Iran has watched and learned from how the United States has handled the two other members of the axis of evil: Have no weapons of mass destruction (Iraq) and expect invasion. Have nukes (North Korea) and expect nothing but tough talk. Now, what must Iran and other dangerous states think of the hospitality the United States is showing Chinese President Hu Jintao this week? The likely message we’re delivering: Have nukes, deny human rights but be a fat enough trading partner, and your leader, too, can dine with Bill Gates and other dignitaries, tour Boeing and Yale University, and be the welcome guest of a U.S. president.
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You could add the US treatment of India to your list.
China and North Korea have nukes and icbms and they have threatened to use them against us. Of course, neither of those countries is a threat to the israeli parasite and they don’t have oil so we give them a pass, how sweet.
V.L.R.B!!
Randi joined Lou Dobbs yesterday and talked about the upcoming test in Nevada. This is just great.
Rhodes: What do we do? If every single camera that’s available in the media — cable- wide, network-wide — is not in Nevada at the nuclear test site on June 2nd to watch 1.4 millions pounds of explosives be blown up so they can do the math and figure out how to make a tactical nuke, a smaller nuclear weapon that will represent that much firepower for Iran –
If we don’t show America this mushroom cloud that will explode in Nevada on the 2nd of June, there is no hope for the American people, there is no hope for the media.
You asked me last time I was here, Who’s fault is it? And I said, “It’s our fault; it’s the media’s fault.” We have to tell this story. This president is manifestly insane. Donald Rumsfeld is insane.
Sorry, forgot the link to the transcript. Read the part about Josh Bolton’s hobby. It is collecting pictures of Bush’s hands. And we think he will shake up the white house?
http://virtualmatter.blogspot.com/2006/04/randi-rhodes-on-lou-dobbs-tonight-6pm.html
The world considers Zionist Israel to be the most dangerous State and the greatest threat to world peace. And their right as Israeli newspapers are full of “lets go to war.”
This thread begins: “Now, what must Iran and other “dangerous” states think of the hospitality the United States is showing ,” and is prefaced with that “axis of evil” garbage.
Perhaps if we stop parading Israeli propaganda for the world to see, we might get-on with some serious talks about peace.
Why am I the only one who writes about pursuing peace instead of using the rogue State of Zionist Israel’s dangerous warmongering rabble rousing threatening speech?
Iran is not posing any threat to the world or its neighbors so why the suggestion they’re some sort problem, while they’ve shown to be responsible with their military power.
You don’t need to ask what Iran thinks as anybody with the sense to come in out of the rain knows Israel is the problem, 6 decades worth, and millions of dead Arabs and refugees.
Ariel Sharon: “they may have the oil but we have the matches.”
Americans know all about their crazy man in the White House and the psychopaths running Israel, and unless you failed the third grade you should know that as well.
Good God get real.
The whole nuclear test in Navada is nothing but a precurser to the invasion of Iran and the use of tactical nuclear weapons there. “Dr. Strangelove” Bush has got to be out of his mind. There is NO way this can be allowed to happen. It’s freakin Iraq with nukes all over again. He IS going to do it unless congress has the huevos to stop him.
If they don’t and Bush continues on with this madness, then the whole of congress needs to be put up for trial.
The US is turning into a police state because of the paranoia of this prez. Just ask the family of the late Jack Anderson. And we got three years more of this madman?
I’m going to, again, include some interesting links on a third party: The Purple Party:http://www.nymag.com/news/politics/16713/http://newyorkmetro.com/news/politics/16742/
This is some serious caca, people, and if you read the links, I think you will agree that both the reposessors and the demogogues need to go.
Walker is absolutely right.
In addition I submit:
The “crazy man must be restrained along with that loony Secretary of State. All the Zionist infiltrators must be locked-up, and charged with Treason.
Congress needs to get busy right now, this minute and start earning their keep.
This country is in gave danger from within and Bush must be removed from office before he starts WWlll.
If anyone out there watches FSTV (free speech tv, Dish network), there is a program on right now called weapons of mass deception. A bone chilling look at the war in Iraq, and the way the press failed to question the bs coming out of Washington.
Duh, the jews own most of the media and the war was fought for israel, go figure! 2+2=4 every time
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!!
Does the hypocrisy never end? China has one of the worst records of human rights abuses and not only to we welcome them into the free trade market with open arms, we give them our jobs. Tell me, what IS the difference between Saddam and Hu Jintao?
The difference damoon? Saddam had oil we figured we could easily steal. Hu has consumers and workers we want him to keep in line for us.
The program “TankMan” on PBS Frontline was quite interesting; particularly about how bad working conditions have become for displaced peasants.
All can be forgiven if you have something the other person wants.China has the goods that we “want” so it’s ok to have sweatshops and all the human rights violations(tongue in cheek)money and power rule the world Damoon, you know it and I know it.
Walker, you’re so right! As I’ve said before, expect a bombing attack on Iran timed to affect the November elections. Bush doesn’t need permission from anybody to order a nuclear strike. There’s no doubt in my mind that’s exactly what he’s planning. If he does, he needs to stand trial for war crimes.
You have to love the hypocrisy of Dear Leader Bush issuing threats to use nuclear weapons on another country in order to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Why is Israel allowed to have nukes but not Iran, they are both global threats, it is all a matter of perspective.
Scary shit, people. Dollars to donuts this thing is going to happen.
How did we get here? Well, when oligarchs are allowed to steal an American Presidential election, they tend to become emboldened.
Here’s what Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, the devil rest his soul, foretold back in 2000. Read it and weep, my dears.
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The New Dumb
Something is happening hereBut you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
– Bob Dylan
No sir, not a chance. Mr. Jones does not even pretend to know what’s happening in America Right now, and neither does anyone else.
We have seen weird Times in this country before, but the year 2000 is beginning to look super weird. This time there really is nobody flying the plane….We are living in dangerously weird times now. Smart people just shrug and admit they’re dazed and confused. The only ones left with any confidence at all are the New Dumb. It is the beginning of the end of our world as we knew it. Doom is the operative ethic.
The autumn months are never a calm time in America. Back to Work, Back to Football Practice, etc….Autumn is a very Traditional period, a time of strong Rituals and the celebrating of strange annual holidays like Halloween and Satanism and the fateful Harvest Moon, which can have ominous implications for some people.
