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  1. TRACY
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    OH NO, NOT AGAIN!!

  2. TRACY
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    Oh yeah, and what happened to Mr.T?He was supposed to sue my ass for calling him an ass. And I was so looking forward to my day in court!

  3. Joe Williams
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Aren’t you Mr. T?

  4. TRACY
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    I guess I should have said Mr. Turner, the trolling twit.

    I can’t sue me, I don’t have the money.

  5. Joe Williams
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    I don’t know who he is or have read any of his post.

    I know you are just being sarcastic, but I wouldn’t worry about anybody sueing. Well…I take that back. You never know.

  6. TRACY
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    Yeah Joe, I’m not worried.This guy showed up on an earlier thread about Phelps and offered to do something (legal) about Fred….For a price!!!!What a twit.Then when our regulars started calling him a con-man and other appropriate creative descriptive names–he listed us all by name and said we would be sued for libel.

    Troll or genuine dumb-ass?Only Mr. Turner knows!

  7. Sum1
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Has anyone read the rolling stones article by RFK jr?

    This is the first time there is such a comprehensive list of tactics used to subvert the right to vote. Why can’t this be used to create ‘real’ reform so our elections have more validity?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/1

  8. XXX
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Sum1,”Why can’t this be used to create ‘real’ reform so our elections have more validity?”

    Because those in power don’t want “real” reform.

    I read the article you link to yesterday. CF provided the link on another thread. Kennedy’s article should serve as a wake-up call to all real Americans. The republicans will do anything to stay in power.

    The end justifies the means.

    Had enough?

  9. XXX
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    “The real danger is that we who support the war will reach the point that we say “we might as well be taken as wolves then as sheep”. At that point the left can celebrate that they have made our military and those who support it the people they claim we are. Once that happens however any compunction about respecting them will be gone, and remember one side is armed and one is not.”

    http://thismodernworld.com/2930

    The republicans have all the guns.

  10. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    XXX, maybe so, but we have all the brains.

    Then again, maybe nobody will have all the guns.

    http://www.stopungunban.org/

  11. CF
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    XXX,

    Yeah, I saw that threat yesterday. So now the Wingnuts are threatening us openly. But really, Reynolds and his ilk are the same as the following lovely site, which I’ve included for your perusal:

    http://www.liberalsmustdie.com

    There’s a lot one can say, but this fascist takeover of American society has been building for longer than I’ve been alive. There are lots of angry, easily directed people who are just itching to kill people whose views they don’t accept.

    This is the America the Republican Party has created: dangerously divided and at odds with itself. The culture war has been the GOP’s tool for 35 years, but one wonders how long they can keep it from turning into a real, civil war, as well as how long liberals are going to continue to allow the game to be played on the GOP’s terms and the terms of the bought and paid for corporate media.

    Stolen Presidential elections? Check. Culture of corruption? Check. Widespread surveillance and the reduction of personal freedoms? Check. The creation of secret detention facilities and the use of torture and killing? Check. Militarization of the population and the identification of scapegoats, both domestic and foreign? Check. The assertion of extra-Constitutional privilege by the Executive, and the assertion that final Constitutional authority rests with the Executive? Check. State control of the media and the denial of legitimacy or recognition to the opposition? Check.

    We’re in fascism. It’s here. Has been for a while.

    RD,

    Indeed. That’s the equalizer. The question is, how are brains to be deployed?

  12. Heckler
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    All your guns are belong to us.

  13. CF
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Not as long as there’s a Second Amendment.

  14. Heckler
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    CF

    I strongly urge you to sing the petition that RD linked to above.

    Have a great day.

  15. TRACY
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Hum a few bars and maybe I can sing along too.

  16. raptor
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Speaking of lawsuits and Phelps, anyone catch this morning (Saturday) paper? A Marine dad is suing Phelps…”intentional inflicting emotional distress” and other things. I LOVE IT!! Bout damn time someone used the laws that fred hides behind to attack him! Now…if a few dozen more people would do the same thing, maybe it would make that crazed old fool think twice?

  17. TRACY
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Right on raptor, I’d gladly help him with that lawsuit.I think he’s intentionally inflicted emotional distress on all Kansans.

