I mentioned in an earlier blog entry President Bush’s low approval ratings, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll. But even more significant was the poll’s question No. 10, about which political party you trust to do a better job. Those surveyed picked Democrats over Republicans on every issue listed, including traditional GOP strengths such as Iraq (49% Dems to 42% GOP), the economy (49% to 43%) and the campaign against terrorism (46% to 45%). The biggest spread was health care (61% to 29%) and the prescription drug benefit for the elderly (59% to 31%). Whether such opinions hold up and whether they translate to victories for Democrats in November remain to be seen, especially given how difficult it is to defeat incumbents, Republican or Democrat. Also, the survey didn’t ask about social issues such as abortion, which trump all other issues for some voters.
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I think that with the intensity of dis-satisfaction with Bush that it will have an impact this year. Now if we can just get a good local candidate to go against Tiahrt.
Rove is already setting up the ‘Democrats cheat at elections’ storyline as backspin to cloak the GOP’s own efforts at electoral fraud. Just like Hank Price gloated the other day, polls don’t matter: what matters are the numbers you can fix on election day. And in 2000 (Florida), 2002 (New Hampshire with the phone-jamming scandal), and 2004 (Blackwell), the GOP has proven adept at lying and spinning their way to narrow victories.
However, given the incredibly low numbers for Bush and the GOP, and the massive mobilizations of Hispanic/Latino voters and other Democrats, election day results that skew suspiciously for the GOP aren’t going to be accepted quite so readily.
People are pissed. They know they’ve been lied to, and that this President, and this Congress, has lied to them. And in the election of November 2006, the GOP plays its vote-stealing games of the last two elections at its own peril.
Most of the illegal beaners can’t vote and the demorats will get rocked over immgration. At least Tancredo and some other house repukes have the right idea on what to do with the third world invaders. The demorats have no guts, no brains, no honor and no hope!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
I wouldn’t count out the military vote wanting to give the Dems a shot. They MAY be getting a bit tired of the Republicans getting them shot at. Particularly with the new rumblings about Iran.
Great to hear Ian Santiago so angry. He knows he’s being punk’d by the Republican Party, but can’t do a thing about it.
CF,
I quit the repukes back in 1992 and I have voted Buchanan ever since. At the state and local levels I will vote on single issues like immigration. There is not a lick’s worth of difference between the two parties and mindless partisanship is a death trap! If you think that the demorats are any btter then just look at what they did to Paul Hackett!
“Paul Hackett, Ohio’s very popular Democratic senatorial hopeful, has withdrawn from the race, citing pressure from New York’s senior Senator Chuck Schumer and Nevada’s Harry Reid, the Senate Democratic Leader. The pair are the same men who had talked Hackett into running in the first place. Schumer, Reid and others in the Democratic Party leadership had tapped Hackett, an Iraq War veteran, after his powerful showing in a run for Congress in a GOP stronghold on an anti-war platform in 2005. Hackett is one of over fifty military veterans recruited by the Democrats to run for the US Congress, taking advantage of public anger over Bush’s war on Iraq.
After accepting the offer, Hackett spoke out forcefully against the “Christian” Zionist leadership of the Republican Party, which sees Israel as a divine instrument whose interests are of more importance than those of America’s. This alone was bound to upset the Jewish Schumer, who has close links with various Zionist hate groups. Then Hackett spoke out about the question of illegal immigration, a taboo subject for neo-conservatives and liberals alike. As reported here at V-News, Hackett “lambasted the Bush border fiasco, saying the Republican Party “is willing to let illegals come in and take the jobs of Americans,” according to reports. While the statement immediately received condemnation from the usual suspects, Hackett is aware that his position has strong vote-catching appeal among blue collar workers, and refused to back down. “Illegal immigration is illegal. It’s that simple,” he said when questioned about whether or not he stood by his statements. Hackett also put the blame for the crisis squarely on corporate exploiters, which is sure to garner support from financially-strapped Rust Belt Whites who see their jobs go overseas thanks to globalization. He also said that he is opposed to amnesty for illegals, a capstone of Bush’s crazy immigration misleadership.”
This was clearly too much for the Democratic chiefs, who began to sabotage Hackett’s campaign. Hackett was quoted in the New York Times as saying, “‘This is an extremely disappointing decision that I feel has been forced on me.’ He said he was outraged to learn that party leaders were calling his donors and asking them to stop giving and said he would not enter the Second District Congressional race. ‘For me, this is a second betrayal,’ Mr. Hackett said. ‘First, my government misused and mismanaged the military in Iraq, and now my own party is afraid to support candidates like me.’” Hackett is correct in pointing out that both the Democrats and Republicans – the Republicrats – offer nothing to Americans.
