It’s an election year, so expect to see more events such as the “War on Christians and the Values Voter 2006” conference today and Tuesday in Washington, D.C., where religious conservatives are rallying grassroots Christian soldiers with apocalyptic visions of “savage and accelerating” attacks on Christians by Hollywood, the American Civil Liberties Union, the judiciary and the liberal media.
It’s no surprise that Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., is one of the main speakers at the event. He’s shown that he knows who punches his political meal ticket. But by peddling this brand of culture war divisiveness and paranoia, he risks undermining his crossover appeal down the stretch.
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I still find it amazing that I attended MidNight Mass on Christmas without getting arrested.
Damn smart, those Fundo nutjobs: play the victim and stoke the paranoia. At some point it will stop working, hopefully sooner than later.
Dream on CF. Seventy percent of kansans have proven they will swallow it whole and ask for more. It will work forever in ks.
I’ll have to weigh in on this one later. I gotta go for now.
I gotta go find a pregnant woman to drag into an abortion clinic. After that I’m gonna crash the service at Immanuel baptist, nail the door shut from the inside, and talk about science while I force everyone to look at naughty pictures. I need to finish up before the wedding that afternoon. This buisness guy I used to work for is marrying his money at city hall. I’m gonna protest.
I have to be to the adult theatre by 8 for my mandatory skinflick.
Oh spare us. If the majority of Kansans are willing to put up with this it is what is called ‘democracy.’ This is a notion that the liberal, or democrat, or prograssive (whatever title you try to hide behind this week) left like to throw around like some Harry Potter spell!
Are you saying that our form of government should be something else? A republic perhaps? Oooops. We have that and you cry foul there too. I relish the fact that in actual political struggles the party of no responsibility cant get a decent foothold without the use of a purchased judiciary.
Face it, you just cant handle the fact (I think 70% would be close enough to call it a fact) that your idealogy is worthless and noone is interested in you bringing your special brand of crap in to pollute our sandbox.
Dont like the way politics works here? Try France. Try Germany. Or China. Try North Korea. I’m sure they would love to have some whiny pouting malcontents to use for target practice.
Have a nice day. See you at the polls.
Watch them post the 2000 election. So predictable…
Ok, who turned over the rock so Don could crawl out?
Don,
‘The party of no responsibility’? Coming from a Wingnut who supports Mr. ‘Accountability Moment’ himself, that’s a laugh.
When has W EVER taken responsibility for anything? Iraq? Katrina? The deficit? Anything.
GOP: same old same old. Ideas that were bad in 1929 and 1973, and that are just as bad today.
And considering that recent polling has the Democratic Party up by an average of 11% over Repukes, I’m confident that the exercise of democratic rights will get this country back on the right track.
See you at the polls, Don Murphy
Good read: Our Endangered Values, America’s Moral Crisis by Jimmy Carter. Pretty scary stuff.
Heh! Great post Don!
Typical christian
“noone is interested in you bringing your special brand of crap in to pollute our sandbox.”
SO the truth comes out. It is HIS sandbox. In his mind:
What Don says = divine wisdom
what anyone else says = sepcial brand of polluting crap
Please don, give us more of your christian behavior.
Laughing. I see you brought your personal alter boy with you. I bet your adoring and obedient wife will be um, what…. two steps behind you here?
“whiny pouting malcontents to use for target practice.”
Gosh, that wouldnt be a threat to use me or others here for target practice, would it?
And he supports concealed carrry.
CF, looks like Time magazine agrees with you. Big article about “republicans on the run”.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1176997,00.html
Heheheh. I agree with CF. See you at the polls.
And using don’s favorite news source
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1758474
Only 51 percent of americans now disagree with my special brand of polluting crap. And the numbers continue a trend of declining opposition to my pollution.
The view is very different when you leave don’s sandbox and poll the rest of the country.
Ks is just an anti-religious bitch. Given her comment following Hegel in which she praises him for “dreaming of a world where religion no longer exists” sigh! Just another shining example of what makes up the uber-maniacal Left. Keep dreaming baby, keep dreaming…
Oh LOOK it’s Crusader blogfart! The poster boy for the right.
