No, Vice President Dick Cheney’s hunting accident isn’t an international incident. There are far more important issues for the press to be grilling the White House about. But it was outrageous that the ranch owner, and then White House press secretary Scott McClellan, suggested that it was the poor sap who got shot who was to blame by not announcing his presence or otherwise following hunting “protocol.”
What gall. As hunting experts told The Eagle, Cheney was 100 percent to blame for shooting a fellow hunter. It’s that simple.
Yes, it was an accident. But take responsibility for your actions.
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Gee Randy,
I have read the report. Where did they blame the victim?
I thought reporters like yourself want the truth?
The truth is that the victim walked up unannounced.
No blame, that is what happened.
So what is it:
Do you or do you not want the truth?
Accountability..
Cheney’s spokesman states he didnt’ violate any rules. Am I confused that it’s illegal to not by the proper stamps for what you’re hunting?
Anyone else shoot your friend and see if you can explain away waiting 18 hours before reporting.Can you keep the sheriff officers from interviewing you for 15 hours after the incident?
He might be the VP, but we still have laws in the US.
It was at least partially Cheney’s fault. But it is amazing how those who have never set foot in the field (Randy?)are all of the sudden expert enough to figure out the percentage of blame.
The mainstream press is throwing a tantrum after being scooped by a local paper. Crowson’s cartoon in today’s Eagle is illustrative of the hatred they feel for the administration.
Move on folks, nothing to see here.
This whole story, while tragic, is not a political story. The left extremists are going crazy over this…remove him from office, yelling coverup, etc.
Ridiculous. An accident is just that…accidental. I cannot believe how much attention this is getting.
Dear raptor,
The libs on the editorial staff and this BLOG are afraid to discuss and unable to debate the real issues of the day.
Why don’t we have a thread about the treasonist comments by Al Gore when he was in Saudi Arabia last week? His comments will cause more American deaths than poor ol’ Cheney will ever cause with his shotgun.
Hank
I agree raptor. This thing is great fodder for late-night comics but is of no more national importance than any other personal piccadillo. Suce as, for example, a BJ (which, according to Kline, doesn’t count!)
As the person who instigated the earlier thread on this topic, I feel, well, powerful. Big. Strong. Prophetic.
I predicted that this was a story the dumbed-down, Right-Wing media knew how to report, and I was right. Shotgun blasts and stained dresses; that’s all they know how to do. And they’re doing it. Is this a surprise?
A question, you virile, manly, Republican hunter men: why hasn’t Cheney given his side of the story publicly? Maybe that has something to do with answering raptor’s question.
“As the person who instigated the earlier thread on this topic, I feel, well, powerful. Big. Strong. Prophetic.”
CF: Don’t forget delusional.
No one disputes that this was an accident. But the media circus is Cheney’s own fault, and could have been avoided with one little word: HONESTY.
But Nathan, since you are a shooting instructor, what would YOU say to a shooter who was swinging his gun carelessly, took a shot at a bird too low to the ground, and hit the man hard enough to put him in ICU? Would you fault (since you hate the word blame) the man who walked up behind? Is that who you would find at fault?
Indeed Nathan, what would you, as a shooting instuctor, say to that person in the ICU who walked up behind “unannounced”. That he was at fault, it was just an accident, and no harm no foul? Whose job was it to be AWARE of the positions of ALL the people in the hunting party?
And what would you say to the shooter? “Hehe, just an accident boy, better luck next time?” DO tell us Nathan, what would a real shooting instructor say to a shooter who behaved that way?
If I had pulled such a bone headed move in the field, I can already hear what my Dad would have said to me. Two simple words. GO HOME. Maybe three more: GIVE ME YOUR GUN!! Ok, maybe even three more: NEVER SHOOT AGAIN!!!!
And…I bet the local sheriff would have interviewed me immediately!!
What do you think Nathan? Tell us, so the people who certify you will know.
Outlander: don’t forget ‘right’.
This thing is gonna keep going. It’s just stupid enough to spin out of control, and the more they try to handle it, the wobblier it gets.
…and CF, I saw how hard you had to BEG to get this thread, and how long the WE editors waited to put it up. You know, that famous liberal bias thing. Hell, we had to start this thread on our own. I think the conservative WE editors were waiting to see if the story had legs…and it did, much to Rhonda’s chagrin I am sure.
But ya gotta wonder if the attack on Howard Dean yesterday was a lame attempt at “fair and balanced” news. “Hmmm, lets see, Cheney pulled a stupid move and dammit we HAVE to write about it. Can we dig up any dirt on the dems to balance the coverage? No, well, can we just bash Howard Dean for the hell of it?”