Observers see the withdrawal of Hackett as a result of fear on the part of Democratic tops that they could unleash a populist Beast with their attempts to capitalize on growing White American war fatigue and impatience with George Bush’s lack of action on the illegal immigration crisis. Democratic chairman Howard Dean, who received widespread politically correct criticism for attempting to appeal to “guys with Confederate flags in the back of their pick-up trucks” while on the campaign trail for the presidential nomination, has called for Democrats to ease up on such liberal issues as gun control in order to appeal to Whites. In Arizona, the Democratic Governor Janet Napolitano has declared a state of emergency in front-line areas bordering Mexico and called for a National Guard presence to deter illegal immigration.”http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7936
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
The Democrats slogan should be simply “Had Enough?”
*****
BTW, CF, did you see that exit polls had Berlisconi losing big-time in Italy, but then the final results were “too close to call.”
Sound familiar? Was there electronic voting machines involved, owned by right-wing backers?
Yup . . .
Fortunately, it looks like the reactionaries weren’t successful in stuffing the e-vote sufficiently there, as they have done here.
And you know what else if funny, Berlisconi is calling for a recount.
Good luck, Conservative clown, the e-voting machines you love CAN’T BE RECOUNTED.
That’s what you like about them, remember?
Democracy, globalism, multiracialism; all the great frauds of our rotten age are about to collapse and I say good riddance! The future will be decided by blood, not ballots.
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!!
Oops . . . The Liar-in-Chief caught in another LIE–
Hank, let’s hear your hilarious rationa-LIE-zation of this one:
“On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile “biological laboratories.” He declared, “We have found the weapons of mass destruction.”
The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.
A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq — not made public until now — had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president’s statement”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12275328 /
“To those who say we didn’t find the WMD’s in Iraq, I say ‘we found them. We found them.” GW Bush referring to ‘mobile labs’ he knew were not ‘mobile labs.’
Ian–
Let this stand as a response to your last post and any and all posts that you make in the future:
You are stark, raving NUTS.
Please go be insane somewhere else.
Thank you,
The Management
CF nails the issue we have to watch, the vote-stealing republicans. They’ll do it if they can. They don’t care about the principals of Democracy, only power.
Herr Management,
I may be the only sane, non-partisan individual here so go take a flying leap at the moon, thanks.
viva La Raza Blanco!!
I thought it was strange that we had satelite pictures of the mobile labs, but didn’t intercept them. Guess we were supposed to believe that since we had a satelite image, there was no further need to track them. Bush should have blown them up so there wouldn’t be any proof of his deception.
TrueBlue,
Indeed. A dear friend of mine in Italy, Anna, wrote to me seething over Berlusconi’s attempt to steal the election.
Here’s her first email, when the vote count widely contradicted the exit polls. Anna, who is quite pale and meek in person, does a nice job with invective in the English language, I think.
“Italy is deliberately driving towards its political suicide. The shitty dwarf, after insulting the leftist electors as morons, calling himself Napoleon and Jesus, and talking nonsense about boiled babies, is going to be here again. I fear my future. I just didn’t think people would make the same mistake, but maybe the fucking Mr Fixitall is right – we REALLY are a heap of idiots…And he is the King of this Realm of Indifference…Please tell me this is a nightmare…”
My advice to her then, and now, was to get out in the streets and fight it out until Prodi takes office. It appears that the Italian center Left knows how to fight an election.
That’s going to have to be what we do in the Fall. Rove is going to try to steal these elections. He’s telegraphed it. And the record shows the RNC is involved in such efforts. So we will have to fight and refuse to accept the results if we don’t like them. Simple as that. Refuse to accept election results you know are false, and go to every length to impose your will. End of story. It’s the political battle after the election that we need to win.
And frankly, I’m done caring what any of the Wingnuts on this site have to say. BlowJoe, Heckler, Hank Price, Nathan, Outlander. None of what any of you have to say about the last three elections holds any water. Every one of you has endorsed dishonest and fraudulent results, and if Republicans can refuse to be goverened by Democrats, then Democrats can decline to seek validation of the facts from those who collaborate with electoral fraud.
Ian, funny stuff. You’re in a bit of a zone today.
At the risk of setting off the firestorm, I’d like to see exactly how the 2000 election was stolen, and the 2004 also.
