For what it’s worth: The Republican National Committee is going on the offensive on gas prices and Democratic policies. It created a "gas calculator" that purports to determine, based on your car make and model and how many miles you typically drive, how much Democratic energy policy is costing you.
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This question is crazy.
Bush has removed all restrains from the Jews and they are on a insane BTK styled murdering rampage in the Middle East.
For God’s sake they’re bombing Lebanon’s civilians and murdering helpless Palestinians everyday { after Rice/Bush had Syria remove its protective Army from Lebanon }.
The Republicans can attempt to create all the diversion or distraction to draw your attention away from the fact that Bush gave Israel nuclear-tipped penetrator bombs to knock-out Iran’s defenses and yesterday threaten to unleash 200 atomic bombs on the Iranian civilian population.
The Israeli Zionist-Jews are committing the most heinous war-crimes, even worse than Adolph Hitler ever dreamed of, on the helpless Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank.
Any Threat to destroy the world’s crude oil supply translates to the pump price for gasoline.
With a hellish war brought-on by the lunatic Jews, NO oil can be shipped out of the Middle East, even from Saudi Arabia.
No oil, as in NO OIL.
Who are these crazy nutcase G-D Republicans trying to kid.
A combination of Captain Quieg and Dr. Strangelove is in the White House, now how do we get him out of there?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/19/9382/40069
Not only is Bush not bringing the troops home, He is defying us and sent an additional 3500 troops there today.
Bush does not represent the American People.
The US bombing and troops shooting Iraqis is the cause of almost all the deaths taking place.
Iraqis are killing their traitors who throw-in with the Americans. That’s why those car-bombs are killing so many of those Iraqis lined-up to joint the American orchestrated Army.
If we leave, that violence, mostly caused by our presence will stop.
They can work things out.
The problem is that those Jews running Israel don’t want them to work thing-out.
Of course Democrats always want to raise taxes. This will increase the cost of gas. DUH!
China is growing like a weed. They are out of the rice patties and onto the freeways. 10,000 new cars are put on the highways of China each DAY! Why do you think they are so aggressive in getting gas contracts with Nigeria, Sedan, Venezuela, Iran and anyone else that has gas or oil?
Democrats will always block drilling in Alaska or offshore. Democrats keep the United States dependent on foreign oil. The environmentalist nuts don’t mind drilling in Iran but object to drilling in the United States. When the environmentalist quit using cars and air conditioning I will believe they are not just anti-capitalist.
So yes the Democrats are costing you money at the pump!
And SO in addition to SO many nics SO is alSO an easily identified listener to Hannity or Rush or boths since just about everything SO said is straight outta their arses.
Realiy check. Oil is fininte! We should be doing everything to encourage getting away from it. If that takes gas at 10 dollars a gallon to get peoples attention on the problem let me channel bush “Bring it on!”
Such whining. One wonders if Republicans had to face real adversity like say gas rationing as in WW2 , what would they do? Stamp their widdle feet and piss and moan that it was Democrats fault?
Why is either party still kicking a dead horse?
Gasoline is and should be phased out as our primary source. Whatever money, time and energy we spend on this should be devoted to alternatives for gasoline.
Right on JR.
JR,
You will sit here and call people who complain about gas prices whiners and yet you think paying 5 dollars for a Riverfest is too much?
Oil is the blood of our economy. Yes it is finite, but we still have enough of the stuff to last for over another centry.
While we are developing alternatives it is better to go ahead and drill for more oil and build more refineries.
A hundred years ain’t very damn long. Money would be better spent on other fuel sources.
Our economy is oil based now. And all the high-minded ideas won’t stop the economy from crashing without removing the threat to crude oil now.
10 dollar gasoline would shut down this economy right now.
The entire US would look like that line of cars coming from Galveston { not moving }.
You ought to know what you’re talking about before running-off at the mouth. This is serous stuff.
Tracy,
We went from the horse and buggy to the cars we have today in less than 100 years.
Get some perspective.
We have a problem now with the cost of oil NOW and making it more expensive isn’t going to help.
By the way, what do you drive Tracy? I know what JR drives. It isn’t any of the more fuel efficient hybrids or electric cars either.
Typical liberal I will suspect. Driving around in your SUV’s flying in your private jets while preaching about oil…
Just pulling plastics out of the US economy right now would cause it to crash. Plastics are made from crude oil.
The US economy is inter-dependent, but connected by the by-products of crude oil.
That’s why ethanol is too expensive to produce, doesn’t deliver enough energy to replace gasoline { and has other problems }.
Everything is finite. Ethanol isn’t the enviromentialist saviour, although they say it is. We are slowly gaining technology in hydrogen, but that is still way down the line.
There is plenty of oil, natural gas, and coal, but it’s an enviromentialist nightmare and nuclear is even worse although with heavy regulation, liability, and contant law suits, and everybody crying NIMBY we will be paying high prices for energy for a long time. THANKS Democrats.
IF you think high prices will curb demand and that is what you want, then I don’t want to hear a one peep of complaint about high gas prices. You are getting what you want.
1)I’m not complaining about high gas prices.2)I’m not a typical liberal by your definition. My car is probably older than you Nathan.3)There’s nothing wrong with my perspective, it’s just different than yours.
Tried it and it looks pretty silly. It is the Republicans, not the Democrats, who control the executive and Congress RIGHT NOW, and set all national energy policies. So the Republicans are trying to pull the usual slight of hand to draw attention from their own (in)actions. Bush promised, at the start of his first term, the development of alternative sources for fuel–but as usual it has been all rhetoric.
Greg you are correct. The Bushies are just propping up another straw man for everyone to fight with.
The dangerous part
Bush wants to conquer Iraq, that’s why he’s so adamant about “staying the Course.”
This will put him in position to attack Iran.
The Jews want Iran is a position to be bombed everyday and, like the Palestinians, have no defenses.
This is all part of the Jewish conquest of the Middle East, as laid-out by PNAC. Bush gave a map to Ariel Sharon showing Israel stretching all the way from the Nile River to the Euphrates River, calling it “Greater Israel.”
If Bush was sane and representing the United States instead of Israel, our soldiers would be home now, never having attacked Iraq.
Bush won’t fire Rumsfeld as he is one of the authors of PNAC.
We’re being “HAD.”