  18. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    “Indeed. That’s the equalizer. The question is, how are brains to be deployed?”

    Damn, we’re out of caffeine, but I’ll try to think this through.

    We keep hearing about civil war in the U.S., but what I keep thinking is a revolution. If even half the rumors are true, we do truly need to be afraid. Still, I’m not ready to go out and buy a gun. Sad but true.

    Then I remember the story of Washington’s troops at Valley Forge, reminding me that, throughout the Revolutionary War, we were a ragtag bunch of patriots. We had few arms, compared to the Brits, and the formal training of the Continental Army left a lot to be desired. And yet we won our independence. Why? Our military leaders were smart. They recognized and understood our weaknesses and used them. Brains and the love and need for freedom won that war. Why not again?

  19. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Heckler, I didn’t even notice there was a petition. I only began to watch the video and found the whole thing so ridiculous, I didn’t finish.

    Not that the NRA is ridiculous. But the U.N. has become one of the most useless entities in the world when it comes to this sort of thing.

    Who listens to the U.N. and follows their resolutions? Certainly not the U.S., if it’s something we don’t want to do. The U.N. has become too “small,” too ineffective to do much of anything. If GW can spit in the face of the U.N. when told not to enter Iraq, do you honestly think we’ll go along with a firearms ban?

    Then again, I may just sign the petition or send the letters or whatever.

  20. XXX
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    CF,”The culture war has been the GOP’s tool for 35 years, but one wonders how long they can keep it from turning into a real, civil war, as well as how long liberals are going to continue to allow the game to be played on the GOP’s terms and the terms of the bought and paid for corporate media.”

    I’ve been asking myself that question for a long time. How does the Bizzarro world of republicans equate republican policies with morallity? While I’m not a Democrat per se, I find Democratic principals (feeding hungry children, providing shelter for unfortunate people, providing health care for everyone, leaving oour neighbors alone, and NOT starting needless wars that kill thousands of innocents)more in line with my Christian principals than this insanity republicans have saddled us with.

    At what point do we say, “ENOUGH”? I’ve noted on several occasions that republicans have all the guns. I wasn’t kidding. High-minded retoric gets you nowhere when the other side is willing to use a bullet to make their point. The framers of our Constitution knew what they were doing when the wrote the Second Amendment. The government always has to consider an armed populace. Problem is, half of us are unarmed by choice.

    CF, you offer a checklist of what’s wrong in this country. What do we do about it? The power of the vote is neutered by the criminallity of the party in power. A while back, I was throughly excoriated for mentioning the posibility of civil war. Am I really that far off base?

    A question:We have an election coming up. When the republicans win again and widespread election fraud like what we saw in Ohio is obvious, what are we going to do about it?

    I don’t condone or support civil war, but if need be, I’ll fight for my country.

    Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

  21. writerdog
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Sigh! Now you got me thinking again! So you might know what that means? Just how long was “War and Peace” again?

    I have seen this coming in more then one way and for more then one reason. The taking of weapons was one, freedom is another. Both and you will see the tearing a part of everything.

    I need to think on it.

  22. Heckler
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    RD

    It’s no secret that there are plenty of anti-gunners in the US Senate.

    The danger is if the UN were to pass this resolution or treaty or whatever they call it, and the US Senate were to approve that treaty(with a simple majority) we would end up with this huge constitutional battle over whether a treaty can take precedence over our own constitution and the attending arguement over whether the 2nd amendment applies to individuals or is an antiquated relic that only applies to militias. Could be a real mess for gun owners depending on who is in power at any given time.

  23. XXX
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    “Ohio was “as dirty an election as America has ever seen.” But what may come after that, I don’t find so heartening. Do enough Americans really lack for knowledge of their government’s crimes? Are there not already millions who, to the Bush laundry list of bloody obscenity, would wearily nod their heads, I know?

    Maybe it’s not awareness that needs raising, so much as American fists.”