I am starting to have no use for either party, but this blanket stolen election claim is a farce. I’m sure we can find instances where both parties had election discrepancies, issues, etc.
What we need is people from both parties to represent the people who elected them and not special interests, big business, or anyone else but who elected them.
I know its a pipe dream, but call me old fashioned but I still believe in doing the right thing, even when its unpopular. I bet if we all sat down we would find that most of us aren’t that far apart on most issues
Ian
I’ve been hammering away at the threat Zionism represents and have been called every name in the in the Zionist-Jew book: “anti-Semitic,” “Jew-hater,” “only knows one song,” “why bother to post, we already know what you’re going to say;” yada, yada, yada, yada.
Zionism represent a real threat to the American way of life, our freedom, our constitution, our morality, the rule of law, the existence of our country, as well as the world, and so on.
Notice with only a few insane exceptions that “heat” has all but gone away, as people are filling their tanks with 3 dollar Jew-gas, and understanding why it costs so much.
Israelis make the BTK killer look like Santa Clause by comparison.
Most of the Zionists have fled this blog as the truth of the matter becomes obvious.
The depraved cruelty Israelis inflict on their neighbors, mostly to the Palestinians is so obnoxious as to be sickening.
But the job is far from over, ridding ourselves of traitors such as AIPAC, the neoconservatives, Christian crackpots and assorted riffraff.
America has higher-class people in its jails than Israel has “citizens settlers,” busy violating common decency.
I think its safe to say that Israel has probably lost its right to exist as a country or be alive for that matter.
And that’s a shame, as good Jews suffer for the acts of a relatively few bad apples.
Jews do need a Homeland, a place where they can screw each other over and not bother the rest of us, but not the way they’re going about it.
Maybe the “Outback.”
CF,You can tell Anna that plenty of us on this side of the water are freaked, too. In my lifetime, our worst of worst is. . .right now. One would think Mussolini had an inoculating effect, but I guess people die and memories fade.
Please, Italy, just because we let OUR bastard steal an election (or two), it doesn’t mean you should follow our lead!
http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/2004/12/02/
Ian
Notice that asshole who calls himself “the management” wants to violate the first amendment’s freedom of speech. All those bastard Zionists have never been told by me to stop exercising their “freedom of speech” as a part of America is reading things you don’t agree with, not trying to shut-down people because you disagree.
That G-d management asshole doesn’t deserve to be an American { too thin-skinned }.
I don’t agree with much of what you say, but protecting your right to say it is a given.
Not for sale.
hawkeye,
I’m not going to bite. The evidence is out there if you’re interested. It doesn’t matter a bit to me whether you agree or not about systematic GOP fraud in the last three elections. I’m done with the Wingnut game of making truth conditional on the approval of dishonest people, who insist on their right to invalidate what is strongly supported by factual evidence and existing law.
So, Horst, down there in hell, have you been enjoying taking it up the ass from SS chief Ernst Rohm? You were, after all, both closeted homosexual members of the SA.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/nazism
One a fascist man-bitch, always a fascist man-bitch.
CF
1st you have know idea where I stand politically.
2nd I have read about both elections and it seems to me that corruption lies rampant in both camps especially if it will get them a win. Dems actually filed first in 2000 from what I read.
My point is this blatant hate of either party is silly since both will do anything to win. Neither party is honest.
Finally, to call me dishonest because I posed a question makes you what? It is this hatred and vitriol that keesp us from making this a better nation. My two cents
Horst, you are a world class dumbass almost to stupid to respond to. BTW you do know that Horst Wessell was a pimp murdered for not paying his rent real heroic huh! I just looked it up on wiki.
hawkeye – the dems filed in 2000 to force a complete recount of a statistically tied election. The Reps blocked the recount.
In 2004 there were many pricincts in OH where the vote totals were way out of whack with the total people voting (Diebald machines)
In 2002 in NH we have seen admission of GOP jamming of phones at Dem HQ during get-out-the-vote
Now, going WAY back, when LBJ was first elected to Congress the last 200 or so to vote all came in alphabetical order and wrote in green ink. There was to be a recount but the Courthouse mysteriously burned down.
Ben,
from what I read the dems only wanted to recount heavy dem counties. I read this off a msnbc timeline I believe. Would Dems if they were in the other shoes not have said anything. I doubt it. I’m sure I can google up Dem won elections where results could be questioned.
My point is this. It happens on both sides. If I were Kerry I might have questioned Ohios results. It all seesm to sound like sour grapes after a while.
I happened to like edwards, mccain, lieberman for their views and how they handle themselves.