This isn’t a liberal/conservative thing. It’s America verses Zionist Israel.
BTW, our Gold is being syphoned out of Ft. Knox.
Crude oil just spiked another 3 dollars.
What do the American people want?
They want our National Parks kept unspoiled.
So it’s not Democrats who are keeping the oil drillers out of ANWR, it’s the will of the American people.
Besides, the oil in ANWR is only enough for a few months of US consumption . . . not a major factor.
And last but not least, these environmental protections have been in place since oil was at 18 dollars a barrel. Why didn’t they raise prices drastically then?
No, the high gas prices we enjoy today are because of Dick Cheney’s secret meetings with energy policy cronies: meetings that included the recently convicted criminal Ken Lay of Enron.
Shifting blame to others is what Republicans do so very well . . . look at how the Bush-backers continue to claim CLINTON caused 9-11 when it was Bush who spent the previous month on VACATION playing golf and fishing.
But after 5 1/2 years of unobstructed Republican rule, the American people just aren’t buying it anymore.
When a single person takes a vacation in ANWR, you let me know Lefty.
Oh, come on left.
Punch the strawman. Not the guys who propped him up. That’s the plan.
So if you don’t vacation there, who cares right?
The good thing about 70-80 dollar a barrel oil is that it makes all kinds of other energies cost-effective.
For instance, Venezula is sitting on as much oil as Saudi Arabia, but it’s a tar oil type, much more costly to extract and refine.
In the past, every time oil prices got so high that other forms of oil became competative, Saudi Arabia would open the spigots and drive costs down to where they had a near-monopoly.
Now demand is too high for them to do that anymore, so the possibility of alternative energy sources finally has an economic chance.
LH
Who will have any money to buy your high-priced oil after their jobs disappear.
{ Remember oil-based economy? }
Plastics?
Why the big ruckus about a frozen wasteland? Let ‘em drill it, if nothing else to shut them up.
Funny that the enviromentalist don’t care that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezula, Cuba, and Mexico keep on drilling for oil, but the USA is forbidden.
Alaska is beautiful. A fair amount of it is the way God made it, still.Some people think, “Let’s make it as ugly as Kansas. We don’t understand natural beauty. We’re esthetically challenged.” That’s sad. Especially since ANWR would provide less than 3% of our energy needs for a mere 20 years, so the land would be trashed without any significant benefit in trade. (Actually, most of the oil would be shipped to Asia, as well.)
The oil companies pulled this stunt in 1973 with the first phony “oil crisis” to get Alaskan oil fields opened up, then Exxon ruined Prince William Sound with its drunken tanker captain. We don’t really need a replay. We don’t need a replay of the California 1969 offshore-terminal oil leak whose ruination of more than 60 miles of beaches is still present nearly forty years later in little tar balls that stick to people’s shoes and feet. Floridians are SMART. They don’t want their beautiful beaches ruined, their wildlife and fisheries decimated, nor their vibrant tourism industry trashed.
Ah the lying Prices are at it again.
“I know what JR drives. It isn’t any of the more fuel efficient hybrids or electric cars either.Typical liberal I will suspect. Driving around in your SUV’s”
No I don’t drive a hybrid or electric. I can’t afford one because their price is kept artificially high to discourage getting away from petroleum. One US auto manufacturer, (Ford I think) even RECALLED all of it’s electrical vehicles though there was nothing wrong with them. This against the wishes of the folks driving them.
I DO drive a small, light, maunual transmission no power steering windows,seats,mirrors 12 year old truck which I have done my very best to get the best mileage out of. (About 30 mpg) It seats 3 if one of the 3 is a very small child. I HAVE and continue to investigate possibly converting it to electric or alternative fuel.Please don’t lie about me Nathan. I’ll afford you the same.
And as to this drill drill drill nonsense in the face of very limited supply; that would be akin to hurrying to eat all the food in your house because it is running out!
Oil is in plastics? Let’s use less plastic! America could do with a little less to throw away.
Crash the economy? Maybe that’s what it will take! People usually do not get serious about addressing a problem until THEY HAVE TO. I’d say it’s better to deal with the side effects NOW while we still have a little of the stuff left.
I guess the real surprise is that none of the drill shill crowd has mentioned the idea of eliminating taxes on gas to lower the cost. That is the favorite of the talk radio crowd. That WOULD settle the problem …..eventually. Those taxes build the roads. No roads no need for gas!
Sherwood Boehlert, the moderate Republican who will retire this fall, observed on the floor of the House last week that despite polls showing conservation as the “preferred option” among Americans worried about high gas prices and oil dependency, “this Congress has not voted on a single conservation measure since gasoline hit $3 a gallon.” At which point his colleagues voted (yet again) to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling in the misguided but apparently unshakable belief that a nation that uses one-quarter of the world’s oil while possessing 3 percent of its reserves can drill its way to lower prices.
Dear JR,
You seem to have a prblem with the language. Nathan’s statement about the SUV’s was a general statement directed at Tracy. Hisa statement about you was correct.
Now, just so I’m not mistaken, am I one of the “lying Prices”? If so, my little language challenged liberal, what pray tell, lies are you referring to?
By the way, how’s that old truck you drive on the environment?
Hank
“Yes it is finite, but we still have enough of the stuff to last for over another centry.”
Oh? That is not what geologists I know in the industry tell me.
Oh well, I better go get in my private jet and fly to my SUV.
Old vehicles represent an interesting dilemma. They are typically dirtier and less efficient than newer technology but there is a significant environmental cost to replacement (as well as a financial cost). So, it is usually a balancing act.
One thing that I have seen done is to allow certain industries in Los Angeles buy old vehicles to gain pollution credits. Interesting idea.
What, you expect relief from high gas prices? It’s not going to happen. Blame Republicans or Democrats all you want, but if we’re going to point the finger, it needs to be pointed right at us. Alternate fuels? Americans don’t want alternate fuel, they want Hummers. Gas efficiency? Not in the 4000 pound cars and trucks we insist on buying. Detroit sells us what we want, not what’s good for us. The foriegners do a little better, but not much. Politicians sold out to the oil companies? You elected and keep electing the pricks. The Vice President had a secret meeting with the oil companies? Doesn’t seem to be a law against it and again, he was elected.If you want to make a difference, get off your lazy butt and install solar panels. Don’t wait for a tax break, cause that ain’t gonna happen. Replace your lighting with flourescents. Pack the attic with insulation. And try walking once in a while instead of driving everywhere. It’ll be good for you.Do something besides whine.
