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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted April 28, 2006 at 12:01 p.m.
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Open thread? Good!
Let me take this oppourtunity to offer in defense of our esteemed Governor an explanation for her recent unethical and illegal solicitations for contributions (bribes).You see as the Insurance Commissioner for the state of Kansas she was the only elected official in the state that was legally authorized to solicitate contributions from those she regulates. (Note, there is no mention of the term “campaign” so contributions could be to her pocket).Given this little insignificant perk, there is every reason to believe that she felt it entirely ok to continue this sort of behaivor since after all, if it’s good for the 4th most powerful position in the state, it must be good for the top dog. Please forgive her digression as I am sure it will not happen again. (until you blink)Kind of amazing though that it makes national headlines when it is a Republican Governor.
From the NYTimes:”Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Mr. Rove, said Mr. Rove would be cleared. ‘We’re confident at the end of this that Mr. Fitzgerald is going to find that Karl has been totally truthful and not only has done nothing wrong but has done everything right.’”
When I start feeling ungrateful about my job, I am going to remember what this poor bastard has to do to put food on the table.
A link to the NYTimes, Rove article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/washington/28leak.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
A link to the NYTimes/Rove article:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/washington/28leak.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Start your Christmas shopping early this year.
http://impeachbushgame.com/
Gawrsh, what will the Republicans do if their Director of Fixing Elections finds himself in trouble for doing what he does naturally – lying?
Good Lord, the 2006 mid-terms may be the first honest election in American since who knows when.
Quote of the Day:
“No one must lightly dismiss thequestion of race. It is the key to world history, and it is precisely for this reason that written history often lacks clarity – it is written by people who do not understand the race question and what belongs to it. Language and religion do not make a race – there is only one thing which makes a race, and that is blood.”
Benjamin Disraeli, who was prime minister in England in 1872-80 and of Jewish heritage wrote the following in his book Endymion p. 249-250:
Viva La Raza Blanco
An idea for River festival entertainment – low cost and bringing it ‘back home’. Have a “Battle of the Bar Bands”. Through the year people vote for their favorites in each genre. Then, at River Festival, the top three in each catagory would be invited to perform. At the end of each evening (one for each catagory) the Best Bands would be crowned, giving them bragging rights for the coming year.
No big fees to bring in outside groups; I am sure there are a lot of good bands out there who would love to vie for “Best”
From Dan Froomkin at the WashPost:
“Mark Corallo, a former spokesman for the Justice Department, would be part of the public relations defense team, according to a person familiar with the plan. Corallo is no stranger to high-profile defenses. He was spokesman for former representative Bob Livingston (R-La.), who was forced to step aside as the incoming speaker of the House in 1998 after admitting an extramarital affair.
“Corallo specializes in ‘crisis management’ now. Here’s his bio .
“Corallo told me this morning that he was hired by Luskin in October.”
Can it be that Karl is engaging in “Bunker behavior”???
Ben,That is a great idea. It would be enough to get me back to the River Festival.
And now for an extension on the idea: ‘periodic’ concerts in Old Town and/or the West Bank stage – free entertainment for us and cheap advertising for the clubs.
ian,
I just downloaded Endymon (it’s a novel BTW) and the quote you attribute to it isn’t there. Even if it were..as i said, it would be from a NOVEL, and would not, therefore, necessarily represent the feelings of Disraeli himself.
No matter, this is at least the third time you’ve misattributed (to put it mildly) quotes to famous personages.
You lose credibility every time you do it.
“Benjamin Disraeli was one of the most important members of the Jewish race in the 19th century. Although baptized as a Christian, he developed views on the importance of racial purity and the superiority of Jewish heredity, in such works as “Coningsby or the New Generation,” “Tarcred, or the New Crusade.” Disraeli’s views on the importance of racial purity and the role of racial intermixture in the decline of race and culture antedated the [writings of others] … Chamberlain in his “Foundations,” said, “Let Disraeli teach us that the whole significance of Judaism lies in its purity of race….” — Professor Kevin MacDonald.
The Star Spangled Banner in Spanish? Have we completely surrendered OUR country to a gang of illegals who don’t even care enough to learn the language?
What is next? Convert the dollar to peso? Make Spanish the only acceptable language? Make guns illegal (like in Mexico)? Only allow the upper, ruling class to have access to education (like in Mexico)? Destroy this country so it is a slum that people are desparate to escape..like Mexico?
I agree raptor. I also predict one giant backlash after the riots illegal aliens will likely start on Monday.
Jose, can you see, by the dawn’s early light….?
Well, wookee deh. The fat junkie fascist turned himself in to the Pawm Beach Police Depawtment, on a wawwant for fawsifying information to obtain a pwescription.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428/ap_en_ot/limbaugh_painkillers
Poor widdell fat junkie.
MEET UP
Ok folks, I would like to make reservations for the meet up tables at Watson Park. With the event now just 2 weeks away, I need to do that this weekend to be sure we don’t end up sitting on the ground.
I can’t post links. If Julie would be kind enough to post the link she emailed me here, you can then see the park and the tables it has to offer. The tables are about $30 for 4 hours in most cases.
What 4 hours do we want? Earlier or later? 1-5? 5-9?Walker and KFG have the farthest to travel. What hours best for them?
Julie called for a head count but that was on the old open thread. I (We ) need to know how many people for the folks who are bringing food. Don’t want any fights over the potato salad or chicken!
So get me numbers and info and I will finalize arrangements. Also if everyone who is coming could bring just one dollar for the tables I would very much appreciate it.I think with the numbers coming that will just about cover it.
I’ll just count the names while I post who I think is coming. If I miss anyone let me know.Me,XXX,Walker,Kfg,Ben,Rage,RD,Julie and family,Gfun,Joe Williams,CF,gster might stop by,Tara,mrcontroversy
That’s at least 20 (allowing for Julies family and my son and maybe a few others)
Rush Limbaugh Arrested on Prescription Drug Charges
Brian SkoloffAssociated PressFriday, April 28, 2006; 6:39 PM
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — Rush Limbaugh was arrested Friday on prescription drug charges, with his attorney saying he has reached a deal with prosecutors that will eventually see the charges dismissed if he continues treatment for drug addiction.
CF beat me to this story. But you know, the AP is the MSM – so this all could be MADE UP! Chortle.
Here is, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/28/linbaugh.arrest.ap/index.html
Too bad CF. The politically motivated Limbaugh drug investigation is over.
I’ll already be in town, so either time is okay by me.
Got to feel sorry for those persecuted Republicans (have the WH, House & Senate, & Supreme Court); So is your postion, Out, that Limbaugh is exonerated because these are 3 yr old charges? That he was only breaking the law in 2003? Ergo then, the whole thing is a sham? Hmmm…
JR, I still am going to try to be there. It’s been a long time since I’ve gone to HHP- is there nore than one area you might be at?