  24. J M Walker
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    A poem I wrote for an online writing site. The feedback I got has been interesting. Some say the “he” is obvious. It’s not.

    he spoke

    and thousands

    believed

    he lied

    and thousands

    died

    he spoke

    and thousands

    mourned

    he lied

    and thousands

    questioned

    he spoke

    and no one

    listened

    he lied

    and no one

    believed

    anymore

  25. XXX
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    LeftHook, here’s one for you,

    “Bush Tops List As U.S. Voters Name Worst President”

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11385.xml?ReleaseID=919

  26. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Heckler,

    Just for the record, I am not anti-gun. I do, however, believe ownership should be regulated to some degree. For instance, the sunsetting of the assault weapons bothered me. I’m in favor of the Brady Bill. But I DO NOT and never have wanted all guns banned. Ridiculous.

    On the other hand, I think we’ve well outgrown the real thought behind the Second Ammendment. Well, until now. :)

  27. Joe Williams
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    I remain skeptical. Until somebody besides Robert Kennedy Jr, who has been so wrong before, calls this out, then I’m not going to hold my breath.

    The article is too new to fact check it or snopes check it yet, but it will come. I wonder why the main stream press hasn’t picked up on this?

    I’ll probably say that there was probably some illegal activity going on in both parties. There has been reports of non-citizens, dead people, and double voting by Democrats. That is why they don’t want laws that make you show a picture ID to vote.

    But both parties I seriously doubt is so widespread that it will effect an election.

    But I don’t consider Rolling Stone magazine or Kennedy Jr, as a crediable news source. I’m not totally discounting it, but Kennedy Jr. is a shy away from the consipiracy theory crowd. Wasn’t he the one that said that children vaccines caused autism? Maybe it wasn’t him.

    Although I’m will all of you. A fair and accurate voting results should be expected. And every election is always marred by election tampering of some kind. Both Parties and throughout the history of the USA.

  28. J R
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Sigh….

    So many good links so little time. I will have to go back to devoting time to just reading links!

    It might be a good idea to post the Kennedy elections article link again. I know where it is on the other thread, but this is apparently necessary reading and probably bears repeating.

  29. J R
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    XXX?

    I remember your mention of civil war. That was on a political civility thread! Damned appropriate I thought. I don’t think you were excoriated by anyone but GMC who was joined by a few others of the right wing persuasion.

    Maybe they just don’t want us to know about the civil war? Or perhaps they as usual refuse to see how bad it is getting because so far they are the beneficiaries of the corruption.

    I’ve a feeling if things were the other way around the fighting would already be going on.

  30. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Was the 2004 Election Stolen?Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/1

  31. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Joe, did you read the JFK Jr. article? Just curious. :)

  32. Joe Williams
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    I read some of it, but not all 4 pages.

    When I read his first point about the discrepancy in the exit polls vs. the actual vote count of 2004, but makes no mention of Florida in 2000 that sided with Gore on the exit polls. Just a little one sided I thought.

    On his second point he accuses Kenneth Blackwell of rigging just because he (Kennedy Jr.) has an opinion that Blackwell has a strong motivation to rig the count. He is especially critical of Blackwell, just beause he is running for Govenor is Ohio. RFK sounds very partisan to me.

    Look! There might be some voter problems, but there is nothing widespread or a vast conspiracy or high elected officals rigging elections on the part of any party. Nothing can be that well organized or planned illegally without it being known. You can’t get away with something like that and the Main Stream Media would have picked up on it in a heartbeat and long before RFK article. Elections are the most closely watch and scrutizied activity in America. Billions of dollars are spent by many organizations to see to it that nothing illegal slips the crack. You will always get busted in politics.

    But RKJ has information that nobody else has and he is the brains behind finding that Ohio was completely rigged. John Kerry lost Ohio, because Ohio statewide is a Republican State.

    Just because many people who tried to vote failed to registar to vote 30 days before an election as required by law, that somehow constitutes Republicans preventing people to vote. :rolleyes:

    Let me know if anybody parrots RKJ

    I don’t buy it. This has nothing to do with favoring a party either. If the GOP really did prevent votes I want to know that, but I don’t buy RKJ crafted opinion.

