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  1. heartlander
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    This is a really heart-warming story about two Mexican-American sisters who overcame great adversity, to get a college education.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-fremont29jun29,0,4962646.story?coll=la-home-commentary

  2. TRACY
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Reminds me of the 2002 movie: A Rabbit Proof Fence.About Australian Aboriginee sisters who are repeatedly taken from their mother by the gov’t, and walk home to their mother, hundreds of miles through the outback.A true story. Sad, but heart-warming. Must see.

  3. TRACY
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    And now something totally different. An exclusive from Red State Rabble.

    http://redstaterabble.blogspot.com/

    Here are some key excerpts from Johnson’s message to supporters:

    Dear Friend! Our State School Board Candidates need your undivided attention! …and please forward this e-mail to your conservative friends, asap.

    This important notice is for all my friends who want to directly impact the spiritual war against God at the root…the origin of everything.

    Have you ever had a real life “do-or-die” event in your life…? (health issues excluded) Well, I believe we are in one of those very rare moments right now and that you may not even be aware of it, but I suspect that you are. It IS the upcoming Kansas State School Board elections.

    There are five out of 10 seats that are being fought for on the state school board and I sincerely pray that we will all be very diligent as well as very encouraged by the fact that there are five brave conservative candidates who are WILLING to do all the hard physical work that it takes to be a viable contender.

    If we win at least 3 of these 5 positions, creating a 5-5 stalemate, we will prevent the evolutionists from overturning the world-changing progress Kansas has made so far, which established science standards that give both teachers and students the freedom to approach the godless theory of evolution with objectivity. If we can win all five seats, creating a 7-3 conservative majority in spite of all the media and academia against us, then the liberals and evolutionists would learn the undeniable message that they can no longer get away with cramming evolutionism down ours and our neighbors kids’ throats! It would be history-making!!!

    Who are the five brave conservative candidates? Johnson names them in her e-mail:

    District #5: Connie MorrisDistrict #1: Jesse HallDistrict #3: John BaconDistrict #7: Ken WilliardDistrict #9: Brad PatzerJohnson adds this about Jesse Hall, who has filed for office, but has yet to make a single public statement or campaign appearance:

    Jesus has blessed us financially, Eric and I have given the maximum donation allowable from our family to each candidate. I hope and pray that you, too, will donate as much as you can. I’ve been told that if you must choose a candidate to support who needs your financial help the most, that that would be a toss-up between Jesse Hall of District #1 and Connie Morris of District #5, due to the unique dynamics of their races. Jesse Hall is a conservative, pro- life Democate who is running in the only “Democrat majority” district which is largely based in Kansas City, Kansas.

    GO CHECK THIS OUT FOR YOURSELF.Lou, Phillip, wouldn’t this one warrant a headline? Puh’leeze!

  4. writerdog
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    Man I wish Stevo was up this time. I could correct the mistake I may have not know crap about him last time…Fool me once shame on you!

  5. JWink
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Please notice my story, “A perfect night for baseball,” made it to the Wichita EAGLE’s opinion page this morning … which I appreciate! I hope it gives a boost to the Wrangler’s attendance and the NBC tournament in first two weeks of August. Jerry Winkelman

  6. Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    I’ve seen “Rabbit Proof Fence”. It’s a good movie.

    I just got done reading the book “Freakonomics”. If you like stats and how it relates to human behaviour and how it does or does not affect our lives, and if you like convential wisdom challenged, it’s a good book to read.

  7. Darwin'sDisciple
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Freakonomics is a good book. I read it last year. My favorite chapter was the one where he demonstrates that the lowered crime rate was likely caused by Roe v. Wade abortion on demand. It was one of those studies that was bound to piss off nearly every body, but for entirely different reasons. Statistics at their best.

  8. J M Walker
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    With 3 votes, you get moo goo gi pan, 4 votes you get egg roll.

  9. heartlander
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    I liked the story in the book about how southside ghetto drug dealers modeled their organization, closely and quite effectively, after McDonald’s.

  10. RD
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Awww, isn’t this cute?

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. - President Bush’s going-away present to Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi was some kind of “Good Luck Charm.” Amid the ceramic monkeys, floor-and-ceiling green shag carpet and animal-head armrests of Graceland’s Jungle Room, the delighted prime minister just couldn’t hold back the Elvis lines.

