Newest state law will save lives

The new law requiring 4- through 7-year-olds to ride in booster seats will come as a bothersome surprise to some parents come July 1. But under the law, which Gov. Kathleen Sebelius signed Monday, only warnings will be issued for the first year, and after that, an errant parent can have his fine waived by getting a booster seat. Most important: More kids riding with proper restraints will mean fewer injuries and deaths in accidents. “It’s absolutely the right thing,” state Sen. Les Donovan, R-Wichita, said four years ago. And now, thanks in part to his tenacity, it’s also the law.
Posted by Rhonda Holman

41 Comments

  1. raptor
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    A good law? Maybe. More unwanted intrusion into our lives? Most certainly.

    How many more laws will be passed to protect us from ourselves? How many more laws will garner support under the “saving lives” banner?

    Where does it stop? Our government cannot, nor should it try, to protect all citizens from all harm at all time. But..where is the line?

    Some people will claim that mandating blood pressure checks is an intrusion into personal lives and could never happen. But, if it falls under the ’saves lives’ banner, what is to stop the government? Where is the line before it becomes too intrusive?

    Who appointed the government as babysitter of us all?

  2. Posted March 29, 2006 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    There are a lot more problems facing the state than auto child restraints. Too bad the politicians refuse to address them, but laws like this allow them to slide. I have to get on raptor’s side on this issue.

  3. Joe Williams
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    It may be slight intrusion, but it’s a decent law. Children have no choice to say yes or no to ride with an adult who could be reckless or drunk.

    Any device that can improve the chances of survival in an auto accident is a good thing.

    Driving a motorcycle or by-yourself without a helmet or seatbelt, I could care less. But children in the back seat should be properly restrained.

  4. Ben Huie
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    I have to side with Les and Joe on this. It’s one thing if I go through the windshield; the munchkins cannot make that choice.

  5. Julie
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    My hubby worked a fatal accident several years ago where a 4 year old went thru the front windshield of the car her mom was driving, thru the back and partially thru the front windshield of the car in front of them. The mom of the child had a glove box FULL of warnings to buckle the child in.

    This issue is a bit of a soapbox of mine. Adults can make stupid decisions on their own, kids need to be protected.

  6. J R
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    “Protected” to the point of pulling over their parent and fining them 90 bucks for no other reason then their kid refuses to wear a seat belt?

    Been there done that by the way. The State Trooper clearly had nothing better to do and was no doubt short his quota of real violators.

    I don’t think so. Bad law.

  7. Todd
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Sounds to me like the problem there was with an ineffective parent.

  8. J R
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    No turd

    The problem was people with nose trouble sticking laws where they don’t belong. That and a State Trooper who could have been a half a mile away busting people on I35 for doing 85 miles an hour instead of sitting in the parking lot of a Burger King and finishing off his Whopper with an easy quota filler citation of a motorist travelling 4 miles an hour.

  9. Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    The law is stupid. Are there children getting hurt that are wearing there seat belts? There might be. I haven’t seen that data. The booster seat still has to used to be effective. Don’t we already have a law for not buckling up?

  10. Joe Williams
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    I have to side with Todd on this one. If you can’t get your child to wear a seatbelt, then leave them at home. If the child refuses to wear a seatbeat, then its bad parenting, if the child doesn’t wear a seatbelt, because you don’t, then that’s just by example..abeit a bad one.

    Don’t blame this on troppers and quotas. You broke the law PERIOD!

  11. J R
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Priorities folks….. priorities.

  12. Julie
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    JR,(hypothetical question I hope this never comes true) IF you were involved in an accident that day the Trooper pulled you over…Would you rather have a $90 citation for failure to have child in restraint or an injured or dead child?

    Personally, my kids ALWAYS wear seat belts and are in booster/child restraint seats if appropriate but if for some reason they had unbuckled their seatbelt I’d rather have the $90 ticket.

  13. Todd
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Uh-huh. No wonder you’re concerned about the possibility of JR jr. getting tased.