  33. Posted June 3, 2006 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    CF, I thought about a website like that, but http://www.killallmalecableexecutiveswiththerankofvicepresidentandabove.com just doesn’t roll off the tongue, if you know what I mean, lol

  34. writerdog
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I can not speak to 2000, though it has always seem odd that one can win a popular vote and still not carry the election. 2004 to be honest I would have seen no need to be dishonest about it. Bush was still riding high on the speech of 9-11, this country always seem to favor the war time president and most of the rumbling of his amoral acts were being dismissed as partisan politics. Take into count that the majority were to busy to pay attention, there just would not have been a need. Now 2008? count your money if it is a neo-con or RR handing it to you! The party has reason to be concerned for the next presidential election, only if we moderates can take back the party could there be a difference and I honestly do not see it happening soon. The majority of Republicans are still not seeing anything but partisan politics. I run into a few that have second guessing going on but they head is still reeling as to just what has happened and what to do.

  35. Joe Williams
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Actually Writerdog! 2008 will be an unusual Presidential Election, because it will mark the 1st time in a very long time that a Presidential race will be open for both sides. Meaning, there will not be an incumbant President or a Vice President running for election.

    Bout time I see a good election like this. No coat tails.

  36. writerdog
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    That is true Joe and even more reason to watch this one closer.

  37. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Joe,

    “…makes no mention of Florida in 2000 that sided with Gore on the exit polls.”

    This wasn’t about the Florida vote, except that what happened in Florida seems to have been the beginning of this. Katherine Harris was referenced, and just look where she is today.

    *Mistakenly purging eligible voters from the rolls was among the state’s biggest stumbles in the 2000 presidential election in Florida, which decided the presidency by 537 votes.**The list included voters who had never been convicted of crimes, some whose rights had been restored by other states and others whose names matched those of felons. Nobody knows how many valid voters were disenfranchised.* — http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBOPBXS5WD.html

    The Detroit Free Press had an article about the “terror alert” Kennedy referenced. But I guess he made all of that stuff up, huh?

    “On his second point he accuses Kenneth Blackwell of rigging just because he (Kennedy Jr.) has an opinion that Blackwell has a strong motivation to rig the count.”

    Oh, man, I’m still trying to figure out where Blackwell running for Gov comes into Kennedy’s opinion. It’s a fact. If you can’t figure out how helping your party rig the biggest election in the last century plays into this, then I guess you aren’t as widely read as I’d thought. Or have as much common sense, either. Again, look at where Katherine Harris is today.

    “Main Stream Media would have picked up on it in a heartbeat and long before RFK article.”

    The MSM didn’t pick up on a damn thing until Katrina. Not that they’re picking up on a whole lot now, but at least they made some half-hearted stabs at it. But who do you consider MSM? What about local media? Did you read any of the accounts from Ohio’s media? And just who owns the majority of the MSM? Liberals? RKJ’s article was far from being the first. If you missed it, perhaps broadening your scope would help. The WE isn’t going to tell you that much. Ask yourself WHY MSM didn’t pick this up from the local media? If they had, I’m sure there would’ve been some eye-rolling in every Republcian household across the country. They’d have turned off their TV’s, and what would THAT have done to ratings?

    *Mistakenly purging eligible voters from the rolls was among the state’s biggest stumbles in the 2000 presidential election in Florida, which decided the presidency by 537 votes.**The list included voters who had never been convicted of crimes, some whose rights had been restored by other states and others whose names matched those of felons. Nobody knows how many valid voters were disenfranchised.* — http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBOPBXS5WD.html

    The Detroit Free Press had an article about the “terror alert” Kennedy referenced. I have a link, but it’s no longer accessible. And if I went through all of my links, I could give you several from local newspapers and television stations. But I guess he made all of that stuff up, huh?

    “But RKJ has information that nobody else has and he is the brains behind finding that Ohio was completely rigged. John Kerry lost Ohio, because Ohio statewide is a Republican State.”

    It’s a compilation of the information that’s been out there since this all began. I guess you think he made up all the numbers and stuff, and all the legitimate data collectors. He gathered information. He provided links.

    “Just because many people who tried to vote failed to registar to vote 30 days before an election as required by law, that somehow constitutes Republicans preventing people to vote.” :rolleyes:

    Do you take those eyes out before rolling them?

    They didn’t fail to register. You didn’t read the article. You don’t want to read the artcle. But if it was about Dems rigging an election with a scope this big, you’d be posting every last word of it on here. Partisan? I’d say the Republicans made this partisan when they started messing around where they shouldn’t.