To get on here everytime this subject comes up is stupid and like banmging your head against the wall, much like the abortion debate. It becomes a waste of time to post, at least for me
Lets find better candidates
Ben Huie,
Absolutely. Johnson stole the 1948 election; it’s well documented in the second volume of Robert Caro’s LBJ biography.
hawkeye,
My objection is to the way the ‘proof’ game gets played, as well as to the false equivalence in the “R’s do it and D’s do it, too” media frame. I disagree. The effort to disenfranchise large numbers of voters is a national GOP strategy, as are the various means for dirty tricks and voter intimidation. Nothing comparable happens on the Democratic side. Nothing. If you want to claim equivalence, show me some evidence.
Because that is the case, I have little time for the apparently ‘fair-minded’ frame that ‘both sides do it.’ Well, guess what: both sides don’t.
I know this SOUNDS slanted. But the fact that the truth SOUNDS asymmetrical says less about the truth than it does about the relativistic attitude that ‘everybody does it,’ and that all wrongdoing is equivalent and OK so long as my side is allowed to get away with it some of the time.
CF – I would also have to add the 1960 election and Cook County.
For what it’s worth:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_go_co/taxes_electronic_filing;_ylt=AoCq9j8ZXY_gbSEy8_A_jvCyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA–
You are correct, CF. If both sides do it, why do Dems keep losing the close ones?
They cheat but not as well as Repukes? I don’t think so.
E-voting corporations owned by conflict-of-interest conservatives didn’t play much of a role in our electoral system until 2000.
2000 was the year that the candidate with the most votes “lost” because of 300 votes out of 6 million cast in Florida. This after massive voter “purges” of Democrats, after tens of thousands of votes were technically invalidated because people punched Gore and also wrote “Al Gore” in the write-in candidate space.
In Ohio in 04, we had voters waiting for 8 hours in the rain and the polls closing before they could vote–in the CITIES WHERE DEMOCRATS VOTE. The Republican suburbs had no wait at all. We saw e-voting machines that voted for “Bush” even when “Kerry” selected. We had the first historical anomoly of the exit polls being wildly off from the “official” results.
Pollsters even today have no explanation for it.
We saw voting records mysteriously hidden and offices closed because of “FBI terrorist threat warnings,” when the FBI said it had issued no terrorist threat.
We’re to believe that BushCo who have lied to us about everything are perfectly honest when it comes to elections.
Yeah, right.
Kansas seems to be able to do it; why not the IRS?
TrueBlue,
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
That the double overvotes in Florida (punched AND written in) weren’t counted clearly violated state law, which mandates that where the voter’s intent can be ascertained, the vote should be counted.
Then there’s the election reform ballot initiatives last year in Ohio, where the actual vote contradicted an historically accurate newspaper poll, and the exit polls, by margins of upwards of ten points.
But the exit polls and the historically accurate polls were wrong? Don’t think so. Exit polls over the last 60 years have been historically accurate. And now we’re supposed to believe that an electoral system controlled by avowed political partisans is above suspicion?
Sorry. If Repukes don’t like being called liars, they should stop defending lies. And I, for one, think it’s worth going ALL the way to defend the validity of our elections against Republican interference. If we don’t have free and fair elections, we, as Americans, don’t have anything.
Like I said a waste of time to even talk to you guys. Too bad to because I’m always willing to discuss.
Repukes, your words not mine, democraps to make it fair, are all playting the same game and if you don’t see it to bad for you.
Should i mention Chicago politics for years and the democratic stranglehold or the cries of foul play.
This is why I don’t post, the same historonics on both sides by people who claim to be intellectual. waste of time
Go ahead and slander me its what everybody on here does best
Haven’t engaged you yet hawkeye.
You seem to be trying to play the role of moderate reform/peacemaker. But it isn’t too hard to figure out that you are a conservative.I don’t like conservatives anymore but I did use to be one, so I’m prepared to give you a chance.Here is my first test as to whether I regard any conservative worthy of anything more than derision and ridicule.Given the lies about WMDS, political games in the form of outing a CIA agent,illegal wiretapping, the wilfull inaction as to the Mexican invasion and etc.What is your current regard for george bush? Do you continue to support him?
“Like I said a waste of time to even talk to you guys. Too bad to because I’m always willing to discuss.”
Hawk, if it’s such a waste of time to talk to us, why are your lips still moving?
You show up out of nowhere spouting bullshit, and then expect sympathy? You provide no resources and expect to not be questioned?
