the bar with one of my best guy friends in our small, hometown tavern, drinking reds and plugging the jukebox with quarters so we could sing along with the Mamas and Papas at the top of our lungs to Dream a Little Dream. The thought of doing that embarrasses me greatly now. LOL (That friend came out, years later, so I’m sure he has a lot to do with my I-don’t-give-a-damn-who-you-do-it-with attitude. ;) )
Sing it, Cass!
I don’t know about Mexican beer, but I’ve worshipped the porcelin goddess, thanks to Mexican wine.
Anybody ever go to the Yuk-Up or the Yuk-Down in Lawrence?
I vaguely remember a club called the Blackout. There was another up on Hillside, close to WSU, that was a second story club, if I remember correctly. I went there once, and our car was broken into. My old roommate lost all her luggage and I lost my purse–everything except our drivers licenses and some change that we had on us. My club days slowed down to very few for quite a while.
Red beer at Daisy Mae’s at dear old ft. hays state!!!! Hey, KSF, you bring back good ol’ memories. Custer Hall co-ed dorm, corner rooms overlooking the bridge. Can you say “PARTY”!
Next to our party palace in Custer, Daisy Mae’s was one of my all-time favorites, followed by Brass Rail.
I still go back to Ft. Hays for college recruiting and board meetings.
Rock Canyon in downtown Wichita not too many years ago …
I grew up in Winfield……the City Cigar Store was known as “Joe’s” in the 70’s onward and yes I did consume a few red beers.
RD, I remember the second story club. Can’t remember the name, only the reputation. There was a drug bust in the late 60’s there. One girl got shot in the leg. Story has it that at the trial, the cops produced 2 kilos of pot and claimed that was all they found. The girl who got shot jumped up and asked what happened to the other 6 kilos they confiscated. Judge threw the case out. Don’t know if it really happened, but that was the gossip on the street.
The Blackout was a strange place, but friendly nonetheless. I was still in the Air Force, stationed at McConnell, and living with a bunch of guys not far from there. One of the guys was a bartender there . . . free beer for the roommates. Single, Viet vet, 23 years young AND free beer? Ya baby!!!
Clair and Gordon DeWies (sp) ownd the City Cigar when I worked there. Man named Greyden was the bartender during the day while they went to work at Boeing (I think).
I worked there in the evenings in ‘62 and ‘63. They had six snooker tables, two billiard tables and two pool tables.
The Green Door did have the best Mexican food in the world! I don’t know if it is still there. Went in to the City Cigar store about 15-20 years ago and asked for a ‘big red’. The Yuppie bartender looked at me like I was crazy. Hell, they didn’t even have any tomatoe juice in the place!
Hank
Well, I see the boy has been out today. The above post is mine!
Hank
(I’ve never seen a Marine I couldn’t wax on the snooker table!)
Hank
Oh great, another bragging squid! It’s a good thing we needed sailors to taxi us around, or there’d really be no use for them.
Semper Fi, Do or Die, Rah, Rah, Rah!
(How am I doing, Hank? LOL!)
I was a bubble head, squids rode around on targets!
Hank
I was told by a UDT guy that they used to leave ‘welcome’ signs on the beach for the ‘jarheads’. Of course, these guys tended to get into a lot of bar fights as a result of their comments! ;^)
Damn, start a thread about beer, and every jarhead, squid, udt and bubble head get drunk and start fighting. Maybe it’s time to change the thread to “coffee”:=)
I love coffee! Stronger the better! We make a pot in the morning before work and drink it. Then at work we make another pot. I’ve got a pot brewing now.
None of that fancy foo foo coffee, plain ol’ what ever is on sale the cheapest coffee!
Hank
The Brass Rail in Hays. I wish I had all the money back I spent at the Rail. First when I was in college and second when I worked on the Hays Daily News right next door. 4 p.m. was quitting time, and we drank until we could hear the presses run printing the Saturday/Sunday paper. Many a drunken night…
Sounds like my coffee hank. The type I can whistle for and it comes to me!
I worked with some Dutchmen. When they made coffee, they leveled it to the top of the filter holder. You had to beat it back into the cup with a stick.
LOVE a cold beer on a hot day.
Two chemicals that keep the ER in business….alcohol and testosterone.