Outlander,
‘Politically motivated prosecutions.’ Hmmm…
Man, you make this all WAY too easy.
Thanks, again, JR, for handling this stuff. One dollar? Think I can handle that.
What time did Tara say she was getting here? Isn’t there some rule about being in the parks after dark?
By the way, JR, the purple chicken ran into the guardrail again. Nothing urgent: Just letting you know!
FOLKS: LAST CALL! Speak up now!
JR,MOTHER indicated she’d be there. And let’s not forget Brer Rabbit and Tar Baby!
No, gster, I believe we’re on for Watson Park, tentatively set for 1:00.
Rage,
Thanks, I guess I got my wires crossed. Do you know where in Watson?
G
Come on Outlander, you’re a reasonable guy. Rush was involved in the drug trade. Getting busted is a political issue? Since when? Yes, the Libs have enjoyed it, but Rush is such a sanctimonious asshole. If the shoe had been on the other foot…
Of course nothing is going to come of this because in America, you get the best justice money can buy. But if it had been you or me moving that much dope, we’d have gone to jail for years.
So I ask you, do you think thst it was ok for Rush to do drugs?
“that”, not “Thst”
Rage- Sorry about the dumb question. If the tables haven’t been reserved, no one knows where it will be. Today has been longer than I thought!
Truly the best criminal justice system money can buy.
Know what I’d like to see?> Video of Rush when he was detoxing. I think I’d enjoy that. I think alot of people would.
MEET UP
Once I am sure as to tables I will begin to market this thing more. So there could be even more people.
Yeah Mother and the briar patch folk weighed in too.
“Besides scrutinizing the prostitution scheme for evidence that might implicate contractor Brent Wilkes, investigators are focusing on whether any other members of Congress, or their staffs, may also have used the same free services, though it isn’t clear whether investigators have turned up anything to implicate others.”
Oh Gawd, I can’t stand it! And here I thought republicans didn’t like sex.
Get ready for another republican scandal.
The thing about these people…if it’s not one damn thing, it’s another
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114610728002837324-FnHaEYAFT_b7QFGwPxnAIiEcHEI_20060527.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
“All we have now are questions. It remains unknown who is implicated and to what extent they participated in this sex-for-favors scheme. But one thing is certain, as evidence comes to light, this scandal is going to be blown wide open, and there’s no telling who or how many Republicans will go down.”
Outed,You’re not answering. Why is that? Hmmm…
I’ll second DD’s call to Outlander.
Outlander?
I thought it was a pretty easy question.
Maybe Out needs to listen Monday to Rush for his answer.
Maybe Outlander will come to the meet up with an answer.
Did Ethics Commissioner Tim Emert Solicit Funds for the KTRM PAC A Month After Joining the Ethics Commission In Violation of State Law?http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2006/04-29/index.htm
Um Meadowlark? A link that includes your nic? I checked it out.Please do not shill your personal partisan website here.
XXXI read your link and and found very little in the way of substance, other than the contractors bribing Cunningham. What the feds are doing looks more like a fishing expedition than anything else. And it certainly does not point directly to Republicans. If anything, it is looking at the general population of the house and senate. It could find members of both parties involved. But it’s too soon the start slamming either party on this. The egg aint cracked yet.
As to the meet up, I might make it. I have not been really following the discussion, what day is in mind? If it is a weekend I could make it.
Rush Limbaugh prosecution politically motivated?
The only person in that prosecutors district(possibly the entire state of Florida) who’s ever been charged under the “doctor shopping” statute just happens to be in the top ten “most hated by liberals” list. The prosecutor happens to be very active in Dem. party politics.
You decide.
The poor guy couldnt make a case despite a near 3 year investigation. About all he could manage was to weasel Rush out of some pocket change to help save face.
Still no answer to the question?
Is it ok for Rush to illegally obtain and use prescription drugs for non presecription purposes?
Or another question, should rush NOT have been prosecuted for illegal drug use?
Yes or no like nathan says….
And speaking of politically motivated….
Arent you the same guy that thought it was ok that the chair of the bush/cheney campaign in 2000 was also in charge of the florida vote count?
And never mind that the governor of that state is the preznit’s brother, and it was under HIS direction and Katherine Harris’ that the voter rolls in florida were oh-so-carefully purged of democrats before the 2000 election?
But the prosecutor in rush’s case is an active democrat so that makes his conviction politically motivated?
When did sauce for the goose suddenly not equal sause for the gander?
No it is not OK for Rush to abuse drugs, prescription or otherwise. But it is not OK to selectivly prosecute based on someones political or social status. When this thing started the “doctor shopping” statute had been on the books for several years but in every case that abuse had been cited the defendant had been refered to treatment and no charges were filed. In light of those facts it is hard to come to any other conclusion, that the prosecutor was doing it for political reasons.
Walker, I don’t care if it’s Democrats or republicans. I clearly posted,
“All we have now are questions. It remains unknown who is implicated and to what extent they participated in this sex-for-favors scheme.”
So let’s skip the ad homs.
If they’re dirty, they need to go down.
XXX:
“So I ask you, do you think thst it was ok for Rush to do drugs?”
I can’t answer that question any better than Heckler just did.
Heckler:”No it is not OK for Rush to abuse drugs, prescription or otherwise. But it is not OK to selectivly prosecute based on someones political or social status. When this thing started the “doctor shopping” statute had been on the books for several years but in every case that abuse had been cited the defendant had been refered to treatment and no charges were filed. In light of those facts it is hard to come to any other conclusion, that the prosecutor was doing it for political reasons.”
Premise A: It is not okay to selectively prosecute based on political/social status.
Premise B: Everytime the doctor-shopping law has been used the offender has been referred to treatment.
Therefore: Rush was politically targeted. QED
Uh,Heckler the above kind of looks like magical thinking (I mean the conclusion was reached with some not apparent – hidden – premises).
So now we know that neither Heckler nor Outed can defend whatever in the heck their position is. I’d say nice try, but the quality in your reasoning is kind of hidden, too.
XXX,I wasn’t trying to denigrate your post, but when you wrote (or included), “But one thing is certain, as evidence comes to light, this scandal is going to be blown wide open, and there’s no telling who or how many Republicans will go down.”, It points to your thinking this is only a Republican scandal. I was simply pointing out the article was not clear on who might or might not be implicated. There was very little substance to the article, other than the fact the contractors were under investigation. All else is nothing more than speculation.
But it will be interesting to see if anyone else is implicated. It is worth following.
Regarding Rush Limbo (sic):
Selective prosecution or not, it’s poetic justice that a man who crowed so mercilessly against drug users would be busted for, well, being a drug user.
I have some sympathy for Rush The Addict, but I have little use for Rush The Man.
I do need to take the time to read the posted links as to this.