  14. Nick
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Virtually every law we see such as this has it roots directly tied to the masters of Kansas. The insurance industry. In the case of booster seats, if you are not aware, Airbags kill kids. It protects the insurance company from larger payouts and makes it cheaper for the auto industry to shift the solution to you the average citizen. By our legislators way of thinking, they must protect their lobbiests interests so they will charge you 200 dollars for an additional seat instead of requiring the manufacturers to spend 20 dollars and allow the seat to be raised higher so seatbelts can be used with children.These laws are nothing more than a way to squeeze out profit margins using “safety” as the motive. They have an unlimited supply of useful idiots to advertise for them and the person responsible for regulating them is the only elected official in Kansas that can legally solicit contributions (the statute does not mention campaign contributions, just contributions) from those she regulates.Hasn’t anyone wondered why the insurance commissioner is the 4th most powerful politician in the state, and is an immediate stepping stone to the top job?All you folks have to do is follow the money. I’ll give you a good example. Everyone thinks that MADD is such a noble special interest group with nothing but the best interest of us all. MADD is a front group financed almost entirely by the insurance industry, and mostly by AllState Insurance of Canada.I think everyone in Kansas should have to go to work for the state for at least a year and see these scams first hand, along with the anguish caused by the gag order state employees are under to prevent their talking about them.

  15. Ben Huie
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Agree with Joe again. I have never had any problem getting my kid (now grandkids) belted in. I DID, however, have to start wearing mine! By the time he was about 4 he was telling me to buckle up!

    I never really developed the habit of wearing my belts until I was a parent. (I grew up before seatbelts existed)

  16. raptor
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Nick makes a lot of sense. Ever seen the crash tests done by the IIHS? The institute is the INSURANCE Institute for Highway Safety. Funded by and run by insurance companies, for the benefit of Insurance companies.

    Another example…mandatory auto insurance. This was passed after insurance companies lobbied heavily, claiming that uninsured motorists were costing everyone too much money. Their answer, require everyone to have it. So, now the laws are in place almost nationwide…has YOUR car insurance gone down because of it? Of course not.

  17. RD
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    “If you can’t get your child to wear a seatbelt, then leave them at home.”

    Gotta laugh at this one, Joe. Do you know what the penalty is for leaving a child alone? I doubt the excuse that your kid wouldn’t wear his/her seatbelt would suffice as a legitimate answer to the courts. So now your choice is down to making your kid wear that seatbelt or the State taking your kids.

  18. Joe Williams
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    RD! Think! Do you really assume that I would suggest leave them home alone? I actually never said anything like that. Where did I say “leave them at home alone”?

    I said, leave them at home…you would think that everybody understands that to mean with a guardian or parent.

    Nice try RD. Nice Try! You cannot manipulate what I posted no matter how much you hate me. Leftist *rolleyes*, they never learn.

  19. Ben Huie
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Sounds to me like some people need lessons in parenting.

  20. Pancho Villa
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Just more small government Republicans creating more government.

  21. J R
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Joe?

    RD is quoting your exact words. Scroll on up.

    Now Ben that is twice I got it from you. I don’t mind getting my hand slapped by Joe. I never agree with him anyway. I coulda predicted he and todd would have jumped out of the woodwork for a shot at me. Part of the reason I bothered to post here at all.

    A bit of clarification as to my personal story…….

    I was leaving a Burger King with my son. Didn’t see Officer Duty having his burger.

    I do not wear a seatbelt. Medical issues.

    My son was a little resistant (as usual) to putting on his seatbelt. He was in the process of putting it on when the good officer whipped out behind us.

    Now I had travelled maybe 50 feet at speeds approaching 4 miles an hour. I did not commit, not was I cited for any other offense.

    Was I …….horrors “BREAKING THE LAW? Technically yes. Again, I gotta question priorities here.

    I was told that I can get a medical release for myself. Of course that would involve a $145 visit to the Dr. So ten bucks for me is a bargain and certainly more in my means.Officer duty did his, and cited me.

    Now I’m probably not the best single father in the world. I don’t think I’m an unfit parent with respects to this incident.

    Looking back? The two John Kerry for Presdent” stickers I had on my truck almost a year after the election were probably my primary offense.

  22. rockl
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Having to go through this myself with 4 children and one who did not want to have to sit still and wear a seatbelt, it was me against him and last time I checked I was the adult and a swift smack(with a hand) on the rear a couple of times, made that extremely clear… he is now almost 15 and he wouldn’t dream of not wearing a seatbelt…why because sometimes you just have to be a parent and protect your kids no matter what they want, and we should not have to laws that tell us that… I think it is sad that they have become necessary and I do not believe that this is a dem vs reb thing and to make it one is stupid!!

