But we need those immigrant workers

Conservative commentator Larry Kudlow noted with dismay the recent provision in the Senate immigration bill to limit the Mexican guest-worker program to 200,000, “even though numerous studies say we need at least twice that amount.”
He also noted that even if 60 million Mexicans immigrate to the United States over the next two decades (as a fearmongering Heritage Foundation study claims), that could help America avoid the looming worker shortage that demographically is a ticking time bomb for Social Security and Medicare solvency.
He raised some good points. The fuss over immigration continues to ignore economic realities about America’s growing need for an immigrant work force.
Posted by Randy Scholfield

12 Comments

  1. writerdog
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 2:40 am | Permalink

    The famous catch 22 is, why are the employers hiring the illegals? Because they will work for a dollar and a half an hour. Once they become legal will they still do that? Of course not, they are now entitled to the same wage and hour rules that governs every U.S. Citizen that works. A shortage of workers ? Maybe a shortage of workers willing to except sub minimum wages! It seems to me some one is being lied to!

  2. JWink
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Two important issues relate to illegal immigrants arriving in the U.S. from all over the world: 1) identification and registration and 2) health checks and shots. American citizens of whatever culture are subject to potential of various diseases and crimes if these issues are not controlled somehow.

    When in Pratt recently, on a Sunday morning, I noticed one of those many buses from El Paso stopped near a McDonalds discharging an immigrant to walk the final block to McDonalds. Since I was going to McD’s for breakfast, I visited for about ten minutes with the fellow.

    He told me some interesting things. He was about 50 years old and could speak English to some degree. He said he had left his automobile near El Paso and bought a ticket ($50??) to take the bus up Highway 54 to Pratt where he was going to meet a friend. He said they left El Paso about 6 PM the previous evening for the approximate 14 hour drive. He said most of the people on the bus were going to Wichita or K.C. He said he had experience as a truck driver so had already traveled around the United States. I asked him if most of the people on the bus were illegal immigrants. He replied that he didn’t know but he thought they were all cleared at customs in El Paso.

    He seemed like a decent fellow trying find a job to support his family back home. But there are some big issues here that need attention from some level of government.

  3. TRACY
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    We keep bringing in cheaper and cheaper labor, and soon all the have-nots will be working for even less.I know, personal responsability, go to college, make your own way in the world, yada yada.That’s just not a realistic view for so many millions worldwide.This can be a complicated issue, but all I know is that everything but blue-collar wages is going up, and millions of low paid guest workers will only perpetuate this condition. And a ’service-based’ economy is unsustainable.There–and all yous’ thought I would never get serious and actually have an opinion on sumpin’.

  4. Joe Williams
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    What I think is that they shouldn’t limit the “guest worker” just to mexicans.

    I was listening to NPR and they had a story of an orchard farm in California and they hire Thailanders instead of Mexicans. The owner found them to be more stable and hard working employees than Mexicans, and the Thailanders actually return home.

    I also met some Aussie guys that come over every summer to work for custom cutting crews for the grain harvest in America.

    Also! We shouldn’t use immigration as a quick fix to Social Security and Medicare, because all you’re doing is delaying the problem and not fixing it. But that is typical government and politicans for you.

    Basically just want to point out that the “guest worker” program should be open to all around the world, not just citizens of Mexico.

  5. Posted June 6, 2006 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    The holes in our border worry me a little. The holes in our ethics worry me a lot. Illegals buy fake green cards, or take pay in cash and don’t report it. Employers know they’ve got illegals working for them, and don’t report. Cheating. Cheating. Everyone in the courntry is cheating.

  6. JWink
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Regarding illegal immigration, I’m going to offer some comments about what should be done. Frankly, I’m still developing my thoughts here and hopefully WE bloggers will add some intellectual ideas to this pot.

    Here in Sedgwick County, we can’t do much about the Mexican border or the Canadian border or the Atlantic and Pacific coasts.

    So our response will have to be right here in Sedgwick County.

    We need more input from immigrants here in Sedgwick County. What kind of registration and health care have they participated in since arrival? Can they get drivers licenses? Auto insurance? Checking accounts? Jobs? etc. and probably many other questions I can’t think of at this moment. How many are actually living here in Sedgwick County?

    Our Sedgwick County government should appoint a 50 member citizens commission to examine these critical issues immediately.

    Sedgwick County government should set up an identification and registration center to do just that — identify and register all immigrants and establish some rules about re-registration and so forth while in Sedgwick County. Most likely this should be near the downtown courthouse/city hall.

    Provide basic health screening and shots to protect immigrants and current Sedgwick County citizens from a conflaguration of sickness.

    I’m not sure how USD 259 and other school systems here in Sedgwick County are handling health issues of incoming students but this needs to be examined to protect students and teachers this fall.

    Determine locally if current U.S. laws on immigration are being observed. Furnish information to immigrants on this.

    Anecdotes of say 1,000 real immigrants should be collected to find out what is really going on here here in Sedgwick County.

    With that, I will stop and hope this inspires some real intellectual responses from WE bloggers.

  7. Ian Santiago
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    We DO NOT NEED these vermin! They need to be deported using as much force as is required. Also, the politicians and judges who enable the invaders deserve to hang from lamposts and trees across the country, simple!!!

    An illegal immigrant from Mexico has been indicted in the sex assault of a 9-year-old girl

    Kathleen Hopkins:

    An illegal immigrant who once worked for a family in the tony North Beach section of Long Beach Island has been indicted on charges of breaking into the family’s home under cover of darkness to sexually assault the couple’s 9-year-old daughter.