Wasn’t Rush also in possession of illegal quantities of a legal drug? Did he even get CHARGED for that? Is that just another charge that his money made “go away”?
Oh Heckler and Outlander. Is there no depth to which you will not sink? Rush just demonstrated that justice for all is a lie. And you are all in with that.
Nevermind. IOKIYAR.
“”But one thing is certain, as evidence comes to light, this scandal is going to be blown wide open, and there’s no telling who or how many Republicans will go down.”, It points to your thinking this is only a Republican scandal.”
That’s a pretty twisted piece of logic, Walker. I didn’t write the article, I just shared a link.
It’s another scandal in a littany of scandals.
With this administration, if it’s not one damn thing, it’s snother.
“another”
“another”
writerdog,
Love to have ya man! It’s looking like May 13 at Watson Park, tentatively set (though not firmly) for 1:00. Tables have not been reserved. JR was going to try to do that today, but it’s looking he might need to hold off a little (ya think, JR?).
JR is requesting everyone contribute a dollar for the fees, though I suppose that could change, too, if we need a bigger (more expen$ive) area (I wouldn’t think it’ll climb to more than a few bucks each).
By the way: I think I’ll be bringing soda pop. I don’t think I can screw that up! :)
And another. :)
OJ WATSON PARK INFORMATION:
http://www.wichita.gov/CityOffices/Park/OJWatson/
http://www.wichita.gov/CityOffices/Park/OJWatson/Shelter.htm
Someone posted directions earlier. I’m not entirely sure where it is myself, but there’s always the phone book or Mapquest!
I lifted this from another blog:
“He was addicted to Oxycontin, which requires a special prescription to be able to obtain the drug from local pharmacies. No call-ins and no online buys are permitted. If he is correct and there was no doctor shopping, which I’m skeptical of-then the doctor that gave him the drugs was complicit in all of this too. I’ve heard a number (not substantiated) of the enormous amounts of the drug he was taking and let’s just say that the doctor that was writing these scripts should have a lot of explaining to do”
Selective prosecution? Like how we selectively prosecute those who hire illegal immigrants?
Like the selective prosecution of leakers?
Like the selective prosecution of phil klein against abortion providers not reporting underage sex? With no corresponding investigation into underage LIVE BIRTHS?
Like that selective prosecution?
Yeah Rage this is what I thought. Once the thing gets nailed down as to time there may be even more people.
Would be glad to meet you writerdog.
Since the tables rent in groups of 8 I think we are okay no matter what. The rentals are for 4 hours which is probably enough.I hope the weather is better in 2 weeks!
I would like to get this done today or tomorrow so I can start really promoting it.
I was originally thinking 1. I may have to adjust according to availability but I’m doubting it.
Is 1 OK with everyone? Or would later be better?
I will give everyone the rest of today to weigh in.
Thanks KFG for the post. You know the whole thing with Oxycontin is pretty interesting. Anyone who takes that drug long enough becomes physically dependent upon it – any- and everyone does. Supposedly one is then left on this drug or medically detoxed or withdrawn off of it. One is addicted if one cannot or will not undergo the withdrawal, or if one takes more than what one is prescribed. Though I dislike giving Limbaugh much credit, it does seem to me that the line between legal and medically appropriate treatment and addiction and illegal behavior is a little on the fuzzy side with this particular medication.
ok
I DO need to get this done today or tomorrow.
The availability is not what I hoped. And the window is closing.
The earliest we can start is 3:30. The latest is 5:30
The tables rent for 4 hours.
3:30 on is at a large shelter we would be sharing with other groups but I don’t see that as a problem. This is close to a playground,bathroom and the lake (in case anyone needs throwing in)
5:30- 9:30 would be just us. It is a smaller shelter not as close to amenities.
Final thoughts?
Rage, “another”.I got caught on that stupid thing that makes sure you’re not a ‘bot. I HATE that damn thing!
DarDi
You generally make a little sense in the arguements you make against what I’ve said.
Today you sound like you are on drugs, what’s the problem, you’re starting to sound like JR.
Or worse, CF.
JR, I’m fine with whatever time works best. I wouldn’t miss this for anything. For those of you who haven’t decided, or are considering not coming, I urge you to think again. The last meet up was great, even considering how windy and cold it was. There are some really interesting people on this blog.
Personally, I’d like to see the conservatives better represented this time. Last time, only Nathan and Hank showed up from the right. Though I fight like cats and dogs with them on these threads, they were great people to meet in person.
Politics isn’t all there is to life. Many of my friends are conservative, and they’re great people (just misguided, lol).
I urge all of you regulars to attend. I’d really like to meet Heartlander, Raptor, CKL, KSsam, GMC70, and all the rest. We could even rent a skip-loader to roll CrusaderX into the lake.
Although your post to KFG sounded pretty reasoned.
JR, whatever time works for everyone else works for me.
DD, not sure what you meant in your post, but no one needs the amount of oxy that rush was buying.
And Dr. shopping to get the drugs you need is not ok.
If he needed them, he should have gone to one legit doc. And if he was addicted for medicals reasons, they could have helped him with that too, before he started breaking the law.
Do ya suppose he was trying to hide his oxy use, legit or not, because he has been so harshly condeming of others with the same problem?
He would rather break the law than admit he is no different and no better than the people he scorns?
How small is smaller, JR?
I suppose the bigger shelter is the way to go, though this group might terrify our co-habitants! ;-)
…and for the record DD, I took oxy for three months when I had my knees replaced. I was never addicted, and in fact, couldnt wait to stop taking them. Maybe I didnt take it long enough or in enough quantity to be addicted, but I was really glad to stop taking them.
But then downers were never my drug of choice :)
Heheh. The knees work so good now I dont even take Aleve anymore.
Folks, as they say at Kirby’s Beer Store, “LAST CALL, NO SH*T!”
I suppose if I could make a conservative/mod/Repub/third party wish list, kansassam and heartlander would definitely be on it, along with our regular sparring partners, Outlander and Heckler and, of course, Raptor.
Again, if you weren’t mentioned, it doesn’t mean you’re not welcome!
P.S. Sorry for the (censored) vulgarity. . . .
Heckler is now the arbiter of who is and is not ‘reasonable’?
How do folks feel about that?
Heckler you must have missed a meeting. Folks on your side say I’m the arbiter here!
I will be leaving for Watson park later this afternoon. If there are no conflicts to anyones schedule posted before then
I will schedule the meet up for 3;30 or 4:30 Sat May 13.
As Rage says, LAST CALL
On the Rush & Oxycontin: Clearly, the amounts of the drug, trying to buy the drug from non-pharmacy sources, him trying to have multiple/overlapping legal sources (MDs) of the drug all point to a serious addiction. Rush has admitted as much.
Every addict I’ve ever known has always tried to hide their addiction; Rush was maybe more invested in the deception for whatever reason.