Anything except the truth.
JR,
There is still plenty of oil for now. There is not any reason to not drill for more other than the liberals and environmentalists.
We can’t have nuclear power, we can’t drill for more oil…
Even if we could afford to plaster wind mills on every square acre of this coutry, solor panels on top of every home… the time to do it and cost effiency would be atrocious!
What is the liberal solution? Not only do liberals not care to help the problem they actively block almost any measure to help it. All the while half of you think we should be paying 10 dollars a gallon for gas.
The democratic party = the party with no solutions only complaints.
As long as I can afford gas I will not care about all the Gore Liberal BS. When I, and most of America, wants to get to the lake without curtailing eating it will happen. We will drill anywhere. Ethenal will be 85% of each gallon of fuel or more. Fret not little liberals. Supply and Demand will take care of it.
“Now, just so I’m not mistaken, am I one of the “lying Prices”? If so, my little language challenged liberal, what pray tell, lies are you referring to?”
From the recent past…**********************************To put my crimes in perspective let’s take JR for example. Seems to be a rather innocuous, harmless little man. A concerned vocal citizen. However, let’s see how harmless he really is! While he gleefully points out that I’m a felon for carrying a gun, he also admits to occasional drug use. The bedwetting liberals seem to just let that pass, however, his recreational drug use and the drug culture in America is responsible for more deaths than honest citizens like me carrying a gun.Posted by: Hank Price | May 02, 2006 at 11:45 AM
Mr Price?Shortly after your second to last post, I emailed you. I advised you that your post as to my recreational drug use”Take J R”….”he has admitted to occasional drug use”was an outright lie and invited you to prove otherwise.Posted by: J R | May 02, 2006 at 10:53 PM**********************************
I wonder why it is that conservatives have so memory problems? For whatever reason, I will not insinuate that it is the result of bad habits, because I don’t know that for sure, and to say that their memory problems derive from bad habits would be dishonest and down right slanderous/libelous.
Hope that helps with your question and memory difficulties.
The liberal solution is
1. in the near-term, develop alternative energy, the ones that Reagan-Bush-Bush blocked until suddenly BushJr. got religion in the last State of the Union Address (ethanol). You can make fun of wind power all you want, but this could be a major money-maker for Kansas, the Saudi Arabia of wind.
2. in the near-term, develop “clean coal” technologies. Gasoline made from coal is cleaner than that made from oil. The US has plenty of coal.
3. in the long-term, develop nuclear fusion technology. We should have had it by now if there had been a real push for it. With nuclear fusion, not only do you not produce radioactive materials, but you can “burn up” the spent radioactive materials from fission reactors.
It looks to me like the Republicans are the ones with no ideas–just keep doing what hasn’t worked all that well in the past . . .
DD,
I do believe that my father has apologized both in public and in private for that statement.
It was not made in Malice. My father mistakingly thought JR had admitted to using drugs in a previous thread.
I suppose in your little world though it is enough to convict him of being nothing more than a liar.
If that is the case I suppose Ben is nothing more than a liar too for the mistake he made about the Red Cross.
Mistakes happen and at least my father was honest and humble enough to admit it.
And BTW, it’s not environmentalist or Democrats that have caused oil to spike–
it’s obviously the failed war in Iraq. Iraq is pumping much less oil now than before we invaded.
It’s not rocket science.
Okay, fine, Nathan.
And when is Rush Limbaugh going to apologize for being a junkie?
Lefthook,
Perhaps you should look at the entire world when looking at oil prices.
You might find a country called Nigeria there.
You might also find countries like Venezuela too.
There are more factors to the price of oil than Iraq.
Nathan:I believe you are correct about your father apologizing. Mistakes do happen. But making a mistake about the Red Cross or when H.Clinton was going to have to run for the senate vs. calling someone a drug user seems to me “in my little world” a mistake of a different order of magnitude. Call me old fashioned, but before I srart slandering someone’s reputation, I think it is a good idea to have your facts straight and sometimes an “oops, sorry I had I had a mistaken recollection”, is insufficient for the error made.
You and your dad demonstrate your characters here every day; I don’t need to help you.
I agree, DD.
Just because Hank has admitted that he once experimented with picking up men in bathrooms and having anonymous sex with them is no reason to ridicule him with it on the WEBlog.
Oh, wait, Hank didn’t admit that. There’s no evidence that Hank was once a promiscuous homosexual.
I apologize. My bad.
DD,
LOL… Mistakes happen? Just like your blatant attempt to take out of context what my father did to try and make him look like a liar when he is not?
Why don’t you go back to ignoring us. I think I liked you better then. If you ever did… it seemed like you just responded to us indirectly instead.
DD,
Please tell me something about my fathers Character!
You see his political opinions on a blog and met him for 30 mins at a picnic.
If you want to imply something about his Character, just have the balls to actually say it.
Dear DD,
There is a big difference between a mistake and a lie. I’d like to say that its not really any of your business, but it was sort of public.
I did apologize for my mistake, and although that doesn’t really make it right, JR did accept my apology. Done deal.
Now, you have called me some rather foul names, and I wonder why you seem to still have your panties in a wad over it. You’ve said more than once that you were just going to ignore me. Please do, or be civil.
I’ve refrained from taking shots at you, but rest assured I’m not going to let a bunch of liberals with their profane name calling, their cheap insinuations and their inability to discuss issues important to our country in a logical civil manner run me off this BLOG.
This BLOG belongs to the public because of the good graces of the WE. I try not to abuse it with profane language and personnal attacks. I’m week. Sometimes I post things that I regret. I guess being called a Nazi and compared to Hitler because I’m a conservative wears on me more than I care to admit. I suppose that being called stupid because of my faith bothers me more than I admit. Probably being compared to Phelps because I’m a Christian is just the price one has to pay for daring to have an opinion that clashes with the intellectually superior, loving, caring, liberals on this BLOG.
So, I’m not sure exactly why you feel so threatened by me, but rest assured, the more personal your attacks are the less I care about the one or two valid opinions you bring to the discussion.
I still love ya.