    Blechhh! Gag! Even the former Mrs. Jackson and Priscilla got in on the act.

    Have any of you BEEN to Graceland? What a laugh! Tackiness to the max. No wonder Priscilla left him.

    (My apologies to any Elvis fans out there.)

  11. Nathan
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to everyone who made it out for my WE bloggers going away party.

    I am truely blessed to have people like you in my life…even though we don’t always agree…on hardly anything :)

  12. XXX
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, we agree that you need to keep your damn head down, LOL!

  13. J M Walker
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    “Nathan, we agree that you need to keep your damn head down, LOL!”

    . . . and your butt even lower . . . LOL!

  14. GaryC.
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    WOW,

    I just saw the Greg Moore Outburst, and I must say that I am now totally against the use of tazers. That just looked so inhumane. I do beleive that most cops have a gun-ho attitude and would not hesitate to abuse their authority to use it. From the video, I think they had him sub-dued. and I dont believe that was necessary

    Believe me when I say I have much dis-dain for most police. I am a minority and have had many incidents of mis-treatment. Mainly my teens and early 20s. So my criticism is coming from my experience.

  15. El Diablo Blanco
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Here is just another outrage that will nver make the national media. These animals should be lynched!

    Tehuacana woman spent two hours ‘in hell’ after being beaten and rapedProtecting yourself on the road

    Friday, June 30, 2006

    By Mike Anderson

    Tribune-Herald staff writer

    LIMESTONE COUNTY — A Tehuacana woman told police she was beaten, stabbed, raped and left for dead along a rural road Wednesday before she walked and crawled a half-mile for help, authorities said Thursday.

    The 18-year-old woman remained in a Temple hospital Thursday, in stable condition after several hours of surgery, authorities said. Officers have arrested two men in connection with the woman’s assault.

    Javier Guzman Martinez, 17, and Noel Darwin Hernandez, 22, both of Mexia, were charged Thursday with aggravated assault and aggravated kidnapping, Limestone County Sheriff Dennis Wilson said.

    Authorities said the pair began following the woman as she was leaving Mexia after spending late Tuesday evening visiting friends. Two men approached the woman and her friends outside a Mexia video store that night and began talking to them, a store employee said.

    The men left but later followed the woman as she left the strip mall, said the employee, who didn’t want to be named.

    Wilson said the assaulted woman did not know the men.

    She told investigators she was driving west on State Highway 171 at about 2:30 a.m. Wednesday when a car rammed her sport utility vehicle and forced her off the road, Wilson said. Two men forced her into their car about two miles from her home.

    They sexually assaulted, beat and stabbed her while driving around rural county roads, Wilson said the woman told investigators.

    “She spent more than two hours in hell,” he said. The woman was left in a ditch by the side of Texas Ranch Road 1950 about a mile south of Coolidge, Wilson said. She pretended to be dead until the men left, Wilson said she told investigators.

    About 4:30 a.m., Dena Lincoln was awakened by faint knocking on her trailer door. She opened it to find the woman standing there, covered in blood.

    “I will never, as long as I live, get that look that was on her face out of my mind,” Lincoln said. “She kept saying, ‘I’m going to die. I’m going to die.’ I told her, ‘No, honey, you are going to be all right. We are going to get you some help.’”

    Lincoln and her husband, both Coolidge volunteer firefighters, wrapped the woman in a blanket and treated her for shock. She was flown by helicopter to Scott & White Hospital in Temple, where she was treated for numerous cuts and stab wounds, including an injury that endangered one eye, Wilson said.

    Over the next several hours, Limestone County deputies, Texas Rangers, the Department of Public Safety and Mexia police canvassed the area investigating the case, Wilson said. Officers went to several bars and other area businesses with a description of the men provided by the victim. That led to a tip on a suspect by Wednesday afternoon, Wilson said.

    Officers found Martinez at his Mexia residence. He confessed to officers about the incident and told them of Hernandez’s involvement, Wilson said. U.S. marshals found and arrested Hernandez at the Waco Transit Center bus station at 301 S. Eighth St. at about 9 p.m. Wednesday.