Please watch the language son. And how you treat a friend of mine.
I see you remember your psychotic break and your dual personality Hegel.
We have danced this dance before Crusaderblogfart. How bad would you like to come off looking THIS time?
J R, agreed.
Class shows, CrusaderX: ksfarmgrrl’s got it and you don’t.
And calling someone a ‘bitch’ in the name of religion doesn’t exactly show you in the best light.
Yeah, KFG only oozes personality and character out the wazoo and right onto the (online) page. Plus she quotes John Prine. Which is completely unlike posters who only highlight their cluelessness by attacking her without knowing her or even recognizing apparently the considerable assets she brings to any discussion.
People with opinions the most divergent from one’s own often make the very best friends, in my experience. Bonus: it’s always good to hear from a different p.o.v., humans respond well to stereo.
With comments like this from you CF, it means so much when you tell others not to use bad language.
“Specter is a total fucking hack.”
CF,
I thought you were a Christian too, right?
Why do you call Brownback a fundo nutjob?
Context Nathan context.Crusaderblogfart invoked religion in calling a poster a foul name.CF used foul language as to a politician.
But then you do have trouble separating religion and politics don’t you?
There is a difference between a Christian and a fundo nutjob.
I think we covered that.
The wetback loving senator Yellowback is no Christian, that’s for damned sure!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Oh, I must have missed the memo.
If you could be so kind as to inform me as to when using bad language is ok and when it is not?
Ian,
What is it that makes someone a Christian in your eyes?
Nathan,
For a Christian, using foul language is at least as acceptable as arguing disingenuously and with a self-serving standard of what counts as evidence. Don’t you think?
With respect to Brownback, his use of Christianity as a cultural bludgeon has very little to do with what I understand to be Christian humility. I regard his version of Christianity as politics and expediency. He’s nothing special. Just another sanctimonious, power-hungry fundo.
“I retain my right to be vile and stupid.”-CF
JR,It looks like you’re sticking to your insane “Crux is everyone whom I disagree with rhetoric.” What’s next, Sherlock? You gonna say I’m Tara? Oh wait you did that already and she proved that I didn’t swipe her name. By all means carry on with the conspiracy theory, I could use something to laugh at. =)
Hi Blogfart! I was just perusing the archives. Wanna dance?
you’re not worth my time. =)
Oh come now crusaderblogfart. Since when have you been at a loss to embarrass yourself?
Tara only said she was not Hegel.
Funny stuff guys. Thanks for defending me. CF, I think my ability to know and quote the words to almost every John Prine song is my greatest intellectual asset.
I wonder what brother John would have to say about this.
“I got kicked off of Noah’s ark for making unkind remarks, about two of everything and one of me. And when the rain came tumbling down, I held my breath and I stood my ground. And I watched that ship go sailing out to sea.
Take it back, take it back, oh no you cant say that, all of my friends are not dead or in jail….Sweet revenge, sweet revenge will prevail, without fail.”
Or maybe this from John Prine:
“It dont make no sense that common sense dont make no sense no more”.
Oops, I mean flike. Sorry. I’m slow today. Like John here:
“When I woke up this morning, things were looking bad. Seemed like total silence was the only friend I had.”
So nice to have some friends here. I appreciate it. I really do.
CruX’s brand of “Christianity” includes threatening to put bullets in peoples’ heads. Hardly the version I was taught.
Every post from CrusaderX is a cry for help.
Get help, CrusaderX.
Brownback is someone who would be at the top of his game as mayor of Salina.
That he’s a senator could only happen in Kansas . . . or maybe South Dakota.
The idea that this dweeb could be president is just ridiculous.
Forget it. Not gonna happen.
Alert: Easter is under attack from Harvery, the Six foot rabbit! Christians Unite!
Too bad the Republican’s sandbox is so full of shit!
I don’t know about Harvey but with tax deadline on the day after Easter guess where all the tax professionals will be spending Easter!
No prob KFG. Dealing with the blogfartist formerly known as CrusaderX is like playing whack a mole for me. And I gotta pocket fulla quarters.
