A news article in Thursday’s Eagle highlighted the human side of deportation: A Mexican man who has been living and working in Wichita is being deported, and now his wife must decide what to do with their two small children, who are American citizens. Besides the compassionate concerns about separating families, mass deportation presents logistical and economic problems. Exactly how would we round up an estimated 12 million illegals and bus them all home? And what would be the impact on local, state and federal economies if we did that? Kansas has up to 85,000 illegal immigrants. How could our state lose that many residents? It’s unworkable.
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We couldn’t lose those workers immediately in mass illegals being rounded up, that will never work.
But given the authority and its more money for the police efforts doing it, they could hold every illegal caught, that means the Irish too and other’s not Mexican, for deportation.
The key is getting people legal and they shouldn’t get a free pass for having children here in America.
The fines for illegals being in this country consideration, not every person could afford it.
Something must be done, the order that every illegal must sign up somewhere and be identified properly. Where to do that? In every community at the court house or back to the border, so the government can allow that person in.
It’s on them getting to the border, if they don’t their subject to be deported if caught and services not rendered to them in medical care or schools.
They must have legal documents to be here to gain state services.
Some 18 year old children of immigrants are being deported if parents are ordered to leave. Having a child here in America doesn’t make those parents legal citizens.
The government isn’t doing that enough. Get to the border, the proper documents, come back.
Case of national pallet company being investigated for hiring illegals. It was profitable to the corporation underpaying for those workers. It’s a crime. Those weren’t jobs Americans wouldn’t take. It was a job for too low pay and not wage legal.
There is no consideration for such companies if they lose illegal workers. I’m sure some companies work the same way here in town and in Kansas. Let those companies get shut down until they follow hiring and wage laws.
So the answer is money then? It is not a matter of the law or what is right and fair or what is in the best interest of this country? Well then let us just the next time a bank robbery is committed, when the criminal is caught if he is willing to share in the booty. excuse his crime and allow him to continue to reap the benefits of his crime.
Does the BATF get involve in a bombing because it is illegal? No it is to see if the maker and owner of the bomb has paid his Federal bomb tax! I am not kidding, that is actually how it works so one might suppose if the tax has been paid that no Federal crime has been committed? You would be correct, but since there are state laws that have been violated the Feds will share the identity of the bomber unless someone died that is a violation of Federal law.
Lately the appeal about immigration seem to be guilt, “Well your forefathers came here as immigrants, should they be sent back or you?”. Like a wife might responded to her husband when he points out that last week he mowed the grass and was not just setting around. “What have you done lately?”, otherwise yesterday is not the issue and for good or bad can not be changed.
And in the end it is not about immigration, but the illegal in front of it. I would be against a ban on any immigration. There is good reason to come to the United States, if not then there would be good reason to leave. But to put up the reason not to control immigration is money makes it a simple excuse for any criminal activity. The same logic could be put up if the terrorists would be willing to pay to come here and kill people then all it well and good! Or so is the case, by not controlling immigration and looking the other way so as not to see the flow from South to North. The wolfs have no need to dress as sheep to infiltrate the flock.
In the end, it would be a lame excuse once the next building falls or the piles of the dead gather. To point out that those hired to clean the rubble are being paid a dollar and a half an hour.
Question:
What’s stopping this man from taking his family with him back to Mexico?
Answer: Nothing.
Question:
Are people that subvert the immigration process to enter the United States, use fake or stolen documents to maintain multiple identities, work illegally (frequently, off the books)for impoverished third world wages and, have a general disrespect for the laws of our nation- really, in the long run, good for society and the economy?
Answer: Of course not.
Illegal immigration isn’t just about “families and building communities.” It also about greed and unlawful activity by unscrupulous employers and illegal aliens.
What’s the big problem with requiring both sides just to do things the right way?