Autumn is always a time of Fear and Greed and Hoarding for the winter coming on. Debt collectors are active on old people and fleece the weak and helpless. They want to lay in enough cash to weather the known horrors of January and February. There is always a rash of kidnapping and abductions of schoolchildren in the football months. Preteens of both sexes are traditionally seized and grabbed off the streets by gangs of organized perverts who traditionally give them as Christmas gifts to each other to be personal sex slaves and playthings.
Most of these things are obviously Wrong and Evil and Ugly — but at least they are Traditional. They will happen. Your driveway will ice over, your furnace will blow up, and you will be rammed in traffic by an uninsured driver in a stolen car.
But what the hell? That’s why we have Insurance, eh? And the Inevitability of these nightmares is what makes them so reassuring. Life will go on, for good or ill. But some things are forever, right? The structure may be a little Crooked, but the foundations are still strong and unshakable.
Ho ho. Think again, buster. Look around you. There is an eerie sense of Panic in the air, a silent Fear and uncertainty that comes with once-reliable faiths and truths and solid Institutions that are no longer safe to believe in….There is a Presidential Election, right on schedule, but somehow there is no President. A new Congress is elected, like always, but somehow there is no real Congress at all — not as we knew it, anyway, and whatever passes for Congress will be as helpless and weak as whoever has to pass for the “New President.”
In the world of sports, it is like playing a Super Bowl that goes into 19 scoreless Overtimes and never actually Ends…or four LA Lakers stars being murdered in different cities on the same day. Guaranteed Fear and Loathing. Abandon all hope. Prepare for the Weirdness. Get familiar with Cannibalism.
Good luck,
DOC
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0684873192/102-0806926-6617768
Gonzo at its highest level. The man could write.
This demonstrates how sick Bush really is.
From Arab News
Israel’s Sinister Motives Behind Gaza OperationsHassan Tahsin, hassan_tahsin@hotmail.comIsrael attacked the Gaza Strip during the past couple of days without any reason or justification. The Israeli Army bombarded the strip with one thousand missiles and bombs throughout three days last week. Gen. Moshe Kaplinsky, deputy chief of the general staff of the Israel Defense Forces, confirmed the bombing by saying that the Israeli artillery fired on Gaza Strip with some 300 missiles a day and it didn’t stop the Palestinian terrorism (legal resistance). The question is: What is the reason for this savagery? Are the Israelis trying to bring the Palestinian resistance to its knees? Are there any other goals behind these horrific operations? I couldn’t find any reasonable explanation for what happened. The only thing I could think of is that Israel is trying to force the Hamas volunteers to carry out suicide operations against Israel. If they do so, the Israeli government would have one more excuse to refuse to deal with Hamas and to continue to describe them as terrorists. Second, it gives Israel the opportunity to announce and impose unilateral steps like determining the final borders of the Jewish state and thereby take over more Palestinian lands and continue building the racist wall.
Israel wasn’t satisfied with the savage bombing. It persuaded Europe to suspend the aid given to Palestinians. The American administration has already done so. They are punishing the Palestinians for electing Hamas though it was done in free elections, which Washington supposedly wants in the greater Middle East. Unfortunately, the United Nations too ended their cooperation with the Palestinian government although it goes against UN principles and covenant. The UN is an international institution that must not be influenced by the political decisions that the United States and the European Union take from time to time.
Following the Israeli Army’s brutal operations in the Gaza Strip, the Arab group in New York submitted a proposal to the Security Council calling on Israel to stop the continuing violence against the Palestinians. Fourteen members of the council supported the motion, but as was only to be expected, the United States vetoed it. The Americans said the proposal was unfair to Israel. What is more, it will “hurt the feelings” of Israelis while they were celebrating the Jewish festival of Passover. Thus the United States gave Israel the green light once again to go ahead with its one-sided steps.
The strange thing is that the White House wants the Arab nations to be democratic and strengthen their relations with Israel. The American administration has always sided with Israel at the expense of Arab countries and Palestinian rights since the founding of the Jewish state on usurped Palestinian lands. The American bias in favor of Israel is such that at times it looks like racial discrimination against Arabs. This would only harm American interests in the long run.
A former US diplomat, John Gunther Dean, admitted as much when he said: “In many ways, the Palestine problem is the most pervasive, complex and dangerous problem in American foreign policy. It is also the most difficult to address because it is so deeply embedded in guilt, emotion and fear as to be almost beyond rational thought.”
He said that Americans, both government officials and private citizens, feel far freer to criticize America, Britain or France without being thought to dislike or oppose the peoples of those countries, but most non-Jews are afraid of being charged with anti-Semitism even if they are only critical of the hard-line policies of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Dean said Israel is no longer, if it ever was, an international charity. “It is a relatively powerful, rich nation-state. It should be analyzed, as its own citizens analyze its actions, in respectful terms.”
Dean, who worked in US foreign service for 50 years, added: “When Israel saw a conflict between its goals and ours, it naturally chose its own. America has seldom done so. At the governmental level we tiptoe around issues, which have severely harmed American interests. Example: the Israeli invasion and occupation of Lebanon was profoundly disturbing to American relations throughout the Middle East; its policy toward the Palestinians has stopped the peace process and certainly promoted terrorism directed at America.”
Can we ever expect a balanced approach from the Americans to a problem that threatens both international security and peace?—–
The point you all are missing.
Why do the Zionists need to call it “terrorism?”
What does it matter what you call it?
It is “resistance,” so why not just call it that?
Zionist-Jews talk about wholesale murder like it is a tea-party.
The general staff is preparing for the state’s reply to the High Court of Justice regarding the reduction of the “security range” for shelling the Gaza Strip. Five human rights organizations have petitioned the court against the state’s recent decision to reduce the “security range” of artillery fire from 300 meters away from Palestinian communities to 100 meters.http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/707692.html
Playing politics with the lives of Palestinian children
IDF General Staff says still too early for head-on clash in GazaBy Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent
The IDF’s policy of firing into the Gaza Strip has raised some controversy among the top brass. Certain senior officers believe the heavy fire is not sufficiently controlled and serves no operative goal.
Why don’t we ask Bush? He’s a “decider”
I hope that the Dems and the Smart Republicans prevent another invasion and push for strong diplomacy if Bush goes down that road again.
If Bush uses Nukes he should be tried and hanged for human rights abuses.