JM,
The Penthouse. That was the name of the second story club.
The memory may be slow, but it eventually gets the job done. LOL
You guys are outta control!
; )
When and where is the next meetup? I’ll bring my best imitation of some Mexican food.
Heart, it’s next Thursday at 7pm at the Eagle.
“This afternoon on the Senate floor, several Senate Republicans are DEFENDING the a proposal to give amnesty to terrorists who have killed or wounded American troops.”
Why do these folks hate our troops?http://www.dscc.org/news/roundup/20060615_amnesty/index.htm
You know, Marcia Ball is at the Zoo next Thursday evening.
Why is it that in Wichita the good stuff only comes around once in a blue moon? And then all on the same day, at the same friggin’ time?
*sigh*
OMG. OMG. OMG!!!!!!!!
Marcia Ball? In Wichita?
YOU MUST SEE THIS WOMAN.
Oh. Geez. She is one of my very favorites. I cant believe she will be in Wichita and I will be working :(
She and her husband owned a restaurant in Austin, La Zona Rosa, and she used to play there, and Antone’s, all the time.
Dont miss Marcia Ball, the best long legged, swamp voiced, piano playing, song singin’ performer in Texas.
Even if she’s from Looosianna
Yeah no doubt, kfg.
And get this. For Zoo members it’s $8 a head, and I think rugrats are $3.
If you’re a non-member, then it’s the cost of Zoo admission plus $10 a head to see Marcia cross ‘n swing those long legs while belting out those great huge chunks of pure Americana bliss.
Less than $20 per head.
I was gonna ask “the zoo?”
heheh is this a great country, or what!
She used to make KILLER gumbo at La Zona Rosa. Dark as chocolate.
In re-reading this thread, I started wondering if this is what it is gonna be like in the boomer populated nursing homes some day.
We’re gonna talk about the good old days of war, drugs, cars and rock and roll and play old music on little boom boxes on Thursdays.
Come to think of it, that doesnt sound too bad right now.
But then we’ll all have to shuffle off to the dining room to drink weak coffee and eat low fat, low, salt, low taste food.
I hope the youngun’s like the nathans put us all in good homes.
heheheh
“The Brass Rail in Hays. I wish I had all the money back I spent at the Rail.”
Ditto
I also wouldnt mind getting back some of the dignity I left there…
Oh, and before I forget….
Late yesterday, the Grand Jury declined to indict Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Like the rovester, she is now “free and clear” of charges.
But I bet we wont get a thread on THAT on this blog!!!!!
Do you think we would have gotten one if she had been indicted?
As Paul Harvey would say, the REST of the story is that she will not be indicted.
KFG: Cynthia McKinney is no Karl Rove. ;)
“We’re gonna talk about the good old days of war, drugs, cars and rock and roll and play old music on little boom boxes on Thursdays.”
Probably talk about the bad times with Bush was in office. ;)
If any of you still think that we can avoid a civil/race war in this country then you are delusional. If any scumbag “law enforcement” try this crap at my home, they better pray that they have quality body armor!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!!
Fear the government that fears the people
by Charles Coughlin
I bet you thought police had to announce themselves before they broke down your front door. Well, you’re wrong. The Supreme Court just ruled that police can break down doors without even giving a home owner a chance to answer. Naturally, conservatives are claiming that this will only be used against illegal drug labs and terrorists, but I’m not so sure. How long will it be before some completely innocent political dissident finds his door smashed down in a blatant effort to chill free speech?
A recent news article reports “The Supreme Court made it easier Thursday for police to barge into homes and seize evidence without knocking or waiting, a sign of the court’s new conservatism with Samuel Alito on board. The court, on a 5-4 vote, said judges cannot throw out evidence collected by police who have search warrants but do not properly announce their arrival. It was a significant rollback of earlier rulings protective of homeowners… Dissenting justices predicted that police will now feel free to ignore previous court rulings requiring officers with search warrants to knock and announce themselves to avoid running afoul of the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment ban on unreasonable searches.”