  23. J R
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Well rockl…by way of in the spirit of “over the top” reactionary posts here as to parenting skills…..

    which is why this post has more than about the 3 hits it would have otherwise gotten….

    you strike me as a child abuser.

    Thats my over the top for the day.

  24. rockl
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Well if keeping him safe with a swift smack to the rear makes me a child abuser then consider it correct…however I have children who are very happy, extremely popular with their peers and well adjusted… plus i still have $90 in my pocket and respect the police and the job they do…how about you??

  25. Nick
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t it interesting that Sen. Les Donovan’s 2008 campaign is already raking in the dough from folks such as The Kansas Automobile Dealers Election Action Committee (PAC) and…what’s this?…Kansas Insurance Agents (PAC). Too bad they mucked up the ability for searching detailed lists of previous campaigns so you could not establish beyond a doubt who he’s truly representing.As I said folks, this is not a seat belt issue at all. It is not even a car seat issue. It is an issue requiring an additional booster seat to raise an older child above the level in which airbags are known to impact them squarely in the face. It simple saves the automotive industry and insurance industry from the liability for their defective products and shifts the blame to the consumer. Useful idiots have once again been duped beyond belief.

  26. Nathan
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    At first I did not like the sound of this law when the Eagle brought it up a while back.

    Now that I know the first year is warnings and the first ticket you get can be voided for proof of purchase of a car seat I think it is pretty fair.

    I still think that more education at the DMV of what happens to people without seat restraints would be good too.

    While in the Marines I had to go to the DIC course. (Drivers improvement course) Everyone that wanted to drive on base had to go to this class.

    I don’t know why it was called a class or a course because it was basically a 2 day slide show.

    We were shown pictures of drunk drivers hitting other cars.

    We were shown pictures of people with their windows half down.

    We were shown pictures of people not wearing seat belts.

    We were shown pictures of cars that had been going well over the speed limit.

    We were shown pictures of cars vs trains…

    When I say pictures I am not talking about those nice photos of crushed cars.

    I am talking about the actual blood and guts and bodies and body parts show in full gory detail.

    Watching that for 2 days straight was enough to have me to this day always buckle up and not have my window half way down either.

    There has been one time I did not wear my seat belt and I thought I was going to die and it turned out to be a sick joke.

    I might tell it later when I have more time.

  27. rockl
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Nathan what is the thing about the window half way down??

  28. RD
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Joe, we’re going to argue semantics now? You didn’t mention leaving the child at home ‘with a parent’ (not possible for single parents), ‘an older sibling’ (not all have older siblings), or a sitter’ (have you seen what kids charge for baby-sitting these days?)

    If none of the above apply to someone, I guess that means one less driver off the road. I feel for rockl/rachel. My oldest was Houdini when it came to carseats. Now she’s blessed with a daughter of her own who’s almost as slick. Ah, natural payback!

    The backseat of my car contains 3 carseats/boosters for my grandkids. We don’t leave the drive until they’re buckled in and I am, too.

    And, Joe, hate is an extremely strong word and strong emotion. I don’t bother much with it. I strongly disagree with you on some points (most), but I have no reason to hate you because we don’t agree on things.

  29. Nathan
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    If you are involved in even a minor side impact and your window is halfway down it can serve as a guilitene(sp…I know) to your head.

    I have seen pictures. Not pretty.

  30. rockl
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    thanks Nathan I will remember that and thanks RD!!

  31. Joe Williams
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    RD. I’m cool with that. I have no beef with you.

  32. CF
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    This is from the NYT. The Eagle has refused to run the story, and the editors have refused to give us a thread to discuss it.

    -CF

    *********************************

    Bush Was Set on Path to War, British Memo Says

    By DON VAN NATTA Jr.Published: March 27, 2006

    LONDON — In the weeks before the United States-led invasion of Iraq, as the United States and Britain pressed for a second United Nations resolution condemning Iraq, President Bush’s public ultimatum to Saddam Hussein was blunt: Disarm or face war.

    But behind closed doors, the president was certain that war was inevitable. During a private two-hour meeting in the Oval Office on Jan. 31, 2003, he made clear to Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain that he was determined to invade Iraq without the second resolution, or even if international arms inspectors failed to find unconventional weapons, said a confidential memo about the meeting written by Mr. Blair’s top foreign policy adviser and reviewed by The New York Times.