Truly through the looking glass….
Even a scorecard doesn’t help sort this one out.
Iran wants a nuke. Not an unreasonable thing. Many other nations have them. Iran has historically had 2 enemies against which they might use a nuke. One is Iraq. The other is Israel. Currently Iraq is de-facto United States territory. (Just my opinion here but I think that was planned and is not likely to change anytime soon) As such, it can be argued that Iraq has nukes. Of course Israel also has nukes. So for Iran to gain a nuke can be justified as self defense.
Don’t think they need one? Put yourself in their shoes.
Now the thread starts with some strange divergences in the bush administrations take on who and who should not have nuclear weapons. North Korea ok. China really ok. But let’s look further.
Pakistan has nukes. We had sanctions against them because of it. But bush excused those sanctions in exchange for help finding Osama Bin laden. Bin Ladens last suspected location? Safe sound and protected in nuclear armed and now unsanctioned Pakistan!
Of course it would be unfair to turn Pakistan loose on the nuclear playground if you didn’t do the same for their sworn enemy India. bush took care of this VERY nicely by recently selling nuclear technology to India, who is not a member of the Nuclear non proliferation treaty. Balance of terror ‘ya know.
Anybody got anything on Nigeria? Now I am totally fishing in the dark here. But isn’t Nigeria a producer of yellow cake uranium? I mean along with being a major source of oil. Does Nigeria have nuclear plans we are not hearing about? Someone go look would you? That might be educational.
So we come back to Iran. Or maybe some of us end up going to Iran as the case may be. Why can’t Iran have a nuke? Clearly they are years away from one and Israel has demonstrated that they feel they are the only nation in the mideast entitled to this technology when they bombed Iraq for that reason more than 20 years ago. Why the special interest of pResident bush there?
Could it be again that hollow claim of scary bad WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION that he used to invade Iraq? Could it be that even with bases in Iraq, a US presence there is basically useless if Iran decides to close the straits of Hormuz, part of their territorial waters, and shut off the supply of oil to the oil addicted United States? You know a boycott sort of thing like we do.
Or could it be all of those things or none of those things in combination with a need to use an incident/threat/attack to unite a nation behind a failed pResident.
Consider bush before 911. 50 % approval after his “election” Consider bush after 911 67% approval. Is it unfair to ask if the whole Iraq debacle was just an effort to keep a nation united behind a failed pResident in the face of a “threat”? Is it unfair to ask if an attack on Iran is an attempt to against all odds to unite the nation again behind a pResident that in any other context is the worst in history?
One more little thing to consider.
Iran is led by a religious lunatic. This man might get one bomb in 10 years.
The United States is “led” by george bush; a religious lunatic who has BY FAR more and various types of weapons nuclear and otherwise at his disposal than any other leader on the planet.
Who is the real threat here?
JR,
Since you seem to know where OBL is, why are you not telling the authorities?
JR,
I don’t think anyone thinks it is “ok” for China or North Korea to have nukes.
Do you support our building of the missle defense so that is will undermine the threat of nuclear missles from either of those countries?
Nathan, sweetie, the problem with too many countries, or any countries, having nuclear weapons is someone will want to try them out on another country for whatever reason they wish to foist off on the people.
Right now, too many countries have nuclear weapons, and the ones that don’t, want them, as JR stated so well. If we attack Iran with nuclear weapons, it will be open season for every despot, religious ruler and tin pot dictator to find, and use, nuclear weapons as either a first strike or retaliatory move . . .
. . . and all because we used them first. Mutual assured destruction brought to you by that twice non-elected pResident (love it JR) Shrub.
I know you are a loyal American, and I have nothing but respect for your beliefs and your wearing of the uniform. But my respect translates into foolishness when you start talking about using any kind of nuclear weapon on any other country. Even the depleted uranium used in Iraq is wrong. It’s leaving radioactive waste around where children can find it. I hope you will take a long hard look at what you are suggesting, because there is nothing more serious than the use of nuclear weapons. Once used, there is no turning back. Bush will start something that will grow like no cancer you have ever seen before.
Mark my words well, Nathan: If we use nuclear weapons in Iran, Israel will be a radioactive wasteland.
And the seventh Angel poured his bowl into the air and a great voice came from Heaven saying; it is done
MOTHER,
Depleted uranium leaving “radioactive Waste” where children can find it?
The DOD has been using these round for some time.
They have studied their use and have found that the use of Depleted uranium rounds is hardly “radioactive waste” that is dangerous the way you imply.
Are you still actually on the Bush did not get elected kick?
If he didn’t get elected then why is he President?
Sonny, radioactive waste is what depleted uranium is. There is no other way to put it. To play with it is to tempt DNA damage and cancer. Fine thing to leave around for the children of Iraq. But they’re just collateral damage anyway, arnt they?
And just because the DOD says they are ok, does not mean they are. The DOD has some questions to answer itself, such as: why are cluster bombs being used in Iraq. They have been outlawed by the UN for years. The damage done to civilians in Iraq because of their use is nothing short of barbaric.
You may not know it, Nathan dear, but you have been force fed this administrations slant on the war from day one. Bush and company hired hollywoods best to make sure what you hear is what they want you to hear.
For example: The reporters who were embeded with various army and marine platoons were done so that way for a purpose. It is known as the Stockholm syndrome. If you put an unarmed person in with a group of armed people, the unarmed person will eventually gain sympathey and camaraderie with that same group, regardless of the groups political persuasions. Bush and company know this and used it to get what they wanted from the reporters. And it worked. The spin put out by this administration is some of the most thought out and sophisticated spin ever put out by any administration.
What it boils down to, Nathan, is you as well as the rest of America, have been sold a bill of goods. And many bought it. But the secret behind the spin is starting to come out, and like all spin, it eventually stops and falls over. My hope is that it stops before the nukes are launched.
MOTHER,
Yes, of course depleted uranium is radioactive waste. It has not been proven to be harmful.
How do you figure that cluster bombs have been outlawed by the UN?
Do you have any proof of the civilians getting killed by cluster bombs?
It is hardly barbaric.
Cluster bombs are like any other military ordinace which is designed to kill.
Rice comes to the defense of Rumsfeld
What the hell does she know?
http://www.arabworldnews.com/
Nathan, When the bomb explodes some of the depleted uranium become fine dust and that will eventually find its way into the human body. Especially children playing outside, but everybody will be exposed and internalize it.