If Fox’s “fair and balanced” is what they were after on this, they succeeded in true Fox fashion. When did Rupert buy the WE?
Nathan is only interested in asking questions, not answering them, Frmgrl. Don’t hold your breath waiting for a reply.
Ya know, if you bed wetting righties would just admit the vp was wrong here and he messed this situation up beyond all recovery, you sure would stop all us liberals in our tracks. But of course, it would have to be a sincere admission.
CF, they are whining like “little girls” over this arent they? (Sorry to insult little girls) You know the more you cry the more we are gonna tease you. And dont you love outlander crying about Crowson? Typical. He can dish it out but he cant take it.
Dont you guys get that YOU are the ones keeping this story going? Admit it and stop the feathers from flying, lol. And while you are at it, toughen up and act like a woman would ya?. You get your nose bloodied a little and next you will want daddy bush to censor the press for you.
Oh, wait, you already want that!
Damoon,
Nice; you put your finger on Nathan’s game far more concisely than I ever did.
ksfarmgrrl,
Damn. As a man, I can sense that shrivelling up and shrinkage that Hank, Nathan, and Outlander must be feeling after that last broadside directed at them. It almost makes me feel sympathetic.
Regarding Dean, the day can’t pass when the media shills don’t take the obligatory swipe. They regard him as their chew toy. The part they hate him for, and can’t forgive, is that he chews back.
Finally, in terms of the story, I think it’s got legs and is off and running. The one thing the Administration does when it needs to kill a story, to attack, won’t work in this case. Who are they going to slime?
Which leaves, front and center, the spectacle of their clumsy and bumbling attempts to deflect blame. And framed against the backdrop of an elderly man who could die lying in a hospital bed, they look even more disingenuous and venial than usual.
Final point: if Rove thinks Cheney is a liability, he’ll be cut lose to stop the damage to Bush. If this story continues into next week, I’ll put money down that Cheney will be pushed out.
It’s like how the insurance companies do auto accidents. Even if it is not technically your fault that somebody ran into you, the insurance companies will still have you at least 5% fault, because you were physically there.
I guess its all perspective. I find Cheneys inciodent anon story except for him not admitting blame, he did shoot someone. As for Dean, hes a non stroy to except his histironics really turn me off and i would submit quite a few other people. There are some dems i find interesting, but not him.Is any news source or person balance? I doubt it.
“and CF, I saw how hard you had to BEG to get this thread,”
CF and Ksfarmgirl: Come on. I complained of it being dark and what do you know, the sun came up. Did my complaining cause the sun to come up? But you can think whatever makes you feel the best. It’s the liberal way.
And the dark Crowson cartoon is not just making fun of the situation. It is sick, particularly considering the heart attack the victim had.
Outlander,
I agree. None of this is funny: the Vice-President SHOT A MAN IN THE FACE WITH A SHOTGUN. But if you think that’s the case, you might want to display a more critical attitude toward the WH which, in the early running, tried to play this thing for laughs in order to minimize it.
The Vice President shot someone while doing something illegal, Hunting without the proper stamp. If thats against the law, and some one gets shot in the process, how can you say thats an accident, it sounds like a crime to me.
CF: I’m sure that they wished they had handled it differently after the guy had a heart attack. “Serious as a heart attack” is an expression that comes to mind.
BTW, I want a piece of that bet you’re willing to make about Cheney being pushed out.
Joe Williams, do you think Harry is at least “5% at fault” just because he was physically there? IF you accept an invite to hunt with Dick, you automatically assume some responsibility if he shoots you? LOLOLOLOLOL
Omg, do you see the parallel in saying “the 9/11 victims were somewhat at fault just for being physically there?
Yeah outlander, the white house was making jokes on Monday. There is some speculation that the real hold up on the story was they wanted to see if Harry would DIE OVERNIGHT!!
But under the doctrine of “bush infallability” it is ok if the white house jokes about it, but not if CF and farmie do it. The white house is just engaging in a little harmless humor, while we are just big liberal meanies picking on the poor helpless “compassionate” conservatives like Darth Cheney.
I guess this is where we insert IOIYAR.
CF, there would have to be something “substantive” in order for shriveling to occur.
Shot through the heart, lawyer to blame, Lawyer’s give hunting a bad name.
