President Bush proclaimed 50 days after the fall of Baghdad that “we have found the weapons of mass destruction,” referring to two small trailers believed to be mobile biological laboratories. The claim was repeated for months by administration officials. But two days before Bush made the announcement, a secret fact-finding team filed a classified report concluding that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons, The Washington Post reported. In fact, the joke apparently was that we found “the biggest sand toilets in the world.”
The Post hasn’t determined whether the report was shared with the White House or other political leaders. If it wasn’t, why not? Was there a culture in which news that didn’t support the administration’s case for war wasn’t welcome? And if it was shared. . . .
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Duh. Bush knew. Of course. And then they lied anyway.
If Bush didn’t know, he shouldn’t be President. And because he did know, and lied about it, he should NO LONGER be President.
Can you Wingnuts please, please, please just admit that Bush is lying about this, so that you can salvage some respect for yourselves?
Bush makes Clinton look like Honest Abe!
It is funny watching the chickens come home to roost. Didn’t anyone ever teach him that lies will eventually catch up with you? Guess he was counting on a successful outcome before that happened.
I would love to hook up shrub and slick willie to polygraph machines and have both traitors answer questions from unscreened callers on national television. That would be “reality” tv worth watching.
PS: Of course he lied!
V.L.R.B
Maybe Bush didn’t know. After all, there are still people who believe that the world is flat and that PI=3.
It would be extremely hard to prove that Bush knew or knows anything!
And this is the guy that”fully understands” everything?
What has the president known, and when will he understand it?
it goes to show that classifying ’secrets’ mainly serves corrupt puplic officials by shielding their lies from the public. More transparency is the only answer folks.
Bush has demonstrated that not only can he declassify, but also classify to support a lie. He could have taught Clinton a few tricks!
In the Bush administration truth is classified and lies are declassified.
Good news is that Leaker In Chief is taking a backseat. Bad news is that Liar In Chief, is the headline story!
Bush is complaining that disclosing this information is “irresponsible”
I can just hear the Intelligence community, ” I can’t take this upstairs!” “Bury it!”.
Where are the Bush defenders? Bring on the hypocrites!
It’s a revelation a day with these people. Too much corruption and incompetence to keep up with.
LOOK! THERE’S MONICA! AND HER DRESS IS STAINED!!!!!!!!
Well,
Maybe 2 days wasn’t enough for for them to re-program bush to rehearse his statement. So he went out with old data.
Any bets the right has got private investigators watching Clinton so the bushies can distract attention with a report that Clinton spit on a sidewalk somewhere?
Isn’t it past time for Rush to have his talking points out to the faithful?
Did Bush Know?You got to be kidding.He is so stupid that he can barley find his way home.
You’re unfairly taxing the boy’s IQ by asking about “knowing things.”
He should be on Jay Leno’s “all stars,” where Jay asks the man on the street simple questions { and nobody gets the answers right; Bush would feel right at home }.
Ask Bush what sovereignty happens to be { and get ready to bite your lip to stop from breaking-out in hysterics.
I like the way Bush, with his chest all puffed out, struts off the helicopter and salutes the Marine. Bush acts like he is some sort of tin-soldier, little-boy playing “president games,” the only difference being real people and soldiers are dying.”
The “bugger” on the finger is back, quick, roll down the window.
Listen . . . hear that?
(sniff, whine, sniffle)
That’s the sound of the conservatives quietly sobbing into their beer, knowing that they supported the
WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
Damn right he knew. And his handlers knew as well. They knew that starting a war was the best way to keep a restive electoriate under control. And they knew they could let Haliburton and the oil companies steal the treasury blind while we were looking the other way. Come November, if the Dems take power and the first words out of their mouths isn’t “Impeachment” or “Prosecute”, I’m going to be one pissed off voter.
Let’s go back to July of 05 and see how the conservatives were willing to spin and shill for the Liar-in-Chief shall we?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2005/07/all_dressed_up__1.html
Antares wrote:
Bush lied.