Collateral damage Ed. He already said he doesnt care about it.
No links handy but I have read a lot about the toxicity of DU. It is two times toxic – heavy metal toxicity and low-level radioactive. One thing that happens is that the metal can vaporize and re-condense as extremely fine particles that are respirable.
I would like to see us back-mix DU with weapons grade and make fuel grade for use in nuclear reactors.
Ben surely you dont suggest pounding swords into plowshears?
You got it! Gee, I think I read something about that someplace …
By the way, this is the core of my pro-nuclear pitch to my friends in Sierra Club.
The dust was shown to pass harmlessly through the human body when inhaled.
Soldiers who were hit with DU fragments through out the history of it’s usage have also shown no side effects.
DU rounds are not as bad as you make them sound when calling them radioactive waste.
Ed,
Which DU bomb are we talking about?
To my knowledge we have DU rounds fired from tanks. Not bombs.
I could be wrong.
KFG,
Why lie? I never said I don’t care about collateral damage.
Nathan,MOTHER does need to apologize. Having heard cluster bombs were outlawed, MOTHER failed to follow up, and has since found it not to be true.
However, sweetie, cluster bombs are anything BUT just another weapon. They kill indiscriminately. The U.S. and British forces have both acknowledged using cluster munitions in Iraq. In total, coalition forces launched nearly 13,000 cluster munitions (air and ground-launched), totaling 1.9 million bomblets or submunitions. There are numerous news reports of injury and death from unexploded cluster munitions in Iraq, and there is growing international concern about the use of these weapons.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-10-cluster-bomb-cover_x.htmhttp://www.mcc.org/clusterbomb/iraq/index.htmlhttp://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE140652003http://www.itvs.org/bombies/bombs.html
Believe what you will, Nathan, but cluster bombs should be outlawed.
Depleted uranium, as Ben said, Vaporizes when it is fired and contacts a hardened site. Those vapors are very toxic. While the DU is not considered dangerous contacting the outside of the body, it is very toxic when ingested in any way. Vapors, wounds, playing with it and putting it into your mouth, their all bad for human life. How do you stop a child from putting something into his or her mouth, especially in a war zone?
Dear, cluster bombs and depleted uranium need to be outlawed; if for nothing else, than for the sake of the children. They are innocents, not collateral damage
Yes well Nathan
You never said you DID care about collateral damage.
So it is obvious that you do NOT care about collateral damage. That is unless can prove otherwise.
Nathan – no such thing has ever been demonstrated about DU. Have you spoken to anyone with experience in industrial hygiene about it?
FRAGMENTS are not partucularly hazardous; it is the finely divided dust that is respirable – the stuff below about 10 microns or so.
Nathan – you hace consistently brushed off the numerous deaths among civilians when a one-ton bomb is dropped on a crowded apartment building as being unimportant “collateral damage”. Sounds like “don’t care” to me.
I care about collateral damage.
I also acknowledge that no war can be fought without it.
We in America have been doing a pretty good job of trying to prevent it too.
When have I ever called it “unimportant” Ben?
Is this the best you can do? Twist my words to make me look bad when it is not what I have said or feel?
Oh I will grant you Nathan that some efforts are made to avoid collateral damage by our military. Great efforts even.
I don’t know why we need uranium depleted armor piercing shells against the inferior armor that Iraq has/had. (surely there are no tank battles.I don’t know if there ever were)We were just wondering about your own feelings on the matter. You know there are those who say “nuke ‘em into the stone age” Talk about collateral damage!
DU has its place on the battleground, I think. It’s incredibly lethal in tank battles (remember the coverage of it in 2003?) and, what’s more, it’s demoralizing to the enemy as well.
I believe it’s also used in air-to-ground missiles as well; it’s anti-armor strengths are pretty well-established.
The thing is that DU shards left lying around leave a horrible impression of a moral America. If we had used the Powell Doctrine in Iraq then I’m sure we’d have had the manpower to collect DU shrapnel (I’m serious). In fact, think of the real good that news of such effort could do the US in terms of conducting a moral war against Islamic terrorism.
But we did Iraq on the cheap, foregoing the Powell Doctrine, because President Bush basically hozed up everything international beginning sometime right after the 2002 elections.
The alpha particles emiitted by the DU we use in our shells do not go through skin.
Simple exposure to the DU we use in our munitions it’self is not in the harmful range.
The only reason it is a horrible image is because of the misconceptions about it.
If you wish to pursue rational conclusions about depleted uranium, Nathan, then I suggest you adopt a time-honored marketing tactic: change the name of the ordinance (I have no idea how to do this).
Somehow I doubt that high-minded and scientific explanations like “The alpha particles emiitted by the DU we use in our shells do not go through skin” will ultimately prove effective in changing fundamentally perceptions of depleted uranium used as teething toys by Iraqi babies.
If you don’t support having US troops pick up (police) pieces of depleted uranium, then I reckon you should try to run something like “the healthy weight-maintaining properties of US methods of persuasion” up the flagpole.
Karl Rove can probably improve on my marketing effort. ;)
Good luck. Er..!
DU – it it won’t make your baby fat!
DU – after we shoot the sh*t out of your kin again, it’s proven not to ever penetrate skin again!
I am more interested in the truth of the munitions not the distortions of them or how to make it sound better…
DU – once shot, not hot. Play away!
DU – the truth of this munition is in the condition of your kid’s rendition of food defined by nuclear fission!
Where were all the stories of children using DU shrapnel as chew toys from the first gulf war?
Just wondering…
DU – it’s not the death sentence the anti-American, traitorous liberal media makes it out to be!
DU – it’s only a myth that your babies will put any and every thing they find in their mouths!
American DU will cut so bad going in that no kid worth having around would EVER chew on that!
American DU: shake well before using, and buy often!
Flike?
Are you auditioning for Scotty Mc Clellans old job?
You got balls guy!
I guess bush doesn’t like to clean up his messes.
Maybe with Iran they will just use a neutron weapon.
You know…..so the infrstructure around the strait of Hormuz doesn’t get too mussed up.
No JR, that’s just me and my reductio ad absurdum argument against our military’s use of DU in Iraq.