“Should i mention Chicago politics for years and the democratic stranglehold or the cries of foul play.”
You might as well. Nothing else you’ve said seems to address anything we’re talking about.
By the way, you forgot to mention Clinton.
“This is why I don’t post, the same historonics on both sides by people who claim to be intellectual. waste of time”
But Hawk, you’re still posting. When you type in the little window and click “Post”, you’re posting. How could you miss that? Maybe you thought that was changing the oil in your computer?
“Go ahead and slander me its what everybody on here does best”
Oh, cry me a river! Hawk, blogs are tough places, and this one can get really tough. You’re way too sensitive. You may want to consider blogging on one of hte needlepoint sites.
Now see, JR is ready to give you a chance to prove your honesty. As many times as he’s been stepped on here, he’ll still give you a chance.
I, on the other hand, don’t buy your line. Don’t try to pass yourself off as something you’re not (openminded).
Can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Want to play games? Bring it on.
So apparently Ben Huie doesn’t think Kinard or Nolla are good candidates. Run Ben, or are you just more comforatable making racist statements about fellow Dems?:-)
Posted this on this wrong thread:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/04/did_bush_know_t.html#comment-16119142
Thanks XXX
I value intelligent debate. I have a reputation for outing hypocrites, blogfarts, and trolls.
Now you are “new”here at least by nic hawkeye. Quit telling the rest of us to play nice. This aint a “nice” place. You wanna rise above the fray? Why? Are you afraidto say what your really think? Get off your high horse and fight for whatever it is you really think. Whether you beleive it or not that is my form of encuraging you.But then there is JOE BLOW.Joe? What in the hell are you blowing about? Ben is a racist? Where?
See hawkeye? Blow is a known quantity here. He is a blogfart. He isn’t posting the issue, just polluting the thread.
I’m rooting for ya hawk. Intelligent relevant conservatives are an endangered species here.
Oh yes, if only the filthy traitor clinton was in office instead of the traitor shrub, all would be right with the universe! It was only about the “sex” with slick willie, right? As America dies you cocnuts cheer on you “team” like this is some stupid negro ballgame!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Ed,
Thanks for your support, don’t let the fools get you down. You are correct and in the end we will both be vindicated! The zionists and their sycophants are soon to meet their fate and it will be biblical in proportion!
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
So, tell me, Ian, if you got your White Nationalist way, undoubtably this European mutt would qualify for membership in your new glorious state. I suppose I should breath a sign of relief.
Where would the others live?
BlowJob – Rascist statements? You definitely deserve your moniker!
Don’t even know where to begin.
JR.
I stiil support this president because he is our president, much like I supported Clinton when he was President. I didn’t agree and don’t agree with either on a lot of things.
I’m conservative on somethings, liberal on others.
xxx
Why the anger? Because I dared to question you guys. I’m as openminded as you apparently. If you really believe that only republicans play dirty politics then you aren’t very openminded. Its always the losing side that complains.
That being said, I don’t think either party represents most of us very well. I am for a third party to challenge the establishment, except we can never find a good viable candidate.
You won’t find me posting very much, got a life to live, kids to raise, sports to coach, kids to teach, and church to attend. I hope you guys have soem viable debates and if the moods strikes me I’ll chime in.
PS just so you know I’m as intellectual as you I know that the post button doesn’t change the oil in my computer.
Because there’s some evidence that Democrats cheated 40 years ago, we should accept wholesale theft of the presidency now.
I think they call that “two wrongs make a right.”
Hawk,”I’m conservative on somethings, liberal on others.”
Yeah, right.
“Why the anger?”
What anger? You don’t rise to that level.
“If you really believe that only republicans play dirty politics then you aren’t very openminded.”
Ad-hom. Show me where I said that. You’re talking to hear your head rattle.
“Its always the losing side that complains.”
Yeah, I heard Bush today complaining about Harry Reid torpedoing his amnesty program.
“PS just so you know I’m as intellectual as you I know that the post button doesn’t change the oil in my computer.”
Must not be very sure of yourself. Most people wouldn’t have responded to a caniard like that.
“You won’t find me posting very much”
Super. So when can we count on you starting to not post very much?
xxx
Since you need everything proven to ya here goes.
I think we should have gone to war, but it has been handled very poorly.
I don’t agree with vouchers, think we need a guest worker program, but also secure borders.
I think tax cuts help the economy, but not when you spend out of your control.
So now we can’t take thinly veiled references to how republicans simply still all the elections as everyone agreeing on here except me that its true. You know deep down thats what many on here think.