Here’s a link from the White House’s own transcripts–http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/interview5.html
Q But, still, those countries who didn’t support the Iraqi Freedom operation use the same argument, weapons of mass destruction haven’t been found. So what argument will you use now to justify this war?
THE PRESIDENT: We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two. And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.
Here’s Hank’s response:
Dear Antares,
And the lie is? At the time President Bush made this statement I think he really did believe these trucks were mobile labs. I still think they probably were. They wee made in Germany. At the time they were discovered everyone seemed pretty sure they sere mobile labs. A few weeks before the presidents statement Powell or Rumsfield said they were labs.
Then the story they were portable hydrogen generators came out. Really? Of course everyone on the left immediately believed that! They were used to make hydrogen for weather balloons. Of course, no weather balloons were ever found. There is no evidence that the Sadman cared enough about the weather to launch a balloon.
But, if you wanted to launch a balloon, why not have Germany build you a couple of trucks to make hydrogen? Quarter million a piece. Keep ‘em secret, why?, because they don’t want anyone to know they are paying $500,000.00 to make hydrogen with a truck they can hide (and do hide) when you can buy helium for $50.00 a bottle.
What amazes me is not the twisted way liberals try to find evidence the president is a liar, but the amount of evidence that he is not a liar they have to wade through to find it!
Sorry Antares, you’ve given me know evidence that what the president said was untrue.
*****
Match, set, and point. You lose, Hank.
Unfortunately, because of people like you, the whole country is losing.
Forgive me, but it’s worth repeating…….BIDEN: (snip) And – and the president will say things to me, and I’ll literally turn to the president, say, “Mister President, how can you say that, knowing you don’t know the facts?” And he’ll look at me and he’ll say – my word – he’ll look at me and he’ll say, “My instincts.” He said, “I have good instincts.”
I said, “Mister President, your instincts aren’t good enough.” [laughter] [applause]
…..
I think it’s obvious that George’s instincts told him there were mobile biological labs. After all, that’s what he needed, therefore they were there. If anyone refuted it with facts in the days prior to his announcement (remember, he was told not to mention the uranium deal in the SOTU speech), he let his instinct (his gut?) take the lead, to hell with reports and the truth.
This, unfortunately, is what we’re stuck with. Impeachment? I doubt it. The current Administration is built on lies. Tell one lie, cover it with 50 others. No one will allow an unraveling. One of his favorite things to say is “I think.” Typical CYA, and he’s done very well with it.
From the WaPo article–
“But interviews reveal that the technical team was unequivocal in its conclusion that the trailers were not intended to manufacture biological weapons.”
Still, Bush continued to assert that they WERE mobile bio labs.
The new Webster’s Dictionary is going to put Bush’s picture next to the entry for “liar.”
Will Powell over come out and tell the truth about what he knew?
I love reading those old threads!!
Thing is? Ya gotta feel sorry for Hank and the few remaining self deceiving unapologetic followers of bush.
Go back and look at the old threads and see how many of them THERE WERE vs how few now.
More Bushie lies …
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/04/12/EDGNSGUB1N1.DTL
Now Powell tells us- Robert Scheer, Creators SyndicateWednesday, April 12, 2006
THE PRESIDENT played the scoundrel — even the best of his minions went along with the lies — and when a former ambassador dared to tell the truth, the White House initiated what Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald calls “a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson.” That is the important story line.
If not for the whistle-blower, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, President Bush’s falsehoods about the Iraq nuclear threat likely would never have been exposed.
On Monday, former Secretary of State Colin Powell told me that he and his department’s top experts never believed that Iraq posed an imminent nuclear threat, but that the president followed the misleading advice of Vice President Dick Cheney and the CIA in making the claim. Now he tells us.
The harsh truth is that this president cherry-picked the intelligence data in making his case for invading Iraq and deliberately kept the public in the dark as to the countervailing analysis at the highest level of the intelligence community. While the president and his top Cabinet officials were fear-mongering with stark images of a “mushroom cloud” over American cities, the leading experts on nuclear weaponry at the Department of Energy (the agency in charge of the U.S. nuclear-weapons program) and the State Department thought the claim of a near-term Iraqi nuclear threat was absurd.