Nothing more. ;)
Nathan dear,You ask questions on subjects no one has seriously looked into. Are you so nieve that you think it’s not a problem because there has been no in depth study on it? By the same token, using your logic, I ask, show me the stories of the Iraqi children NOT chewing on DU fragments.
It has the same credibility as your question: None. But I ask you this: When a child finds something pretty, colorful, unusual in its surroundings, and so on, what is the first thing that child will do when it picks that object up? Put it in its mouth. That is what children do. This is a war zone, not mayberry rfd.
Why do you think so many children have been maimed and killed by unexploded cluster bombs (I provided links)? For the exact same reason: The bombs stand out and so are a curiosity to the children. Again, what do children do when they are drawn to something? Grab it and poof, dead, or arms and legs gone.
You are attempting to justify the use of weapons that can’t be controlled as can smart bombs. Kids are being poisoned by DU, and killed and maimed by cluster bombs. That is wrong on every level.
The alpha particles can cause lung cancer from respirated DU. They can also cause internal damage from ingested DU (as in dust on foodstuffs)
Nathan – you might be the be-all-end-all authority on the Bible; you are clearly NOT that in science and Industrial Hygiene. I will ask you one more time – have you asked anyone with professional experience in IH and decontamination about this?
Ben,
Perhaps you could provide a link describing how the DU rounds are indeed harmful.
I’m gonna summon KFG here
Nathan?
Can you post a link on how they are NOT harmful?
JR,
Once again: You don’t prove the affirmative. If you want to say it is bad it is your job to prove the negative.
I was not even being patronizing when I asked either…
“Perhaps you could provide a link describing how the DU rounds are indeed harmful.”–Nathan
WARNING: extremely graphic pictures at the link.
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2003/DU-Baby2003.htm
You’ve another thread to answer to Nathan. I’m gonna give you the credit of trusting that you are there reading and learning and thinking.
But if you are here instead. You know that I cannot post links. So you have me at a disadvantage. Why not use that? Post your links that depleted uranium shells are NOT harmful to the folks we are there to “help”
While you are at it? You might expound on your concept of collateral damage re: a nuclear strike on Iran.
FlikeI was posting my last to nathan while you were. My post to him was made before I saw yours.
I have no words.
JR,
Tactical nukes. They work.
Personally I think a squad of Stealth Bombers will do the trick just fine.
FlikeI was posting my last to nathan while you were. My post to him was made before I saw yours.
I have no words.
Oh boy pictures…
I failed to see the studies showing how it is DU rounds that did that…
Prove otherwise Nathan.
As MOTHER stated, the hand to mouth action associated with children make it dangerous.
http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm
* Following conflict, levels of DU contamination in food and drinking water might be detected in affected areas even after a few years. This should be monitored where it is considered there is a reasonable possibility of significant quantities of DU entering the ground water or food chain.* Where justified and possible, clean-up operations in impact zones should be undertaken if there are substantial numbers of radioactive projectiles remaining and where qualified experts deem contamination levels to be unacceptable. If high concentrations of DU dust or metal fragments are present, then areas may need to be cordoned off until removal can be accomplished. Such impact sites are likely to contain a variety of hazardous materials, in particular unexploded ordnance. Due consideration needs to be given to all hazards, and the potential hazard from DU kept in perspective.* Small children could receive greater exposure to DU when playing in or near DU impact sites. Their typical hand-to-mouth activity could lead to high DU ingestion from contaminated soil. Necessary preventative measures should be taken.* Disposal of DU should follow appropriate national or international recommendations.
Here you go JM. From a site a little less off the wall than yours:
“Based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts.”
“U does not add significantly to the normal background radiation that people encounter ever day. It is weakly radioactive. For example, DU is 3 million times less radioactive than radium still found in many old luminous watches and 10 million times less radioactive than what is used in fire detectors.”
“It is a common misconception that radioactivity is the main health hazard of DU rather than chemical toxicity. Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage.”
“It is not known whether children differ from adults in their susceptibility to health effects from DU exposure. But in scientific experiments very young animals were found to absorb more uranium into their blood than adult animals when they were fed uranium.”
“n assessment by WHO in 2001 excluded any link between exposure to DU and the onset of congenital abnormalities.”
http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Features/DU/faq_depleted_uranium.shtml#q2
Oh, I missed this one completely! How could anyone argue this?Nathan, did you even look at the link flike provided? Have you no heart?
No heart and no brain X
I wasted alot of time composing another thoughtful post to him and them said why bother.Then I came here and got that reaffirmed.
I have enough heart not to shamelessly post pictures of deformed babies which have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Nathan, I’d previously read the WHO report of which they speak–all 46 pages of it. As recall, it was done in the chaotic conditions of Kosovo, with different parties often giving them conflicting information–which the authors freely acknowledged made their work difficult.
But what I find really fascinating is the degree to which you trumpet the quoted material as if it really makes your case. Do really think this HELPS you?:
“Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage.”
Having said that, I can that the link flike is an “activist” site. That doesn’t make it wrong, but it’s not necessarily accurate either. However, flike doesn’t strike as a particularly nutso type.
JR
On the subject of links. You may not be able to post a “link” but can you copy the text of the link and paste it as text? It may not be a “link” but the text is easy for others to copy and paste into their address bar.
It looks like DU is more toxic than lead, so children ingesting it risk long term health hazards. Their typical hand-to-mouth activity WILL be the cause of it. And you still think it’s ok? Remember, it ain’t no Ozzie and Harriot over there, No OSHA, just war torn families and rubbled neighborhoods.
In all of this you have sidestepped the questions about cluster bombs. MOTHER made some good points. Care to refute?
Nathan asked for a link “describing how the DU rounds are indeed harmful,” and I merely met his standard.
In fact, all I did was google “depleted uranium pictures,” and the link I provided was the 5th one down, chosen because it was the first I saw that did indeed provide pictures:
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=depleted+uranium+pictures&btnG=Google+Search
Nathan’s was a weak standard to meet; I merely did what he asked. It’s my opinion that a person like Nathan who seems to get his kicks from having others around here do his googling for him gets what he pays for in the googling department.
As I said above, I believe DU has its place on the battleground. The issue with its use in Iraq is related to our war there, or rather how President Bush chose to wage war there. If we had employed the Powell Doctrine in Iraq then we would have had sufficient manpower to pick up pieces of DU. We would have been able to police the battlefield, if you will.