Did you see the video of the Southern Republican Conference in which Dweeb-boy ran for president in the straw poll.
“I’m Sam Brownback, and I’m a Reagan REPUBLICAN!”
Deafening silence.
Even invoking the spirit of their dead saint couldn’t get a smattering of applause from these steely-eyed true believers.
Bill Frist won that contest, btw. Republican faithful don’t want people who talk the talk or even walk the walk.
They want people like Bush and Frist who have SOLD THEIR SOULS to Republican idolatry . . .
Brownback is crazy like a fox.
All his newfound “humanitarian” spirit and work might just be the winning card when the immigration wedge issue splits the party. Big business funds him, but catholics vote for him. Wonder how that will all shake out. As CF says…
“I loves me some immigration!”
ksfarmgrrl,
Indeed; Brownback is a would-be arch-triangulator. We’ll see if he’s too clever by half.
Question for Nathan, the Christian guardian against profanity . . .
Do you condemn
1. Bush for flipping off a gaggle of reporters?
2. Cheney for telling Leahy to “go F*** yourself” on the Senate floor?
3. your favorite Christian conservative judge the Honorable Anton Scalia for this incident?
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060327-...
Justice Scalia flips the finger in church
BOSTON, March 27 (UPI) — U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia startled reporters in Boston just minutes after attending a mass, by flipping a middle finger to his critics.
A Boston Herald reporter asked the 70-year-old conservative Roman Catholic if he faces much questioning over impartiality when it comes to issues separating church and state.
“You know what I say to those people?” Scalia replied, making the obscene gesture and explaining “That’s Sicilian.”
The 20-year veteran of the high court was caught making the gesture by a photographer with The Pilot, the Archdiocese of Boston’s newspaper.
All of us await your rationalization of your conservative heroes with baited breath . . .
Heheh, when we swear, we are defaming god. When they swear, they are just responding in kind.
PL, you know nathan doesnt answer questions or do research.
He only debates the meaning of the word “is” like his hero bill. :)
IOKIYAAR
I think swearing is vulgar by anyone who does it and don’t agree with it.
I think flipping people off is vulgar and don’t agree with it.
I think it was odd that someone like CF who routinely calls people names and swears would say something to someone else about it.
KFG,
Couldn’t resist interjecting religion again could you?
Nathan, it was Proudlib who did that. I believe he was asking you a question.
It’s ok rage. I dont mind being used as the rabbit in a greyhound race. When they are attackin me, I do manage to “serpentine” and stay ahead.
Too bad there is never a finish line.
viva la teasing the dogs!
Gosh, you righties flatter me.
“Ks is just an anti-religious bitch.”
*farmgrrl bats eyes coyly*
I had no idea you cared.
I can only hope to continue to live up to your accolades.
Rage,
This is the comment I was refering to from KFG:
“Heheh, when we swear, we are defaming god. When they swear, they are just responding in kind.”
Yeah, it’s funny. Me and JR are the only admitted atheists here, yet they go after you, a devout pastafarian (I’m a lapsed one, I’m afraid: I don’t even have any pirate regalia. . . ).
Go figure.
And as for the cats….
Who wants to bet when the litterbox, er the sandbox gets emptied…
…all that will be at the bottom are don, cruex and a couple of other t*rds!
Proud kinda opened the door there, doncha think, Nathan?
KFG,I really admire the way you know your stuff back and forwards. I aspire to know my policies and politics like you (well, you know me, a different side than yours).I enjoy your humor also – it usually makes me laugh.
Aw rage, are we gonna hafta send you to a macaroni re-education camp?
You know, so we can help you see the error of straying from your pasta worshiping ways and bring you back to the noodles?
I can only say…RAMEN!
Rage, yer gonna hafta be washed in the marinara before you can come back to the fold.
…and while you are passing the parmasan, would you also hand over the damn reading glasses so I can get past the bot filter too?
can’t you make it alfredo instead?!?
No julie. Rage needs it to look like blood. As for the fire part…
red pepper flakes anyone?