“The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons,” said a dissenting analysis from an assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research (INR) in the now infamous 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, which was cobbled together for the White House before the war. “Iraq may be doing so but INR considers the available evidence inadequate to support such a judgment.”
The specter of the Iraqi nuclear threat was primarily based on an already-discredited claim that Iraq had purchased aluminum tubes for the purpose of making nuclear weapons. In fact, at the time, the INR wrote in the National Intelligence Estimate that it “accepts the judgment of technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the case that they are intended for that purpose.”
Hell no Ben.
Powell was the only one of the bunch with any sense. That is why he got out.
But if he ever decided to run for anything their may be ghosts.
Powell was as big a liar as any of them.
Ben,Powell was a good military man; he knew how to take orders without questioning them.
Too bad about Powell, I liked his style.
That was before he turned into a shill.
There was a time when I would have liked to see him run for president.
Ben, I don’t believe that. I have to ask myself what they held over his head to make him go along with a thing like that. Powell is one of the greatest military minds this country has produced. What made him go wrong?
It’s a sad thing when an honorable man sells out.
Everybody has a price.
Whose War?
http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html
Serial murderers.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=80651&d=13&m=4&y=2006
What does Israel do which the United States needs?
XXX, that’s exactly what I’ve always wondered. What did they have on him? It just didn’t add up that Powell would follow along like a puppy, never asking, never questioning, just doing what he’s told to do.
RD, it just seems strange that a man with Powell’s history, credentials, and sense of honor would do something like that. But I thought it was exceedingly strange that he got involved with the Bush Junta in the first place.
Ed, to the extent you were perceived as bashing people for something inherent to their race, religion or ancestry, that was your perception problem. Keep that in mind.
Ian, this is STILL your problem. I’ve been giving you every chance, but my patience is wearing thin. What happened to “peace and love to all God’s creatures”? Being a Buchanan supporter is okay I guess (definitely NOT to my taste, but he’s definitely an outsider these days and, along with Perot, he at least had the sense to denounce NAFTA). But if you’re truly just a “nationalist” and not a plain old racist (and, how, exactly, would the resources be divided?), you’re not doing a good job of convincing anyone.
Horst, cheney off. You’ve never contributed anything worthwhile here, regardless of ideology.
Looks like the wrong thread again (gotta stop doing that!).
The Washington post and GMA have done it again.
If you actually read the post report completely you will find that the report that claimed the trailers were not mobile weapons labs you will find that it was a minority report. Several other teams examined it said it was a mobile weapons lab.
John Hinderacker of Powerline has an excellent deconstruction.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013742.php
More old news being twisted into “Bush Lied” BS.
From Hinderacker.With a link to the actual CIA/DIA reports.
“The very next day, May 28, 2003, the CIA and DIA publicly issued a ten-page report titled “Iraqi Mobile Biological Warfare Agent Production Plants.” You can download the report here. The joint CIA/DIA report unequivocally and enthusiastically proclaimed the mobile trailers that had been discovered in Iraq to be mobile bioweapon facilities.”
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraqi_mobile_plants/paper_w.pdf
Rage, The Zionists always claim “victim” status, that’s the core of their propaganda and there’s a difference between me being “perceived” as being a racist or bigot and that being true.
I don’t attack the Zionists because of their race or religion, but rather because of what they do.
Big difference. Rage, what you’re describing is the effectiveness of their propaganda.
Google “Ed Friedemann” and read the piece from Al Jazeera, about the Palestinian Holocaust Museum
Good fun heckler – ignorance as the best defense.
Hi, my name is Heckler and I’m a bush supporter.
but no one is left to say “Hi Heckler!”
