Comments on: Isn’t everyone a ‘values voter’? http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/ The Wichita Eagle Editorial Department Blog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:30:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: kansassam http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45108 kansassam Wed, 24 May 2006 11:04:03 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45108 RD..I don't know about John, but personally, I find some bodies alot more offensive than others.... lol!!!Actually... they believe that Jesus only existed in spirit because a human body would be too evil. Christians believe that the body is "the temple of the living God". RD..I don’t know about John, but personally, I find some bodies alot more offensive than others…. lol!!!Actually… they believe that Jesus only existed in spirit because a human body would be too evil. Christians believe that the body is “the temple of the living God”.

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45107 RD Tue, 23 May 2006 23:42:11 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45107 I see, kansassam. So would John Ashcroft qualify? I mean, the man went so far as to cover offending statues with curtains. Sounds like someone who believes the body is dirty and evil, doesn't it? I see, kansassam. So would John Ashcroft qualify? I mean, the man went so far as to cover offending statues with curtains. Sounds like someone who believes the body is dirty and evil, doesn’t it?

]]> By: kansassam http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45106 kansassam Tue, 23 May 2006 18:07:39 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45106 JR, RD..You won't find any of that junk in the Bible because it came from the "Gnostic" writings of the 2nd & 3rd centuries. The Gnostics believed the body was dirty and evil, so they pretty much "devalued" everybody! JR, RD..You won’t find any of that junk in the Bible because it came from the “Gnostic” writings of the 2nd & 3rd centuries. The Gnostics believed the body was dirty and evil, so they pretty much “devalued” everybody!

]]> By: CrusaderX http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45105 CrusaderX Mon, 22 May 2006 18:57:09 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45105 JR,How does Judaism or Christianity "devalue" femininity? Are the feminists here mad that we don't worship female godesses? fiddlesticks! JR,How does Judaism or Christianity “devalue” femininity? Are the feminists here mad that we don’t worship female godesses?

fiddlesticks!

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45104 RD Mon, 22 May 2006 18:22:25 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45104 Yeah, JR, I still get the chuckles over it. It's become sort of a running joke in my family of all females (except for the 2-year-old grandson, poor kid.) We love springing it on people. Oh, we are wicked. ;) Yeah, JR, I still get the chuckles over it. It’s become sort of a running joke in my family of all females (except for the 2-year-old grandson, poor kid.) We love springing it on people. Oh, we are wicked. ;)

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45103 RD Mon, 22 May 2006 18:20:25 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45103 Well, Nathan, the Gods were a bit, um, warped. :) Since I, too, checked several Bible versions and didn't see Lilith mentioned, I obviously won't argue the point. As for that F, I'll check it out if I have some spare time. I admit I should've checked the versions first before posting it. Well, Nathan, the Gods were a bit, um, warped. :)

Since I, too, checked several Bible versions and didn’t see Lilith mentioned, I obviously won’t argue the point. As for that F, I’ll check it out if I have some spare time. I admit I should’ve checked the versions first before posting it.

]]> By: J R http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45102 J R Mon, 22 May 2006 04:37:06 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45102 should be BEASTIALITY. But "bestiality" may be also appropriate. should be BEASTIALITY. But “bestiality” may be also appropriate.

]]> By: J R http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45101 J R Mon, 22 May 2006 04:30:19 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45101 RD I will have to research Lilith further. I could have SO much fun with that link you posted! The stuff about how Adam "knew" the animals..... That was before "the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil" right? So that would be God being ok with "innocent" bestiality I guess! This is too easy to run with. I am mindful of the more even minded among the faithful so I'll leave it be....for now. What say you on the pious right? Is it a Christian "value" to diminish, dirty and devalue the feminine? RD

I will have to research Lilith further.

I could have SO much fun with that link you posted!

The stuff about how Adam “knew” the animals…..

That was before “the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil” right?

So that would be God being ok with “innocent” bestiality I guess!

This is too easy to run with. I am mindful of the more even minded among the faithful so I’ll leave it be….for now.

What say you on the pious right? Is it a Christian “value” to diminish, dirty and devalue the feminine?

