“Day in and day out, as the immigration debate boils, the halls of Congress are haunted by the specter of Senate Bill 1200, the failed amnesty legislation of 1986,” The New York Times reported. It noted how that bill, signed into law by President Reagan, was supposed to “grant legal status to illegal immigrants, crack down on employers who hired illegal workers and secure the border once and for all. Instead, fraudulent applications tainted the process, many employers continued their illicit hiring practices, and illegal immigration surged.” Some observers fear that the new reforms passed Thursday by the Senate could have some of the same problems. For example, requiring illegal immigrants to prove how long they have lived in America could produce another black market for fraudulent documents.
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Phillip Brownlee, what are you talking about? Don’t you know they are not criminals? They are here just to improve their life and work hard. They wouldn’t do any thing like that. They are good church going people. Shame on you.
If we are at war then let us be at war! Tighten the security at our borders and sorry illegal Aliens, you are just another causality of war. It is amazing me that so much time and thought is going into this subject when so little time is spent thinking about our own welfare? Our own freedoms, yet there is so much foot dragging about what to do with the borders because it will effect illegal aliens? “Sure we want to stop the terrorists from using what amounts to an open door. But gee wiz think of how hard it will be on those immigrates!”.
“Will new immigration reform be a repeat of failed 1986 law?”
Only if we let it, and it looks like that’s exactly what we’ll do. The rhetoric is great, but when nothing backs it up, why bother listening to it?
These people knowingly broke the law to enter the country. Now we’re going to expect them to be honest, just because we have a new law? Amazing that those who seem to live by untruths (congress), expect only truth from everyone else.
The bill the Senate passed is just plain hideous. The more details I read about it the worse it gets. Here’s to hoping the House of Reps holds fast in their objections.
Illegal Immigrants, if the Senate bill is adopted, will have more rights than a US Citizen.
Practially all of the Senators that voted against it are up for re-election this year. The ones that voted for it are not. They hope that this is forgotten by the American people by the time they are up.
Democrats love this bill because they see the 200+ million new immigrants coming in as Democrat voters.
Joe, I’m a registered Democrat and a full-fledged Liberal, and I want to see the laws enforced. Because of this, I’ve been called a racist by other Dems and Libs. It hasn’t changed my mind.
I also think we need to take a long look at our immigration P&P (policies and procedures). Are they truly working for people who want to enter our country legally? I’ve second-hand stories to the contrary.
RD- I agree. While the issue of the illegal immigrants here now is certainly not trivial, our wide open borders,both north and south, are of paramount importance. Given the war on terror, this must be solved ASAP.
200+ million may be a bit of a stretch Joe. (Or maybe not!)
Don’t put this all on Democrats. I’m as liberal as they come and I am for total deportation of all illegals here and that includes “anchor babies”.
The CONSERVATIVES have the power to do something about this liberals do not. Cons want that cheap union busting labor.
This bill is an outrage. Arlen Specters (R) last minute addition of a provision that forces us to notify and get approval from local Mexican government officials before building a fence is the topper! What a joke.
Desperate people will always do desperate things to survive, if we really want to solve the problem, then we need to look at helping Mexico with it’s problems that drive the citizens across the border. The problems down there are overwhelming, but maybe not impossible. The only workable answer is to address the underlying problems to the whole issue.
The problem Damoon, is that the Mexican government from the President down to the lowest minor functionary is corrupt. There is graft and bribery and blackmail and you name a form of corruption and the Mexican government is rife with it.
There are 2 ways we can help the Mexicans with the root of their misery, their government. We could basically invade Mexico and engage in nation building as we are in Iraq. Or we can send the Mexican refugess home and let them become revolutionaries to change their government.
Neither is going to happen. There are too many Americans that have a stake in exploiting the Mexican peoples misery. That their actions will eventually bring Americans misery does not bother them either.
We will not re_make Mexico. It’s gonna re-make us. And not for the better.
JR- I think you are right. Given the corruption , the abundant natural resouces, and the population, they have everything to succeed. The reality is that it will probably require some form of revolution to occurr.And therein is our immigration problem.
Welcome to the “new America” where treason is now called “comprehensive immigration reform”! Stock up on guns, ammo, food, water and rope because things are going to get very interesting in the next couple of years.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!!Deportacion Total!!!!
Mexico is corrupt, because that what a century of leftist rule does to a country.
Joe, I notice it didnt take the republicans (rightist) near that long to corrupt our country.
I say let the Mexicans stay. Maybe they’ll contribute enought to Social Security to keep it solvent for another 100 years or so.
“Mexico is corrupt, because that what a century of leftist rule does to a country.”