    “Our diplomatic strategy had to be arranged around the military planning,” David Manning, Mr. Blair’s chief foreign policy adviser at the time, wrote in the memo that summarized the discussion between Mr. Bush, Mr. Blair and six of their top aides.”The start date for the military campaign was now penciled in for 10 March,” Mr. Manning wrote, paraphrasing the president. “This was when the bombing would begin.”The timetable came at an important diplomatic moment. Five days after the Bush-Blair meeting, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell was scheduled to appear before the United Nations to present the American evidence that Iraq posed a threat to world security by hiding unconventional weapons.

    Although the United States and Britain aggressively sought a second United Nations resolution against Iraq — which they failed to obtain — the president said repeatedly that he did not believe he needed it for an invasion.

    Stamped “extremely sensitive,” the five-page memorandum, which was circulated among a handful of Mr. Blair’s most senior aides, had not been made public. Several highlights were first published in January in the book “Lawless World,” which was written by a British lawyer and international law professor, Philippe Sands. In early February, Channel 4 in London first broadcast several excerpts from the memo.Since then, The New York Times has reviewed the five-page memo in its entirety. While the president’s sentiments about invading Iraq were known at the time, the previously unreported material offers an unfiltered view of two leaders on the brink of war, yet supremely confident.The memo indicates the two leaders envisioned a quick victory and a transition to a new Iraqi government that would be complicated, but manageable. Mr. Bush predicted that it was “unlikely there would be internecine warfare between the different religious and ethnic groups.” Mr. Blair agreed with that assessment.

    The memo also shows that the president and the prime minister acknowledged that no unconventional weapons had been found inside Iraq. Faced with the possibility of not finding any before the planned invasion, Mr. Bush talked about several ways to provoke a confrontation, including a proposal to paint a United States surveillance plane in the colors of the United Nations in hopes of drawing fire, or assassinating Mr. Hussein.Those proposals were first reported last month in the British press, but the memo does not make clear whether they reflected Mr. Bush’s extemporaneous suggestions, or were elements of the government’s plan.

    Consistent Remarks

    Two senior British officials confirmed the authenticity of the memo, but declined to talk further about it, citing Britain’s Official Secrets Act, which made it illegal to divulge classified information. But one of them said, “In all of this discussion during the run-up to the Iraq war, it is obvious that viewing a snapshot at a certain point in time gives only a partial view of the decision-making process.”

    On Sunday, Frederick Jones, the spokesman for the National Security Council, said the president’s public comments were consistent with his private remarks made to Mr. Blair. “While the use of force was a last option, we recognized that it might be necessary and were planning accordingly,” Mr. Jones said.

    “The public record at the time, including numerous statements by the President, makes clear that the administration was continuing to pursue a diplomatic solution into 2003,” he said. “Saddam Hussein was given every opportunity to comply, but he chose continued defiance, even after being given one final opportunity to comply or face serious consequences. Our public and private comments are fully consistent.”

    The January 2003 memo is the latest in a series of secret memos produced by top aides to Mr. Blair that summarize private discussions between the president and the prime minister. Another group of British memos, including the so-called Downing Street memo written in July 2002, showed that some senior British officials had been concerned that the United States was determined to invade Iraq, and that the “intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy” by the Bush administration to fit its desire to go to war.

    The latest memo is striking in its characterization of frank, almost casual, conversation by Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair about the most serious subjects. At one point, the leaders swapped ideas for a postwar Iraqi government. “As for the future government of Iraq, people would find it very odd if we handed it over to another dictator,” the prime minister is quoted as saying.

    “Bush agreed,” Mr. Manning wrote. This exchange, like most of the quotations in this article, have not been previously reported.Mr. Bush was accompanied at the meeting by Condoleezza Rice, who was then the national security adviser; Dan Fried, a senior aide to Ms. Rice; and Andrew H. Card Jr., the White House chief of staff. Along with Mr. Manning, Mr. Blair was joined by two other senior aides: Jonathan Powell, his chief of staff, and Matthew Rycroft, a foreign policy aide and the author of the Downing Street memo.