I recently estimated in a previous EAGLE blog using the EAGLE’s figure for two years ago, that Wichita might now have 30,000 non-citizens among our normal population of 300,000 depending on city or county population. Every weekend more buses roll up highway 54 to arrive in Wichita.
Now there are some benefits to this population movement. Without undocumented newcomers, the population of Wichita would be dropping like a rock. These newcomers fill jobs, buy goods and services from local businesses, pay sales taxes at least, attend churches, are often more polite than some of our regular citizens, etc.
Of course, there are downside issues such as schools, health care, displacement of jobs, disruption of neighborhoods, etc.
Because the federal government isn’t controlling this massive population shift, it seems to me that Sedgwick County and City of Wichita must establish controls in this situation.
So I think a major reception center needs to be established here in Wichita preferably close to downtown city hall and courthouse. As a suggestion, use the old concrete lumber warehouse at about Waco and Central that might be currently being partially used by the Wichita Police Department.
Identify the newcomers, fingerprint, inform of rights and obligations, give some basic health care and shots, provide for periodic return for updating, etc.
I am shooting from the hip here trying to suggest a basic program that is needed. It appears NO program is now in place.
I am sure some of you bloggers could add/subtract from this suggestion to establish some order in this ongoing chaos before Wichita/Sedgwick County is also overwhelmed by sheer numbers of uncontrolled immigration.
Can you imagine what it would take to deport millions of illegals? The financial cost, the late night raids, the cost to our image abroad.
Can you imagine the human misery it would cause? Families who have made their lives here in the land of opportunity with no where else to go and little in the way of assets.
We have made this bed. We could have enforced out own border and immigration laws, but we didn’t. These people came to America to make a better life for their families. Don’t blame them for being here illegally, when our government gave tacit approval.
Control our borders NOW and then do what it takes to work out the details and proceed to assimilate these people into our society.
In some ways JWink’s idea sounds pretty totalitarian, but on the other hand, people like me have an interest that folks coming into our city are not bringing in communicable diseases that public health efforts could easily prevent. But, on the other hand, isn’t the idea that they cost us so much in health care provisions one of the main reasons the “deporter crowd” wants them out?
How about aggressively pursuing and fining those business who hire illegals – then using the fines to fund this preventative health efforts?
I will have to think about this one some more.
Oh yes…the compassionate concerns about separating families. Uh…what about convicted felons? Aren’t they put in prison, and separated from their families because they BROKE THE LAW??
If these illegals had not come here illegally–and broken the law–then they wouldn’t have to worry about being separated.
The “compassionate concerns” is not a reason to allow the illegals to stay when we lock up other criminals. Why should these illegals be treated better than any other lawbreaker????
And I love the statement from JWink.. how the “newcomers are often more polite than some of our regular citizens…”
So…now they are all polite newcomers? Is this the new politically correct phrase for ILLEGAL ALIENS?
Puhleeze….if I break the law, I expect to be punished. Why should these people be treated better?
Deport millions? I remember how well deporting 1 Cuban boy went. BTW weren’t many conservatives against sending him back despite the fact he entered illegally also.
Some of you may have read yesterday’s KC Star.
On front-page article discussed quashing plea-bargaining agreements for motor vehicle citations. One thing that was mentioned was speeding tickets for going less than 5 mph over the posted limit. Apparently, these violations will not count as “points” towards license suspension or be reported to insurance companies.
Another article discussed feral cats. It disclosed several city regulations on how many household pets were allowed, such as 3 animals, 4 animals, 5 animals, but no more than two dogs, 2 cats and 2 dogs per household, etc. Didn’t mention birds or fish allowances.
Suppose you live in a city that allows only 2 cats. What if you had 4 spayed/neutered/declawed cats, and they didn’t leave the house? Suppose that you cleaned their litterbox every other day, and fed them well. Would you consider yourself to be a criminal?
I saw a neighbor walking 3 Great Danes. Am I going to check city regs to find out if this is legal, and then report her?