Outlander, no one can prove cause and effect here, including me. Mybe your “begging” did make the sun come up. :)
If you read the posts here on a regular basis, it is funny how one of yesterday’s poster’s comments will turn out to be the gist of the next day’s thread. But cause and effect? I dont think so either.
It is still strange though that it took so long for the Cheney thread to appear. No one smelled a story here early on?
Lol steve, I love Bon Jovi!
Next time Cheney better have his upland lawyer stamp on his permit!
The guy Cheney blew away may be a lawyer, but he’s also a millionaire. You don’t suppose Cheney’s really a closet liberal?
Could be jed. He did support Ann Richards and Molly Ivins called him a “smart republican”. Hmmmm…..maybe we are wrong and it was really liberals not lawyers who were in season.
Naw….I lived in Texas. There is no season on liberals. You can shoot them all year ’round with no limits or stamps!
I mean Harry, not dick!
Just in case you wondered whyat joke the white house was making….”Before he was aware that Whittington’s condition had worsened, White House spokesman Scott McClellan took note that the national champion University of Texas football team would be visiting President Bush later Tuesday, and he attempted some shooting-related humor.Observing that the team colors are burnt orange and white, he said, “The orange that they’re wearing is not because they’re concerned that the vice president may be there.”
More good review of what the bush/cheney cultists are saying is here:
http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2006/02/warning-innate-ignorance-ahead-least.html
My favorite quote: It’s kind of like T-boning a family of four after blowing a stop sign. It’s their fault for not realizing the VP wasn’t going to stop.
And Outlander, I would like a piece of that bet too, given these headlines this morning:
– Cheney’s Response a Concern to GOP: Vice President Urged to Make Public Statement on Shooting (WaPo via MSNBC) Note: Cheney is being interviewed by FOX today after meeting with the preznit and lawmakers for breakfast today!
– Cheney Controversy Persists: Failure to Disclose Shooting Information May Have Gone Against President’s Wishes (ABC News) [Hello Karl, is that you again?]
– White House Deferred to Cheney on Shooting: In A Break with Policy, Hunting Accident Was Not Disclosed for 14 Hours (WaPo)
– Slow Leak: How Cheney Stalled News Reports of Hunting Accident (Time)
– Growing GOP Concerns About Cheney (CBS News)
Once again, you keep saying that they are blaming the victim.
Where did anyone blame the victim?
Not gonna play that game, Nathan. Isn’t anyone else’s job to educate you. Still, because Maureen Dowd addresses this very point, I’ll include her column below.
Outlander, bet you $10 that Cheney will be gone, provided the story is still going by Friday.
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Shooter Slips on a SilencerWednesday, February 15th, 2006From NY TimesBy Maureen Dowd
Who did this old guy think he was, coming between Dick Cheney and his helpless prey?
The luckless 78-year-old Texas lawyer, Harry Whittington, is in intensive care after a heart attack, with up to 200 pellets riddling his face and body — one stuck in his heart — from Dick Cheney’s designer Perazzi Brescia shotgun. And still his friend, the vice president, is Swift-BB-ing him.
Private citizens have been enlisted to blame the victim. Maybe poor Mr. Whittington put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. But he was, after all, behind Vice, not in front of him. And the hunter pulling the trigger is supposed to make sure he has a clear shot. Wouldn’t it be, well, classy for Shooter to express just a bit of contrition and humility?
Instead, the usual sliming has begun, with the Cheney camp trying to protect the vice president by casting a veteran hunter as Elmer Dud.
Scott McClellan told the White House press corps that Katharine Armstrong, a lobbyist with government ties who owns the Texas ranch (and whose mother, Anne, was on the Halliburton board that hired Mr. Cheney as C.E.O.), “pointed out that the protocol was not followed by Mr. Whittington when it came to notifying the others that he was there.”
As the story of the weekend’s bizarre hunting accident is wrenched out of the White House, the picture isn’t pretty: With American soldiers dying in Iraq, Five-Deferment Dick “I Had Other Priorities in the 60’s Than Military Service” Cheney gets his macho kicks gunning down little birds and the occasional old man while W. rides his bike, blissfully oblivious to any collateral damage. Shouldn’t these guys work on weekends until we figure out how to fix Iraq, New Orleans, Medicare and gas prices?
This version of “The Most Dangerous Game” neatly follows the four-step Bush-Cheney cycle:
Step 1: Set out to pick off what you think is an easy target, like quail — in 2003, he went after stocked, pen-raised and netted pheasant — or a certain sanction-caged Iraqi dictator.