Hank
Dad, I want to see what it is about your Character DD has to say.
Lets see if he has the balls to say something instead of just implying it.
Hi!
Sorry I’m late. I DID watch this battle evolve but did not want to join it til my son was in bed.Thanks DD and Left for getting my back.
Where to start….
“Lying Prices” Yup you got me right…but about half the meaning. Hank did lie about me.”It was not made in Malice.”
Oh yeah it was. He was on the losing end of an arguement with about 4 other posters and he made a baseless charge against me instead of addressing presented facts.
Apologies…yada yada done deal. (I’m tired of scrolling)I did accept the apology and frankly wished THAT whole matter would go away. Forgiveness? No. Not yet anyway. Insults? Attacks? Sure that is what blogging is…at least here. But I am damned slow to publicly personally defame someone. I require the same and have said so.of them.Lying Prices is more directed at another thread where Hank proudly admitted being on board and contributing to the Swift Boat Veterans for…..”Truth” When you support liars, I call that guilt by association. It is directed here at Nathan’s not so indirect charge of hypocrisy on me. “I know what JR drives…..” This statement was made to imply that having met me, I was something different than what I post.
I’ve already posted as to what I drive. The record will also show that at the meetup where Nathan “saw what I drive”, I drove more than 15 miles to attend. At the last meetup, I purposely tried to make it as central as possible to anyone who wanted to attend.
See a pattern developing here? Two instances of direct personal attack. Not insinuations. Not posting things that might make the shoe appear to fit a poster. Direct named personal attack presuming to use my posts or actually meeting me as evidence.
No doubt the battle has evolved while I typed this and tried to get my kid to sleep. I do hate not directly posting the thread.
Nathan,You are obsessed with balls; makes me worry about you boy.
Hank,I am not threatened by you, and neither do I love you. So those disingenuous closings can end as far as I am concerned. I have never been uncivil to you.
I do think, and I think any reasonable person would say, that making a “mistake” of accusing someone of being a drug abuser and a danger to the safety of others because of that, is in a different category of “mistaken recollections”. It would be almost akin to saying “sorry for calling you a child molester, I thought I remembered that you were one”. No decent person would do anything like the forgoing, OR call someone a drug user without very careful preparation and research — surely that is not too hard for you guys to grasp.
Hank - it is your civility I am asking for. You and Nathan show great deficits in your ability to do this. I can provide many examples, but will not.
You both know what I am talking about - and “please don’t get your panties in a bunch” (those types of lines go a long way toward showing what (un)civil people you are)if you don’t.
You both have to be more decent people that you show yourselves (or, your ideologies show themselves) here to be, or you would have not survived in this life as long as your both have.
Regards,Show us that you can be civil human beings. Though I don’t feel love for you, I suspect that there is hope for you. Prove me wrong.
should be “than you show yourselves…”
Posts crossed DD. Well said.
hank is worried about being chased off the blogs. He accuses me and “liberals” of trying to do that.
I WANT Hank and Nathan posting here. I’ve said it before. Just as I listen to talk radio, I want their views here to show just how wrong headed they are. I have stood up for posters attacked. If Hank feels threatened perhaps it is becuase his ideals and arguements are not up to muster. Or I’ll afford him that he is simply outnumbered here. You know, kinda like liberals are in Kansas.
As to the thread.
Laws were made as cars were coming into common use. Some laws actually demanded that the user of a horseless carriage actually disasseble his vehicle and hide it if it spooked a horse! Clearly, these laws were to protect the horse and tack industry.
This is illustrative to us of the attempts to subvert the new technology that will subvert the internal combustion engine. It is ever thus. It does not have to be.
Please DD, show me examples of our lack of civility!
I can guaruntee you that I have not come anywhere close to the names you have called me and the treatment you give to me.
You sit here with your pompus additude, as if my father and I are the uncivil ones?
Once again, if you were not implying anything about my fathers integrity just say so, if you were lets hear it.
JR,
I never meant to imply anything about what you drive other than it not being a hybrid or one of the more fuel efficient type of vehicles.
My comments were more directed at liberals in general, who often do drive SUV’s and get driven around in Limo’s, flying on their private jets to the next podium where they talk about our countries addiction to oil.
My comments were also more meant to say I know what you drive JR, now I wonder what Tracy drives?
Not meant to imply much of anything beyond that.
Then again, it doesn’t take my saying much of anything for you to derive what ever you want to from it.
As DD stood for me I will stand for him.
“You are not going to be allowed to get married kfg, period.”
That may not be verbatim but it was your sentiment Nathan. I can think of no stronger evidence of sticking your finger in someones eye because you disapprove of them.
“I consider J R a poor role model for his son”
This is also maybe not verbatim but expressed sentiment by Hank.
That about enough to cite your lack of civlility? I can post more.
“Please DD, show me examples of our lack of civility!”
This would be a full time job that I have neither the interest in, nor the time for.
You derived hypocrisy on my part Nathan. If you are sorry say so.
I feel sorry for you Nathan and Hank. Perhaps you can get others to do that as well.
Good night, and good luck.
“My comments were more directed at liberals in general, who often do drive SUV’s and get driven around in Limo’s, flying on their private jets to the next podium where they talk about our countries addiction to oil.”
You just have to love stuff like the above. “I did not mean to say this about you, it was a comment on liberals in general”; “take no offense, I did not really mean it.”
My question: Then why post it? Disingenuous maybe? - oh well, could be…
Lame and grossly pathetic — and that is being kind.
Deep animosities here. Beyond confusing you with Hank Nathan (that WAS a common misconception), I dare you to post an instance of a personal named attack on you or Hank by myself or anyone else.
And as to the thread, issues of possible spills and pollution aside, could not offshore drilling be hazardous in other ways? Subverting the seabed?
Well said DD.
I direct my comments and posts carefully. I can’t post links so I have to be sure of what I post. My comments about “conservatives in general” are my own. I don’t attempt to put them on any particular conservative. If they see themselves in them and speak up I say they wear the shoe.
DD,
Sorry for what? Being misunderstood? Having you read into what I write well beyond reason?
If it is my stance on homosexuality that makes me uncivil in your eyes then so be it.
JR, if you could please post what my father actually said, it might be helpful. You do tend to have a way of reading into something a meaning that was never meant.