]]> By: CrusaderX http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45100 CrusaderX Mon, 22 May 2006 04:14:32 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45100 The "f" following the passage probably means fraud, fake, or forgery, since that passage does not exist in the entire book of Isaiah. The fact of female Goddesses is not lost on me especially the worship of the godesses Isis the Egyptian wife goddess of Osiris, Ishtar a.k.a Ashtaroth of the Babylonians. I suspect that the reason such worship of said goddesses were outlawed was because those worshippers held practices such as ritualistic prostitution (temple prostitutes) that went along with their fertility rites which were unfortunately enough for the ancient Israelites had taken to practice in the times of the corrupt king Manasseh. This was of course, contrary to the Mosaic law and later stopped by the reformations that followed. The “f” following the passage probably means fraud, fake, or forgery, since that passage does not exist in the entire book of Isaiah. The fact of female Goddesses is not lost on me especially the worship of the godesses Isis the Egyptian wife goddess of Osiris, Ishtar a.k.a Ashtaroth of the Babylonians. I suspect that the reason such worship of said goddesses were outlawed was because those worshippers held practices such as ritualistic prostitution (temple prostitutes) that went along with their fertility rites which were unfortunately enough for the ancient Israelites had taken to practice in the times of the corrupt king Manasseh. This was of course, contrary to the Mosaic law and later stopped by the reformations that followed.

]]> By: Nathan http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45099 Nathan Mon, 22 May 2006 03:47:21 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45099 I am looking in my Bible and lilith is not in that verse. I looked in many different translations and found no Lilith. I am looking in my Bible and lilith is not in that verse.

I looked in many different translations and found no Lilith.

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45098 RD Mon, 22 May 2006 01:55:42 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45098 JR, there's quite a bit on the Net about Lilith. Just google "Lilith Myth." A lot of differing opinions on the origin of it. Is it "true?" I have no idea, but I did get a laugh out of it the first time I read it. The part about Adam laying with animals conjured up some really funny mental images. Oh, and I checked several Bible versions online (at Bible Gateway) of that Isaiah passage and didn't see Lilith mentioned. Also did a search for the word Lilith and came up with nothing. Then again, I don't know what that "f" after the book and verse means. Maybe Nathan does? JR, there’s quite a bit on the Net about Lilith. Just google “Lilith Myth.” A lot of differing opinions on the origin of it. Is it “true?” I have no idea, but I did get a laugh out of it the first time I read it. The part about Adam laying with animals conjured up some really funny mental images.

Oh, and I checked several Bible versions online (at Bible Gateway) of that Isaiah passage and didn’t see Lilith mentioned. Also did a search for the word Lilith and came up with nothing. Then again, I don’t know what that “f” after the book and verse means. Maybe Nathan does?

]]> By: J R http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45097 J R Mon, 22 May 2006 01:37:45 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45097 Very informative the Lilith post RD. Thank you. I'd been wanting to learn more about that. Sigh......just another "scence" that didn't make the editors cut. The director, if any, remains unheard from. It has always been know that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Little wonder men stayed and restrained and "made unclean" that "hand" real early on! Very informative the Lilith post RD. Thank you. I’d been wanting to learn more about that.

Sigh……just another “scence” that didn’t make the editors cut. The director, if any, remains unheard from.

It has always been know that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Little wonder men stayed and restrained and “made unclean” that “hand” real early on!

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45096 RD Mon, 22 May 2006 01:25:22 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45096 CruX, I think the Lilith Myth clearly shows the Pagan origins of both Judaism and Christianity. Looking deeper, to me it shows how the then new monotheistic religions wanted females to be believed as weaker, and if they were as strong as men, they were cast out. Keep in mind that in polytheist religions, such as most Pagan religions, Goddesses are worshipped alongside the Gods. Human females of that time were held in high esteem for their reproductive ability (pregnancy & childbearing) and their healing abilities. CruX,

I think the Lilith Myth clearly shows the Pagan origins of both Judaism and Christianity.

Looking deeper, to me it shows how the then new monotheistic religions wanted females to be believed as weaker, and if they were as strong as men, they were cast out.

Keep in mind that in polytheist religions, such as most Pagan religions, Goddesses are worshipped alongside the Gods. Human females of that time were held in high esteem for their reproductive ability (pregnancy & childbearing) and their healing abilities.