Step 2: In the corrupt company of lobbyist-contractor friends, botch things up. Ignore the peril at hand — as with, oh, Osama at Tora Bora, or Katrina, or the Iraq occupation — and with steely resolve, indulge your raging incompetence. (Oops.)
Step 3: Stonewall. Resist giving Congress information about 9/11 or Katrina; don’t tell the public how you’re tapping phones at home, setting up gulags abroad and making war and energy policy in secret. Why give the taxpayers, who are ponying up for these weekend hunting trips, the extraordinary news that Vice shot his hunting companion in the face and chest? Scott McClellan knew before yesterday’s White House briefing at noon that Mr. Whittington was worse, but did not tell the reporters. He left that to Corpus Christi doctors, who spun the heart attack as “an inflammatory response to a metallic foreign BB.”
Step 4: Admit no mistakes. Express sympathy. Blame the victim without leaving fingerprints by outsourcing the smear to the private sector.
Trent Lott joked in a meeting yesterday that Mr. Cheney was now the “shooter in chief,” while other wags noted that Quayle was always a problem for Bushes.
Presidential staff members and lawmakers speculated yesterday about whether Shooter would resign and make room for Condi if Mr. Whittington did not survive. His death would trigger a more thorough police investigation and probably a grand jury.
“Are you crazy?” one Republican senator told a reporter. “He’d never quit.” (Aaron Burr presided over the Senate after he killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel.)
The shooter in chief can’t quit because he is the administration. Who’d even tell him to quit? If necessary, he’d probably make W. take the fall.
Despite efforts by Mr. McClellan to joke and urge reporters to get back to “the pressing priorities of the American people,” the hunting debacle once more showed Mr. Cheney running the imperial show.
He didn’t talk to the sheriff for 14 hours, or even call the president to notify him after the 5:50 p.m. accident. Vice left that to Andy Card, who called Mr. Bush at 7:30 p.m. to say there had been a hunting accident, without mentioning that Vice was the gunman. Soon after that, Karl Rove called Mr. Bush back with that little detail.
A reporter, surprised, pressed Mr. McClellan: “The vice president did not call the president to tell him he was the shooter?”
Usually when there’s a White House cover-up, the president’s in on it.
CF,
Still trying to make this a conspiracy?
I still don’t see where anyone blamed the victim…
CF and ksfarmgirl: You might want to be careful what you wish for. If Cheney goes (which I think is very, very unlikely), who would Bush choose as his vp? Probably a hand-picked successor, right? And wouldn’t that person get a big boost and head start toward 2008?
Nola is probably monitoring, but I got you both covered on Cheney. Maybe the loser donates to a non-profit. We can work it out.
LOL Outlander. Here is more fodder. Nola was one of my sorority sisters in a land long ago and far away at Ft. Hays! I will ask her to go easy on us, but dont tell Bonnie Huy. You know how she hates gambling money!
Outlander,
Cool by me, so long as your charity isn’t the “Stop Abortion Now” van or anything connected to Terry Fox. My choice is the Lord’s Diner.
Dennis Hastert – as a caretaker. Sort of like Gerry Ford.
Outlander, I think the impeachment issue is the ONE THING that will keep dead eye dick right where he is. As noted in previous threads, who in his right mind would want bush impeached if cheney is gonna be the replacement?
Do you really think the big money r’s will let him nominate condi? And will he nominate big john after all their feuds? Remember, he values loyalty above all else.
Oh s**t. Maybe that means karen hughes or barb will be the next preznit. Or rick. Yikes!!
cheney is rove’s ace in the hole on the “i” word.
CF, outlander, I can live with the diner, but would prefer something like animal rescue.
Like “operation yellow elephant”:) bwahahahahah….
If for the sake of argument, Cheney did resign, would all those pundits (ahem, Rhonda, ahem) come out and say, “well, it looks like Dr. Dean was right again?”
I’m thinking, “no.” Being a right-winger means never having to say you’re sorry . . .
Do you enjoy hypothetically arguing with yourself Proudlib?
Must be the only way you can win…
Nathan, honey, this is a serious post from me. Really, no joke.
When you say stuff like this “I still don’t see where anyone blamed the victim…” when it has been proven here repeatedly from multiple sources, it makes it hard for us to take you seriously on the bigger issues. Even when you do have a good point.
I hope you know that the training you are getting here is very valuable grasshopper. If you can admit a mistake, you are far ahead of most people in life. Including me :)
The more I think about it the more I think that Cheney resigning would be a blessing in disguise to Republicans. But it isn’t going to happen.