If somebody in a 2-dog city has 4 Chihuahas, are these little “illegal” pups going to pose more of a public safety risk than 2 “legal” pit bulls?
A big part of Kansas’s failing economy is due to a preoccupation with legalism. What the law says, and what WORKS are sometimes two different things. What successful societies do is to figure out what works. This requires experimentation. It requires “thinking different”. It requires risk taking.
Our Founding Fathers were law-breakers. Had England beat the colonists, George Washington would have been held in prison without access to counsel, subjected to a Star Chamber tribunal, and then hung. In their time, the law was based on a precept that only kings and church leaders were annointed by God to make rules for everyone else to obey. They told everyone else that they possessed Divine Wisdom and authority.
America’s founding fathers rejected this proposition. They conducted an illegal experiment. And, now Kansans, here you are, in the United States of America, instead of the Old Country. It seems that your progenitors were willing to go to a law-breaking country, rather than stay put in law-encrusted, stagnating Europe.
Well said, heartlander.
I’m not in favor of unrestricted immigration nor universal amnesty, but we need to be a little realistic about these things. BTW, Molly Ivins has pointed out, border towns tend to be socially and economically intertwined, despite the artificial line being there (and 9-11 played serious hell with them, unfortunately!).
Yes, the U.S is not Mexico or vice-versa (despite NAFTA!), but again: a little realism, folks.
P.S. Notice how no one is talking about immigrants from Canada–or Ireland, Switzerland or whatnot?
Possibly disturbing off-topic comment to follow, due to heartlander’s speculation and my having seen HBO’s Elizabeth this weekend (sorry):
Not only George Washington, but anyone who had signed the Declaration of Independence was subject to an Old Bailey sentence of hanging, for the crime of High Treason.
In fact, Washington and the others would very likely have been subjected to considerably worse: drawing, hanging, and quartering, with the 5 pieces of each body gibbeted throughout England and the colonies, especially America.
I’d venture a guess that if we’d lost our War of Independence, Washington’s head would have been spiked at the Tower of London and his quartered remains displayed in Tenton, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Richmond.
“We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately.” Comment attributed to Ben Franklin
Deporting almost all illegals IS do-able. We put men on the moon, invented and developed the most marvelous medicines and machines, cured polio, smallpox; the list is very long. The politicians are trying to play both sides.
Please consider that if we let these illegals stay, how many more will FLOOD the country in the years it will take to secure the borders.
OUTLANDER
would have us believe that we would act like the nazi. “Late night raids.” Actually, 3 and 4 AM was the best time for this. ? The IRS and Social Security Service can identify and locate a large percentage of the illegals right now!Also he/she feels that the illegal problem is our fault, and since they are here, these lawbreakers should be allowed to stay. Yes, we are at fault for not enforcing laws, but that is not justification for compounding the error. We tried amnesty in the 80’s and it FAILED!
HEARTLANDERWe have a nice system: If you dislike laws, change them. This would be a very good time for you to go for laws allowing limitless immigration.
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I grew up in a state that had a 21 minimum age drinking law. At the time, many states had a 18 year old minimum. In both categories, there were a lot of kids drinking in the middle of high school. Did their parents turn them in to the authorities? Not any that I knew of.
There are farm and ranch kids whose dad’s take them hunting when they are 9, 10 and 11. That’s illegal.
I don’t speed, because I don’t want to pay higher insurance premiums. But in south Florida the average traffic flow is 80 mph. Driving down there, I realized it was safer, to keep up, and not obstruct traffic. The highway patrol there doesn’t send out platoons of ticket writers because higher speeds reduce traffic density and result in higher transportation efficiency. Modern cars are safer driving 80 than 1950’s cars doing 65.
Some people proposed raising Kansas’s tollway limit to 75. The limit’s 75 for Oklahoma’s tollways. It’s 75 for Nebraska and Colorado’s interstate drivers. Which is to say that as long as you stay at 80 or under, you won’t get stopped.