    An Ocean County grand jury late Wednesday handed up an indictment charging Jose Omar Fernandez-Aguilar, 25, a native of Mexico who lives on Central Avenue in Ship Bottom, with aggravated sexual assault, sexual assault, child endangerment and burglary.

    The indictment alleges that Fernandez-Aguilar entered a home on Long Beach Boulevard on July 3 with the purpose of committing a crime and, once inside, committed sexual assaults on the 9-year-old child.

    Authorities have said that Fernandez-Aguilar, an illegal immigrant, had worked for the family and knew the layout of the house. They said he slipped through an unlocked sliding glass door before making his way to the girl’s bedroom as she and her family slept in the early morning hours.

    Although her assailant warned her to be quiet, the girl started to cry, alerting her parents, authorities said. The parents restrained the intruder until police arrived to arrest him.

    The crime occurred in one of Long Beach Island’s most affluent sections, where privacy and seclusion are a big draw.

    Fernandez-Aguilar is being held in the Ocean County Jail, Toms River.

    If convicted of the most serious charge against him, aggravated sexual assault, he would face between 10 and 20 years in prison. If convicted of sexual assault, he would face five to 10 years in prison.

    In addition, the burglary and child endangerment charges against Fernandez-Aguilar carry potential prison terms of up to five years.

    Study: 1 million sex crimes by illegals

    Homeowners: Don’t Worry, Be Happy, Hire Illegals

    Ron Guhname Compares Ethnic Groups

    http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/

    Viva La Raza Blanco!Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!Deportacion Total!!!

  8. heartlander
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    I have previously said that we need young workers to make up for the children Americans are not having.

    I am going to now propose a counterpoint. With the growing powers of technology, and a healthier older population, we CAN suffice without a very large younger populace, if that’s what we want. Or we can establish large government grants and tax credits to support higher-level American procreation. These are a lot HARDER to deal with than simply importing cheap labor and exporting jobs to cheap-labor countries. I used to hand-load lettuce cartons in fields with Mexican green-card workers. That’s EASILY roboticizable. Cutting lettuce is more complex insofar as it requires identifying ready-to-harvest heads. But it is doable, as is orchard fruit-picking. More expensive at the outset, yes, but why are we paying MIT and other leading universities hundreds of millions of dollars a year to do artificial vision research? If this research needs more money to get more brilliant people to work on this problem, then pay the price.

    It has been proposed that we give Social Security payments not to 65+ year olds, but to the most needful 10% of the population to create a system in which 90% support the 10%. We could titrate this to give partial support to the 11th-25th percent most needful. We could subsidize home-care more, to encourage the elderly’s children to provide for their parents, and many elderly could return the effort by helping to raise kids, and do various household jobs, according to their ability. Who says we need to send skilled retirees to Florida and Arizona, and then to rest homes? WHO DETERMINES THIS PARADIGM?And then says we need to import workers and export jobs?

  9. heartlander
    Posted June 6, 2006 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Answer: people who THINK they are smart, but aren’t creatively smart.

  10. TRACY
    Posted June 7, 2006 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    Use prison labor to pick the damn lettuce. Good enough?

  11. Ian Santiago
    Posted June 7, 2006 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t this special? It seems that a wonderful wetback has killed a nine year old White boy down in Georgia, with an axe. I am sure that he is just a victim of poverty and/or racism and clinton, kennedy and the rest of the traitor-vermin will expend great effort to ensure that this animal and the rest, will one day be out of prison with citizenship and the right to vote!

    Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!!

    Ax Attack Leaves Child Dead; Police Kill Suspect

    POSTED: 5:50 am EDT June 6, 2006UPDATED: 12:36 pm EDT June 7, 2006

    ATLANTA — A Fulton County police officer shot and killed a man after a child was killed with an ax.

    Fulton County police spokesman Gary Syblis says authorities were called to the scene where a nine-year-old child was found outside with an ax in his face yesterday evening.

    Police said the man they killed — 22-year-old Santos Cabrera of Sandy Springs — has a criminal record. For most of the day today, authorities said they were sure Cabrera was the man who struck the child.

    Late today, though, Atlanta Police Lieutenant Dexter White said authorities were unsure and were still investigating.

    The boy, Jordan Paulder, was playing with two other children outside an apartment complex when a car pulled up around 8:20 p.m. yesterday.

    According to a police report, the boy called out to the people in the car to say that something was wrong with one of the vehicle’s wheels.

    The report says one of the occupants of the car then made an obscene gesture. When the boy tried to tell the people he was just trying to help them, a man got out of the car and struck him in the face with an ax.

    While on the scene, an officer approached a man who was acting suspiciously. The man ran across the street to an apartment complex, where he threw a tire at the officer, breaking the officer’s arm.

    Syblis says the man then came at the officer, swinging a piece of metal.

    That’s when the officer opened fire, shooting the suspect three times. The man died at a hospital.

    Paulder also died after being taken to the hospital.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9325968/detail.html

  12. Posted June 7, 2006 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Kudlow is full of it. A study out last month found that the wages of the Calif. lettuce pickers could DOUBLE to 20.00 per hour and the price of a head of lettuce would rise by 10 cents. The labor costs is miniscule compared to what the big chains make or the marketing costs. The cost of the plastic breadwrapper on you bread costs more than the wheat in the bread. The advertising is triple that or more. They need to learn to allocate their costs better. Do you know the BRAND of lettuce you buy…naahhh didnt think so.