    Hernandez was to be transferred from McLennan County to the Limestone County Jail late Thursday. Both men were due to be arraigned on the charges by this morning, Wilson said. Both men are apparently in the United States illegally and will be held without bond on immigration charges, he said. Hernandez is from Honduras, and Martinez is from Mexico, he said.http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2006/06/30/06302006wacteenraped.html

  16. El Diablo Blanco
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Quote of the Day:

    “I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs … we have been accomplices to doing something terrible and unforgivable to this wonderful country… we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected.” John Danforth, Republican Senator from Missouri, on April 22, 1992

    V.L.R.B!!!

  17. heartlander
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    The AP, Washington Post, LAT and NYT are investigating a report that U.S. troops raped an Iraqi woman and killed her and three other Iraqis.

    This administration is ruining young Americans. It’s driving them to commit not just war crimes, but atrocities against humanity. Many of them have been sent for 3 plus deployments. That’s because not enough young Americans are volunteering to make 1 deployment the norm.

    It’s time to get out, as General Casey has said. This isn’t “cut and run”. It’s reversing evil.

  18. heartlander
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    BTW, we are ostensibly there to create democracy. A large majority of Iraqis want American invaders to exit their country, as do most Americans, including soldiers. So is the administration listening to the majority opinion there-or here?

  19. NO JIVE!
    Posted June 30, 2006 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t like the way this Blog Site is set up. It is nice that you don’t have to be a member in order to post, but once you get more than about 10 responses under one topic (and that doesn’t take very long), it’s a big mess. I wish it was set up so that when a topic was posted it would then just list the respondent sub-topic post titles and author handles. That way, a person could pick through the posts a lot more easily and could also more quickly identify posts of friends or nemeses.

    (I may re-post this statement in future open threads to guarantee that my opinion doesn’t just get buried in the heap without being noticed. I apologize for the redundancy, but the system forces it upon me.)

  20. J R
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Well welcome NOJIVE.

    Clearly you have some edxperience with other blog sites and input is always welcome.

    “That way, a person could pick through the posts a lot more easily and could also more quickly identify posts of friends or nemeses”

    Well NOJIVE, this blog is the only one I know. But if it was organized so we could pick and choose from the posts of “friends and nemesises” I say alot would be lost. I could choose to read and respond only to those I oppose. My tendency as a brawler. But what might I miss among what my friends have to say? Or, if I chose only to read from that among “my friends” post, just how would that result in posts to make my “nemesis” think?

    Sorry but your idea of allowing picking and choosing would seem to if not kill at least seriously limit debate.

    Give what we have here a shot. Fire away. We are pretty good at policing ourselves.

  21. Original_Steve
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 4:10 am | Permalink

    Thanks JR for agreeing to be the moderator of this blog. What would we do without you?

  22. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    I have the thankless job of pissing evertbody off. It may be thankless but always well done. Right JR?

  23. J M Walker
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    Nice, OS or tb or whoever you are. Slamming JR really gets your point across. What JR wrote pretty much defines this blog. We don’t need a moderator, nor do we need multiple irrational personalities.

  24. XXX
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    “I really don’t like the way this Blog Site is set up.”

    Jive, the format for this blog is a canned product. What you see is what you get. We like the way or blog is laid out. Considering how many hits we get, so do a lot of other people. Of course your opinion about the blog is welcome. Have you tried e-mailing one or more of the editors with your concerns?

    There’s always an alternative. You could start your own blog.

    Let’s see, we get an apparently new blogger concerned about the way the blog is set up, and then we get an attack from Original Steve. Deja Vu….

  25. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Walker, You need not fear competition from multiple irrational personalities. You’ve got the market cornered:-}

  26. Infernal B
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    NOJIVE,”I really don’t like the way this Blog Site is set up. It is nice that you don’t have to be a member in order to post, but once you get more than about 10 responses under one topic (and that doesn’t take very long), it’s a big mess.”I’m sorry it’s so hard for you to follow along, JIVE. Most people don’t seem to have much trouble keeping up.If you don’t want your posts to get lost in the fray, write something worth remembering.Or maybe we could have a special section of the blog just for you. But you’d have to register and use just one screen name.