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45095 RD Mon, 22 May 2006 01:10:07 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45095 Wildcats shall meet with hyenas,goat-demons shall call to each other;there too Lilith shall repose,and find a place to rest.There shall the owl nestand lay and hatch and brood in its shadow Isaiah 34:14f Wildcats shall meet with hyenas,goat-demons shall call to each other;there too Lilith shall repose,and find a place to rest.There shall the owl nestand lay and hatch and brood in its shadow

Isaiah 34:14f

]]> By: CrusaderX http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45094 CrusaderX Sun, 21 May 2006 21:22:47 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45094 Wow. I've never read such finer hooey than that. Wow. I’ve never read such finer hooey than that.

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45093 RD Sun, 21 May 2006 20:02:02 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45093 XXX, ha ha ha! Lilith was definitely an assertive woman. CruX, here's a link for you. <a href="http://gnosis.org/lilith.htm" rel="nofollow">http://gnosis.org/lilith.htm</a> XXX, ha ha ha! Lilith was definitely an assertive woman.

CruX, here’s a link for you.

http://gnosis.org/lilith.htm

]]> By: CrusaderX http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45092 CrusaderX Sun, 21 May 2006 01:19:44 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45092 I havent the slightest idea of what the hell you're talking about RD, but please I'm all ears! I havent the slightest idea of what the hell you’re talking about RD, but please I’m all ears!

]]> By: XXX http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45091 XXX Sat, 20 May 2006 20:59:02 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45091 RD, it's been years since I heard anybody speak the name of Lilith. I did a search to refresh my memory. The discription of her supposed relationship with Adam makes her sound like my ex-wife. (Bossy overbearing demon harpie) RD, it’s been years since I heard anybody speak the name of Lilith. I did a search to refresh my memory. The discription of her supposed relationship with Adam makes her sound like my ex-wife. (Bossy overbearing demon harpie)

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45090 RD Sat, 20 May 2006 20:35:03 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45090 CruX, you don't know about Lilith? Hmmmm... Tell ya what. Tomorrow, after my daughter's wedding tonight, I'll tell you and post a link. Hint: Even wasn't Adam's first. :0 CruX, you don’t know about Lilith? Hmmmm…

Tell ya what. Tomorrow, after my daughter’s wedding tonight, I’ll tell you and post a link.

Hint: Even wasn’t Adam’s first. :0

]]> By: CrusaderX http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45089 CrusaderX Sat, 20 May 2006 17:02:15 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45089 Lilith!? Lilith!?

]]> By: Nathan http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45088 Nathan Sat, 20 May 2006 16:59:36 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45088 RD, I love you too, I just don't agree with you either. RD,

I love you too, I just don’t agree with you either.

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45087 RD Sat, 20 May 2006 16:33:28 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45087 "I am not linking homosexuality to pedophilia." Only covertly, Nathan, but the inference is there by mentioning it. We love ya, Nathan. We just don't happen to agree with you. “I am not linking homosexuality to pedophilia.”

Only covertly, Nathan, but the inference is there by mentioning it.

We love ya, Nathan. We just don’t happen to agree with you.

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45086 RD Sat, 20 May 2006 16:30:42 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45086 Hey, CruX, what about Lilith? Hey, CruX, what about Lilith?

]]> By: RD http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45085 RD Sat, 20 May 2006 16:29:32 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45085 Nathan, if the sin of homosexuality is so big, why isn't it mentioned in the 10 Commandments? All the biggies are. And as a Marine Reservist, I'm sure you've worked on the Sabbath. Seems to me that IS one of the Commandments. Nathan, if the sin of homosexuality is so big, why isn’t it mentioned in the 10 Commandments? All the biggies are.

And as a Marine Reservist, I’m sure you’ve worked on the Sabbath. Seems to me that IS one of the Commandments.

]]> By: Nathan http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_a/#comment-45084 Nathan Sat, 20 May 2006 16:12:56 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/05/isnt_everyone_ahtml/#comment-45084 KFG, It is no secret. Homosexuality is a sin. Has been since the beginning. KFG,

It is no secret. Homosexuality is a sin. Has been since the beginning.

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