    By late January 2003, United Nations inspectors had spent six weeks in Iraq hunting for weapons under the auspices of Security Council Resolution 1441, which authorized “serious consequences” if Iraq voluntarily failed to disarm. Led by Hans Blix, the inspectors had reported little cooperation from Mr. Hussein, and no success finding any unconventional weapons.At their meeting, Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair candidly expressed their doubts that chemical, biological or nuclear weapons would be found in Iraq in the coming weeks, the memo said. The president spoke as if an invasion was unavoidable. The two leaders discussed a timetable for the war, details of the military campaign and plans for the aftermath of the war.

    Discussing Provocation

    Without much elaboration, the memo also says the president raised three possible ways of provoking a confrontation. Since they were first reported last month, neither the White House nor the British government has discussed them.

    “The U.S. was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in U.N. colours,” the memo says, attributing the idea to Mr. Bush. “If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach.”It also described the president as saying, “The U.S. might be able to bring out a defector who could give a public presentation about Saddam’s W.M.D,” referring to weapons of mass destruction.A brief clause in the memo refers to a third possibility, mentioned by Mr. Bush, a proposal to assassinate Saddam Hussein. The memo does not indicate how Mr. Blair responded to the idea.Mr. Sands first reported the proposals in his book, although he did not use any direct quotations from the memo. He is a professor of international law at University College of London and the founding member of the Matrix law office in London, where the prime minister’s wife, Cherie Blair, is a partner.

    Mr. Jones, the National Security Council spokesman, declined to discuss the proposals, saying, “We are not going to get into discussing private discussions of the two leaders.”At several points during the meeting between Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair, there was palpable tension over finding a legitimate legal trigger for going to war that would be acceptable to other nations, the memo said. The prime minister was quoted as saying it was essential for both countries to lobby for a second United Nations resolution against Iraq, because it would serve as “an insurance policy against the unexpected.”

    The memo said Mr. Blair told Mr. Bush, “If anything went wrong with the military campaign, or if Saddam increased the stakes by burning the oil wells, killing children or fomenting internal divisions within Iraq, a second resolution would give us international cover, especially with the Arabs.”

    Running Out of Time

    Mr. Bush agreed that the two countries should attempt to get a second resolution, but he added that time was running out. “The U.S. would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would twist arms and even threaten,” Mr. Bush was paraphrased in the memo as saying.The document added, “But he had to say that if we ultimately failed, military action would follow anyway.”

    The leaders agreed that three weeks remained to obtain a second United Nations Security Council resolution before military commanders would need to begin preparing for an invasion.Summarizing statements by the president, the memo says: “The air campaign would probably last four days, during which some 1,500 targets would be hit. Great care would be taken to avoid hitting innocent civilians. Bush thought the impact of the air onslaught would ensure the early collapse of Saddam’s regime. Given this military timetable, we needed to go for a second resolution as soon as possible. This probably meant after Blix’s next report to the Security Council in mid-February.”Mr. Blair was described as responding that both countries would make clear that a second resolution amounted to “Saddam’s final opportunity.” The memo described Mr. Blair as saying: “We had been very patient. Now we should be saying that the crisis must be resolved in weeks, not months.”It reported: “Bush agreed. He commented that he was not itching to go to war, but we could not allow Saddam to go on playing with us. At some point, probably when we had passed the second resolutions — assuming we did — we should warn Saddam that he had a week to leave. We should notify the media too. We would then have a clear field if Saddam refused to go.”

    Mr. Bush devoted much of the meeting to outlining the military strategy. The president, the memo says, said the planned air campaign “would destroy Saddam’s command and control quickly.” It also said that he expected Iraq’s army to “fold very quickly.” He also is reported as telling the prime minister that the Republican Guard would be “decimated by the bombing.”Despite his optimism, Mr. Bush said he was aware that “there were uncertainties and risks,” the memo says, and it goes on, “As far as destroying the oil wells were concerned, the U.S. was well equipped to repair them quickly, although this would be easier in the south of Iraq than in the north.”

    The two men briefly discussed plans for a post-Hussein Iraqi government. “The prime minister asked about aftermath planning,” the memo says. “Condi Rice said that a great deal of work was now in hand.