On top of all this, we are debating the civility of my father and me?
JR, you and many others here have made it clear that you have no intentions of being civil with your language or by calling us names.
The mere fact that you are even questioning mine or my father’s civility while completely ignoring the civility of people like DD, CF, and even yourself is silly.
Quite frankly I don’t care anymore whether you think I am civil or not.
You, DD, and several others have proven that language and calling us names means little to you on this blog.
I couldn’t care less at this point as to whether we offend you or not.
The days of this blog being civil went out the door when people like DD say stuff like this about me:
“Ignore button is on. I invite all others to join me, given Nathan’s moment of honesty and his confession that he is only about BULLSHIT.Life has got to be hard when you’re a LYING SACK OF SHIT. ““Sorry Knownothing,When it is an accurate description it is not an ad hominem argument.Generally, I see you as so pathetic that you are not worthy of even responding to. I am going back to policy of ignoring you.I take no pleasure in pointing out what a dumb ass you are. Besides, it is clearly redundant when you - all by yourself - do such a splendid job of that.”So please… talk to me about civility JR or DD.
Sorry, first DD was supposed to be JR.
DD,
“Lame and grossly pathetic — and that is being kind.”
I would say the same about what you posted about my father.
You guys are all big and tough on this blog.
I understand it is easy to sit there in your chair, safe in your room, with the lights on.
I wonder if you would have the balls to say these things to my face DD?
I mean seriously. I would like to see you say the things you do to me and call me to my face.
I have always known that we disagree with each other here.
It is obvious that we think differently on many issues.
The point of the blog is to discuss the issues.
I try my best to now make it personal. However, it seems to be an artform for many of you here to always try to get a personal jab at my father and I in.
We are not scared of you. Lord knows I have seen both of you and the only guy I am scared of was Julies husband.
You can even bring your big-mouthed friend CF along too… not scared.
What we are saying is that if you think calling us names and making this personal is going to drive us away you are dead wrong.
You can continue to try and make this as uncivil as you want to. I will do my best to keep it about the issues.
If you guys really care about civility we would be sitting here talking about solutions and agreements.
Once again, like I have done in the past, I will take the first step.
You want civility? Then lets do it.
I will keep my comments here about the issues and refrain from calling anyone (posters here) names either subtley or blatantly.
Can you do the same?
Oh civility went out the door long before the post from DD that you cite Nathan.
Posts crossed Nathan. I appear to be the only representative of “mine”
I drive no one off this blog. I have stood for the most ridiculed and despised. SO LONG as they did not ridicule and try to drive off others. I have not lied on others. There are no “trolls” on the left that compare to you and Hank.
Posts crossed Nathan. I appear to be the only representative of “mine”
I drive no one off this blog. I have stood for the most ridiculed and despised. SO LONG as they did not ridicule and try to drive off others. I have not lied on others. There are no “trolls” on the left that compare to you and Hank.
AS I said, posts crossed. At the risk of turning this into a pissing contest, I am not afraid of you or you father Nathan. I doubt any on “my side” are either.
Calls for peace mixed with…..
.”We are not scared of you. Lord knows I have seen both of you and the only guy I am scared of was Julies husband.You can even bring your big-mouthed friend CF along too… not scared.”
You turned this debate into a pissing contest Nathan. Telling. Could you “take” DD? maybe. Could I take Hank? Yup. Could you take me? Probably.Could kfg and Julie bang all our heads together? I’m thinking yup.But just who went to the posturing in absence of ideas. That would be you.Point is, my “side” so far fights fair. Post a lie on you from my side.—–
Ready to start yet JR?
Go ahead and get it all out of your system.
You want civility?
Lets see it.
Lets quit with all the accusations of who started what and agree that we all want civility.
That is what you want, right? Civility?
Lets begin.
Gentle people
The little exchange about the Swift Boat Vets for Truth is a perfect example of the civil debating style of the liberals. I supported them during the last election and I made several good points (politely I might add) and not one response to my points. I countered several points made by others and no civil response. Do I need review the names and profanity used against me?
In the past Nathan’s and my knowledge of medals vs. ribbons was questioned from with absolutely no facts from the other side. I was derided for being a member of the VFW with no knowledge of the requirements to join the VFW from the other side. My son’s status as a Marine was challenged and derided with no knowledge of facts from the liberal side. For weeks Nathan and I were accused of being the same BLOG troll. Does any of this sound familiar my liberal friends?
I’ve come to the conclusion that your vitriol goes beyond your love of country. You use names and profanity in your public discourse because you are crude, ignorant people. You make a point and we try to respond in a civil manner and we get names and bullshit in response. You people compare conservatives to Nazis, Christians to Phelps. If a person professes his faith on this BLOG its the same as admitting stupidity in your eyes. Then you act hurt when you get a little in return? Bullshit. Get over it.
Hank
This is just friggin pathetic.
Y’all sound like a bunch of loudmouth schoolyard bullies.
Grow the hell up.
It’s a stupid blog, remember?
This is even more ridiculous than road rage.
Back to the original post, “are Democrats costing you more at the pump?
If protecting the environment reduced oil supplies greatly, then we should have seen that happen soon after they were enacted.
We didn’t. Environmental protections are no harsher now–and one could make the case they are less harsh under BushCo.–and oil prices are still soaring.
What changed right before oil prices shot up? The war in Iraq.
It cut supplies from the second largest reserve of light crude.
Cause and effect. We went in, oil production fell, and the price went up.
That Republicans would blame this on environmentalists shows their utter disregard for fact and reality.
Bush got on channe3l 3 in Israel and threatened Iran with a nuclear strike. Oil started spiking that day.
The loss of Iraqi oil was negligible.
The Saudis started pumping an extra 1 million barrel a day to stabilize the markets.
But nothing they can do can overcome the threat of nuclear war.
Crude Oil Falls First Time in a Week on Reduced Iran Concern
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aT0hjSiFvqUs&refer=top_world_news
How about Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez selling 40%-discounted oil through Citgo to help poor Americans heat their homes? This is giving the administration fits.
See http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/053006A.shtml
Crude Oil and Gold Fall as U.S. to Join Nuclear Talks With Iran
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&refer=top_world_news&sid=aen2zXrEsfnI
Bush needs to leave Iran alone. Why he sticking his nose in what the Jews want, instead of what The United States economy needs to survive the Zionist-Jew-Greed?