The I-35 between Oklahoma and Derby, and Andover and Emporia is a low traffic density corridor 95% of the time. In Missouri, the I-70 has much higher traffic density most of the time. Its speed limit is the same as Kansas’s. Kansas should align with the other small-population, low traffic-density states. That would be logical. Instead, our speed limit is irrationally low. Anyway, I see a lot of people doing upper 70’s on the I-35, and they aren’t pulled over.
It’s funny how we decide, whether we’re parents who have a 16 year old come home inebriated, or ranchers for whom hunting before the age of 12 is an ancient family tradition, or state troopers who watch people driving 7 mph over the legal limit and let them go, because it isn’t causing highway carnage, to selectively uphold and enforce laws.
It may be that when we had a million illegal-immigrant Mexicans, the overall effect benefited America, but 12 million hurts America. Perhaps we must curtail the influx. I’m not weighing in here. I was born in New Mexico and grew up in Texas and California. Mexicans were part of the landscape. Some were bad actors. Most were really good, decent people who would help you out.
You’ve got millions of women professionals for whom paying somebody else $8/hour to clean the house, cook and babysit kids makes a lot more sense than converting their own $30, $50, $75 /hr worth in the workplace to $8/hr staying at home. Nobody has yet calculated the positive and negative effects on the economy of this new division of labor, but we know this A LOT OF WHITE AMERICAN WOMEN LIKE IT. So they’re breaking the law. Should they all go to jail?
Mass deportation is very doable and it would cost less and be of greater benefit then the war in Iraq for israel and haliburton! To those of you who say we “shouldn’t” do it then I suggest you wave the white flag and allow every african and every other bit of human refuse in from every failed shithole on the planet.
V.L.R.B!!
On changing the laws, guess what laws Congress is going to enact to mass-deport Mexicans? None. For many reasons.
The Repubs got 40% of the Hispanic vote last time and Bush was barely elected. They don’t want to anger Hispanics, and watch them vote for the Dems.
Lots of Republican businesses and housewives employ illegals. Don’t want to offend them. They all pay a lot of taxes, and many make handsome campaign contributions.
Dems are caught between trying to please American blue collar workers, and build a larger future voting base comprised of people from other countries.
Putting 12 million Mexicans back in Mexico will utterly destabilize that country. Just when American corporations ranging from Citibank to Wal-Mart operating down there are enjoying nice profits. They don’t want destabilization, such as calls to nationalize American businesses.
So you see, your congressmen won’t move to deport aliens. What they can do is come back home and give campaign speeches saying, “I’m against illegal immigration, but my colleagues won’t pass a law. I would if I could.” So they tell you they are on your side–but not that much, actually.
On the issue of law per se, sneaking in here is not a major crime. Nobody goes to jail for sneaking in and finding work. At most they get deported. There’s no “three strikes” law: like, getting caught three times is felony, and you’re going to prison Manuel.
Trading in forged U.S. documents may be a more serious matter. Why don’t you contact the Citizenship and Immigration Services (formerly Immigration and Naturalization Services) and find out. Then demand prosecutions. If they don’t act, file a citizens’ lawsuit against the agency for failing to faithfully execute federal laws. But, then again, why do you think they haven’t been taking action? Somebody above the line officership may be exerting an influence here.
I think our country has room for a lot more people. I’ve driven and flown across it innumerable times. This is a HUGE country. We’re not even close to filling it up. Germany has a smaller area than Kansas+Oklahoma. It has 80 million people, versus Kansas + Oklahoma’s 6 million.
Ahh..now I understand. People speed in Florida. Underage kids drink..so, let’s just throw out ALL LAWS!
And…nope, not much discussion about immigrants from other countries…not the ones that came here LEGALLY.
Why is it so hard to understand? Prop 187 in California was an attempt to bar ILLEGALS from receiving state benefits…and Pres Fox of Mexico called it racist. It never singled out any country..just said ILLEGAL.