Joe, I’d like to see something to back that statement up. Otherwise, it’s just another of your bone-head opinions.
Anyone expecting ss to be around, even in antoher ten years is living in a fantasyland.
V.L.R.B!!!
Having lived in San Diego for many years, and doing a lot of traveling in Mexico, I can tell you some horror stories about corruption down south.
I had a friend who, along with a Mexican partner (Americans are not allowed by law to own businesses by themselves. They must have a Mexican partner, and can only own 49% of the business) owned a tourist business. It was thriving because of the growing tourist and commercial ventures in Cabo San Lucas. My friend was getting on in years and wanted to retire. He sold his part of the business to his Mexican partner and put the money in a Mexican bank as per Mexican law.
The Mexican government was afraid he was going to transfer the money ( over 1 million dollars american) to a stateside bank, so they confiscated all of it. Literally stole his money. He tried to get the American embassy involved, and they basically said tough shit.
I knew some other people who bought condos in an enclave past Encinada, Baja California. They spent anywhere from 30 thou to 50 thou on the condos. Three years later, the Baja Government confiscated those. They said the condos were on Mexican property, and the Americans had no right being there, so they kicked them out. Just another rip off by a crooked political system.
This is what faces us in trying to cooperate with any of the Mexican governments. The ridiculous rider on the bill saying we must consult with the Mexican government prior to erecting any fence along the border is a slap in the face to all Americans. This whole charade the government is trying to pass off as a comprehensive immigration bill does nothing to correct the problem and panders only to business interests, but that is what to be expected from the whole corrupt congress and white house. Protecting the American people is the last thing on their minds.
NO INCUMBANTS!!!
Joe Williams you have made enough bone headed statements in your posts this last year to outbush bush. This latest takes the cake!
Mexico does not now nor has it ever had a leftist government. It is more of a government that caters to who has the most money. You know, sorta like what WE are headed toward.
ANOTHER reason the powers that be in the US do not want the Mexicans to be sent home and subsequently revolt is precisely BECAUSE the most likely outcome is a socialist government. And we can’t have folks getting ideas so close to the Corporate States of America.
XXX I do not care if their being here MIGHT address Social Security. It IS subverting wages and working conditions for Americans.
Total deportation! Let Mexico fix itself instead of breaking us.
“Illegal Immigrants, if the Senate bill is adopted, will have more rights than a US Citizen.”
Uh, wanna explain THAT one joe? How?
Boneheaded again.
Heheheheh. And did I mention….
That the RIGHTIST republicans control both houses in washington, both houses in topeka AND the presidency?
SO…who is not fixing the problem while they have the majority?
That’s right. The RIGHTIST REPUBLICANS apparantly never met an illegal they didnt want to grant citizenship.
So joe, how ya gonna blame this on the dems when this is the preznit’s plan. And isnt he a way rightist republican?
heheh. But I am sure, somehow, it is clinton’s fault. heheheheheheh
…and wasnt the last immigration reform presided over by non other than the rightist of the rightists, the republican nominee for sainthood. St. Ronald Reagan?
heheh. so much for this being a leftist problem. The people who sponsor these programs are ALL rightist republicans.
spin, spin, spin THAT one away!
Most foreign governments operate like Mexico, any country can conficate property if it wants to. I have a friend who lived in Africa for 8 yrs and had to leave everything behind in order to leave the country. We live in a bubble here and act shocked that other countries don’t operate the same way we do. Our government is corrupt also, but in a different way, much more insidious and under the table.I think if we deported all illegal immigrants and secured the borders adequately, then Mexico would be forced to deal with it’s problems and the current government would be in serious trouble. By enabling illegals to become citizens does nothing to force Mexico to deal with it’s problems and only gives the green light for more people to cross the border. To have a workable plan, we have to force Mexico to be accountable, because it’s their government that has created this situation in the first pace.
I have a cousin who was born in Beirut, Lebanon, where his father was teaching at the time. When the family was leaving, about the time of the bombing of the hotels, I think, the Lebanese Govt. would not allow the boy to leave. They said he was a Lebanese citizen because he was born there. The family won the argument, but it just goes to show that the laws in countries and how they are enacted differ greatly.
A win win situation..Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border, take the dirt and raise the levees in New Orleans, and then put the Florida alligators into the border moat!.Any other problems you would like for me to solve?
If only they had done it before your grandparents came over, RAngle.
Too late now. We’re stuck with you.
I don’t understand why the laws on the books haven’t been enforced : by Reagan, by Clinton, or by Bush.
Where were these clowns??Their collective failure is the resultant of today’s problem.