Nature Lesson:
Watch as the blue-crested liberals once again begin their “shouting down” behavior rather than address substantive points. Notice how these supposedly open minded creatures don’t bother with concerns of fairness in their herd, no, pack mentality. They form a circle for protection and simply insult and ridicule those that dare question the pack. It is easier than thinking.
Outlander – with everything else we have learned about “selective release” of information we have become justifiably skeptical about these claims that “everyone thought they were real”. I remember AT THE TIME that serious doubts were being raised including by me. I asked AT THE TIME about the failure to find any evidence of trace chemicals in the trailers. The claim was that Iraqis are vastly superior to most other chemical operators in decontamination techniques. NOT!
Face it – these trailers were NOT mobile WMD facilities. The claim that they were was bogus. Perhaps if Bush had said something like “we MIGHT have something” then I might let him off the hook. Instead he trumpeted the (false) claim far and wide. And, even after its falsity had been shown he (and his toady Powell) continued to trumpet that bogus claim.
Ben
You know whats fun? Saddam probably paid the Germans 10 million bucks for a thrown together piece of junk that they called a portable bio-weapons factory that they knew could not make bio weapons without a complete rebuild.
You know what else is fun? Big media leads you folks around like a pet pig with a ring in its nose. They throw you a rotten piece of meat and you guys think your in heaven.
Ben
Two reports went out in 2 days, the first saying no, the second one, the official one saying yes. Bush didnt read either. CIA briefed him and said yes. Whats he supposed to do?
HAHAHA! Good joke Heckler! So, just how IS that WMD search going?
Powell trying to regain some of his integrity.Now He Tells UsBy Robert Scheer, AlterNetPosted on April 12, 2006
The president played the scoundrel — even the best of his minions went along with the lies — and when a former ambassador dared to tell the truth, the White House initiated what Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald calls “a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson.” That is the important story line.
If not for the whistle-blower, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, President Bush’s falsehoods about the Iraq nuclear threat likely would never have been exposed.
On Monday, former Secretary of State Colin Powell told me that he and his department’s top experts never believed that Iraq posed an imminent nuclear threat, but that the president followed the misleading advice of Vice President Dick Cheney and the CIA in making the claim. Now he tells us.
The harsh truth is that this president cherry-picked the intelligence data in making his case for invading Iraq and deliberately kept the public in the dark as to the countervailing analysis at the highest level of the intelligence community. While the president and his top Cabinet officials were fear-mongering with stark images of a “mushroom cloud” over American cities, the leading experts on nuclear weaponry at the Department of Energy (the agency in charge of the U.S. nuclear-weapons program) and the State Department thought the claim of a near-term Iraqi nuclear threat was absurd.
“The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons,” said a dissenting analysis from an assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research (INR) in the now infamous 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, which was cobbled together for the White House before the war. “Iraq may be doing so but INR considers the available evidence inadequate to support such a judgment.”
The specter of the Iraqi nuclear threat was primarily based on an already-discredited claim that Iraq had purchased aluminum tubes for the purpose of making nuclear weapons. In fact, at the time, the INR wrote in the National Intelligence Estimate that it “accepts the judgment of technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the case that they are intended for that purpose.”
The other major evidence President Bush gave Americans for a revitalized Iraq nuclear program, of course, was his 2003 State of the Union claim — later found to be based on forged documents — that a deal had been made to obtain uranium from Niger. This deal was exposed within the administration as bogus before the president’s speech in January by Ambassador Wilson, who traveled to Niger for the CIA. Wilson only went public with his criticisms in an op-ed piece in the New York Times a half year later in response to what he charged were the administration’s continued distortion of the evidence. In excerpts later made available to the public, it is clear that the Niger claim doesn’t even appear as a key finding in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, while the INR dissent in that document dismisses it curtly: “[T]he claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are, in INR’s assessment highly dubious.”
I queried Powell at a reception following a talk he gave in Los Angeles on Monday. Pointing out that the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate showed that his State Department had gotten it right on the nonexistent Iraq nuclear threat, I asked why did the president ignore that wisdom in his stated case for the invasion?