My larger point is that doing this, especially news coverage of this effort, *adds* morality to President Bush’s war on terrorism. Leaving spent DU rounds on the battlefield opens the possiblility of having pictures of deformed babies published with a byline of “Effects of US war policy” underneath them. This *subtracts* morality from President Bush’s war on terrorism.
In this way, DU is merely another example in a long list of errors made by President Bush in the GWOT.
“possiblility of having pictures of deformed babies published with a byline of “Effects of US war policy” underneath them”
Flike, would that be like the pictures of the flag draped coffins that bush doesnt want anyone to see?
Can you say censorship of the bad news? I thought you could…
flike – in defense of Bush on this one we have been using such munitions at least since Clinton and probably long before.
The mechanism of damage is two-fold: ‘regular heavy-metal toxocity (chamical) and radiological. In the latter it is not unlike the mechanism with Radon: Radon daughters are solid but very finely divided. They are inhaled and stick in the alveoli. When they decay their alphas are “right there” inside the lungs. Similar with aerosols resulting from rapid vaporization/oxidation upon impact. The other vector is ingestion – not unlike the lead paint route.
The key here is that it is not chunks of DU that are the problem; they are benign. As pointed out, alphas do not penetrate the skin. It is when it can get internal that it can cause damage.
flike – policing the battlefield won’t help.
Ben, We need to replace what we have with loyal Americans to positions within our government and these problems will all go away. Americans can differ as to how to serve American interests best, that’s normal within our politics.
Right now, from the top down, our government is full of traitors and they must be routed-out.
That’s job one.
I suppose no one noticed the difference between my infomration which I get from the IAEA and flikes random google search?
Don’t let the truth stand in the way of your ignorance though.
Thanks for the education, Ben.
My point goes to the truthiness of DU in Iraq, more precisely the public relations gains/losses that flow from better policies.
As President Bush has shown us all, you win hearts and minds by *controlling* marketing appeals to the absolute lowest common denominator.
Since were talking mixed signals on nukes, China, and North Korea we should not forget the positive contributions made by the Clinton adminstration. (positive if you are the Chinese and NK’S I guess)
Flike
Future dictionaries will carry the definition of “terrorism” as a “trick” name or misnomer for people defending their countries, homes, farms, land, or families.
The Zionist tagged that name onto the Palestinians before worldwide communication could verify it was false.
Many Zionists today and their supporters still use that name to milk as much sympathy as is left for Zionist Israel.
Israel is strange, as it glorifies the seven deadly sins and incorporates the seven deadly sins into every aspect of its conduct.
The Zionists consider being considerate as being an exploitable weakness.
I think the IAEA was focusing only on the solid material and gross fragments. I had seen other work by WHO and others on the aerosolized material.
It’s a lot like the problem with incinerator fly ash. Below a certain size it is respirated but not readily expelled. It gets stuck deep within the lungs. That is where it does its damage.
I might recommend a few courses in Industrial Hygiene as background on the hazards of inhaled heavy metals and radiologic materials. It is a very interesting field. You might also look at what they say about the difficulties in decontamination.
Just curious Nathan – how many courses have you taken in Hazardous Materials Management? Ever been credentialed in the field as a professional?
Ed – this sort of distortion is typical when chuch and state merge. We saw it with the Taliban/IslamIST regime in Afghanistan; the Milosovich/ChristIST regime in Serbia; the JewIST regime in Israel; and now in the HindIST regime in Nepal. This is one of the reasons church and state must be kept separate.
Ed
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. It’s real simple, you’re an intelligent guy, you should be able to wrap your head around it.
If radical ISLAMIC TERRORISTS would stop trying to wipe Israel off the face of the map there would be peace in the Middle East.
Get over it.
EdHere a couple of years ago when Hamas stopped their bombings an incredible thing happened. People stopped dying. It’s a simple but effective concept.
Heckler, Israel has NEVER stopped killing Palestinians, lies don’t work anymore as that clown the other day offered that the Palestinians had thrown in with the Nazis, for God’s sake. Who do you G-d fools think you’re talking to with such crap? Go find someone gullible, as information comes across my desk faster than I can type.
Heckler – it has to be a two-way street. The radical JEWIST TERRORISTS must do the same and give the Palestinian people freedom. When Hamas quit fighting SOME people quit dying. Israel responded by accellerating the pace of home demolitions and land theft for radicals to establish their Paramilitary garrisons (Settlements).
The current Intifada was triggered by a massacre in a Mosque carried out by the KACH terrorist Baruch Goldstein. He was aided in his mission by the occupiers – the IDF and Settlers. Although the IDF could not prevent him being executed after the massacre none of those who helped him have been brought to justice. This includes the US-based branch of KACH in New York City.
The Palestinians had a cease-fire. Israel abrogated it.
In celebration of that terrorist attack Ariel Sharon made a very public visit to a mosque in Palestine over the objections of Palestinian officials. His stated reason for his visit was to make clear to the Palestinian People that they would be forever ruled over by Israel and that the so-called Palestinian Authority served only at Israel’s pleasure. He wanted to make sure that Palestinians knew that they were and would forever remain Israel’s serfs.
Ben
Israels serfs?? If Yasser Arrafat and the PA had used all of the aid money the world has passed to the PA the Palestinian people would be no ones serfs. Hamas and the PA are the Palestinian peoples worst enemy, not Israel.
Ben, A big well said. But remember the Zionists already know everything you’re saying is the truth but their entire country is based on lies. Most people don’t know that, but more are learning everyday. World opinion of Jews in general is getting worse which isn’t fair to the good Jews who catch all the heat generated by the Zionists.
Good Jews are being killed worldwide along with the Zionists as there’s no place to hide. The Zionists like to call it anti-Semitism when actually it is not. People have become sick and tired of Zionist atrocities and threatening the world oil supply with nuclear weapons which came from the United States. And Bush not lifting a finger to stop it.
Congress need to get-off their G-d asses and cut-off Bush’s money along with Zionist Israel. Enough is enough.
No money, no “war against freedom-fighters.”
Ben, just posted so I didn’t get to read all of Hecklers bull-shit, but it is amusing to think he doesn’t seem to understand that what he’s saying doesn’t even make sense, when stacked-up against history.