Hey Ian,
I’ll bet in your circle of acquaintances you know of one or two Adolph Eichmann/Reinhard Heydrich types wgho could probably do an excellent job organizing the transport of several million people to help find the final solution to the immigrant question. Maybe you should let our congress people know their names.
Oh, so anyone who wants lawbreaking wetbacks deported is automatically anaziwhowantstokillsixmillionjooos, right? rotflmosrfao
Actually, you should do a google search on Operation Wetback, deportation is doable and it should be done!
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
Deportacion Total!!!
Not at all Ian,
I merely suggested that you probably are aware of people who would have that expertise. I didn’t make aqny comment other than that. Calm down, guy..Sweat stains on the armpits of those brown shirts kinda detract from the image.
Brian,
Ike and Hoover between them deproted well over two million beaners and they were not “nazis”.
V.L.R.B!!!
Deportacion Total!!!
Ian,
I simply suggested that you might know some people with skills in the “transportation” industries.
sheesh
And you are suggesting that clients start “filling” their portfolios with gold.
I just naturally figured….
I see that you are well versed in the minutiae of the Holohoax, congratulations. It always amazes me that you White leftist intellectuals are so quick to argue against the existence of God yet you are so quick to embrace every absurdity regarding the holohoax myth.
V.L.R.B!!
Ian
When have I made one mention of anything you’re referring to? Don’t get your jodhpurs all bunched up in a knot.
gold fillings?Eichmann/Heydrich?final solution?
Stop it already, you are killin’ me here!
V.L.R.B!!
Ian,
While I disagree with you, you seem to be a pretty good sport about it. Sorry for the needling.
“Ahh..now I understand. People speed in Florida. Underage kids drink..so, let’s just throw out ALL LAWS.”
Fascinating proposition, Raptor. I’d never have guessed you were an anarchist.
HEARTLANDER
“I think our country has room for a lot more people. I’ve driven. . .” Flash! The illegals ain’t going to open spaces!! They’re coming right here to River City. I too think we have some room, but I want legal immigrants and US citizens to go there.
“Germany has a smaller area than Kansas+Oklahoma. It has 80 million. . .” You must think living in populations like Japan, China and India is okay. If so, you are a distinct minority! Did you happen to catch that film on Japanese hotels renting sleeping spaces just bigger than a man???
Brian,
Not everybody who is in favor of deportation is what you would call a fascist.
I simply want them to go fix their own country and not help the greedy corporations and employers drag down this one.
For too long our elected officials have been ignoring the laws that big business/Chamber of Commerce want ignored. The costs of these broken laws are catching up with us in a big way. The business that hire these illegals should be cracked down on & the illegals would filter back to where they came from (if they could not work). There are problems with everything, but these people did come here illegally. Would someone please tell the bleeding heart liberals to feel pain for the victims (the taxpaying U.S. citizen workers) & not the criminals?
JR,
Yes, thanks for reminding me. The comments were directed specifically at Ian because Ian has a fascist streak in his worldview and because I was kind of bored. Sorry…;-)
When all the folks were waving their Red, White, and Green flags and talking about pride in who they are and what they are doing. All I have to say to that is BULLS##T. If the mexican folks are so damn proud of their country and who they are, then GO HOME and fix your own country and leave mine alone. If you all want to come here and embrace the greatness of America and become a citizen then WLECOME. IF not then LEAVE.
On the issue of “legal”, did anyone notice that the COURTS overturned California’s Prop 187, and mandated K-12 public education for all immigrant children, and federally-and-state funded medical services for all aliens, legal or otherwise? You see, it’s kinda complicated. The courts have said undocumented immigrants deserve some rights of American citizens.
The courts have usurped powers never envisioned in the Constitution, but so have presidents. Article One is lengthy. Article Two is shorter. Article Three is very short. The framers wanted Congress to be the most powerful branch, the executive less powerful, and the courts least powerful. “Separate but Equal” was NOT their intent. Find that clause in the Constitution.