KFG, I don’t think Bush is worried about the “i” word. Also, just let me know what animal rescue org you want to name.
CF: Good choice. I also designate the Lord’s Diner.
Nathan,
The last article wasn’t clear enough? OK, here’s one from the NYT. See if you can spot the blaming of the victim. Alternatively, try to deny this ISN’T what’s going on.
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Ms. Armstrong and Ms. Willeford said the accident was largely the fault of Mr. Whittington, who had reappeared alongside two of his hunting companions without giving proper warning. Mr. Cheney, who was carrying a 28-gauge shotgun, had already begun to fire and sprayed Mr. Whittington.
“He got peppered pretty good,” Ms. Armstrong said. “He fell with his head toward me.” She said she ran over to Mr. Whittington, who had fallen, but stayed out of the way while Secret Service agents tended to him.
“There was some bleeding, but it wasn’t horrible,” she said. “He was more bruised.”
Ms. Willeford, whose husband was also at the ranch, said in an interview after visiting the victim at the hospital that Mr. Whittington accepted responsibility for the accident. “He understands that he could have handled it better,” Ms. Willeford said. “Harry should have let us know he was back there.”*****************************
I don’t expect you to be satisfied–after all, you never are–but I feel justified in saying I’ve proven my case: game, set, match.
P.S. Outlander, though I’ve already committed, I think ksfarmgrrl is right that the Young Republicans are the needier group who could use our assistance with Operation Yellow Elephant.
LOL outlander. I dont know any of your groups down there, but if you suggest a good one, I’ll go for that. Otherwise, how about the Humane Society of the High Plains?
Ok by me. Nola?
Dear Randy,
Since we are allowing complete columns instead of just posting links, here’s one that I think pretty much suthe situation:
The Shooting Party
By Tony Blankley
THE WASHINGTON TIMESPublished February 15, 2006
In the absence of any pressing news these days — other than Iran’s nuclear weapons development crisis, the election of Hamas terrorists in Palestine, on-going worldwide Muslim riots and killing in reaction to a cartoon, Al Gore’s near sedition while speaking in Saudi Arabia, the turning over of our East Coast ports to be managed by a United Arab Emirates firm, the criminal leaking of vital NSA secrets to the New York Times, Mexican military incursions across our southern border, the Iraqi crisis, Congress’s refusal to deal with the developing financial collapse of Social Security and Medicare, inter alia — the White House press corps has exploded in righteous fury over the question of the vice president’s little shooting party last weekend.As I understand the profound concern of the ever alert White House reporters, they smell a constitutional crisis because the shooting party failed to alert the media of the accidental shooting down in Corpus Christi, Texas. Well, actually they did alert the Corpus Christi media — but that didn’t count. Unless the exalted ones have been formally informed by an official government press secretary, no public communication has technically occurred.I checked the bylaws of the White House press corps, and they are right. It seems that the bylaws refer to Article XXIII of the U.S. Constitution which expressly designates that White House reporters with a minimum annual income of $375,000 (plus minimum stock options equal to not less than two-thirds their yearly salary, plus use of driver and long sedan during business hours, which hours must include post-deadline dinner engagements of a semi-social nature) are the exclusive recipients of all government information.If information isn’t hand-delivered in gold-edged paper to them while they are reclined on their chaise longue, it hasn’t been released to the public. And if they don’t report a fact, it hasn’t happened. This provision is vital to a vigorous and independent free press. (I should note, my copy of the Constitution must be outdated, because it doesn’t have an Article XXIII.)Of course, this provision technically makes the White House press corps not reporters, but receivers — sort of glorified shipping clerks, but with the prerogative to rewrite and repackage the material before they deliver it to the public.When an out-of-town newspaper got the scoop, the dignity of the White House press corps had been impeached, so they threw a public temper tantrum. As that has worked for many of them since their early childhood, they obviously expect it to work while on the job — to use the term loosely.To add to their indignity, the reporter for The Washington Post went on MSNBC dressed up in a hunting costume to ridicule the vice president. (It is said that the enfeebled and debased French Dauphin, Charles VII, dressed in women’s clothing to hide from Joan of Arc, who was trying to save France.)I suppose most of us, as we rise in life, develop a sense of entitlement and pompous dignity. Doubtless we all think we are more important than we are.As Charles de Gaulle once sardonically observed while walking past a graveyard: “that place is full of indispensable men.”But the Washington press corps, and particularly the White House press corps, has developed, as an institution, a grossly dilated view of itself. Most of us can tolerate arrogance, if it is accompanied by extraordinary capacity and virtuosity. The brilliant scientist, the war-winning general, the great artists are entitled to their pride.But the hallmark of the Washington press corps these days is mediocrity, groupthink, a lack of curiosity and rampant careerism. These attributes were all on show in the shooting-party incident. But this is just a trivial incident — except for the poor, shot gentleman who suffered a heart attack, may he recover fully and quickly.We live at a moment of revolutionary change in the international order. The rise and violenceofradical,possibly caliphate-forming Islam and the huge, culture-changing, unexamined consequences of rampant globalization make the present one of the least predictable moments to be alive.Both government officials and citizens are in desperate need of a national press corps that is alive to the change and digging to find factual hints of the near future. We need the kind of future-oriented intellectual vigor, curiosity and genuine iconoclasm that typified American reporters in the first half of the last century.Instead, as the shooting-party incident exemplified, we have in the White House at the most elite level of American journalism, self-absorbed, self-important men and women who stand on their prerogatives even over marginal and inconsequential matters.Should they ever have a truly daring, creative, productive, hard-researched idea about what is going on in this dangerous world — they should alert the media.—–
Looking for a good dog charity? Here’s one:
http://beardie.net/bcca/rescue.htm
It’s my personal favorite!
