Surprise, surprise. The Kansas House voted Thursday to expand a bill requiring state inspections of abortion clinics to include all clinics that perform office-based surgeries. It’s a commonsense regulation that reflects the changing delivery of health systems. It also reflects a political reality: Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has twice vetoed a bill limited to only abortion clinics, but has indicated that she would support one that included all surgical centers. If the purpose of the regulation is to protect patients and not just harass abortion providers or create a campaign issue, why not support the broader bill that likely can become law? Interestingly, the change revealed the divide within the Kansas pro-life community, with Right to Life Kansas supporting the change, and Kansans For Life opposing it.
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Another abortion argument!!Woo hoo!
I am glad to see common sense prevailed, there maybe hope for those in Topeka yet! Now lets see how the voting goes on that sign issue.
I only hope that the regulations and oversight are directly related to patient care, and not like some of the truly silly requirements the government often establish in the name of patient care. If that is true, then I think it is reasonable, given the increasing complexity of office based procedures being done. Of course, they better be overseeing the GI doc as often as the abortion doc. And, if the req.’s are too crazy, hopefully the standard doctors will have a larger voice to complain.
It should be the same for every outpt clinic. They need to held to the same standards as the hospitals, because procedures require the same precautions no matter where they’re performed.
Why can’t they just leave abortion clinics alone? It’s no body’s business but her own, what a women does with her body.Below is a copy of a previous post:The laws of natureIf our legislators had any guts at all they would define “when it is human?” and settle this never ending squabble.As many of you already know, due to nature’s metamorphosis, a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, a cut worm becomes a moth, a tadpole becomes a frog, a grub worm becomes a June bug and a sperm from a human male has a chance of becoming a human.A caterpillar is not a butterfly, a cut worm is not a moth, a tadpole is not a frog, a grub worm is not a June bug and a sperm from a human is not a human. In fact, after conception, it is nothing more then a loveable parasite in a human female’s body, sucking life from this host body. It will continue to suck life from this host body until it either dies in the womb or the umbilical cord is cut. Until that time (the cord is cut), based on the law of nature, it cannot be called human.
The religious fanatics should just get over it. I know this is a naive notion but wouldn’t it make life a lot simpler?
The truth of the matter is that there was an abortion clinic that was doing some pretty freaky things.
Regardless of what all you abortion lovers say, abortion is still not always done in the most safe and sanitary conditions.
“Among the shots are pictures of a coffee cup full of syringes and a tray of medical tongs sitting a few feet from a toilet. The Kansas Board of Healing Arts revoked Krishna Rajanna’s medical license in June.”
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/local/13846641.htm
eeeewwww.
Guy, You have no idea what you’re talking about. Your analogies are ridiculous.
DamoonPlease explain yourself.Are you saying I have a nonfact in my post?
Guy,The problem with your analogy is the human does not metamorphose like any of the examples you mentioned. That and the fact the tadpole is a frog, a caterpillar is a butterfly, and a cutworm is a moth. They’re in different stages of development.
There is also the real world fact a fetus’s survival outside the womb is progressing to the point that it can survive almost from the point of conception. Makes one wonder, then, about when the fetus is to be given the same rights afforded humans via the Bill of Rights and the Constitution? If a fetus can be guaranteed survival outside the womb at, say, 2 months, what then? 1 month? When do you either call it a human being and give it all rights, or proceed with the assumption that it is not human and abort it? That brings into play ethical questions I don’t have an answer for, other than my personal beliefs.
And how does the rift between R2LKs and Ks4L can be explained? I’d like to know the arguments from both sides, especially from the Ks4L for opposing the change.
Guy, I have explained why I think you’re wrong twice to you. Unlike you, I’m not into repeating myself that much. Go back and read my previous replies to your post, I’m sure you can find them in the archives.
You know, this is getting old, but stop saying stupid things. Walker – You are incorrect about fetal survival. Unless a very different form of neonatology happens, very few people believe that a fetus before about 22 weeks will be able to survive. Viability hasn’t dramatically decreased (about 4 weeks since Roe (28-24 weeks)), and the rate of progress has slowed. Before this age, the lungs cannot survive even on a respirator. Artificial womb studies are not near practical application, fraught with difficulties, and there is no assurance it will be found ethically acceptable. It is very difficult to do this sort of research, esp. on humans. So, I don’t really know what planet your real world facts are from.
Thank you Allie, I couldn’t have explained it better.
JM TrotterYou plant a sperm in an egg tha analogy is the same. the only difference is the location of the fetius while it is developing.
DammonYou always have to repeat yourself to kids otherwise they don’t rear you.