John Marshall’s ruling in Madison v. Marberry is held to be the foundation of the court’s power to interpret the Constitution. But Marshall only judged, “You lawmakers have said one thing in the constitution, and something blatantly different more recently. The Constitution DENIES me the power to judge your recent petition. It is out of my jurisdiction.”
Earlier, the Federalists passed theAlien and Sedition Acts outlawing any statements that criticized elected officials. These blatantly violated the First Amendment, but justice Salmon Chase gave priority to a statute over the Constitution. He is really the father of wrongful diminution of the Constitution.
Do you really want to vilify illegal immigrants? How about the slaves who escaped to free states, where they automatically were accorded the rights of citizenship, but were ordered by the Supreme Court to be returned to the slave states, and those aiding and abetting their free-state residence were to be arrested and prosecuted. So, they were “illegal immigrants” who were deported. Raise your hand if you agree that the Dredd Scott decision was in the best interests of the United States of America.
Sorry, that’s Marbury v. Madison. It’s past my bedtime.
Congress could pass a statute that required rulings by the Supreme Court to be unanimous, or else if judgments were split, the Court would have to say, “This is beyond our jurisdiction to adjudicate, because the law, according to our reading, means one thing to some of us, and something entirely different to others of us. So pass new statutes or constitutional amendments to give us clear instructions.”
I’m not a lawyer, but I know of cases where the Court cited legislative history–closely examining and citing the arguments made in Congress to support a law’s passage, and other cases where the Court’s majority has capriciously decided to ignore the foundation of laws’ passage and make totally arbitrary decisions that ignored Congress’s intent.
Five-four decisions in particular are not principled, they are typically political–the very thing that our Founding Fathers did not want the Supreme Court to fall prey to.
Heartlander,Close, but do well to remember that those slaves were brought here under the compulsion of force against their will. Modern day illegal aliens come here under the compulsion of sheer monetary necessity. However, they came here by their own volition, and in the process had broken the EXISTING LAWS of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Code.
Cheers!
Kansas needs more laws?
Naww….they need a constitutional amendment. Just having a LAW against gay marriage wasnt enough.
Kansans knew the law didnt matter? Is that why a constitutional amendment was needed to keep the queers in their place?
I guess I will know kansans are SERIOUS about illegal immigration when they adopt a constitutional amendment on the subject.
That’ll REALLY teach ‘em.
See how well it stopped people from being gay?
And you wonder why I get nervous when people start talking of rounding up a group and shipping them off…
Ian, If the reeducation of of the Jews, fags, Communists and other scum were truly a hoax then our Aryan ancestors were abject failures.
CrusaderX,
Immigration law was intentionally set up to be weak, i.e. the penalty for breaking it is simply deportation, not imprisonment followed by deportation. And even deportation has never been strongly enforced. You have some dog-and-pony-show raids, and that’s about it. (See Cheech and Chong’s “Born in East L.A.”) Kinda like laws against “underage drinking” and “underage sex”. Parents could be heavily fined into penury, and that might be effective, but nobody has passed these laws. Nobody has passed a law imposing incarceration for driving 10 mph over the speed limit.
Our society has a bifurcation between those who think they can gain advantage by the employment of cheap foreign laborers, and those who feel their own or their children’s own employment is threatened. The latter group doesn’t wield power.It’s ancestry was brought here to do low-value work. That’s how America became able to compete against the European powers.
It’s really sad that workers are being pitted against each other, but that’s the way life is. Maybe you need to form a workers party. Maybe this can be effective by melding white, black and Hispanic workers, and realizing that you have been pitted against each other, but you have far more in common than you have differences. Or maybe you will just let each other continue to be picked apart, divided and conquered.