    Elections are our right. It is how we have a voice in this country. It’s probably the last place in this country where we DID have a voice. But even that has been taken away from it, thanks to Free Speech Zones and the like. And people wonder why others don’t bother to vote.

  38. writerdog
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    RD since it has been brought up in the other open thread, did you use the “Formula” to write your books? Or go from your head on them? LoL someone at work the other night brought up that she knows someone that writes Romance novels for Gays. I have explore just about every topic and Genre in my writing, but not that one!The closest was a short where the main character had a lesbian encounter, but it was more of her sexually experience than her preference. Imagine what fun you could have with a character that is a Pentecostal of holiness? The dynamics and conflict within that vehicle!

  39. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Formula? All genres have their own “formula,” which is basically the parameters that make them that particular genre.

    For instance, sci-fi is as formulaic as romance. I haven’t read a lot of sci-fi, but one of the things they have that others don’t is a world built by the author and inhabited by characters who may be human or may not, all created by the author.

    Mystery? You have a whodunit with clues, red herrings (no, not the fish), and the bad guy meets his just desserts (no, not cherry pie) in the end. (All in () are just kidding. :) )

    At this point, my publisher doesn’t buy books like the two you described. But there are publishers who do, or at least do publish gay romance.

    The publishing business is tough. I’m currently what’s referred to as an orphaned author. It’s like starting all over again and not at all fun. But who can truthfully say that everything about their job is fun?

    Whatever you do, keep trying. If you don’t, you’ll never know what might have happened. :)

  40. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    I heard something last night that surprised me, although I don’t have anything to back it up.

    The Carlisle Group owns the phone company that did NOT turn over their phone records.

    Interesting….

  41. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Headline: Bush backs federal marriage amendment

    Since when is the Constitution used for curtailing freedoms? I thought it was all about defining and enriching them.

    Election year campaigning, yet again. Dominionism rears its ugly head, just in time to sway the voters, and then forget about promises made.

  42. Ian Santiago
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    RD,

    Shrub lost his base with his immigration treason and this stunt won’t get them back.

    V.L.R.B!!

  43. writerdog
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    I had read that some romance novelists have a formula that they just follow through out all their books. Following the same outline and all they do is change the names and places. “John met Mary at the barn dance and said “Mary, your as pretty as a new born colt!”. Next book, “Henry met Joan at the cotillion and said “Joan, you are as pretty as a May flower!”.

    Every story has already been written and every subject has already been touched upon, the secret is to make it your own: John met Mary at the barn dance and said, “Mary , I am in love with Joan but she is in love with Henry. I believe Henry is a space alien, but how can I break her heart by telling her? Mary what can I do?” Suddenly Mary drew a phaser and John was not more, she turned to Joan and she too was no more.‚”Henry now we can finally be together!”

    Thank you.

  44. Darwin'sDisciple
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    This from Reuters – quoting Bush regarding the Federal gay marriage ban.***********************************

    “Marriage is the most enduring and important human institution, honored and encouraged in all cultures and by every religious faith,” Bush said in his weekly radio address.

    “Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and a wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society.”

    Bush said a constitutional amendment was needed to keep “activist” judges from overturning efforts by some state legislatures to ban gay marriage.

    But Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, accused Bush of using the radio address to “appease his right-wing conservative base.”

    “At a time when Americans are tuning in to hear about issues they care about, he chose to spend the time advocating writing discrimination into the Constitution.”***********************************The whole article here:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060603/pl_nm/rights_gays_bush_dc_2

    How do we get to the place where banning gay marriage helps/saves straight marriage? I am not seeing the logical intervening steps — could it be that they are not there?

    There’s nothing like homophobia to promote political cohesion and other forms of fun and profit.

    Clearly this suggests Bush recognizes the immigration issue is toxic and so he goes back to the old stand-by. Hmmmm…

  45. J R
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Yeah DD , and right behind this one is the last line of defense for the party of failure; a Constitutional amendment protecting the flag from desecration. Homophobia and the flag are their “bunker issues”. Truly they have retreated to the depths of do nothing “feel good” legislation.