Heckler – Arafat was a lousy SOB that is for sure. However, he only served at Israel’s pleasure. Perhaps you have failed to notice the identity of the Army, Air Force, and navy that controls every aspect of Palestinian life?
However, even with that control suicide bombers strike as we saw a few days ago. That bomber operated from ISRAELI territory. Just as with the Tim McVeighs the ruling government cannot totally clamp down on everything.
One thing that has never been tried in Palestine is freedom. It’s funny that Bush talks so much about freedom and democracy when he opposes it so stronly for the Palestinian people. They have NEVER been allowed to vote in an election to choose their rulers.
Ben
So Israel should just disband its military and leave the Palestinians to come and go as they please and everyone can live happily ever after?
They should withdraw from the occupied territories and the Golan Heights and the world will leave them in peace?
Ben, All of the Israel Likuds Party members are billionaires and with that much money involved they’re not going to give-up anything they’ve stolen.
5 years ago there were dozens of web-pages saying the Dir Yassin massacre never took place because Dir Yassin was never a village. Now those pages have disappeared as the truth emerges.
A rabbi in Jerusalem had kept the diaries of the soldiers were were involved in the massacre, so that lie met the same fate as other Zionist’s lies.
Ben,
I have taken none of those classes.
What I have taken are classes in argument/advocacy, logic, and debate.
Everyone here is making the claim that DU rounds are “radioactive waste” that little kids are killing themselves on because mean America is committing war crimes by using such awful weapons.
That is the basics of the argument.
However, between the DOD, the IAEA, the WHO and any other credible source there are no comprehensive studies which support those claims.
Sure DU in large quantities is harmful. So is anything else.
I have yet to see any credible source here.
I have seen a link to some random pictures of deformed babies. None of us can confirm the validity of them nor is there any explanation attached to them.
Ben, This may be a breakthrough
Haaretz:
“It appears that Kadima will retain the finance portfolio and that Labor will control seven ministries, including defense, which Peretz will head.”http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=708019&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Nathan… lings or no credibility.
Nathan has taken classes in debate, logic, advocacy and argument? I guess he only passed the last one. If I were he, I’d see if I could take the courses again for a better grade or I’d try to get my money back.
Coconuts,
Any election held under foreign military occupation is illegitimate. As such the Palestinians have never had a any real elections. Of course, Germany has not had a legitimate government since the Reich Government under Admiral Doenitz but that is a whole ‘nother matter!
Viva La Revolucion!!!
Nathan – I too have taken debate etc. On top of that I have earned my PhD in Chemistry and by Certification as a Haz Mat Manager. I have worked professionally in these fields. I am basing my professional opinions about finely divided DU on that experience. I would say similar things about other finely divided heavy metal oxides.
One interesting thing is that I have been attacked from time to time from both sides of the political spectrum. There are those on the “left” who do not like my advocacy of Nuclear power or using natural attenuation for some groundwater sites. I tell them the same thing I tell you: the science and my professional experience force me to my professional conclusions.
This argument sounds a lot like “we don’t have all the information” from global warming.
Ed – I hope you are right. However, Hamas must also stand ready to recognize Israel in roughly the pre-1967 borders. We can say what we will about how that came to be (and how North America came to be populated by Europeans) but the reality is that Israel exists. As I have said before – it must be a two-way street.
And remember XXX – there is no solid evidence that cigarettes are addictive or bad for your health. I think those guys who testified to Congress to that effect also had “classes in argument/advocacy, logic, and debate.”
I doubt that my family doctor has had all those classes but I’ll listen to him about my health before I do my lawyer.
Ben,
Then perhaps you can talk about your studies in DU munitions and the numerous tests you have done to discover your beliefs regarding DU munitions?
Or perhaps you could refer me to any of your peirs studies on DU munitions and their effects?
Or is this just your professional opinion speculation about DU munitions and their effects?
Nathan – I have never claimed to have done my own studies on DU. I have simply assimilated many years experience in radiological and heavy metal hygiene.
I can DEFINITELY understand the frustration felt by those in the medical profession while those tobacco executives and all their training in “argument/advocacy, logic, and debate” were lying through their teeth to Congress.
Yes, XXX, I have commented previously about my feelings of Deja Vu in regards to global warming and tobacco.
So in this discussion, your Ph.D doesn’t bring much to the table besides more speculation on the effects of DU munitions?
I am just wondering if there was a reason why you threw that little caveat?
Ben, Recognizing Israel is not a problem. The problem starts with which Israel?
Zionist brutality or Jews looking for a peaceful homeland.
You can’t expect Hamas to recognize the Israel which is firing artillery shells into the destitute Palestinians trapped in the Gaza Strip.
Or the Israel which worships the seven deadly sins. The whore houses, drug peddling, slave=trading, money laundering, drug distribution are all deadly sins in Islam as well as any decent society.
There’s what the Zionists are trying to hide and American newspapers won’t uncover to report.
Israel has to clean-up its act as far as I’m concerned.
Ben and X,Good points all. I think, contrary to Nathans logic, we have narrowed the debate on DU to the point it is an internally hazard. Both the radiation, which must be flushed from the system, and the heavy metal properties, which is twice as toxic as lead, make it anything but neutral in its spent state. The toxicity is more pronounced in children than adults, ergo, it is bad for children.
If Nathan disagrees with that, then he is failing to see the impact DU has on non-combatants, children in this case, and is ignoring the collatorial damage it causes.
Now, Nathan dear, where is your opinion on cluster bombs after reading the links MOTHER provided. You did read them, did you not?
This question might be better addressed to Ben. I’m sure he will answer it. I trust his answer.
But I’ll ask it of our advocate for the casual attitude about depleted uranium and of course the blogs wisest and most learned and just all around bestest poster.
Nathan? Does depleted uranium occur in large quantities in nature? You know like say dirt or sand?
Is it something I’d find fairly easily just lying around?
Nathan – I “threw that little caveat” for the same reason a professional psychologist might have done the same on the thread on mental illness or an MD might do so when discussing the pros/cons of flu shots.
Of course it does not exist in that form; the natural ratio material (actually a bit more hazardous) exists in low concentrations chemically bound in ores. In the natural form it is not likely to become finely divided and dispersed as fine dust.
Thanks ben,
Nathan?Since DU doesn’t exist in it’s pure form in nature, wouldn’t it be fair to call it’s casual use at the very least pollution and at the very worst playing dice with biology and nature? Is it not better to err on the side of caution?