Hank
Nola and Phill…two more great reasons to use screen names. You dont think anyone will want the WE blog server records, do ya?
Can you link that article for me CF?
I am having troulbe finding it.
ksfarmgrrl,
The simple fact is that I have not seen a qoute of anyone saying that it is the victims fault.
I see lots of interpretations of what was said about what happened.
Where is a qoute of someone actually saying it is the victims fault?
Nathan,
The victim, Mr. Whittington, is clearly assigned responsibility in the quote I included above. Here is the link to the full story, which ran in the NYT on Monday, 2/13, and was authored by Anne Kornblut and Ralph Blumenthal. You have to register for the site to access the article, but it is free to do so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/politics/14cheney.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fK%2fKornblut%2c%20Anne%20E%2e_rQ3D1Q26nQ3DTopQ252fReferenceQ252fTimesQ2520TopicsQ252fPeopleQ252fKQ252fKornblutQ252cQ2520AnneQ2520EQ252e_rQ513D1Q5126nQ513DTopQ51252fReferenceQ51252fTimesQ512520TopicsQ51252fPeopleQ51252fKQ51252fKornblutQ51252cQ512520AnneQ512520EQ51252e_rQ51513D1Q515126nQ51513DTopQ5151252fReferenceQ5151252fTimesQ51512520TopicsQ5151252fPeopleQ5151252fKQ5151252fKornblutQ5151252cQ51512520AnneQ51512520EQ5151252e_rQ5151513D1Q51515126nQ5151513DTopQ515151252fReferenceQ515151252fTimesQ5151512520TopicsQ515151252fPeopleQ515151252fKQ515151252fKornblutQ515151252cQ5151512520AnneQ5151512520EQ515151252e_rQ515151513D1Q5151515126nQ515151513DTopQ51515151252fReferenceQ51515151252fTimesQ515151512520TopicsQ51515151252fPeopleQ51515151252fKQ51515151252fKornblutQ51515151252cQ515151512520AnneQ515151512520EQ51515151252e_rQ51515151513D1Q515151515126nQ51515151513DTopQ5151515151252fReferenceQ5151515151252fT&_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1140036183-av2FDs68k+Q5gJT0mKAYcw
And yes, the link really is that long.
I will expect a full report on how the crow tastes.
Sorry Nathan,Not buying it. You simply CANNOT be as dense as you are pretending to be.
That is the first article I have seen that someone actually said it was the victims fault.
Even then, it was the victim that said it…
I don’t agree with that.
I say Cheney is at fault, of course. Either way, it is not the administration laying blame on the victim it is the other people involved…
Lets wait and see what the VP says tonight. I bet he accepts full responsibility.
The apoligy would mean so much more if Cheney could lose the trade mark sneer.
Here is the link regarding Cheney’s Fox interview:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184957,00.html
Did you see Geraldo on the O’Reilly Factor?? Geraldo’s blaming Cheney for nearly killing his hunting partner. Guess we’ll be booking the VP for involuntary manslaughter if he dies! Geraldo really should wear less than 8 pounds of make-up it’s affecting his thinking.
If Whittington was standing in a gulley as Cheney says, and sustained a head shot, Cheney must have been trying to shoot the quail out of the brush.