  46. RD
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Writerdog, no, I don’t do that, and I don’t know anyone who writes that way. With romance, the real formula is taking a man and a woman who are at odds in some way (he’s a fireman, she’s a pyromaniac would be an extreme example) and throw them together. It involves sexual tension, the “I want but I can’t have” stuff, and eventually must lead to a happily ever after for them.

    There are only 21 plots. All fictional stories use one or more of them. It’s how you use them and the characters you create that make the difference.

    For stats on the romance industry, visit http://rwanational.org. I think you’ll be surprised at what you see.

    Have you ever heard of a book titled The Hero’s Journey? You’d find it interesting, I’m sure.

    I have and know of some other great books on writing. If you’d like a list, let me know and I’ll send it to you. I guess one can’t ever know too much. :)

  47. Ian Santiago
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Some of these politicians need to killed, horribly and publicly!

    By Dani DodgeUNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERJune 3, 2006

    If an election can turn on a sentence, this could be the one: “You don’t need papers for voting.”

    On Thursday night, Francine Busby, the Democratic candidate for the 50th Congressional District, was speaking before a largely Latino crowd in Escondido when she uttered those words. She said yesterday she simply misspoke.

    AdvertisementBut someone taped it and a recording began circulating yesterday. After she made that statement at the meeting, Busby immediately said: “You don’t need to be a registered voter to help (the campaign).”She said that subsequent statement was to clarify what she meant.

    The recording, which was played yesterday on Roger Hedgecock’s radio talk show, jolted the campaign.

    Busby, a Cardiff school board member, is in a tight race with Republican Brian Bilbray, a congressman-turned-lobbyist, who has based his campaign on a tough anti-illegal-immigration stance. Busby has focused her campaign on ethics reform. The two are vying to replace Randy “Duke” Cunningham, who was jailed after pleading guilty to taking bribes.

    Busby said she was invited to the forum at the Jocelyn Senior Center in Escondido by the leader of a local soccer league. Many of the 50 or so people there were Spanish speakers. Toward the end, a man in the audience asked in Spanish: “I want to help, but I don’t have papers.”

    It was translated and Busby replied: “Everybody can help, yeah, absolutely, you can all help. You don’t need papers for voting, you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.”

    Bilbray said at worst, Busby was encouraging someone to vote illegally. At best, she was encouraging someone who is illegally in the country to work on her campaign.

    “She’s soliciting illegal aliens to campaign for her and it’s on tape ‚Äì this isn’t exactly what you call the pinnacle of ethical campaign strategy,” Bilbray said. “I don’t know how she shows her face.”http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/50thdistrict/20060603-9999-1mi3busby.html

    viva La Raza Blanco!!!

  48. XXX
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    The “Defense of Marriage act” is just pablum for the republican base, the far right religious fanatic wingnuts. They go for it every time. How long before the “twit wing” of the republican party figures out they’re being had? They vote republican and get nothing but broken promises in return. What morons.

  49. CF
    Posted June 3, 2006 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Street Fighting Man(M. Jagger/K. Richards)

    Ev’rywhere I hear the sound of marching, charging feet, boy’Cause summer’s here and the time is right for fighting in the street, boyWell then what can a poor boy doExcept to sing for a rock ‘n’ roll band’Cause in sleepy London townThere’s just no place for a street fighting manNo!

    Hey! Think the time is right for a palace revolution’Cause where I live the game to play is compromise solutionWell then what can a poor boy doExcept to sing for a rock ‘n’ roll band’Cause in sleepy London townThere’s no place for a street fighting manNo!Get down

    Hey! Said my name is called disturbanceI’ll shout and scream, I’ll kill the king, I’ll rail at all his servantsWell, what can a poor boy doExcept to sing for a rock ‘n’ roll band’Cause in sleepy London townThere’s no place for a street fighting manNoGet down

  50. Posted June 3, 2006 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Agreed, XXX. They’re total tools.

    They vote to make abortion illegal, and they get tax cuts for the investor class. They vote to deny gay rights, and they get jobs outsourced to China. They vote for school vouchers for religious schools, and they get war for oil in Iraq.

    But it’s easy to underestimate the stupidity of these people. A reasonable person thinks “surely these people aren’t such idiots that they go Repub AGAIN.” And then they do.