“The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote,” Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush’s State of the Union speech? “That was a big mistake,” he said. “It should never have been in the speech. I didn’t need Wilson to tell me that there wasn’t a Niger connection. He didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know. I never believed it.”
When I pressed further as to why the president played up the Iraq nuclear threat, Powell said it wasn’t the president: “That was all Cheney.” A convenient response for a Bush family loyalist, perhaps, but it begs the question of how the president came to be a captive of his vice president’s fantasies.
More important: Why was this doubt, on the part of the secretary of state and others, about the salient facts justifying the invasion of Iraq kept from the public until we heard the truth from whistle-blower Wilson, whose credibility the president then sought to destroy? In matters of national security, when a president leaks, he lies.
By selectively releasing classified information to suit his political purposes, as President Bush did in this case, he is denying that there was a valid basis for keeping the intelligence findings secret in the first place. “We ought to get to the bottom of it, so it can be evaluated by the American people,” said Sen. Arlen Specter, the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. I couldn’t have put it any better.
Robert Scheer is the author of the new book, Playing President: My Relationships with Nixon, Carter, Bush I, Reagan and Clinton — and How They Did Not Prepare Me for George W. Bush. Read more Scheer at TruthDig.© 2006 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/34861/
For those of you who skipped the preceeding, here’s the relevant paragraph: On Monday, former Secretary of State Colin Powell told me that he and his department’s top experts never believed that Iraq posed an imminent nuclear threat, but that the president followed the misleading advice of Vice President Dick Cheney and the CIA in making the claim. Now he tells us.
“I don’t attack the Zionists because of their race or religion, but rather because of what they do.”
I certainly know that now, but rememember, this is just a blog. Backstories and motives are usually missing, particularly for newbies. And sometimes your approach could be likened to a passionate opponent of theocracy (like myself) bursting into a roomful of fundies shouting “Christians are fascists!”
That said, your unwavering persistence and unwillingness to be cowed has undoubtably gotten people’s attention.
“Go back and look at the old threads and see how many of them THERE WERE vs how few now.”
I wasn’t around then, but I have since perused the archives. What a difference a year makes, huh?
Outlander, please continue to contribute your substance. We need it: Our enemy is after our precious bodily fluids!
And, to continue with the movie metaphors: If you build it, they will come.
It’s too late for Powell. In fact, he has admitted that he KNEW they were lies but played along.
Yes, it’s too little too late. He probably can’t say too much with out further exposing his collusion. I always wondered if his son getting the fcc commission job played an integral role in Powell’s decision to be a toadie.
Outlander–
Do you think about what you post?
Whenever we on the left complained about the way this administration was using “intelligence,” we were called “terrorist lovers.” Hank and Nathan and Heckler and YOU piled on about how we were hurting our cause, demoralizing the troops, aiding and abetting the enemy. Remember that, Outlander?
NoJoCo said that Saddam Hussein would find safe haven in KSFrmGrrl’s or ProudLib’s house.
Remember that?
Now that everything we said is proving to be right, and everything that you said is proving to be BUSH LIES, suddenly WE’RE guilty of “shouting people down.”
The Iraq War is going so badly, at this point it doesn’t even matter whether we were lied into or not (even though we obviously were lied into it).
People are seeing that Bush–even if not a liar–is just stupid for starting this war.
Unfortunately, the soldiers, the Iraqi civilians, and our entire country are paying a heavy price for supporting this man as long as we have.
Rage:”Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!”
Hey, the rest of you,Who told Outlander our club’s motto: “Rumor Provokes Reality” — that was supposed to be secret!
One thing I was wondering: should I admire Heckler more for trying to make an argument, or admire Outlander more for recognizing immediately that there is no viable argument and thus s/he starts with ad hominem comments?
Vote for your favorite strategy at 1-800-CON-IDOL. Thank you.
BTW, DD, the purple chicken will eventually be paying you a visit. I just haven’t had time (shouldn’t even be doing this!). :(
Nature Lesson (continued)
Notice how the liberal pack is uncowed, in fact energized, after seeing their reflections posted in the blog. As such, legend has it, that we will see several more posts of malarky.