If you really think 2 elections were stolen I don’t know what to tell you. Definitely contentious elections and very close, but I wonder if democratic tactics had worked and they won if you would claim they stole it. It went to court and a decision was made. Seems to me republicans availed themselves of the process available to them as did the dems.
I guess in 04 dems should have contested harder if they really thought. Don’t tell me Kerry is such a stand up guy that he wouldn’t ahve done it if he thought he could win.
I wish both elections were more cuut and dried for one party or the other. Would have been better for the country.
Bush just proved my point about what the losing side always does.
If must not be very sure of yourself is the best insult you can come up with then I feel sorry for you.
I generally don’t get on but once a week, but you may have just made me want to be more a part of the discussion.
Finally, I just can’t rise to your anger or others anger about this country. I don’t want to be taht person. i want to look at both sides of an issue and come to my own conclusions. I hope we can talk on other blogs and i will be praying for you
Oh no. In debate and argument, is there a cheaper way to declare victory than to tell your opponent you’re praying for him?
In this context, prayer truly counts as the last refuge of a scoundrel, although it would be excessive to call hawkeye a scoundrel.
Wanna follow Christ, hawkeye? Do as He says in Matthew 6:5-6.
“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go to , your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you.”
hawkeye, that’s IN SECRET. Got it? Good.
Ok Hawk, let me ’splain it to ya.
“Since you need everything proven to ya here goes.”
Information overload. Show me where I asked you to explain anything.
“I think we should have gone to war, but it has been handled very poorly.”
Ok, now you caught my interest, (I’ll probably regret this) Why do you think we should have gone to war? What do you think we’ve gained?
“So now we can’t take thinly veiled references to how republicans simply still all the elections as everyone agreeing on here except me that its true.”
I’m going to assume you mean “steal”. What part of my assertions about republicans stealing elections do you think have been “thinly veiled”? I think I’ve been pretty clear on that subject.
“If you really think 2 elections were stolen I don’t know what to tell you.”
Why doesn’t that surprise me? Actually Hawk, I think the numbers are higher, but I get suspicous when republicans install voting machines that don’t allow any kind of monitoring or checking (hard copy). Most voting machines, Debold, et al, are a pretty simple hack.
“If must not be very sure of yourself is the best insult you can come up with then I feel sorry for you.”
Oh, I can do MUCH better. But you need to figure out how to get under my skin first. You don’t approach a level that warrants a real insult (yet). Keep trying.
“I generally don’t get on but once a week, but you may have just made me want to be more a part of the discussion.”
Nice try. who do you think you’re dealing with? Kind of a flip-flopper, aren’t you?
“Finally, I just can’t rise to your anger or others anger about this country.”
If that’s the case, you need to either wake up, or just bend over. Your country is being stolen right out from under you and the Constitution that protects you is being shredded. If that doesn’t make you angry, you’re a waste of space.
“I hope we can talk on other blogs and i will be praying for you”
I always appreciate prayer.
CF, as usual, you’re on the mark. Where would we be without you.
Wow
Hey Hawk?Something about you, and I’m not sure what, really has XXX after you and hard. I trust that.
My sense is that he sees in you as I do… a poser. You come on all moderate and conciliatory as I posted before. Your allegiances are pretty easy to figure, but you don’t stand up for them. You talk of posting infrequently, but when XXX takes you on, you say maybe you need to be here more. And finally as CF points out you “pray” for XXX, a hidden sort of shot where you get to be morally superior.
Now come on Hawkeye. Get off the damned fence. If you don’t know what it is you really believe (I for one ain’t buying that) say so. Quit with the coy crap.
JR, do you get the impression that “Hawkeye” isn’t a new poster? Maybe someone who posted for a while not to long ago?
Something smells fishy here.
I always have that suspicion X. I did refer to hawkeye as a “new poster”.
I’m not sure if Hawkeye is a purple chicken but he? is “crossing the road” so to speak. Your thoughts?
I trust demorats just about as far as I can throw them. Ted Kennedy and Hillary can go to hell! They can take their immigration policies with them.
“Oh no. In debate and argument, is there a cheaper way to declare victory than to tell your opponent you’re praying for him?”
Oh yeah CF. I get by even cheaper by saying “cheney you”.
Punctuation and spelling are telling with some posters. Other posters use the same ideas over and over with different names. Some multiple personalities even use the same phrases. That always makes me wonder if it is the same person or just the same source for talking points.
Whatever. I say flame them all and let their god sort ‘em out.