KFG, I am betting that you took that drug long enough to have physical dependence. From what you are saying, it’s sedating effects were worse than any withdrawal you might have felt. You are chemically lucky in your make-up, I would say. Some people are not, however. Rush was one of those in the latter group.
The point I was trying to make in the earlier post, is that the demarcation between legally sanctioned use of Oxycontin and addiction is not as distinct as some people believe or want to believe. Of the people I have known, any who tried to get off of Oxycontin had serious problems doing that. Pain is a subjective thing and difficult to treat. MDs, if they are being honest (which does not happen much on sensitive subjects), all know of pain management practices/clinics that are ethically challenged.
Heckler,My critique of your logic made perfect sense. It was your reasoning that was not making sense. Usually, you do considerably better than that. You haven’t been sampling that hillbilly heroin have you?
One more thing, my wife would argue that me sounding more like JR would be a good thing. But, she generally is pretty argumentative.
The Bible has been translated into many different languages, so why should the “Star-Spangled Banner” be limited to English?
Is the “Star-Spangled Banner” any more sacred than the Bible, that it must be limited to one language, as was attempted by the early church with the Bible in Latin a thousand years ago?
Second, a large majority of Puerto Ricans are Spanish speakers and most of events there are conducted in Spanish, and, after all, the island is a U.S. Territory. The Spanish character of Puerto Rico is recognized as is their right to speak Spnaish, but we are going to require them to recite only the “Banner” in English?
Third, why not translate the “Star-Spangled Banner” into many different languages accompanied by a brief description of the events surrounding its penning, with an explanation of why it still (or perhaps even moreso following the demise of slavery and near end of racism) reflects U.S. values and democracy. It would then make a great teaching tool around the world and clear any miscomprehensions about what America stands for. The federal government could put it on one Web page and you could choose the language. After all, the U.S. Government has beamed U.S. propaganda into Cuba, as it did the former Soviet bloc (in many lanaguages) for years. Would it make sense to broadcast the “Star-Spangled Banner” into Cuba in English? Let’s send the “Banner” to Havana in Spanish everyday and bug the heck out of Castro.
It is the Star Spangled Banner and not the star spangled beaner! Of course, I hope that the wetbacks and their supporters keep up this kind of nonsense because it brings more converts to OUR side on a daily basis! :)
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!
There are many phases an addict goes through. And just about every addict goes through the same stages. The primary one being denial. Has anybody talked to an addict and had them admit the addiction? I would bet it happens maybe one out of a hundred times. Rush’s actions are no different than anyone elses. The difference is he is a celebrity, same as Boy George or Robert Downey Jr.
The one thing that sets him apart is his sanctimonious attitude regarding addicts as a whole. As such, he deserves to be held to a higher standard, and he failed to attain that standard.
The bottom line is: is it his fault he is an addict? Yes and no. Yes, in the fact he does know so much about addiction via his talk show, and no as in anybody can become an addict.
The interesting thing to watch will be if he can stay off the stuff for the next 18 months. Any bets?
Good points, J.M.
I don’t think that Rush could help that he has what is likely a genetic vulnerability to addiction. But, yes, he does have the responsibility to do something about the addiction – which is stay off of the drug.
Irrespective of type of treatment, successful outcomes with addicts (defined as being clean for one year after the termination of treatment) is realized for 50% of the treated. So, there is an even chance Rush will make it, and an even chance that he won’t. It is a coin toss, for all practical purposes.
It took me a couple of tries to completely give up cigarettes. One drug I was definitely addicted to. The first meet up at Lake Afton was my 5 year birthday being free of cigarettes. I don’t how I did it, other than I became convinced they could kill me if I did not quit.
DD,Ditto on the cig quit. I was up to 3 packs a day when I decided to quit cold turkey. I think I ran through a couple of forests chewing on toothpicks as a sub. It worked, and I’ve been smoke free for over ten years. But damn, they still smell good.
GregYour right, the “Star Spangle Banner” is all right to be written in other language. But in this case it was written for the sole purpose of sticking their finger in the eye of the leagle Americans, that I resent.Like I say it can be written in any language but when it is played/sung in public I want to hear it in English.
ENGLISH – America’s official language!
NO ENCOMBENTS
Americans will work at any job when paid a decent wage !
Hey Guy not only is it in spanish but they changed the WORDS. I am trying to get the “new lyrics”
Right now I am watching SNL and it is killer hilarious.
“ENGLISH – America’s official language!”
Ce qui ?!
Guy, Amériques ont parlé dès le début plusieurs langues. D’où pensez-vous Lousiana “Créole” êtes-vous venu ?
Give me a break, Rage. You know I don’t speak Russian.
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So there!
So there!
ARGH! the dreaded double post. Think I’ll go slit my wrists!
Chalk up another casualty to the ‘bot filter.
“President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.”
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/04/media-finally-starting-to-report.html
Time to wake up, people.
J R here.
I’m sorry I’ve been away.
I saw no conflicts for attending a meet-up from my last.
And so……
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN AND CHILDREN OF ALL RELIGIONS…..
COME ONE COME ALL TO THE SECOND MEET UP FOR WEblog!!!
The meet up begins at 3:30 PM Saturday May 13 at Watson Park. We have a shelter so only the worst of storms can stop this. And if you are afraid of “storms” you wouldn’t be posting here! There is a grill near by. There is also a playground for folks with kids. A lake is less than 40 feet away in case you want to fish…. or cut bait or pitch someone in. Parking is plentiful.
Rage,Thanks for covering my behind on the links. Busy weekend (I know…who’s isn’t).
Looking forward to the meetup5/13 at 3:30!!!!!I may have to make a double batch of brownies from the sounds of things – and that’s fine – went to Sam’s and stocked up on flour and sugar :)
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“The United States does not have an official language; nevertheless, American English (referred to in the US as simply English) is the language used for legislation, regulations, executive orders, treaties, federal court rulings, and all other official pronouncements. Additionally, one must demonstrate an ability to read, write, and speak English to become a naturalized citizen. Many individual states and territories have also adopted English as their official language:
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Louisiana (English and French),New Mexico (English and Spanish),Hawaii (Hawaiian English and Hawaiian),Puerto Rico (Spanish and English),Guam (Chamorro and English),American Samoa (Samoan and English);And one is officially trilingual:
Northern Mariana Islands (English, Chamorro, and Carolinian).”
More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_in_the_United_States
And tons more if you google “U.S. Official language”
By asking this here, I am sort of doing it before I ask for feedback while I’m asking for feedback!
That confusingly said,
Do we want to encourage the editors to attend the meet up??
Sure! Come one, come all! The more the merrier!!!
That being said, we may need to promise not to throw them in the lake.:)I think that special dunking may be reserved for bullet boy:)
JR, I think we should ALL invite the WE editors, and anyone else from the WE brave enough to attend our little meet up. We should all accordingly be on our best behavior. And… we cant rant with our mouths full anyway. heheh.