If this child had been born in Mexico, he would be dead now. You good conservatives who would do anything to keep such children from being born in the USA also believe wholeheartedly in the rights of the unborn. Isn’t there some conflict here, or do you believe only in the rights of unborn Americans? Or is it that those rights vanish as soon as the kid is born?
Good call Jed, let’s allow every single third worlder into this country who doesn’t have access to proper nutrition or medical care! I am glad to see that you have recovered from your lobotomy!
V.L.R.B!!
CrusaderX,
You need to study American history. In the War for Independence, most, but far from all, colonists, decided that they could do better for themselves by either establishing enough power to make the King treat the colonists as equals to citizens living in England, or just separate themsevles.
After England relinquished the colonies, the options were to have small nations manage themselves, or to band together, primarily for defense against England, or France or Spain. The former idea, as expressed in the Articles of Confederation was posited to be insufficient, so a new nation was proposed.
To forge a new nation, the southern colonies proposed “equitable representation” by counting slaves as 3/5’s citizens for representative-number purposes, but these 3/5’s citizen headcounts wouldn’t be allowed to vote.
This was a bad idea, but our Founding Fathers accepted it. When experiments are being proposed ad hoc, sustainable ideas are not necessarily proposed. The Founding Fathers were not concerned about the long term, only what is workable for the time being.
Your statement that Africans were transported against their will, but Mexicans come here of their own free will, is silly-headed. Slaves who of their own free will escaped to the northern states, were forced back into slavery by a Southern-dominated government whose power rested on a strange slaveholders count for more than non-slaveholder WHITES in congressional and electoral college representations. Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger Tanney, a southerner, signed the Dredd Scott decision, stripping northern-state immigrants of their legal rights. Today’s Supreme Court repudiates that decision.
President Bush, a putative Episcopalian turned Methodist, placed two Catholics onto the Supreme Court. Most Mexican immigrants profess the Catholic faith. Who do you think is going to prevail here?
I’m not trying to put you down, only to get you to see reality. Maybe you want to see a new Ku Klux Klan, with the target being Mexicans. Sorry, but your concept isn’t going to happen.
Heart,
I know nothing is going to happen concerning illegal immigration; especially since it’s nigh election time, and the spineless politicians who think only to further their own careers wish to appear pallatable to the Hispanic voter. Can America assimilate 30 million foreigners in a short-time? If amnesty is proposed, then the 15% Hispanic population will swell up to 27%. That would boost the country’s Catholic population of 25% rather considerably. The question is, does the Protestant majority and the secular-progressives really want to contend with a Catholic superpower voting bloc? Or perhaps you think you can convert them?
“The question is, does the Protestant majority and the secular-progressives really want to contend with a Catholic superpower voting bloc?”
Dont we already have that?
Ks,
Are you sure you want 30 million more opponents to your same-sex marriage agenda? Is that what you want? Is it?
The question is how to get rid of the millions of illegals. ONE BUS AT A TIME.
I was always told that we have to live to the full extent of the law. Nobody’s above the law. But I guess that applies only to American Citizens. How do we explain that to our children?
Mass Deportation is the subject here. I think it’s not really needed and we could take longer in building that fence. So, the estimate to deport illegal aliens is up to 500 BILLION dollars (Gov. Schwarzenegger). And George (does he want that sum for Iran?) and Sam Brownback say they are here to stay. UGH.
Let’s KISS! (Keep it Simple Stupid).
1. Heavy fines for those that employ illegals. Three violations and the employer’s licenses are pulled.2. All services, welfare, voting, owning property, driving, medical (except emergencies) etc., available only to US citizens and those with VALID ID; social security cards, green cards, visas, etc.3. Law enforcement (from the president, through ICE/INS/Homeland Security to the local patrol officer) does its job.4. Modify the “automatic citizen” law for those born in the U.S.5. Lend assistance for illegals now wanting to go home.
Seems like a large savings to me.
Please, please, please tell me why this won’t work.
Today, I saw the American flag on a staff BELOW the Mexican flag. What do you think their intentions are?