DD: You sly devil. It’s “he”.
Outlander no longer fears marginallizing himself beyond the limits of serious relevance. He EMBRACES his status as a joke.
Nature Lesson (continued)
Notice how the “Liberal Pack” is unfazed by the presence of an insignificant flea.
Rome, Apr 12 (Prensa Latina) Romano Prodi, the leader of the Union coalition, which won the latest elections in Italy, said on Wednesday that he will withdraw the Italian troops from Iraq when he takes office, claiming there was no justification for the US-led invasion of the Arab country.
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B0793C349-FA8E-43EA-81E1-1CA77414533C%7D)&language=EN
Another “key ally in the coalition of the willing” cuts and runs.
One more election cycle in Britain, and Bush will truly stand alone in Iraq.
Outlander:”DD: You sly devil. It’s ‘he’.”
Thanks, that’s what I thought I remembered, but you know I was starting to think that I was hearing a distinctly feminine “voice”. I know that is what you guys are supposed to say about us. I really did not mean to steal your “talking point” – I apologize.
Heckler,Remember the other day when you were asking about the definition of “neo-con”? Recent news events have altered the definition:neocon: 1. “newly convicted” and alternately 2. “soon to be newly convicted”.
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Rage:Look forward to that free-range & free-thought chicken.
DD
Thanks for the info, always looking to expand my knowledge of the english language.
DD
I noticed no one actually addressed my arguement. That seems to happen around here a lot when it comes to clear logical arguements.
Heckler – I did address your comments. Your boy continued to make the claims well after they had been shown to be false.
Ben
I can’t find it. What time was your post?
8:55
2367 dead.
Heckler–
I find when the right-wing links to a SINGLE SOURCE that has this amazing counter-intuitive argument against the entire MSM, it usually doesn’t mean bumpkis.
Weren’t you the one who linked to an article about how much better things were going in Iraq than everybody thought they knew, and the anti-war warriors were going to have to just eat their words when the truth came out a couple of months ago?
Yeah, you were.
If your story had any legs, Scottie MacClelland and all the other highly-paid professional liars would be touting this somuvabitch from the roof-tops.
The fact that they aren’t tells me that Hindyracker (whoever that is) of “Powerline” (whatever that is) doesn’t have much worth concerning myself with . . .
The President isn’t denying it because he knows he lied. If he denies it, he will be caught, and then he will have been shown to be lying about lying.
That’s going to be tough to justify. He’s cutting his losses by not commenting.
Best thing he can do at this point.
Bush launches new war. “Shoot the bad news.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0413/dailyUpdate.html
I notice today that a lot of retired professional military officers are saying it’s time for Rummy to go. I guess “Big media leads (them) folks around like a pet pig with a ring in its nose. They throw (them) a rotten piece of meat and you guys think your in heaven.”
Bush ends “War on Terrorism” by nuking Israel. With Israel gone there’s nothing left to “terrorize” or be “terrorized” by.
What is it now four retired Generals that say Rummy should go. Still the Admin. peddles the line that ” It’s the Generals on the Ground that make the decisions”.
Replacing rummy with another coconut will solve nothing! This is about policy and the death grip that the zionists have on our treasonous government.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!
I agree the Zionist have deep connections in our govt. officials. I remember hearing some prominent politician a year or so ago say something to the effect that an attack on Israel is an attack on the U.S., I believe it was Dick Armey.
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
Anti-Semitism and anti-zionism aren’t the same thing, but try and convince a wing nut.
So true steve. The radical Zionists such as Meir Kahane’s terrorist KACH organization will instantly label any critic as being anti-Semitic. Just like so many of the neo-cons will label those of us who question them as being America-haters.
So true steve. The radical Zionists such as Meir Kahane’s terrorist KACH organization will instantly label any critic as being anti-Semitic. Just like so many of the neo-cons will label those of us who question them as being America-haters.