LOL grill
“Serpentine, Shelly, serpentine!!”–Peter Falk’s character, the crazy-like-a-fox CIA op in the original (and hilarious) “The In-Laws”
I knew your Christian hating self couldn’t resist KFG.
If you repent of your sinful Homosexual ways Christ will forgive you.
It is never too late. God loves you.
Rage,
If I had the time to waste I could compile an entire book full of comments from KFG against Christians.
I am not going after her, I just point it out everytime she does it.
Well, being that a sizable segment of Christianity condemns her for merely existing, I can kinda see where the attitude might come from.
You are correct that she took the opportunity to expand on PL’s theme. You might have done better just to ignore her, and to explicit condemn our potty-mouth VP and others of his ilk. Oh well.
I’m sure your last comment was well-intended, as usual. That’s all I’m gonna say.~~~ >:-|
Resist what Nathan? I LOVE talking about christians. I never said I wouldnt. I dont negotiate with terrorists or christians, remember?
“If I had the time to waste I could compile an entire book full of comments from KFG against Christians.”
Please do. I love my greatest hits album, and if you want to do the gathering and posting for the companion book, so much the better.
You just dont get it. I am PROUD of my postings. Please repeat them for us. Then repeat yours. I never tire of your reruns.
HEE HEE yes flike, that is exactly where the reference was gleaned.
HEHEHEH
“If you repent of your sinful Homosexual ways Christ will forgive you.”
The flying spagetti monster loves and forgives you too nathan. May you be touched by his noodly appendage.
RAMEN
I gotta look into this Pline…..
but for now
They say there’s a heaven for those who will wait.
Some say it’s better, but I say it aint
I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun,
and open minded, and interesting and relevant, and friendly, and tolerant and intelligent.
Rage,
Christians have no problem with homosexuals existing. We are all God’s children.
We only point out that homosxuality is an abomination in the eyes of our Lord because we do love and care about them.
Yes rage, dammit! Cant you see from his posts how much he cares about me?
He cares so much he just cant help himself from constantly MAKING ME WRONG!!!
A sure way, always, to get sinners to see the light!
Homosexuality is wrong KFG.
God still loves you though and wants you to repent.
“MAY THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELL YOU!!!”
“Christians have no problem with homosexuals existing. We are all God’s children.”
Then how about allowing them the same rights as anyone else? That won’t stop you from praying for their souls.
Rage,JQ Public is thinking”I don’t have a problem with homo’s having rights but dangit Pastor Terry/Joe/Ron/Mike/(insert your local pasor here) say’s that God spoke to them and says it’s wrong so if I wanna be a good christian then I must follow exactly what my pastor says. They’re a man of God, they won’t push their personal agenda on me, they’ve never sinned so they can tell me what to do”
Julie,
All you have to do is read the Bible and it is pretty clear what God thinks about homosexuality.
It has nothing to do with my Pastor telling me anything, although he is a pretty smart guy and I value the things he does say.
KSG–
You should come to our church, Episcopalians.
All the fundie jerks bailed out when we ordained a gay bishop and now it’s “just us” reasonable people.
Hallejuhah.
Nathan doesn’t understand that condemning people in the name of Christ doesn’t really make them want to worship Christ.
Duh.
We’ll take you, as you are, just like Jesus takes us . . .
Proudlib,
I am qouting the Bible.
What kind of Church do you belong to which doesn’t read the Bible?
Thank you PL.
I’m not looking for a church home, as they say, but if I were, I would certainly look at where my favorite posters attend and choose accordingly!
Actually, I think Jesus was down more on divorce and adultry than homosexuality (in fact I don’t know if Jesus even addressed the gay issue). Why do you good Christians focus so much on homosexuality? Why aren’t you spending as much time telling those who are divorced or having affairs how much you love them but hate their sin or that Jesus loves them and wants them to repent?
Watch, I’ll bet I won’t get a straight answer, the fundies will dance all around and then somehow turn it back on me and how I don’t know the bible or anything about Christianity.Bets anyone?
Are you in the closet, Nathan? I do think sometimes you protest just a little too much.
Damoon,
I also think divorce is wrong. Every church I have been to in my lifetime has always stood on divorce being wrong.