60 comments so far on the biggest non-issue of the year.
Meanwhile, last week another 25,000-50,000 illegals (but who’s counting?) walked across our southern border. Many of them brought illegal drugs, and others will commit murder and rape against our legal citizens. Meanwhile the Mexican Army drives across the border in Humvees loaded with more drugs and shoots at our border patrol. But, who cares? Nnobody gives it any attention.
What crap.
Janet, you are so out of step with the mainstream of america it has me laughing and gasping for breath.
I guess that is why the oh so liberal MSNBC polls show 70% of those polled are STILL INTERESTED IN THIS NON-STORY.
Does anyone but me think there are only two conservative posters here but they use thousands of names? They all sound alike…
Ya gotta admit ksfarmgirl, that this all goes with the tabloid mentality of the day. The issues are simple: *Dick shot Harry. (no word of where Tom was in all this) * Dick didn’t tell David Gregory. David is mad.
Then you have all the inane speculation: * Dick was drinking *Dick was on an outing without his wife. (wink wink) * Dick is out as VP. * Or my personal favorite, Dick shot Harry as a warning to Scooter Libby!
That is the kind of stuff that holds America’s interest these days. I’m pretty sure that’s not a good thing.
I know, outlander, I know. How dare the american public be interested when cheney’s and armstrong’s stories have more holes than harry’s hunting vest. We should never be interested when cover-ups occur. Look what happened to poor ol’ nixon. Damned msm anyway.
Was everyone’s interest in bill’s bj NOT tabloid mentality?
Sure. With a little dose of perjury thrown in.
Oh I see, it is ok to lie if you are not under oath. Thanks for clearing that up. That rule must be in the bible, or maybe it is the ten commandments….
BTW, I do not support lies by bill either. I am commenting on the public interest. Do you think a perjury charge was that interesting to the public? Or was it the lurid details of monica gate? And is the vp so damned stupid, or has so much hubris that he, or anyone else, thought this wouldnt be a story?
ksfarmgrrl: I think I answered that question. Sure the story was salacious and drew the interest of the public. And with perjury by a sitting president to boot. That reinforces my point about the Cheney story. Tabloid mentality.Is this one of those straw men that ProudLib warned me about making up?
Truce outlander. I am not trying to pick a fight with you…today :)
I am just amazed, at both sides here, that the answer to every question is “oh, yea, well (fill in the blank) did it too! Or ______ did it first!” (except when the answer is “it’s in the bible”, the other go to position)
I know that is not exactly what you said or meant, so I apologize for snapping at you, but I see that pop up here all the time.
Is this country just doomed to make the same mistakes over and over because someone else set a bad example? When the hell are we gonna hold ‘em to a higher standard? Are we so used to lies and corruption that it is a non-story?
Before I die, I hope one day to see voters hold ALL their elected officials accountable for hypocricy, lies, damned lies, and statistics! We need honest leaders not lame promises and smoke up our hineys.
We get the government we deserve, from carlos to bonnie to sam to cheney to preznit.
Outlander, serious here. Why cant people from both the right and the left repeat after Alfalfa “no more lying, ohtay?” Telling the WHOLE truth is not an r or a d or a right or a left or a god or no-god issue. It should be a damn american issue.
I would be glad to join forces with the most conservative of religious people if we could just vote together to make that one point. Shouldnt that be the one thing about which we can all agree?
OK. I agree with most of that kfg. I just pray for discernment as to how to determine what the truth is. (and no, it’s not “listen to ksfarmgirl”.) :)
Farm Gal,Of course politicians lie. That’s how they get elected. We are the ones who vote for the guy that tells us what we want to hear instead of the one who gives us the hard truth! Sure, we can spend more on all your pet projects and still cut taxes! Sure, we can defeat terrorism by bombing Iraq! All we have to do is stay the course!The thing about democracy is that we don’t get the government we want, we get the one we deserve!
As Chef from South Park would say: “All elections are a choice between a douche and a turd.”So, do you want the puppet on the left? or the puppet on the right?
Hmmmm……..
The victim is the shooting says it happened Friday. Now he is recovering frombeing shot in the face by a friend and this may be a simple mistake….
But Hmmmm….
No Affidavits of witnesses released. Hunt guide (expert on what went wrong) not questioned. Fish and Game depiction of wounds show trauma to left side of face. Actual injury to right side of face.
Hmmm…….now eventhough Mr. Whittington is ok and has basically apologized to CHENEY “for the pain Cheney endured because he shot me”??? (Wow this guy is a GREAT REPUBLICAN. Do it to me one more time!) I don’t think this is going away.