That’s the only reason he’s over there because PNAC { run by Zionist-Jews } won’t stop directing him into their “Conquest Thing?”
It’s certainly not a smart thing to do.
First it’s “Oil Company gouging,” then it’s “Iraqi Oil being off-line,” when nobody has the guts to stand-up to the real reason: Israeli Greed to conquer the Middle East.
There are a lot of good Jews in Israel ready to live in peace and the Zionists are threatening their existence as well. The good Jews deserve a homeland.
Bush alerted Olmert on U.S. decision to talk with Iran
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/721902.html
Bush is desperate to get gasoline prices down as the White House mail on the subject must be awful.
But notice Bush had to talk to his “Boss” in Israel first.
I’m not seeing Crude oil or Gold coming down, I hope this isn’t an ultimatum.
IDF razes toilets of Palestinian cave dwellers in West Bank
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/721882.html
And you wonder why our soldiers are being so cruel?
US sends more troops into Iraq
Reinforcements arrive as Pentagon report shows insurgency is at two-year high.
http://csmonitor.com/2006/0531/dailyUpdate.html?s=mesduBush is insane and needs to be removed from office.
The “War on “Terrorism”What is Mr. Bush warring against?He says he’s conducting a “War on “terrorism,” but what is “terrorism?” Is it the violence of men flying airplanes into buildings in retaliation for years of murdering their people? Is it a man defending his home from Zionists who are destroying entire Palestinian villages and come with bulldozers to murder him and his family?Mr. Bush defies the American people in continuing to murder Iraqis, 3 years after invading that country, based on lies, but under the cloak of fighting the “war on Terrorism.” First in was to destroy their WMD, now it’s back to his old standby; fighting the “War on Terrorism.”Meanwhile the Iraqis are fighting the invading hordes of Americans and those “bought-off Iraqis who have thrown-in with them. Bush now says he’s fighting “terrorists” and if he stops, as the American People want him to, he says; “The Terrorists will have won.”What kind of nonsense is this?Mr. Bush says he wants Iraq to be stable before he leaves, but as long as he keeps bombing and shooting the Iraqis, how could they ever get stable? Or want to?Mr. Bush says he wants the Iraqi People to have an elected democratic government, but when he told the Palestinians to elect one, they did, but now he won’t recognize it or allow them to receive donations to feed their People { check it out, it’s for real }.Judges aren’t going to “buy” his “War on Terrorism” as his excuse for violating international law and committing daily war-crimes. Mr. Bush can’t even treat prisoners of war according to the Geneva Conventions and turns prisons into horrible medieval torture chambers. Mr. Bush even has his soldiers shoot the wounded.The whole civilized world considers Mr. Bush to be little more than dangerous laughingstock, while he has bragged that he doesn’t read newspapers { I don’t believe I’d have told that }.If Mr. Bush doesn’t know what the so-called “War on Terrorism” is all about, or for that matter, who or what a “terrorist” happens to be, then who does? Maybe it’s the wrong name?Perhaps Mr. Bush needs to reconsider that maybe the “War on Terrorism” is not good, but really a very very bad idea, and start listening to the American People?If not, then seek help.
“Ignore button is on. I invite all others to join me, given Nathan’s moment of honesty and his confession that he is only about BULLSHIT.Life has got to be hard when you’re a LYING SACK OF SHIT. ““Sorry Knownothing,**********************************
I am sure I said the above and it is notably uncivil. I apologize for saying that. I suspect that that outburst was provoked by you. That is, however, no excuse for bad language - obviously, I am guilty sometimes.
What I don’t apologize for is spurring you to actually do some research. Maybe you’re not a forever foot-soldier in the war on enlightenment.
On this face-to-face business, do you, Nathan, have the guts to say to people in person some of the stuff you do here?
If I were to copy and paste you and your father’s endless number of nasty demeaning comments, it would take up a great deal of space. So, I won’t bother.
If I address you at all in the future I will be more civil than I have sometimes been.
You guys beat up on each other all you want right here.
Y’all really ought to draw the line when it comes to physical threats.
I mean really, an eye for an eye and you’ll all be blind.
I am ready to begin DD. Lets be civil.
Dearest DD,
List one ‘nasty and demeaning’ comment I’ve ever written about you. Have I ever called you an asshole? How many times have you called me one about things that didn’t even concern you?
I’m sorry DD, you must have one of those carnival mirrors in your house. You’re actually a much smaller man than you appear.
I still love you, your routine vitriol makes me and my boy look like saints!
Hank
Dear Tracy,
Please don’t worry about anything physical, liberals are only bad when they are in the privacy of their own homes using their keyboards for a weapon.
Hell, they run so scared they think an invitation for lunch is a threat!
Hank
It’s urgent that you call me boy!
Hank,
Why is calling someone a coward not demeaning, especially someone you don’t even know?
It has always struck me that the guys most intent on showing how brave they are were the ones that had the least confidence.
Ed,
You’re right, threatening to nuke Iran definitely led to uncertainty in the oil markets and you’re right to point that out. But I think that Iraq’s lowered production has something to do with it too, doesn’t it?
And as per your instructions, Hank, I call you “boy!”
Don’t know why you wanted me to do that, but I aim to please.
Like my buddy R.D. Mercer would say:How big of ol’ boy are ya’ anyway?
Just kidden’ guys, lighten up!
True Blue gentleman, you are!
Dear True Blue,
Of course calling someone a coward is demeaning. If I call someone a coward its because I think he is.
I don’t think I’ve ever called a BLOGer a coward, although I think someone that calls me names personally on a BLOG is a coward.
If you’re referring to Kerry I’d be glad to explain to you why I think he is a coward, gigolo, traitor or liar.
Hank
Mr. Price,You have just got to stop being a parody of yourself - the post above is rich beyond any price. It is worth a re-post, but first let me explain the joke you pulled on yourself. First you say “List one ‘nasty and demeaning’ comment I’ve ever written about you.” and in the next paragraph you go about making a demeaning comment. Too much. Surely you saw what a joke you were making of yourself, didn’t you? I am not saying that to be critical or uncivil, Hank, it is just an empirical truth - to wit:
**********************************Dearest DD,
List one ‘nasty and demeaning’ comment I’ve ever written about you. Have I ever called you an asshole? How many times have you called me one about things that didn’t even concern you?