Clearly this was not a problem in Iraq before our intervention there.
Is this part of our mission to make Iraq safe for Iraquis?
Do you really care?
“A UN Environment Program task force found evidence of contamination from depleted uranium (DU) ammunition in Bosnia and Herzegovina. During its 1995 bombing campaign against Serb forces in Bosnia, NATO used armour-piercing munitions that contained DU, a slightly radioactive heavy metal. The UN task force identified three sites that it judged potential health hazards to people living nearby.”
: Many poisons are excreted by the kidney, and in the process, like other urinary constituents, they become concentrated and thus reach levels in the tubular fluid that damage the lining cells of the tubules. Though the tubular cells die and are shed in the urine, regeneration can take place and the patient survive, if he can be maintained during the period of depressed renal function and is not killed by other effects of the poison. Poisons that can affect the kidneyin this way are numerous, but the main groups are heavy metals (mercury, arsenic, uranium).”
Nathan, it isn’t hard to find information on the dangers of DU. Why don’t you start by simply opening a book like an encyclopedia. The above came from the Encyclopedia Britannica 2004 edition. Took me about 3 minutes to find it.
Aren’t there a lot of sandstorms in that region Nathan?
Now I’m gonna state right out that I don’t think you give a damn about the Iraqui people. After all you haven’t proved that you do. No links or data do you have to show us otherwise.
But what about the American troops on the ground?
Do you care about them Nathan?
Ben? Are our troops at risk from exposure to this stuff? You know like they were adversely affected by widespread use of agent orange?
here’s some more for you..Scientific research in peer reviewed journals.
http://www.bren.ucsb.edu/academics/courses/595E/Session%207/BleisePropertiesUse&-DU.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11873492&dopt=Abstract
http://direct.bl.uk/bld/PlaceOrder.do?UIN=086824954&ETOC=RN&from=searchengine
The first is free, the others must either be purchased or you must go to a University library that subscribes to the cited journals.
XXX – I can see it now with my Doctor. “Hey Doc, I’ve decided to take up smoking. I’m sure it can’t be addictive or bad for me; after all I heard that claimed by people with “classes in debate, logic, advocacy and argument.” That trumps your years of study in medicine.”
I doubt that he would bother arguing that with me.
Brian, Jr, Ben, You can buy diplomas, PH D’s and whatever accreditation you wish in Jerusalem as Ed Bradley showed us on 60 minutes not long ago.
Even ones from UK Universities which do not exist.
Ed Bradly confronted the guy in Jerusalem and he denied having anything to do with it even though Ed Bradley showed him the cancelled checks and documentation with his Jerusalem address on them, following a trail of “drop-boxes” along the way.
Nathan should not have any trouble verifying whatever he says.
I will be back later and comment on the link provided by Ben.
Until then, did you read it yourself Ben?
That first link didn’t say anything about how DU munitions caused any of the claims here.
It actually recited many of the WHO’s reports that DU munitions posed no real health threat.
So, I willbe back with those quotes from your link later.
So here we still are with no evidence supporting any of the wild claims about DU munitions.
Ben or Brian?
I suspect your carelessness is showing again.
WShat the reports said to me was this. DU poses a significantt health threat as a heavy metal that cause renal failure as well as neurological problems, and other toxic effects that lead to possible death. In addition, cancer is a likely outcome to DU exposure. The “free” article stated that the major routes of exposure during “war” activities…dust inhalation, dermal exposure, etc. do not appear to be major routes to acute illness. The point is…the research exists. Go out and get it. As with all R&D, you must read it all, or a significant part of it if you are going to have an informed opinion on the subject. I haven’t and therefore don’t claim to be able to make a completely rational decision. However, a simple search of the literature reveals a lot of articles with very ‘frightening’ names.
Ed, I don’t know what your comment about the purchase of PhDs has to do with anything. You don’t have to be a PhD to go out and find the pertinent literature. I think you’ll find that most of it is labelled ‘Zionist free’, so you won’t have any problem reading it.
Thanks Brian for posting the links. I looked at the two that opened directly and they BOTH indicated that DU is bad stuff.
Ed – those fake PhDs can generally be spotted. I could let you read my Dissertation and provide some references to my publications in JACS, Chem Comm, Acta Cryst, etc etc etc. I’m afraid they make rather dull reading though. I am all too familiar with the fake ones.
Guys, Nathan was asked to link to something and it reminded me of Ed Bradley’s 60 minute bit of phony diplomas.
Misinformation abounds these days, so I thought I’d remind you all what you might be being linked to.
The “Bush” just came on TV and said he would make sure we weren’t being gouged on gasoline.
No mention that his threats to go nuclear was the real problem.
How stupid do you need to be not to be able to understand what’s driving-up the price of crude oil?
Screw the Zionists.
Let’s make peace with the Arabs.
Ed makes a good point. A few decades ago we had the tobacco industry sponsoring lies to Congress etc. Today we see well-funded “think tanks” with their glossy web sites doing the same thing.
By the way, anyone notice how many tornadoes we have had this spring? Or the fact that we have already broken 100 in Kansas (96 in Wichita) Or that Australia has another Cat 4 hurricane (Typhoon) at its north coast.
The experiment continues …
Ben,did you see Monday or Tuesday that Texas had rolling blackouts because of the heat? Their grid wouldn’t handle the load.
Seems a little strange to be having this kind of heat in April.
I can hardly wait till hurricane season.
Yes, I saw that too. It is rather amusing; the tropics are already beginning to look interesting. Caribbean close to 85 F already. Gonna be fun to watch. I’m kind of hoping the track runs a bit further east; it would be something to see a Cat 5 hit Washington DC.
And the experiment continues …
Here late.
Maybe I’ll be here when Nathan shows up with his answers.
Maybe he will answer if he cares about American military exposure to depleted uranium.
In the meantime.
Took a walk with my son last night. We heard crickets! I don’t remember ever hearing crickets in April. I talked about this with my son. Oddly enough his name is Nathan! I told him that he should remember the snow that was on the ground the week his Grandpa died. He might someday have to tell HIS grandkids what snow was.
How many days have we had record breaking heat now?
“there are no comprehensive studies which support those claims”
I think he sounds more like a guy he hates. You know the one.
Al “there’s no controlling legal opinion” Gore.
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