  27. RD
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Ah, the wonders of a mouse with a scroll wheel!

  28. RD
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Frankly, (my dear) I never have liked the bulletin board type blogs. It’s too easy to get off on a tangent. When a tangent appears here, all I have to do is scroll past it, instead of trying to packpedal with the back button.

    It’s always a good idea to keep up with what the opposition is saying, as well as fellow supporters. I’ve saved my fingers many times when someone else has posted what I was going to post in a much better way than I would have.

    Just guessing, but I think length was the contributing factor of having more than one open thread a week.

  29. J M Walker
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    “Walker, You need not fear competition from multiple irrational personalities. You’ve got the market cornered:-}”

    As I was saying to myself today . . .

    BTW, has anybody, other than Bob, read Bob’s blog concerning us WE bloggers? Follow the sallow link:http://wichitaliberty.org/node/247

  30. J R
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m guessing NOJIVE was a new poster. For him and any other new posters, it should also be mentioned that the open thread is just that. You can post to the current topic being discussed, raise a new one, conduct “blog” business like meet ups, break news, break wind, whatever.

    Watch I’ll demonstrate.

    Well Original Steve, I fail to see how anything in my post suggests I am running for blog moderator! I was merely trying to be helpful and informative to a potentially new poster. I welcomed his criticisms of the blog, gave my take on them, and invited him to participate further. I like helping new posters. Let me do a little more of that.

    For the uninitiated, “Original Steve” is one nic among many for a formerly respected poster who now spends most of his time switching nics, hijacking others nics, trolling, and just being a general nuisance. He cannot get his way as to how things should be run around here and in his frustration has accused just about everyone else of attempting to “run things”. I cite his last post which he has assigned at one time or other to just about everybody.

    It really is rather sad. Alot of us used to really respect his posts. But apparently he prefers negative attention to respect to feed his ego as he posts from his basement at 4 AM.

    “Steve”? Does this mean I’m your new “playmate”/target? I’d like that!

    I’d like it even better if you picked a nic, stayed there, and quit doing things to give you “reason” for your paranoia.

  31. J R
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Thanks the link JM. Probably you and me are so far the only audience that “Bob” has had. So “Bob” owes you a thank you too!

    “Bob” does not recommend this blog. Funny, we seem to be getting more and more posters by the day! I hope I don’t miss anyone but I’d like to welcome Cara,Liz,Gary C, LRB,NOJIVE and any other new posters.

  32. RD
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Something fun for a Saturday…

    If you like Robin Williams and missed him on Leno, you’ll love this! Robin’s take on Rush’s vacation.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/06/30/robin-williams-rush-limbaughs-just-going-fishing/

  33. RD
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    LOL on Bob’s blog! I would have posted a reply, but I hate having to register, since it would be a one time thing.

    So, Bob, have you ever checked out the comments section on Yahoo! News? And you think WE(blog)’re bad. ROFL

  34. J M Walker
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    I left a nice note on Bob’s blog. Even invited him to join us.

  35. True Blue
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    “He ran through the trees and bushes and lived a life of shame, every crime in Oklahoma was added to his name.” Woody Guthrie, “Pretty Boy Floyd”

    I haven’t even posted in about a week, and every new post or suspected troll is ME now.

    You folks are all about screwing WITH each other and have nothing to say TO each other.

    When Original_Steve was trolling ME twich a day, nobody gave a shit. But now that’s it’s happening to YOU, oh man, listen to the howls of pain . . .

    See you in another week . . . if you’re lucky . . .

  36. True Blue
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    BTW, do a bone dig. I’ve never posted at 4 AM since this blog started.

    Unlike Steve, I sleep at night.

  37. Ian Santiago
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    I see that the “Phantom of the Blog” has returned. :)

    Viva La Raza Blanco!!

  38. flike
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    “We like the way or blog is laid out.”Posted by: XXX | July 01, 2006 at 06:40 AM

    Not all of us like the way this blog is laid out.

    I’d much, MUCH prefer a phpBB-powered online community to one written in typepad.

    http://www.phpbb.com/

    I belong to another online community, an expat website in Taiwan, that uses this open-source blog code.

    It’s INFINITELY superior, imo. Not even close.

    $0.02

  39. XXX
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Ok, I admit it…I checked out Bob’s blog. Yippy Skippy. Bob has a lot to say, but nobody seems to post comments. Maybe if his blog was a little easier to access….Like RD, I’m not going to bother with registration just to post one comment.Bob sure seems to be long-winded.