    Folks who pass snakes around and believe that the universe is only 8,000 years old because “that’s what the Bible says” have already seriously compromised their God-given gift of rationality.

  51. k
    Posted June 4, 2006 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Two things to think about LH1) “Only two things are infinite the universe and stupidity and I’m not all that sure about the former” -Albert Einstien

    2)”Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups” -Unknown

    I find these very accurately describe the religious right. Sacrificing the 2400+ troops in Iraq is okay with them. But don’t you dare even think about aborting a fetus. That is murder. Everything else (the economy, the Constitution, civil liberities) is fluff and we can just as easily get along with out them.

  52. writerdog
    Posted June 4, 2006 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    I always want to know more, “You can never know everything in just one life time”. I think I would rather read your books. I have to admit that romance has not often been on my reading list, at least not those touted as romance. LoL I seem to follow trends without knowing I am following treads. I started writing only to find everyone is a writer, I started teaching myself to play the guitar, only to find the everyone was playing the guitar. I did not know I had a mullet till after I had cut mine off! I applaud you for being published and more important not rubbing it in the face of those that have not. I have met some that manage to get one book in print and then set back on the shore and criticize those that can not swim. Never to even try to get their feet back in the water. I wish you well in finding another house to work with.

  53. RD
    Posted June 4, 2006 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Writerdog, I’ve found that most would like to write a book, many have said they even started one. People often have ideas and suggest I or another author write the book, and they’ll share the earnings. LOL

    I’ve always been a reader, and my reading is very eclectic. I’ve never taken classes such as creative writing and don’t have a degreee in journalism. I don’t follow any kind of formula, except what I’ve unconsciously absorbed through common, everyday reading.

    Oh, wait. When I first decided to write with an eye for publication, I did take a correspondence course through the mail. I was looking to write for children. But I quit when there were other things I had to attend to. Then I stumbled on romance, which I hadn’t read for several years, loved many of the books I read, and decided to give writing one a try. It was fun! I joined RWA and learned tons about the romance industry and the writing industry in general. It does make a difference when you understand what you’re undertaking.

    I believe each and every one of us is born with a gift. For some it may be music, for others it may be a mechanical gift (like fixing cars or things), or math, or science, or gardening, or… Most never recognize their gift and go about wishing they could do this or that, when if they would only look inside, they would see and know their gift.

    I feel I’ve been extremely lucky. If I never sell another book, I can live with that. But I do, truly, thank you for your good wishes. :)

  54. Ed Friedemann
    Posted June 4, 2006 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Bush said he is the “decider” when actually he is suppose to represent the “deciders.”

  55. J R
    Posted June 5, 2006 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Osama bin Laden remains at large and threatens further attack.

    Iraq is a shambles of factions killing each other and our overstressed troops committing atrocities that only further fuel the civil war and the united hatred of American troops.

    Our southern border is a sieve. Terrorists or desperately hungry people violate it every day at the cost of American security and the worknig standards of Americas own poor.

    Climate change, natural or human activity caused remains unaddressed.

    Tomorrow, George Bush will ignore all these considerations. He will speak out for a Constitutional Amendment banning marriage in all but the narrow parameters he and his dwindling followers call acceptable.

    In the face of the so many threats to America, he will use his bully pulpit to advocate yet again for the denial of liberties in favor of securities. This time he will be doing it not for the feigned security of the country but for the security of the narrow minded their predjudice and hate. He will pander to the basest of his base in an attempt to assure himself that though he is the most hated and failed man in history, he can still find support among the worst of us.

    Sad.

  56. Ben Huie
    Posted June 5, 2006 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Southwest Airlines is going into Kansas City International. Still not into Wichita …

    http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/14746284.htm

  57. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted June 5, 2006 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Ben, Southwest has been flying into and out of KCI for years. These are new direct flights to Denver, and are, in my opinion, being run to address the bias of how easy it is in Kansas to fly east but not west.

  58. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted June 5, 2006 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    But I too wish Southwest was a choice available in Wichita.

  59. Ben Huie
    Posted June 5, 2006 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    According to one of our resident cheerleaders SouthWest is coming to Wichita “soon”

  60. RD
    Posted June 5, 2006 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

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