I’m sorry DD, you must have one of those carnival mirrors in your house. You’re actually a much smaller man than you appear.
I still love you, your routine vitriol makes me and my boy look like saints!
Hank**********************************I think the above counts as a response to your challenge. There are many other examples, but I don’t see the point. Recounting your uncivility, may be uncivil in its own right. Thanks for your invitation, but no thank you.
Why do you even care if he is civil or not DD?
The uncivility of yourself and many others here seems to be of no concern to you.
Even if you could point out where my father was not civil, what would it prove? Will you sleep better at night knowing that you caught us being uncivil?
When you and the many others here who routinely bash my fahter and I and make every blog thread personal it is a miracle that we are as civil as we are.
Nah DD,
I’ve been called an asshole, liar, Nazi and much more. I’ve been compared to Phelps and worse.
Calling you a small man is a statement of fact. You call people names on the BLOG but wou were quite civil in person.
Chickenshit comes to mind, but I’ll wait until I see you again to tell you what I really think.
Hank
TB
No. Iraqi production had nothing to do with 75 dollars a barrel for crude 0il, because the Saudis made-up that difference along with a slight increase from OPEC.
Supplies are in tact.
The Zionist-Jews of Israel do not want to take responsibility for the problems which they cause { no news there }.
The other sham was “Price gouging by the “Oil Companies,” which is laughable.
And here I thought Hank was civil at the meetup because he was….well, civil; just because.
I do like to give folks the benefit of the doubt, assume the best.
By his just posted standard I guess he is just chickenshit? He’s had some pretty harsh words at me and everyone else he met…. over the blog,,, but was pretty quiet in person. So if Darwins quiet demeanor is suggestive of intimidation? I guess I know why Hank brought a gun?
Pretty hash words?
Get over yourself JR…
Hey JR,
I wonder just exactly how tough you really are. I wonder if you actually got called all of the names that conservatives routinely get called on this BLOG if you would have the fortitude to hang in here.
A liberal uses profanity and the other liberals snicker and congratulate him. Liberals don’t get called names by the conservatives because they post a liberal viewpont. Conservatives don’t routinely use a personal attack against other BLOGers to make a point.
No, JR I think you are pretty much a small person too. Thankfully DD seems to have taken you under his wing. You and the rest of the liberal nitwits on this BLOG can use what ever profane and nasty names you want to demean anyone that dares to have a differing opinion, and then pat each other on the back about how clever you are.
Give folks “the benefit of the doubt?” You’ve got to be kidding! You routinely bad mouth people based solely on your perception of them! VFW, Marine, medals vs. ribbons. Do these subjects ring a bell with you? For a few months I lurked and just read. There were a couple of other posters that you even claimed were me because they were conservative! Benefit of the doubt? You are either kidding or a liar. The sad thing is you are lying to yourself!
I still love you, you’re making me look good!
Hank
JR- I think you’ve just been Hankwashed!!
In February 2005 crude oil was 40 dollars a barrel and none was coming out of Iraq.
The lack of crude oil from Iraq did not drive-up the price of crude to 75 dollars a barrel.
Israel drove-up the price of crude-oil to 75 dollars a barrel by threatening to use nuclear bombs on Iran.
Iran is not a problem, but Bush and Rice are doing their best to make it one { at the behest of Israel }.
They want to launch all out war in the Middle East and are looking for any excuse to do so.
Does that sound familiar?
Hank:”Calling you a small man is a statement of fact. You call people names on the BLOG but wou were quite civil in person.
“Chickenshit comes to mind, but I’ll wait until I see you again to tell you what I really think.”
I have a confession to make, I have been receiving emails from someone who claims to be Hank P. But I thought for a while this can’t be the Hank I know, because he seems to be decent and funny. He (the alleged Hank P.) calls me on dumb stuff I do and it is amusing, and not offensive in the least. I have asked this Hank alter-ego to allow me to post some of his emails to show you all the decent side of this man.
Any bets on whether Hank will allow this? I would think he might decline, because the “professional wrestling” side of Hank is more imprortant to him than the “real” him.
Regardless of any of the above, Hank Price is a more decent man than he would have you believe. I assure you of that.
Does that mean I agree with his ideology? Hardly.
He is another example of Damoon being right, when I doubted her. I won’t do that again.
Hank?
“Hey JR,I wonder just exactly how tough you really are. I wonder if you actually got called all of the names that conservatives routinely get called on this BLOG if you would have the fortitude to hang in here.”
Wow Hank you are a real hero. You stick to and defend your ideals on a blog. I stick to and defend my ideals in real life in a place where an overwhelming majority of people “think”…..and I use that term loosely……..like you.
Profanity? I don’t use it much. I also do not decry it’s use by other posters. Not much anyway. This is a blog, not a bible study. And I am the last to try and restrict speech.
“Conservatives don’t routinely use a personal attack against other BLOGers to make a point.”No? Your biggest moment of infamy is when you did just that to me! On this thread, Nathan did a similar thing to me and that is how this whole flame war got started.
Go show me where I used a personal attack to make a point.
“No JR, I think you are pretty much a small person too”
You are entitled to your opinion of me. Your opinion of me means less than nothing to me. As I emailed you, (gentleman TRY to keep personal things personal) I have a rather low opinion of you as well. After today, I will let your and Nathans posts of your opinions of me stand for themselves. But if you post lies or charges of hypocrisy on me as Nathan did to start this, I will correct the record.
By the way, Thank you Nathan for standing corrected.
“Thankfully, DD seems to have taken you under his wing”
I am proud that a fellow poster came to my defense when I was unjustly attacked. Many came to my defense when you, Hank “mistakenly” personally attacked me. This means that I have posted here and elsewhere in a manner that gained me respect enough to find allies in fights that my defenders had no personal stake in but chose because they respect me, and the truth.
Do you have anyone like that that stands for you and what you post? Not as I see it.
You mention my early days on the blogs and my posts back then. I have lamented that I am not as well written these days as I used to be. I have no apologies for anything I ever said. Whatever ones I owed were long ago made.