Allie,Research is being done at an accelerated rate, not slowing down, as you seem the think. While it is true now that the child’s survival can be pretty much guaranteed after 21 to 22 weeks, that number will fall to less and less time as science learns more about survival of the fetus outside the womb.
My world facts come from this planet, Allie, not some website proclaiming sciences dead. As science learns more about the human body, and what it takes to survive, the better for us all, not just the born. But learning the human being can survive earlier than 21 weeks is apparently some peoples worst nightmare: Heaven forbid a first trimester child be given the same rights as its twenty year old mother.
Guy, there is such a thing as DNA. It is the building block of everything alive on this planet. As such, a frog is not a worm, is not a cat, is not tree. A human genome is a human genome. To say that the joining of a human egg and a human sperm is something other than human is nonsense. You can believe what you want, but you are wrong.
I don’t have a political agenda on this subject; I have ingrained beliefs that a child is a child, and deserves both respect, and the rule of law to protect it. I also have no desire to be the nation’s watchdog, but I will give my opinion when I wish. Such is the nature of this country.
JMAre you saying that a sperm does not develop within a so called egg in a woman’s body?
I have no political agenda either. I just think this whole thing about a fetus being human, no federal funding for stem cell research and a woman not having the say so about her body is definitely not realistical thinking
Walker,I am certainly not saying that all scientific research is not progressing. However, the ability of neonatologists to save severely premature infants is not increasing; in fact, its pace has slowed down over significantly in the last 10-15 yrs. We are talking about a specific area, not scientific progress in general. Or are you just being willfully dense? It is certainly NOT true that infants survival is guaranteed at 21-22 weeks. I haven’t the faintest idea which planet you got that one from. Only at 24 weeks, can premie survivals reach 50%, and survival at 22 weeks is about 10%. 20-21 weeks don’t survive. This is not just a scientific knowledge problem. It is a physiological problem that the organs for survival are not developed enough. Your facts sound a lot like wishful thinking.
Actually, the youngest premie to survive was born at almost 22 weeks. If a baby is born at 25 weeks, the survival rate can be as much as 80%. My good friend had her first grandson who born at 25 weeks just before New Year’s. So far he’s doing fine, he weighs more than 3lbs now.
Da,Of those premies born at 25 weeks or before, how many are severely disabled?
Many are fine, but I don’t know the numbers. I know that premies have a higher incidence of cerebal palsy and vision problems. The developmental delays are usually temporary. I know a set of twins who were born at 6 months (24 weeks)and they both developed normally and have genius IQs, they are in their 30’s now, married with children. Considering when they were born, it is a miracle that they survived. They may be the exception, I really don’t know.I’ll have to do some research and get back to you on that one.
The only reason the bill failed and allowed an exemption for abortion clinics was because of Representative Bob Bethell who is an employee for Via Christi Hospital and he said he did it to protect his employer.
Not a very good pro-life legislator or hospital.
I don’t know if this is the most trusted source I have ever seen (http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/000269/55/) but they quote a NEJM published study from Britain, claiming about 40% of 22-25 week premies had moderate to severe mental or neuro-motor difficulties at kindergarten (v. 2% of classmates). 20% have no deficits, and 22% have severe deficits (deaf, bind, cerebral palsy, very low IQ). They also said about half were doing “reasonably well” and keeping up with classmates. One third had mild deficit. So, sounds like 22% severe, 20% moderate, 33% mild (e.g. glasses), 20% none. I don’t know where the other few percents go. Of course, gestational age cannot be perfectly measured. Now, are “developmental delays” (need to consider their mile stones based on when they should have been born not their birthday)not disabilities that will be with them for life? I don’t know if anyone can really tease that out fully. Is it possible that we are doing better than the Brits? Maybe, but no one has great answers for CP, and the hearing loss can be caused by the premie drugs. I think the thing we know for sure, we need to keep the women who want to be pregnant pregnant for as long as possible.
True, good prenatal care is essential to having a healthy baby.I’ll keep you posted from time to time about my friend’s grandbaby. He was the smallest of triplets, the only one that survived. Being born at 25 weeks, I’m anxious to see how he does. So far, so good though.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48930
Forced abortions proposed in Holland. Hooray for the pro-abortionists!!!
I can certainly understand her frustration, X, but forced abortions do seem a bit over the top for a developed nation. I’m sure there are better solutions to the problem of unwanted children.
Forced abortion is over the top for any nation. The bitch who proposed it comes straight outta the Third Reich! As Mr. Garrison of South Park would say:
“Damn you sons o bitches! You die, you die and you go to hell!!!”
LOL!