The church I am a member of now will not let people who are divorced be a pastor or hold a pastoral posistion.
This is a blog Damoon. I talk about the topics which are put here or come up.
Sorry that divorce has not been one of those topics.
When it is or if it is I will be giving my opinion on it.
PL: Since you mention it, I have a question that I hope that you can answer. Is Eugene Robinson straight or gay? I mean he did choose to marry a women, and fathered children. Straight right?
He then chose to adopt a homosexual life style, pursue higher church office, and caused all heck to break loose in the Episcopalian world. He now has a relationship with a man. Gay?
I honestly don’t know. I am not gay bashing but I want to explore the contention that homosexuality is something you are born with. It would appear that it was his choice to adopt the lifestyle.
PL: Now that I think about it, that may not be the correct name. But you know who I am referring to.
KFG seemed to have been maried before too.
I wonder if she was born a homosexual or if it was a revelation later in life?
I do not understand why anyone would argue that someone’s past marriage status is in any way a suitable indicator of his or her sexual orientation, especially given current Western civilization’s strong incentives to appear straight.
Good god, our president was spending a lot of resources telling all Americans we need a US constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage, and not too long ago either.
If anything, I think that at best Outlander and Nathan are trying to condemn PL’s pastor (bishop?) and KFG for being honest with themselves or, perhaps, brave.
Seems like either ungracious behavior by the questioner, at best (both of whom seem to be in the vanguard of keeping up a Western appearance, a public face, of heterosexuality at any cost). At worst, a cheap shot.
flike: I am curious and ask what I think are legitimate questions. This does not constitute bashing. I honestly don’t understand how you can live under one sexual orientation and then decide to switch and then claim orientation it is genetic or inborn.
Also please explain why it is when someone removes themselves from gay orientation either by themselves or with a support group, this is looked down upon by the gay community as disingenuous. Why is OK to switch from straight to gay but not the reverse?
Just asking, but I think I know the answer to that one.
ProudLib, I’m church shopping. Got a name and address for your church? Sounds interesting.
Outlander, from my gay friends and relatives I know that, although they always felt their gay orientation, many try to deny or overcome it by forcing themselves into heterosexual relationships, but keeping up the facade is just to difficult often leads to feelings of isolation, depression, and even suicidal thoughts. Coming out and being honest about one’s sexuality takes incredible courage and risks being rejected by family,loved ones, and society in general. Self acceptance is the key to finding peace and happiness.In my family, my nephew knew he was gay from the time he was a young kid, but he couldn’t accept it and choose to live in denial and was even married for 10 years and had a child, but as he matured, he could no longer keep up the lie. He went through hell and back but was finally able to accept himself and at age 50, he has been in relationship with the same person for 17 yrs now. He’s happy now and at peace with himself, finally.
Thank you Damoon, for your thoughtful answer.
With all of the harrassment gay people have to put up with, it’s no wonder they would try to deny their true feelings and try to appear heterosexual. Do you think anyone would choose to live a life where they are constantly targeted?Damoon, it’s sad that your nephew waiting 50 years before allowing himself to admit the truth, but better late than never. It’s sad that society deprived him the opportunity for true love for so long because of its riduculous hangups.I’m glad he’s finally at peace with himself.
Here’s an interesting quiz about taboos. It’s a clear way to see how the “ick” factor influences our decisions on moral behavior.http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/taboo.htm
I honestly don’t understand how you can live under one sexual orientation and then decide to switch and then claim orientation it is genetic or inborn.–Outlander
Neither do I. I note though, that your question assumes the person (a) knows s/he is one way or another from the get go, and (2) that no spectrum of sexual orientation exists, that sexual orientation is black/white.
Why is OK to switch from straight to gay but not the reverse?–Outlander
I wasn’t aware that it’s a one way street. I am arguing that our society, peer pressure, etc., strongly prefers a heterosexual orientation. Seems to me reasonable to assume, therefore, that more homosexuals will “try on” a heterosexual lifestyle than heterosexuals will “try on” a homosexual lifestyle. Hence homo–>hetero changes are more suspect than hetero–>homo changes, given current incentives, because they’re more unlikely.