. . .and, once again, I encourage The Crowsons to show up with stringed devices in hand (but that’s just my personal thang!).
I’ll just stroll through now and again with my shameless “shilly” new nic
That’s 4 votes in the affirmative for inviting the editors. No nays yet.
Maybe Crowson can do a cartoon.
Not hearing from a lot of people as to whether they are attending. If you were waiting for this to get nailed down it is now done so. I got the shelter permit to prove it.
Sounds good.
So far the votes are 5 in favor of inviting the editors and none against.Anybody else?
We are sharing this large meet up shelter with other groups. My hope is that there will already be a fire from a departing group for us to use. But I am bringing charcoal. We will have our own grill. Big one.
I THINK electrical outlets are available if anyone has a use for one. I’ll find out as to that and let everyone know.—–
PONDER THIS:
If you can start the day without caffeine,If you can get along without pep pills,If you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains,If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles,If you can eat the same food every day and be grateful for it,If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you time,If you can overlook it when those you love take their frustrations out on you,If you can take criticism and blame without resentment,If you can face the world without deceit,If you can conquer tension without medical help,If you can relax without liquor,If you can sleep without the aid of drugs,If you can honestly say that deep in your heart you have no prejudice against creed, color, religion, or gender preference,
THEN you will have reached the same level of development as your DOG.(sorry sensitive cat lovers).
heheh sam. The more I know about humans, the better I like my dog.
Arf!Arf! The more I know of you, the more I like me too.
Just passing thru again to see what’s cookin’. Nothing worthwhile except the above post to ponder by kssam. Yeah, we all need to BE more dog-like, not to just LIKE dogs.
Another thing to ponder -I like dog-like cats, andcats who like dogs are like me because I like dogs too.
Needing directions to Watson Park?
There’s a well-marked entrance on 31st street between Broadway and McLean. Turn north on Lawrence Rd. and you’ll be there.
JR, do you know the shelter #?
Yes I do RD. It is shelter #1. This is the large shelter on the west side of the lake.
There is only one entrance to the park. On entering you can turn right or left. (or if you are REALLY adventurous, you can drive straight ahead into the lake)
You will want to turn left. Follow the road around the lake to the large shelter by the playground. I’ll be there early and maybe have a sign or something.
Editors? Other bloggers? YOU ARE INVITED!! You don’t have a reason to come? Do you have one not to? Can you prove it? Got a link?
JR -Are you gonna show your age and say “Be there or be square”?lol:)
Nah, JR will more likely say, “Hey, dudes, like be there or . . . like don’t, dudes.”
Dang, I wish I could be there. Sounds like there’s going to be a bigger turn out and there are so many of you I’d love to meet. I’m really going to miss your potato salad and sense of humor Frmgrl!!Hopefully it won’t be too long until the next one.
Damoon, it wont be the same without you and your hubby and your baked beans. Maybe you can pick up some ‘tater salad on the way out or the way back? I hear it’s good for altitude sickness.
What do I need to bring?
JR could answer this better Joe, but whatever you want to bring will be fine. Chips if you dont cook, your specialty if you do. Meat for the grill, whatever.
Just bring yourself so we can meet you!
Damn Damoon, I ‘m dissapointed that you won’t be there.
Could you drop off the baked beans anyway? ;)
Agreed Joe bring you. And bring your tower stuff.
As to food I am still working on that. I promise to have an answer as to what is needed by next Thursday.
The blog seems to be getting many new people just the last few days. I want as many as possible to be able to attend. And they will be hungry. So we need to know how many to feed.
Shall we get the call out for the editors? Beyond what I’m doing I mean.
Damoon I am sorry you can’t be there.
Will any WE editors be tossed into the lake?
V.L.R.B!!!
No Ian, some of us ( NOT ME!!) already think some of them are all wet. Redundancy does not become a theme for a picnic.
“Will any WE editors be tossed into the lake?”
PROBABLY not, LOL!
{YES, it’s a JOKE!}
I suppose we could send them private e-mails, though I know that they read these posts (I can even recall Phillip responding in a post to one of codie’s dumber comments). Since they’re in the public eye all the time, though, they may not want to show up in a public place and be greeted by anyone who can read this blog, ya know?
I think some of the editors may come Rage. A little bird told me they are very pleased with the success of WEblog.
WE are that success.
Tomorrow, I will further invite them.
Heheh. No throwing anyone in the lake! NO wet t-shirt contests!! Besides, someone may be packing concealed heat, and we dont want to get their guns all wet and soggy. heheh.
I do hope the editors will surprise us with a cameo appearance. Maybe the food editor could come along? :)
JR, I can bring some hot dogs and buns just in case we have too many people and not enough food. I’m bringing purple fried chicken and tater salad and homemade salsa. In honor of Damoon I can bring baked beans too, but they wont be as good as hers. CF is bringing ribs, Walker is bringing special sausages :) Julie is bringing brownies for desert, the non-electric kind :(.
If people want to grill, they can bring raw meat, although that may not be advisable with us bloggers. We like raw meat waaaaayyyyy too much already! (Personally, I love good ediorial carpaccio!)
And of course it is the farmer worrying about everyone being fed. I love stone soup and a good lutheran potluck!!!!
Most people don’t know that back in 1912, Hellmann’s mayonnaise wasmanufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise everdelivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not makeit to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargowas forever lost.The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and wereeagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day ofMourning, which they still observe to this day.The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and isknown, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.
I got this as an email and had to share.roflmao:)
OHhh Julie….
OkKfg? You think the farmer has to worry about feeding everyone? This thing tanks in anyway and it’s gonna “be who gets to shoot the promoter namely, J R.”
So I will get you all the help I can on the food.
Editors? Oh EDitors???
Can you see a story here?You have to have read about Kfg’s potato salad by now.
LMAO JR, I dont think my ‘tater salad is anymore newsworthy than the rumor that the gov is somehow communicating with the kansas supremes.
Not that I would mind if the food editor showed up… heheheh.
“Not that I would mind if the food editor showed up” Why, are we into cannibalism now?
Is this a dry event or are beverages of an alcohlic nature allowed?
V.L.R.B!!
Ok this thread is just not contentious enough.
Editors, fellow bloggers riddle me this. Is there anyone who just will not come to the meetup? Sing out.Are ya shy?
Don’t like the outdoors?
Allergic to potato salad?
Afraid of “mixed nuts”?If ya got reservations, make ‘em known. We’ll address ‘em.
I think this thing is gonna be a lot of fun! It’s waaaay bigger than the last meetup.
And while I am very grateful to the fellow blogger who set that one up,he is not able to attend this one. I also owe him a “shot”.
So come on out and make “ours bigger than his”!
