A New York Times story and subsequent editorial about the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay underscored concerns that our editorial board has voiced in the past. Thanks to a lawsuit that forced the release of records about the prisoners, the Times learned that among the prisoners at Guantanamo who deserve to be locked up, there are those who do not. For instance, Abdur Sayed Rahman appears to be nothing more than a chicken farmer unlucky enough to have a name similar to a Taliban official. There are others like Rahman, and they are being jailed indefinitely. If we truly value freedom, we should apply the rule of law to separate the innocent from the guilty.
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“If we truly value freedom, we should apply the rule of law to separate the innocent from the guilty.”
I agree Melissa. But our presidente’ has managed to make the question of wrongly imprisoned vs. the rightfully imprisoned a very unclear distinction.
Nespa?
You know how many people are wrongly incarcerated every year? Somewhere in the thousands…
If we do not live by the American way. Why defend it if it means so little.
Bush and his Israeli buddies belong in jail.
We are not living the American way. We are living the Israeli way, which is akin to a gang of murderous thugs.
Bush finds law and order annoying.
Too much power, too much arrogance. Israel needs to be shut-down and taught a lesson.http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/692252.html
The jails and prisons are full of the same innocent people.Tough sh#t
Ron Lewis–
Why do you hate the Constitution? If you like locking up political prisoners, why don’t you move to Cuba?
HOW they are treated is also important. Many German POWs became America’s best friends when they went home because they saw us as an honorable and humane people. Too many today are seeing us as being barbarians like Ron Lewis.
We are acting like Israeli barbarians. The Israeli Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to shoot women in the legs for protesting the wall.
Who thinks like that besides barbarians?
And the list of barbaric acts and injustices is near-endless.
Oh yes, they are being treated like barbarians…
That is an overstatement.
Does Hell have a right to exist? Perhaps it does but not in the Middle East.
Ed,Hell exists wherever we create it.
I guess you’re right, it just doesn’t seem we should be financing it.
Oh, and they stall the ambulances until the ones who are going to bleed-out, bleed out.
And the sick part is that this is all part of making life horrible for the Palestinians. It a plan, for God’s sake.
And all this would stop by simply appling justice, not power lust or greed, just simple justice.
The PNACers are crazy sick people.
ED,
The zionists are applying justice, their own talmudic brand of “justice”.
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile (”Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.”
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals
Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog (”Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed”).
This passage is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, “Gentile,” (p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, “…in the various versions the reading has been altered, ‘The best among the Egyptians’ being generally substituted.” In the Soncino version: “the best of the heathens” (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are “dogs” is derived “from the Talmud.” (CBS 60 Minutes, “Kahane”).http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html
V.L.R.B!!
As I said: Crazy sick thugs, a whole country of the “son of sam.”
And his dog.
Or put it this way: Can you imagine our Supreme Court saying it was alright to shoot women in the legs? For protesting Walmart?
These “Things” treat insanity as though it is a virtue.
One didn’t fly over the coo-coo’s nest, they all went to live there with their Dog.
The new loony says not as many billions will be spent on new settlements as has been { New Loony is talking about US taxpayer money} so you should all bow and scrape for his generosity? All this while he collects billions of aid money all at once then turns and buys T-Bonds collecting interest on money which was prematurely given in the first place….free on top of free. { AIPAC Pulled that one off }
Didn’t know that, did ya?
Rice works so hard
“Political satire is now officially redundant”–Sparky.
Redundant? Is that this same thing as a dent in my fender?
Look back; Brainless had his photo opt by the Red Sea with his “road-map” to a Palestinian State flapping in the wind { with the escape clause; you’re not doing enough to fight “terrorism” } then proceeded to watch Israel violate every aspect of the “Road-map” without so much as finger-wagging, while hammering away building more illegal settlements.
At what point does a man know he’s a fool? And realize people people are wincing?
The Zionists are akin to Adolph Hitler in the 30s, same six lines arranged to form a different emblem, but much, much better propaganda.
At least with Hitler “whatever you saw is what you got.”
The Zionists have it on constant “spin-control.” And even pass laws against checking-out the “spin.” Rice goes so far as to threaten to take away vitally needed foreign aid if a country refuses to “play along.”
They must have promised Rice to be Head of the Gestapo { Homeland Security, in the new order }.
Abu Graib was wrecking the “spin” so they’re shutting it down and building new prisons. Name one. See what I mean? it’s already working.
On KMUW at this time is the program “This American Life” entitled “Habeas Schmabeas” which outlines the crime that Gitmo is. I would encourage anyone to listen to the program.
5% of the Gitmo prisoners were captured on the battle field;8% are Al Qaeda fighters;[contrast that with the lies of GW Bush and Dick Cheney]The rest seem to be “mistakes” of some variety. More than a few were turned in for the cash that was offered by the CIA. One guy ran essentially a Pashtun “Mad Magazine” – he pissed people off, they gave the authorities his name, and he was held in Gitmo for a few years. He was interrogated many times over a story where he offered the equivalent of 113 dollars for the capture of Bill Clinton – a joke!!! He was held & tortured for a effing joke!!!
Just AMAZING!
And before you conservatives dismiss this source remember Karl Rove and friends have penetrated NPR – so there have been efforts to produce “fair and balanced” reporting at NPR since.
With a joke about Clinton I’m surprised the Bushies didn’t give the guy a Medal of Freedon.
I heard it too, DD.
Another thing to consider, folks: The most damning info on the show came from uncontested facts–things the administration has stated openly as so: the denial of any oversight or recourse(Geneva convention, habeus corpus etc.). But of course, those things disappear into the memory hole as time lurches on.
And we’ve always been at war with Eurasia.
There was also a segment of history regarding the Magna Carta, and that darned habeus corpus, which dates back to then (1215). It appears that people in 17th century took it more seriously than 21st century Americans do. Which scares the hell out of me.
Checked http://www.thislife.org and found out the archive of the show will available in streaming audio soon. I highly recommend it to anyone with even half an open mind (hey, it’s only an hour long!).
Rage:Two things – 1) thanks for the link – the program was eye-opening to say the least; 2) check out the open thread and info about the 3-16 WE Blog picnic.Regards.