The US has just joined the ranks of the Soviet Union and Red China in stripping its citizens of the right to live safely in their own homes. Is it really a hardship for the police to get a warrant AND to announce themselves before they enter your home? Or does the Bush administration want to create an all-powerful police state that tramples what few Rights we still have left? It should be noted that the US is one of a very small number of countries which has used TANKS against its own people. What’s that? You don’t think the US ever used tanks against American civilians. Well, it happened ‚Äìtwice. The first time was in the 1930s when the “Bonus Marchers” were chased out of Washington, DC by the US Army. The second time was at Waco, Texas when the Branch Davidians were massacred.
In a famous case in California, a man who owned some land that the state park department coveted, had his home raided by police, who were hoping to find illicit drugs so they could confiscate his land. The police failed to announce themselves, the homeowner thought his home was being invaded by criminals, grabbed his gun and was shot dead by police inside his home. The only justice in that case was that the widow successfully sued the state for millions. Thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision, surviving family members would not even have the right to sue. It would just be tough luck.
Thanks to Bush’s illegal wiretaps, the Feds could discover that you have some illegal drugs or weapons in your home. They then could pass this information on to police, who could kick down your door in the middle of the night, drag you off to jail, and confiscate your house as a penalty. And it would all be legal. If anyone doesn’t think the Bush regime has gone too far destroying the Bill of Rights, he hasn’t been paying attention.
SourceSource: whitecivilrights.com
Ian,You should read the decision completly. Evidence found during a break-in without warrent can be used. It still doesn’t give the police the right to break in. But it’s still a crock coming from the wingnut supreme court.
Fun with the armed forces:
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I’m going to agree with Ian. Having the cops bust down your door, especially at night, is bad business. In my case, if somebody, anybody, breaks down my door at night, they better have an ambulance standing by.
Sadly I do know someone that the worst case happened in a Police raid, he was suddenly waken by his wife screaming his name one night. The next thing he knew there was a figure appeared in the darkness at the bedroom doorway. Thinking it was a home invasion he grab a shotgun and fired. The figure was a Police officer, he had not heard any announcement of Police nor had his wife. She had feel asleep on the couch watching T.V. in the front room, when suddenly the front door came flying into the front room. She screamed for her husband with out know who it was coming through the door.
The officer was killed and the man served seven years for murder and lost everything he owned.In reality it does happen that the “Knock” maybe nothing more then a light tap and a whispered “police”.Judges have no problem if there is a reason. to issue a no knock warrant, in drug cases such times it would be necessary to not give the suspect time to destroy evidence. Nor would it be good if the warrant is for a person to give them time to escape. But in most others it is right in order to protect a persons property and rights to give the suspect a chance to open the door and respond to the warrant.
I need to read the decision before I could except that the court would allow evidence discovered in a unwarranted break in. The term “fruit from a poison tree” comes to mind, now any evidence found during a lawful execution of an officer’s duty is allowed. An officer can not be expected to ignore evidence of a crime he discovers. If it is in plain sight, that includes if the evidence is of a crime the officer is not investigating. But to allow that evidence in the case where a search was done without a warrant or just cause is to violated the very principal of the law and the Constitution.
As if the Constitution means anything anymore.
G Gordon Liddy used to advocate the killing of police officers who invaded peoples homes. Yet they the police always invite him to speak at their functions.
The decision is Hudson v. Michigan; and yes, it holds, in effect, that evidence obtained pursuant to a valid warrant may be admitted in court even if law enforcement does not properly knock and announce. It does NOT dispose of the K&A rule; in fact, contrary to Ian’s source above (it’s Ian, so go figure), the SCOTUS relied in part on the availability of civil remedies today as a deterrent. All of us know how much of what we do is CYA to avoid a lawsuit, and law enforcement is no different in that respect.
Essentially, the majority wrote that the deterrrent effect of suppression is too attenuated from the liberty interest at issue to justify exclusion and the costs attendant to it.
The dissent is a strong one, and makes a number of good points. However, the decision is in line with 4th amendment decisions over the last 20 years or so; I doubt that in practice the decision will make much difference. I can tell you without hesitation that police departments out there are not breaking out the champaigne and readying the battering rams, just waiting to break in doors. I doubt very much that departments will change their practice; remember, the decision does not change the underlying constitutional right, it only says that exclusion is not constitutionally required as a remedy.
In other words, once again, the constitutional sky is hardly falling.