Ian,It is against city code to permit alcoholic consumption on city property. However, bring a cup and hide the cooler.I had a keg at my wedding reception that was held at Kiwanis Park (also city owned), we just kept it in the back of a pickup.——I’m personally not into cannibalism however the recipies Joe Stumpe has in the paper are usually delicious!——I know my previous post was a bit in poor taste but I LOVE bad jokes and couldn’t resist. Besides I can’t be politically correct all the time. :)
“Is this a dry event or are beverages of an alcohlic nature allowed?”
Nada on that, dude. Alcoholic beverages are verboten in the park.
I hope Brer Rabbit shows up anyway! :)
Regrettably no Ian.Hope that doesn’t put ya off. I know folks would like to meet you.
Little oversight on my part in the planning.
Maybe the next meet up we can have some liquid conversational enhancements.
Viva la meetup
“So come on out and make “ours bigger than his”!”
So JR, is this anything that Hank can do you can do better?
lol:)
As much fun as it sounds like, I think I’ll pass. There’s so many things I’d rather do, like pull my fingernails out, or nail my foot to the floor.
Why would I go to meet the people in person who habitually spew so much vitriol on this blog? (yes, that’s folks on both sides of the political fence)
The only advantage I can think of is that many here are very unlikely to say the kind of things face to face that they routinely say behind the anonymity of a computer screen. Perhaps getting to know people face to face will lead to less nastiness online. Or, perhaps not, as the Hank/JR episode shows.
In any case, have fun.
“DINSDALE!!”
J R,
CF in, CF there, CF bringing RIBS. Two racks. And if they turn out shitty, as can sometimes happen, well, bad ribs are like bad pizza or bad sex: still pretty good.
And even though JR has ruled that there’ll be no throwing of anyone into the lake, the briar patch may get some action if Brer Rabbit shows up.
GMC70, the last meet did indeed make people “less nasty”. We were waaaay worse before. Wanna see nasty? Check the archives for the first 3 months of the blog.
Funny how it’s the conservatives that seem to be afraid to come, being such a tough-talking crowd and all.
How’s that for nasty? ;)
Please Mr CF, don fro dis po bunny into da lake! Afta all, what’s I eva dun ta y’all? Po ole Brer Rabbit! his frens wants ta fro him in da lake.
Ifn ole Brer Rabbit go inta da lake, he gonna haf lots o company sho nuf!
Aw Julie I did say I was just gonna take a little shot.
Gotcha CF. And I have NO POWER to prevent throwing people into the lake!
I too hope the briar patch folks show up.
I just didn’t want the editors to be put off.
XXX is right GMC.
Hey GMC? Joe Williams is coming. He was sorry he missed the last one. Take what you have endured for the last couple months and multiply it by about 10 and you get some idea what he is willing to “face”.
Truth is the last meet up was more talk about the blog and people on it. Not alot of politics discussed. So folks can come and JOIN the conversation or BE the conversation!
CF don be frowin no Brer Rabbit ina lake. Brer Tar Baby so nuff be stikin ta CF more betta den dem ribs o his. Izs kin hole ma breth fo long time, CF, how long yu be holdin youse when we bof be inna lake?
SHOOT!!!
Did “Brer” bunny just out hisself?lmao!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll bring bunny food if it will console Brer Rabbit:)
LOLOLOLOL. Walker, I already suspected it was you. Seriously, no one else is that clever with the writing! heheh.
I love food editors, especially with a little salt and pepper…
Ian, if I sneak a little lime juice in a plain cup, will you bring the rum? I also have sugar but not good cuban sugar. Please say you will be there Ian.
…and gmc. ever above the fray.
CF, dont forget the upright bass? heheh. Cant wait for the ribs, and like you, no such thing as bad ones.
Julie, do you need someone to bring additional dessert?
Darlin’ I was planning on multiple batches of brownies and probably cookies (choc chip or snickerdoodles), nice finger desserts so if you wanna bring something go for it. The more the merrier (or yummier in this case).
I’m not a baker Julie, but people keep asking what to bring.
Besides, I bet your baking skills are such that I would not prove my unworthiness in a face to face competition.
I really think an Iron Chef thing would be fun someday. Maybe after you can drink again? :) I dont drink but it might help me win if you did!
DD, I am sorry you have to work :(
I’ll be bringing a healthy dose of brer crow:-), as well as german sausage and swedish potato sausage.
SO THATS WHO THAT WAS!
Oh man that stuff was funny Walker. I love when I asked about brer chickenhawk.
I thought maybe it was Rage or you or Ian. XXX thought it was me at one point.
Here lately I was starting to think it was someone entirely new.
Too funny!
At the risk of enduring more animosity, I must agree with GM on this one. Two reasons:
First, if people in person are so much nicer than online, then something somewhere is phoney.
Second, if people in person are the same as here, then I have no interest in being called a Nazi, or accused of vandalizing a barn or whatever else comes up in person.
The vitriolic comments on here, the personal attacks based on a different political philosophy are beyond my comprehension. Disliking a political point of view is not license to insult, accuse or belittle someone.
I honestly hope you have a good time. The food sounds good and the idea is fabulous. Enjoy!
Heh, heh, heh. Y’all cought ole Brer Tarbaby, But yo sho nuf gotta git up perty early in da mornin to catch yosef ole Brer Rabbit. Dis ole bunny be jes a hoppin an a skippin still!Miss Julie, ah hops y’all still be a bringin that there bunny vittles. I’se a maght hungry readn bout all dat good stuff ta eat.KFG, I be tellin ya, I’se a hopper, not a Walker.Mr JR, I spect yo gonna hafta keep a cypherin on dis one. Dis ole bunny still be a runnin lose!
Well hush mah mouf, I done jes read da part bout dem snickerdoodles. I jes loves snickerdoodles!MMMmmmmmmmmm!
J M Walker,
I stand in awe. Unmitigated, unadulterated, pure, frickin’ awe.
Brer Rabbit,
Sir, my only point was that you, as sole proprieter of the briar patch, would be the one doing the throwing as you saw fit.
raptor,
“Disliking a political point of view is not license to insult, accuse or belittle someone.”
Indeed. But given the decade-long climate of toxic persecution and denunciation of the Left by the Right, the vitriol on here should come as NO surprise. When the Left starts acting like Ann Coulter, denouncing conservatives and saying they should be killed, you will have a point.
Welst, Brer Raptor . . . awww shucks, Guess I’ll just be myself for a change:
Raptor, you got the wrong idea about this whole setup. There is nothing phony about any of these posts, except maybe my bad jokes.
People in person are going to be a bit different from what they are blogging. We talked little about the site, and instead talked about everyday things. Finding out about people is way different than reading their blogs.
I don’t think any of us knew Hank trained sheep dogs, or Damoon and her husband love to hike in the Rockies. We’re all just regular people and a cross section of America. If we can’t find something in common in that, there is a serious problem with the general population of this country. Join us: you just mught find you like us.