I’ve lost my edge since then. I met you and Nathan and assumed your lack of in personattack was an attempt at civility. I adjusted my posts accordingly. I see and have posted above that I guess this was not what you took away from the experience. You see in person civility as “chickenshit” this despite the fact that on meeting me, you chose not to get in my face on any issue. I did arrive late. Perhaps you got it all out before that. I don’t remember Darwins or anyone else as looking cowed or subdued though.
You are a troll Hank. You are an instigator. I’m no troll but I am an instigator, that’s why I recognize you. At any future meetup you may feel free to get as vocal and vitriolic nose to nose with me as you choose. Here AND in person I give as bad as I get. Me? I’ll be visiting with folks who mostly agree with me. Those that don’t I won’t call chickenshit after the fact if they don’t get in my face.
JR,
You are, as I hope you know, my friend.
As I have stated before, Hank, as a person, is less toxic than his ideology.
Let’s let him prove us right or wrong. Fair enough?
DD
Wow, it’s like the Hatfields and the McCoys around here! Nothing for Ian to do but suck back a frosty pint of Guinness and take in the carnage!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!
Gentle people,
I propose a truce, sort of. On these BLOGs I’ll be civil until someone calls me a liar, Nazi, or any of your other pet names. Then I’ll dump on you as only a retired submarine sailor can.
You people need a conservative viewpoint on these BLOGs! Now if I call someone in public life a traitor or pantload that doesn’t count (unless they are your mother). I’ll only get personal if someone else does.
Deal?
Worth a try.
Hank
Hank
When you say that a conservative viewpoint is needed I agree, except they’ve been replaced by neoconservatives willing to finance PNAC at any price.
I’m conservative but Washington no longer has any conservatives, and our fiscal responsibilities are nonexistent.
What conservative viewpoint are you talking about?
Dear Ed,
“I’m conservative but Washington no longer has any conservatives, and our fiscal responsibilities are nonexistent.”
I whole heartedly aggree!
If you want to know what the bastards are relly up to, go to:
SPP.gov
Hank
Hank
About: SPP
There are so many contingencies that groups this fail to factor-in, the “plan” usually falls apart.
As you’re well aware my first concern is the world’s crude oil supply, and keeping it safe. Remember that without crude, everything stops.
Bush is running out of time, and the danger now is might do something really foolish { if that’s even possibly left to do } and let the “Genie” out of the bottle.
The reason Bush has called for a meeting, I believe, is he’s not sure how many ace’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is holding.
This is going to get “very interesting” as the german on laugh-in used to say.
hee hee! Nathan says:
“I don’t think anyone wakes up one day and says I’m going to be gay anymore than someone wakes up and says I’m going to be a serial killer.”
I guess that would be an example of the civility he requests?
KFG,
I was in no way implying that you are or in any way resemble a serial killer by your choice to be gay.
It was a statement about the method of choice, not really what the choice is.
Well. This has been interesting. Ed, it definitely is reminiscent of Laugh In. (One of my all-time favorite TV shows.)
I can’t deny impariality, but what I see with Hank and Nathan’s ‘civil’ posts, are normally semi-polite digs, shrouded and couched in just the right terms to border on uncivility but not step into it. (Your choice as to what “it” is.)
One of my biggest pet peeves is having to deal with someone who treats me in a condescending way. I truly hate being patronized. If you don’t like me or what I say, tell me. I’ll be sure to give you a wide berth so neither of us is uncomfortable.
For instance, the moment I met Nathan face-to-face at the most recent blog picnic, I made a split-second decision to keep my distance. Not that I don’t like Nathan. On the contrary. He stands up for what he believes in and doesn’t waver. That’s admirable. (To an extent.) I don’t know that he said a word to me when we met, execept maybe a hello, but what he did was not directly look at me and just sort of slide me a sideways look. Hey, I’m not a tall person, so I felt looked down upon. Whether this was intentional or not, I have no clue. If not, I owe Nathan an apology, yet I feel it’s just a part of him. Perhaps unknowingly defensive on his part?
Hank, dear, I’ve been called a number of names. From Communist to Racist and beyond, and I’ve finally learned to (usually) laugh it off. After all, most of the time names are called it’s because the name-caller needs to be on the offensive, for whatever reason. And, too, sticks and stones…
Word of warning: If name-calling and obscenities bother you, DO NOT hang out in political chat rooms.
Back to our regularly scheduled debate.
“Calling you a small man is a statement of fact. You call people names on the BLOG but wou were quite civil in person.
“Chickenshit comes to mind, but I’ll wait until I see you again to tell you what I really think.”
Hank posted this after he claimed that he never calls bloggers cowards. No, Hank, you just call them “chickenshit” and “scared to say things to your face” and they “hide behind their keyboards.”
Well, thank God, you don’t call them cowards.
You call somebody a “small man,” but you claim that YOU are the victimized party.
See, this is why I have no interest in meeting you. You sound like a common bully, the kind I used to enjoy standing up to when all the other fellows said, “no, don’t do that he’s tough” and then just kicking his ass.
Training and many years of experience in wrestling, you know. As a “small man” myself, I find it really evens the playing field. If I had a nickle for every loudmouthed dumb hod who thought his biceps were going to save him from getting body slammed on the concrete . . . but I’m just reliving fond memories.
Thought this thread died. I had to go looking for it.
RD? Consider Nathans position the last meet up. He WAS the only representative his side. (My efforts to mitigate that are noted) As you note and I confirm, Nathan is what he is. I call his attendance a meetup where he was badly outnumbered courageous. You may perhaps forgive him if yet another member of the “opposition” arrived and he did not embrace you warmly.
If I were to attend a meetup of Hank, Heckler, Joe Blow, Joe WIlliams (if he could find it) Raptor, GMC70 and Nathan were to arrive after I did I might also not put out the welcome mat!
That’s my attempt at diplomacy.
I share your take on Hank Left. But I should note also that you did not attend the last meetup. You should not avoid enemies at the expense of meeting friends. You missed out. And I don’t mean Outlander.
“You people need a conservative viewpoint on these BLOGs!” - Hank
Yes but a conservative with arguements based in facts, not on the BS rush and o’rielly are vomiting that day.
JR, your comments and suggestions are duly noted. I won’t argue about it, because I was only going on instinct and could have been wrong, considering what you suggested. I’m always willing to give someone a second chance and a situation another try. If I’m wrong, I’m man enough to admit it. TEE HEE