Heckler,I read you links. The CIA .pdf was from 2003 and is filled with qualifiers like “probable”, “appears” – words conveying uncertainty. I have not seen any credible sources that say we found anything ressembling WMD in Iraq.
As Saddam,et al. pointed out before we invaded when we asked him to prove that he did not have any WMD, proving a negative is logically impossible. So, I am unable to provide proof that there had not been any WMD since 1991, but I am not aware of any credible sources supporting their existence in Iraq since then.
The whole question if Bush mislead by saying we had found WMD, when it appears that he had been told that we had not two days before is a whole ‘nother story. It looks like they caught him prevaricating to me. McClelland is protesting loudly that Bush did not lie. We’ll have to see as this story develops.
Oh, the neocon definitions above were a joke. Those fellows do seem to be getting into a lot of trouble these days. The one bit of good news for Bush, et al. today was that Fitzgerald modified his filing on whether Libby had been encouraged to exaggerate info from the NIE report that he was allowed to leak. See my comments and links on the appropriate thread.
Thursday, April 13, 2006; A18
“The Bush administration yesterday denounced a Washington Post report that questioned the handling of postwar intelligence on alleged Iraqi biological weapons labs. A White House spokesman acknowledged that President Bush’s assertions about the suspected labs were in error but said this was caused by flawed intelligence work rather than an effort to mislead.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/12/AR2006041201789_pf.html
Heckler, you’ll note the part where it says “A White House spokesman acknowledged that President Bush’s assertions about the suspected labs were in error”.
So tell us some more about these bio-weapons trailers you seem to know so much about. Your source is Hinderacker? Isn’t he the one that everybody calls “Assrocket”?
So tell me Heckler, who do we believe, assrocket, or the Whitehouse?
EEwwwww! There’s a tough question.
XXX–
Oh, so he’s the “Assrocket!”
Hehe, I’ve seen the references on many a blog but didn’t know the person refered to. Thanks for that.
Yup, Mr. Bush is really making things hard for his suck-ups. They don’t know when he switches from “I know ____ is true” to “I made an error when I said ___ is true.”
They’re still back trying to argue ____ is true.
Poor ignorant SOB’s.
There’s only one way out for these conservatives at this point: they have to bail out of Bush’s leaking Titanic and argue that they supported Bush because they thought he was a conservative, but he’s not.
Which is true actually . . .
TruMad, there is another way. They could all do us a favor and just cut their wrists. The cleansing effect on the gene pool would be enormous.
If you believe Bush, you need to stop breeding…NOW!
Hehehe, yer wicked, but funny!
Outlander has quit the field and Heckler now calls an insult rant (8:55) an arguement.
Give’em credit. The rest of the right is strangely silent.
At the beginning of every administration ther has been a pi$$ing contest between the Secretary of Defence and the Secretary of War.Sense Rummy was one of them that talked Bushytail into running for president, Powell didn’t have a chance because Chaney and Rummy were running the whole show.
Powell didn’t have a chance because he had some semblance of honor.
Not much, but some, which puts him head and shoulders above the Bush crowd.
Thanks TruMad. Most people say I’m sick, lol!
Should Rice be offended by Israeli slave-trading, and should the US finance it?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/705920.html
“If you believe Bush, you need to stop breeding…NOW!”
OMG XXX, I am HOWLING!!
Does that mean gay people are no longer the biggest threat to the gene pool?
Does anyone wanna bet this post will eventually result in another nature lesson about self congratulation?
Welcome back to our mindfart, KFG! You know I’ve missed you.
Ah, gays were never a threat to anybody unless you’re a married republican.
I’ve always wondered why republicans marry in the first place. They hate children after they’re born, and sex is nasty, nasty, no!, no!!!!
Children sired by republicans are a hazzard to the gene pool.
When republicans divorce, can they still address each other as “cousin”?
“When republicans divorce, can they still address each other as “cousin”?”Unless they move to Texas, than its, “hi sis.”
Or maybe “Hi Mom”?