Hunters? help me out here. It is nearly dark. You are walking the field with the sun at or near your back. The bird flushes. You swivel and fire….into the setting sun, downhill! Do YOU take the shot?
What I REALLY wanna know is if Cheney hit the bird too.Anyone?
JR, by cheney’s version, his gun would have been pointed DOWN not up. Pointed lower than level. He said harry was on lower ground, other wise he would have hit harry lower on his body. He was shooting down at the ground the way he said it.
Then look at harry on tv. Those looked like “up shot” wounds, and the pellets were stopped by his chin. Look at the pattern on his face. It looks like cheney might have indeed been shooting up, but harry would have had to be on HIGHER ground to get those kind of neck and face wounds, which, of course, were all we could see.
raptor, did you know that the armstrong party never called the REAL sheriff directly on saturday night. Do you know who they contacted? The previous sheriff, who then called the REAL sheriff. The armstrong party NEVER spoke to the real sheriff until the next day.
Now, here is the curious part. The PREVIOUS sheriff, um…lives on the armstrong ranch and works for katherine “two beers” armstrong. HE was the one who called the current sheriff and together, without visiting the scene or interviewing any witnesses, they decided there was “nothing to see here” and the deputy could visit the ranch on sunday. Do you hear the skater’s waltz playing in the background. Masterful choreography.
It does get curiouser and curiouser and it requires us to believe six impossible things before breakfast raptor. Something you apparantly do with ease.
Direct link to ballistics test video proving that offical story is a complete lie.
http://www.infowarsmedia.com/ bal…cs_test_mdm.wmv
There you go guys, lets hear your pearls of wisdom.
Some speculation too that the former sheriff who lives on the ranch is also the “hunting guide” with them who apparently saw less than kate two beers. Wonder why no one questioned the guide?
kfg: That’s a dandy website. Looks like the tinfoil crowd has their own site now.
I just saw a video going around that showed that on 911, the airliners fired missles into the towers just as they entered. It was clear and convincing they say. Did that come from this site too?
Notice how outlander didnt comment on the ballistics study, just threw a few insults at the “tinfoil” site.
And said “9/11″ just for good measure. I see how your comments relate to refuting the evidence. I dont know, where did the video of the missles come from, since you are the one that saw it. I’d like a link to that site, just to check for tinfoil, ya know.
The reason I didn’t comment on the study is because I don’t think it is reliable information from a trustworthy source. Can you demonstrate that this is not a wack job site like it appears to be?
Outlander, I AM REALLY SORRY!!!!
DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LINK!!!!!!
I cant even explain what is up with this link. I went there earlier, copied and pasted the link here. I am wondering if the site got hijacked or I somehow got punked.
I have gotten two different websites by clicking on the link. One re-directs me from what I think is the original site to the tinfoil site you saw. And dude, you are correct. It is a tinfoil site!! I am so sorry, and hope no-one gets spammed or picks up a virus from clicking on the link.
Again outlander. Sincere apologies.
No problem. I also got a redirect screen.
The Tony Blankley post came close to the real issue with the press today.
http://theflyoverzone.blogspot.com/2006/02/media-surrendering-to-terror.html
They are fiddling while Rome burns.
I’m still waiting for MSM to conduct a ballistic test. Are they too gutless. It could help support Cheney & Co. version of what happened.
Republicans had to send Cheney to the hole (Jackson Hole) for a week, so Bush could finally get some media coverage.
I’m pondering…. Maybe there truly is something like an axis of evil. But it’s not defined by the ones getting shot but by the one who’s aiming the big gun
But seriously, it’s been a stupid accident, a guy almost got killed. Could have happened to anyone. But everything around it stinks.It begins to sound familiar:deception, coverup, above the law.
Richard,
What about it stinks?
That they did not call to schedule the interview with 60 minutes the hour it happened?
Where is the deception?
Where is the coverup?
Where is the above the law?
I think this thing demands wider investigation. After all, if we plumb the depths of these folks in their recreational, off the job time and find fault; what are we to think of how they behave when on the job?
Sum1, sorry, I didnt mean to leave you out or any of the other sane people here.
All of you Cheney bashers make me sick. Get a life and leave him alone. Don’t you have anything better to do? Stop your left-wing nonsense. It was just an accident. Cheney couldn’t make any public statements until he had all of the facts. That would heve been irresponsible. Go back to swinging from trees, you monkeys!
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