    Referring to the DefenseDepartment, it said: “A planning cell in D.O.D. was looking at all aspects and would deploy to Iraq to direct operations as soon as the military action was over. Bush said that a great deal of detailed planning had been done on supplying the Iraqi people with food and medicine.”Planning for After the WarThe leaders then looked beyond the war, imagining the transition from Mr. Hussein’s rule to a new government. Immediately after the war, a military occupation would be put in place for an unknown period of time, the president was described as saying. He spoke of the “dilemma of managing the transition to the civil administration,” the memo says.The document concludes with Mr. Manning still holding out a last-minute hope of inspectors finding weapons in Iraq, or even Mr. Hussein voluntarily leaving Iraq. But Mr. Manning wrote that he was concerned this could not be accomplished by Mr. Bush’s timeline for war.

    “This makes the timing very tight,” he wrote. “We therefore need to stay closely alongside Blix, do all we can to help the inspectors make a significant find, and work hard on the other members of the Security Council to accept the noncooperation case so that we can secure the minimum nine votes when we need them, probably the end of February.”At a White House news conference following the closed-door session, Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair said “the crisis” had to be resolved in a timely manner. “Saddam Hussein is not disarming,” the president told reporters. “He is a danger to the world. He must disarm. And that’s why I have constantly said — and the prime minister has constantly said — this issue will come to a head in a matter of weeks, not months.”

    Despite intense lobbying by the United States and Britain, a second United Nations resolution was not obtained. The American-led military coalition invaded Iraq on March 19, 2003, nine days after the target date set by the president on that late January day at the White House.

  33. Nick
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    CF, one can’t really blame them. No ethical newspaper would. Maybe find it in a creative writing blog.

  34. J R
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    I retract my earlier welcome of you Nick.

    I had my suspicions reading as to your advocacy for draconian treatment of prisoners.

    Your take on this shattering link posted by CF belies that you are just another bush apologist. We do have enough of them here.

    Thank you for applying.

  35. Nathan
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Ok…

    The president was headed for war…

    Is this something we didn’t alreay know?

  36. Nick
    Posted March 29, 2006 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    By all means retract as you will. It does not alter in any way CF’s infantile tantrum by bombing threads with the same article, from the same sorry excuse for a newspaper as the NYT. If not appreciating a news source so completely racked with fraud makes one a Bush appologist, what can I say, other than I find you logic somewhat ..uh.. entertaining. I understand Lithium Carbonate has shown promise for such neurological short circuits.In reguard to what you consider my advocacy for draconian treatment of prisoners, your reading skills once again fail you. Please consider education in the Criminal Justice field, which will provide you with the evidence necessary for you to see that your concept of incarceration has indeed been tried and faild miserably. Draconian treatment of prisoners does not include providing them with a safe and ethical enviorment in which they can effect a change in their outlook on what the rest of their life should be.Sorry for your bitterness, hope you find a path to happiness and clear thought.

  37. Damoon
    Posted March 30, 2006 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Back on tract, seat belts, car seats, and booster seats save lives. Air bags are why you only put kids in the back seat. When I have to take one of my grandkids in my truck, I turn off the airbag. If a kid scoffs at putting on a seat belt, tell him that car can’t start until the belt is buckled.I learned the hard way. Long ago when seatbealts weren’t required, the door on the old volkswagen I drove came open and my kid fell out onto the street. She was OK, but I’ll never forget the terror and the guilt I felt.For God’s sake, strap ‘em in!!!

  38. Harry Goza
    Posted April 3, 2006 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Under current law, children under the age of 14 have already been required to wear seatbelts and those under 40# or 4-years old are required to use child seats. Non-compliance of this law is enough reason for Law enforcement to write a ticket that is a misdemeanor. This new law is designed to make 4-7 year old children use booster seats or child seats. This is a great law for the manufacture of child seats and boosters, but for the larger family’s it means spending more money on approved seats, more difficulty in training the child that has already upgrading to just seatbelts. Child seats take up a lot of room and it takes time to get the child strapped in. Think of how many families’s have you seen with 4-5 children or children of large genetics. I think the lawmakers don’t have children or have they seen a 60 to 70 lb child using a regular seat belted in the back seat (they work). This new law dose not considers the children already trained in seatbelt use or the parents that already enforce the current law. It appears to be designed to put more money in the pockets of the manufacturer. All they needed to do is give Law Enforcement more latitude to enforce the currant law and make seatbelt use a primary reason for a ticket.

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