Dis be jes lik in da story. Like ole Brer Bear, y’all done thot ya had ole Brer Rabbit, an all ya got fer yer trouble wuz a hanful o tar.Heh, heh, heh. I gues you folks’ll hafta wait on da pic-i-nic ta fin out who ole Brer Rabbit is.
Sose yu seed, kfg, there be more den jus ole me what has a way wid dem words now, sho nuff.
Hehehe! You know, Walker, I kept playing around with that little clue you dropped, the “drinksallaround” theme, hoping I could get more info (I’ve seen that “address” before, you sly devil!).
Raptor, I do think you’ve gotten beaten up a bit more than you earned. I understand how you feel. I even wrote in a private e-mail that I felt bad about you taking the “rap” for the entire conservative movement on DU (I still loved CF’s post on general principles, but you weren’t exactly the most deserving foil. . . ).
Within my first two weeks here, Walker and I had a shouting match about something. It’s an opinionated group. As you can see, we hate each other now! :-) And I haven’t even met the man in the flesh yet.
You might reconsider.
Rage, I sho nuff be Brer Tar Baby, but I sho nuff don be no Brer Rabbit. Nows, Iz kin sez Iz do sum thins jes bout as gud as ole Brer Rabbit (dems da bes tree seconds babe ya eber gonna git), but puts me inna briar patch, en iz done be al ober dem pokers sho nuff. Ole Brer Rabbit, now him kin makes his self ta home in them pokers en him don git no pokers in his self.
Oh, never mind!
Well, folks, I just proved twice in one day that I can’t friggin’ read. Oh well.
Mr. Rabbit, you can’t search the archives for e-mail addresses, or (maybe) I’d ALREADY have you pegged. :) But my failing memory only recognized the fact, not the association–it’s been too long!.
The folks on the right a little nervous about attending,,,,,,,
Hmmmmmm
I got an idea or two rattling around in my head about that and how we might “accomodate” them.
They are rough though. I might be back with them a bit later.
Anyone else got ideas? I mean just beyond telling them how nice we REALLY are?
JR,1. We leave our WMD home.2. We all tie our lefthands behind our backs.3. We listen to Barry Manilow CD’s.4. We wear name tags with WWBD (what would bush do) listed below our names.5. NO purple BBQ chicken.6. Excessive drooling is encouraged.7. Speaking in tongues only with religious overtones.
I don’t know, JR. I could have my parole officer assure them I haven’t ripped anyone’s lungs out and served them in mint sauce for years. My therapist says I can probably be trusted with string again.
I don’t think it’s just intimidation at being outnumbered (though that’s a big part of it, I’m sure). I think they’re genuinely pissed, and I’m not sure how to remedy that.
I could point how bare-knuckled debates on BBS’s in the old days got–and we usually used our real names. In private messages, we were still friends (for the most part!). I don’t think it’ll be enough.
I could point out, like KFG has, that us liberal-to-independent types are far from uniform in our views. E.g., I certainly haven’t spared you from my wrath on the subject of immigration, now have I?
That hasn’t worked either.
So I dunno.
Mr Rage, ah know yo one smart fella, but gots ole Brer Rabbit pegged?Well mebbe so, mebbe no. Ben lots o folk what thot dey had dis ole bunny, but I’se still aroun. Ifn yo gonna guess who ah is, yo gonna haft ta warm up cuz yo maghty cold rat now.
It’s too bad about the conservatives. There’s several I’d like to meet.
Conservatives, I’m sorry you feel that way. I really am. I try to compartmentalize my politics. Some of my best friends are republicans.
“Ifn yo gonna guess who ah is, yo gonna haft ta warm up cuz yo maghty cold rat now.”
Hehe, okay, Mr. Rabbit! I’ll admit you just threw my only clue into the briar patch. Hmmm. . . .
“Some of my best friends are republicans.”
It’s pretty much impossible to NOT have Republican friends, if you live in Kansas.
Sigh……..
Other battles other threads.
Here are my ideas to accomodate the conservatives so they can come to the meetup.
Renounce bush and swear a blood oath to vote for Democrats for the rest of your life.
I’m kidding. Long day and battles of my own.
Idea 1) Why does ANYONE have to be publicly known? There are only 6 people from the last meet up attending this one. Anyone else can be as anonymous as they like.
Idea 2) Meet up “buddies” XXX is a big guy and respected.Before the last meet up he advised me to treat it more as a social occasion than a political fight. He is pro gun. I think he will get your back raptor and maybe you too GMC.Outlander has not been heard from. I think Walker would stand up for him or at least behind him.
Nathan and Hank cannot be there. My oldest other “dance” partner is Heckler. I’m calling you out Heckler.
Surely Ruby must want to meet kfg.
Shocker07? I can’t guess your politics. Tara is about your age. Joe Williams shares your vision for Wichita. Let’s hear from you.
It’s a meet up not a beat up. Don’t like the conversation with the person next to you there are plenty more folks to talk to.
A stray cat I adopted just had kittens. And here I am late at night herding cats.
I hope everybody makes it to the meet up at least for a little bit. If you don’t like us, that’s fine, we won’t hold you hostage and you can leave whenever you desire.If things get to rough, I’m sure someone will back you up even though they might not agree with you but personal attacks aren’t cool in person.
As for me, I am who I am. I make no pretentions about that. I use my real first name simply because too many monikers have a tendency to confuse me. I should come up with something amusing like Ron White’s Tater Salad but I’m not that clever and haven’t had any good suggestions. (Sh*thead and B*tch don’t count as a good suggestions so don’t bother.):)I hope y’all make it!!
JR,I still am planning on dropping by sometime, without my Kevlar. I turned all that stuff in when I retired from the NG last year. Egg salad on my face- I can handle , but only if it’s the good stuff I keep hearing about. Thanks for the good work in getting this thing flying.
G
I think the cons dont want to come because they think we are gonna tease them mercilessly about their boy bush, rush, iraq, culture of corruption, school finance, etc. It is really hard to defend those positions these days.
They also know how the lefties have been treated, as CF said, and they dont really want any of their own wingnut medicine.
Truth is, the meet up conversations I was in were all about PEOPLE not issues. Who we are, what we do, info that we dont mind sharing but wouldnt post up on the internet.
I think some folks wont be there because they showed their asses her in one post or another and they are embarassed. Others dont want to be known as real people, just nics on the screen. That is their right by informal internet protocol.
The pattern I see on this particular blog, on both sides, is that stupidity and playing loose with the facts will get you sent back to square one immediately. I think that is the great part about blogging. No BS tolerated on either side.
Some folks on both sides just dont like to be called on BS. They wanna stick with their positions, no matter what the facts are in reality. I’d say this blog is not for you.