…and still no thread on Cynthia McKinney?
The rovester is “unindicted” and we get a thread. McKinney got several threads after the flap started with the capital police.
And now no thread announcing that the GRAND JURY declined to indict HER?
Oh, BTW, just incase you think the war on cynthia is over, check out Tony Snow’s apology for misidentifying Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee as Cynthia McKinney. And we wonder why cynthia gets bent when they dont recognize her?
Sheila was gracious enough not to point out to snowboy that they DONT all look alike….
http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/3974374.html
Sigh. Lots of beer talk, and still no mention of fatback. Must be leftist meat.
I’m afraid the only fatback in Kansas is what you see at the local swimming pool.
This is just too funny. The top ten list of republicans this week.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103×217884
KFG-Did you actually think that McKinney would be indicted? Please. Love ya and all but she was not gonna get indicted – she’d throw out the race card and how poor and abused she is because of it.grrrrrrr (the whole thing has me mad)
Ahhh beer. Like RD I prefer redbeer. I do enjoy some micro-brews but you can keep coors, bud and miller. I prefer my scotch or a froufrou fruity drink – mmmm bahama mama. I also enjoy a nice glass of wine with a good dinner or a good book.2 1/2 more months and I can have some!!! yay!(I miss my occasional alcoholic beverage but it is worth it to give it up for a healthy baby).
Julie must have gotten up on the right side of the blog, er bed today.
Julie, of course, Cynthia McKinney is ONLY not indicted because they are afraid of the race card?
heheh. Then why even go through the motion of convening a grand jury.
Rove gets off because… why? Because he is INNOCENT?
But McKinney is “equally unindicted” hehehe and it is only because she would dare to cry racism?
Naw…. couldnt possibly be because she didnt commit a crime! It couldnt possibly be because bushco needed us to look elsewhere.
Couldnt possibly be because this whole Cynthia thing was a trumped up charge, a bright and shiney object the republicans threw out to distract from the Tom Delay flap on the same day?
Naww… it must only be because they are so terrified of the race card.
If it was news when she was accused, shouldnt it be news when she is found NOT TO HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME?
And they say the media has a liberal bias….
I agree… it should have been ‘news’ when she wasn’t indicted. However – she’s the one that threw the race card to begin with. She was stopped and asked for ID solely because she’s black – her version of story. She then proceeded to physically hit the guard because he dared to ask for ID. Oh yeah, she’s as innocent and pure as fresh snow. She’s the victim in this case – horsepucky.
Rove is a completely seperate animal (jackass). That mess is never gonna come clean.aaarrrgggghhhh – that mess gets my dander up too.
“Oh yeah, she’s as innocent and pure as fresh snow. She’s the victim in this case – horsepucky.”
Seems as though the grand jury decided Cynthia was correct, and the capital police were wrong.
I guess since THEY had all the facts and testimony, they might be in a better position to judge.
Unless you are saying the courts are corrupt and afraid of one congresswoman from Georgia.
And is it possible, since Tony Snow cant tell the difference between one black congresswoman and another, the capital police might have deliberately made a mistake?
Unless of course law enforcement is ALWAYS correct and never makes mistakes.
hehehe. I love you too doll.
I still stand by my opinion that if she was following written protocol this would not have happened. If when she was stopped she quietly stated who she was and she forgot the congressional pin ID instead of hitting the guard this whole incident may not have blown out of proportion. With 100 senetors and hundreds of additional representatives it is very hard to remember everybody. I’m sure some guards are capable of it – but not all. It was and is written procedure for all congresspeople to wear an identifying pin. She should have to abide by the same rules that everybody else does. Instead it appears to me that she expects nay demands special treatment.Black white or polkadotted – don’t matter she needs to abide by the rules.The grand jury made their decision for whatever reasons. I don’t know the whole story just what has been released in the media. Perhaps there is a side I haven’t heard. I can just base my opinions on what I have been told.Love ya too doll.I always get up on the right side of the bed – sometimes I even get up grumpy – but usually I let him sleep.;)
KFG,
Perhaps if Cynthia was in the news even half as much as Rove was she would be in the news as much when she was not indicted.
And back to your regularly scheduled spewing of hate and discontent…