  40. XXX
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Flike, if you don’t like the way the blog works, why didn’t you come to the meet up at the Eagle and voice your concerns? You’re kind of a regular here, why not share your ideas with the rest of us when we addressed the subject? I can’t speak for the rest, but I consider you a serious blogger. I’m a little surprised you didn’t get involved if you’re not happy with the way things are.

  41. Infernal B
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    “You folks are all about screwing WITH each other and have nothing to say TO each other.”Look who’s talking. What an amusing little hypocrite.”See you in another week . . . if you’re lucky . . . “Or not—-

  42. flike
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    XXX, I don’t usually get home until 7:30 p.m., at the earliest, on weeknights.

    If the WE or all y’all hold meetings during my work time, then I’m going to be AWOL every time - unfortunately! ;>)

  43. J M Walker
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Flike,The meet started at 7:00, the discussion at around 7:30 or 8:00. You could have stopped by then and given your .02 worth. What you see is what you get.

  44. flike
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    By the time I get home I’m starving, JM. This implies that I need to eat dinner.

    It just doesn’t work for me, weeknights.

    FWIW, I agree re: WYSIWYG.

  45. flike
    Posted July 1, 2006 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    But to add to what’s here, JM:

    Frankly, I can’t believe people have the time free during the week to meet like this. I sure don’t.

    I also note that WE staff were working during the last WE meeting, no? I mean, it’s not like yall’s free time is everybody’s free time, right?

    Do yall not work seriously, or, having achieved your goals, do you not have something else you could do with your time?!?

    Time is money, time is short: words to live by - especially if you’re my age (believe me).

    $0.02

  46. Damoon
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Flike, I work as hard as the next person, but I can still find time for my hobbies. Life should be about balancing work and pleasure. Life is too short not to enjoy it. When you’re lying on your death bed, are you going to be glad you worked so much overtime and collected all those pay stubs? I’d rather remember all the good times I had enjoying my time on this earth.

  47. J R
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm missed this last little exchange.

    While I do like the blog the way it is, it is unfortunate you did not get to weigh in flike.

    I sympathize flike. I did TRY to get the Eagle to make their meet up more accomodating. Now I understand they were very accomodating once folks got there. That’s good. But I felt as you did that the event was not convenient enough to accomodate as many bloggers as possible. The editors of course do have a biz to run and working hours to accomodate.

    If I may ask flike, if the Eagle had provided food, would this have made a difference in your attending?

    No doubt weeknight meeutups are problematic for many. There have been so far 4 meetups. Three were on Thursday nights. I don’t know what is magic about Thursday nights or if it is just a coincidence.

    I’m something of a student of meetups.#1 started out as a personal confrontation! Nobody knew anyone else.

    2 was on a weekend and heavily promoted a month in advance.

    Meetup 3 was the official Eagle meetup. Now to be fair there was a month notice and three dedicated threads. But the Eds did the threads and then weighed in no more. They do have other things to do.

    #4 was hastily organized out of necessity. On that short notice it was well promoted. But again it was by necessity a week night.

    My thoughts here are that the next meetup should be planned at least a month in advance. Bloggers AND the editors should weigh in as to what weekend day is most convenient to attend. The event should be heavily promoted by both us bloggers and the editors. A notation of the event on the Eagle editorial page couldn’t hurt. The goal should be to get as many of the editors and bloggers to attend as possible.

    Necessary draws:FOODbloggers who have not yet attended a meetup.plenty of time

    That is my .02 Flike. YOur thoughts?

  48. Repkue
    Posted March 27, 2007 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Defying a veto threat, the Democratic-controlled Senate narrowly signaled support Tuesday for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by next March.

    Republican attempts to scuttle the nonbinding timeline failed on a vote of 50-48, largely along party lines.

    Makes no difference because by tnenwe will be at war with Iran.

  49. Ben Huie
    Posted March 27, 2007 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    “#1 started out as a personal confrontation! Nobody knew anyone else”

    I wouldn’t call it a confrontation; just a meetup. I never felt that Hank (the organizer) or anyone else was confrontational. (Although I joke that he ‘threatened’ me ;^))