Opinions on this subject from an article in the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/28/AR2006032801632.html
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“Certainly religious persecution existed in our history, but to claim that these examples amount to religious persecution disrespects the experiences of people who have been jailed and died because of their faith,” said K. Hollyn Hollman, general counsel of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.
“This is a skirmish over religious pluralism, and the inclination to see it as a war against Christianity strikes me as a spoiled-brat response by Christians who have always enjoyed the privileges of a majority position,” said the Rev. Robert M. Franklin, a minister in the Church of God in Christ and professor of social ethics at Emory University.
White evangelicals make up about one-quarter of the U.S. population, and 85 percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. But three-quarters of evangelicals believe they are a minority under siege and nearly half believe they are looked down upon by most of their fellow citizens, according to a 2004 poll.
In a luncheon speech yesterday, DeLay took issue with the “chattering classes” who think there is no war on Christians.
“We are after all a society that abides abortion on demand, that has killed millions of innocent children, that degrades the institution of marriage and often treats Christianity like some second-rate superstition. Seen from this perspective, of course there is a war on Christianity,” he said.
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victimhood=cohesion
Ah the sweet scent of disagreement. Since I have been working (try not to go into shock anyone) I’ve missed most of this conversation. However, in response to the question about why homosexuality seems singled out as opposed to divorces, affairs, etc, let me say this:
Because homosexuals insist on getting their attention. You notice that people who think it is great to have sex with animals arent high on the target list. They are sick and demented, but since they dont insist of flagellating the public with it, they are left pretty much to their own perversions. I suspect that if gays and lesbians kept their business to themselves, the public would pretty much ignore them too.
I suspect such a notion will be largely lost on them though as they seem incapable of entertaining such thoughts.
I’m pretty creative.
But here, I am at a loss.
I can’t come up with a way to type out the sound of disgust I made or the look on my face when I read your post Don.
Ya stumped me.
Don’t get used to it.
Crawl out from under your rock often enough and I’ll learn to anticipate ya.
JR, Maybe I can help. How about “ACK!”? Or maybe “ARGH!”. How about “BLECH!”?
That’s just what comes to mind when I read Don’s posts.
Back to the original topic
I’m a Christian and I don’t really care if you say Merry Christmas, Happy Hollidays, or Season’s Greetings. That you were kind enough to offer any greeting is good for me.
A lot of our fundie friends spend their life with a chip on their shoulder begging somebody to knock it off.
People who look for a fight usually find one.
CruX’s brand of “Christianity” includes threatening to put bullets in peoples’ heads. Hardly the version I was taught.
BH,I guess your brand of Christianity is one in which nobody makes mistakes.Fuck You
And as if Don was not menace enough.
Hello Crusaderblogfart.
XXX,
You are a Christian? That is great!
Do you read the Bible?
Assholes like Don would never read something like this. It would give him insight as to why I constantly talk about the gay agenda, heheh, whatever the hell that is.
Read ‘em and weep don. The more I talk, the more things swing our way. Wanna know how to stop me? Read this… if you dare, big brave boy that you are.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/03/29/marriage_equality_moves_forward.php
If any of the rest of you read this, you will find some interesting information. I was gonna post the whole thing, but that is kinda like teaching a pig to sing.
“I suspect that if gays and lesbians kept their business to themselves, the public would pretty much ignore them too.”
I don’t get it, why wouldn’t anyone want to be treated equally and have the same rights as any other citizen of this country? Isn’t that what living in America is all about? Equal rights for eveyone? What about that don’t you understand, Don?If you want to focus on what’s damaging this country, look at the sky high divorce rates, kids growing up in the system, domestic violence, the addiction epidemic, unemployment, the failing education system, the high cost of gas, utilities, prescription drugs, and health care, etc. Why focus on an issue that is harmful to no one when there are so many other issues that are real concerns to us all?
Damoon I think you made a very good point and Don though your message could have some truth to it, do you have to be so cold with your words… I know our savior would not treat his brother or sister that way…Ouch
CruX – “Fuck You”
Did they teach you that in Sunday School?
Nathan,
Yes.