And as for the lefties being so mean, that is yet another meme.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_atrios_archive.html#114677770769523916
Note the comment that it isnt liberal bloggers comparing their opponents to terrorists and traitors.
Oh, and just to get the ball rolling, check out the latest AP poll results, which will undoubtably be too lefist leaning for some of you.
Seems that the CONSERVATIVES are abandoning bush in droves. I think they are gonna need more than gays and mexicans to hate to bring their base back to bushco.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060505/ap_on_el_ge/republicans_ap_poll
KFG..you prove my point. I stated very clearly my reasons for not attending..and you go and ascribe other motivations. You have no basis for your speculations, yet you put them out there anyway.
Yes Ray, it is called opinion. But unlike the cons here, I dont paint it as fact.
If the shoe doesnt fit ya know, you dont have to wear it. You were never personally called out on the barn graffiti. I can re-post the link if you have forgotten, which clearly you have not.
If you take every general post personally, no wonder you wont attend. You really must have your feelings hurt. I am very sorry that it is personal for you, and sorry that I wounded you so deeply that you cant get over it. I am sorry you wont meet these really nice people.
No wonder you think something is phoney if every post about conservatives is directed at YOU.
KFG, conservatives look at life a lot different than we do. We dissagree with them. They hate and fear us.That’s why the GOP spin machine is so effective with them. Conservatives live in constant fear. Fear of terrorists, fear of foreginers, fear of Liberals, etc.
heheh XXX. And since you have met me in person, you know how scarey I really am… BOOOOOOGGGEEER
Well I’ve played to diplomacy. But Kfg brings up an interesting point. Maybe some folks (not accusing anyone specifically) prefer total anonymity in this forum. As kfg said that IS their perogative.
Last meetup I didn’t want to attend because there were some folks there who I had been in violent blog disagreement with. A friend on my side advised that I had been at these folks a long time and he thought I’d jump at the chance to confront them personally. To be more direct he called “chikenshit” on me.
Does that call apply here?
Some on the right have been beyond nasty to some on the left. Why not come and prove to yourself that kfg doesn’t have horns? And I think CrusaderX once speculated that I and kfg were the same person!
Maybe it’s easier to hate or malign people you have never met.
By the way? I went to that meetup and there were no confrontations. Now to be fair I arrived late. There may have been bloodshed before I arrived. I saw no evidence of it.
I also stayed late, after all the other “liberals” were gone. Outnumbered 2 to 1, I was not set upon. Not there anyway:)
It’s just a picnic folks. If your rhetoric can’t stand the light of day in the face of your “enemy” well…….
Hey its ok stay away. It says more about you then the folks who don’t. Besides, it’s easier to bash on ya if you aint there!
Well, I know that *I* am positively TERRIFYING in person!
Just ask guy from up north.
JR
You almost had me convinced, and I still might make it. Nervous? No. Worried that my opinions won’t survive the light of day? Not a bit, in fact, we’d probably be more in agreement than you might think.
And yes, those who come are the least likely to be overtly hostile in person.
Then you tossed in the last line:”Hey its ok stay away. It says more about you then the folks who don’t. Besides, it’s easier to bash on ya if you aint there!”
and much of the goodwill went away.
Of course, you also wrote, in another thread “I have something of a respected voice here.” You may think so, some might. I’ve seen little evidence of it.
Oh well. I might make it anyway. It would be interesting to put a face to the words. What time? 3:30? That just gives me time to get to the range and put 400-500 rounds through the day’s gun of choice first!
Maybe we could talk choice of CC gear. ;-)
How big a boy are ya Rage?I’m nine feet tall and I weigh about 375. I eat lightning and I crap thunder! I recall not likin’ your take on immigration. Maybe I needs to bring me a can or two of wupass to this shindig.
XXX
You should know better.
“KFG, conservatives look at life a lot different than we do. We dissagree with them. They hate and fear us.”
I’ll agree with the first part of that. I most certainly disagree with the second. It is you who equate disagreement with hate, generally for political purposes.
And “fear?” Not a bit. Would I not like the society you would construct? Possibly; the same may be true in reverse. But fear? Not at all.
Sigh………
Interesting post GMC.
I’ll skip your attacks on me in the interest of diplomacy. Also ’cause they are no more relevant than usual.”and then all the good will went away”
Got a sense of humor GMC?
I’ll show ya mine if you show me yours.
“How big a boy are ya Rage?”
MERCER? That really you?
“XXX
You should know better.”
I’m betting you won’t prove me wrong.
GMC, quit your whining and panty wetting and just come to the damn picnic. You’ll have a good time, and you need to get out of the house. Take the chip off your shoulder and leave it at home; you won’t need it. You won’t regret meeting JR in person…he’ll crack you up!
Kellogg Traffic Jam!
I was driving home Friday, May 5th on East Kellogg when I began seeing flashing police lights over on the west-bound side. No, they weren’t after me. There were 4, by my count, Wichita Police cars with cars pulled over just after the Hillside interchange about 2:15pm. A little farther up the road I saw 2 policemen up in the fenced-in walkway that straddles that road, one with a radar gun pointed toward the west-bound traffic and one with a clipboard, I can only assume writing down license plates as they passed by. On the entrance ramp, there were 5 more Wichita Police cars poised to intercept speeders.
It made me stop and think and ask myself several questions.
What amount of speeding warrants this extravagant deployment of resources? 2, 3 or 5 mph over the limit?
Does it have any positive effect besides providing an alternative revenue stream for the city? Or does the city have so much of an over-abundance of police personnel that it can allocate them to such a focused effort?
What other crimes, like bank robbery, burglary, rape or murder, or maybe people driving around talking on their cell phones and not paying attention to their driving, were occurring while these 9 Wichita Police Cruisers and their complement of officers (estimated two per car plus 2 on the bridge = 20 officers) were handing out tickets?
Is this type of push effective for detection of other crimes that are “spotted” during such a stop? Like no seat belts? Drugs? Littering? (The last one definitely needs enforcement considering the look of my front yard from all the trash thrown out by cars running down my street!)
I realize that these officers are, for the most part, not responsible for such a “show of force”, and that the orders to mount such an “offensive” come from up the line. But I wonder if the community would not be better served with less of these events. The public perception of police “picking” on motorists would certainly diminish with fewer occurrences such as this. (Wouldn’t it be nice if more people thought more kindly about our police officers, instead of fearing or loathing them for taking such actions against the regular “Joe’s” out there just trying to get to where they are going?) And I wonder if the officers themselves would rather spend their time doing what might be seen as service to the public, not abuse of the citizen.
Just some thoughts.
Robin White
Concerned Wichita Citizen
Robin..
WPD stats show that they average 40 tickets an hour in one of those efforts…with the average speed being close to 70 with several people exceeding 80MPH every time they do that.
A couple miles an hour is no big deal…20 or 30 over is…especially when they rear end your car–as happened to a co-worker of mine.
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