Visioneering Wichita identified improving race relations as an important 20-year goal for our community — and the survey of race perceptions now under way is a good first step toward that end.
Wichita, historically a segregated community, needs to do more bridge-building, especially now that the city is growing increasingly diverse with Asian and Hispanic residents.
It was particularly inspiring to see the front-page photograph in Monday’s Eagle of residents of North Chautauqua, a rainbow neighborhood, standing together in solidarity.
One of the lifelong residents of that area, Bob Rogers, who is white, spoke eloquently to those who fear change and diversity:
“Open your eyes, open your heart, open your mind — and it will open doors.”
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Racial integration serves a deviate end. Nothing worthwhile. Nothing of value.
It breeds a smoldering inner hatred, as both cultures lose their unique identity and their precious heritage.
A realistic and better plan is when races live as birds of a feather, without hatred of each other, and with sincere respect and consideration.
Not only is integration a bad idea, it also doesn’t work.
As someone who’s lived in Orange County, CA, and Memphis, TN, Wichita measures up as pretty damn racist.
Last year, an ex-girlfriend of mine, who is black, was sitting in a bar on the West side when the owner causally mentioned that whenever he took his boat out on Lake Cheney, someone had to act as the ‘boat nigger.’ He then couldn’t understand why she was upset.
Last month, my 18 year old, mixed-race son was crossing the street when an older woman in a newer car yelled, ‘get out of the street, nigger!’ as she drove by.
Of all the places I’ve lived, Wichita has the least diversity on all levels, the least respect for diversity, and the most overt and hostile racism. No contest.
CF, You obviously haven’t spent time in Mobile, Alabama. My husband was there for awhile on a project and said he felt ashamed that he was white after the way he watched African Americans being treated by the white people he was working with.We lived in a racially diverse neightborhood while my kids were growing up. On any given day, you could find kids of all races and ethnic backgrounds playing basketball together in my driveway.Sorry, Ed, I just can’t agree with you. My kids grew up in an integrated environment, and today they are open minded and accepting of everyone. When they look at another person, the first thing they DON’T see is the color of that person’s skin.
Memphis Tennessee is not a racist city? My goodness! I guess you didn’t get around much there.
You will find racism everywhere, including reverse racisim against white. I like it when I heard from somebody that, “Once we stop talking about race and color, we can move ahead to a better society.”
The problem is that we still use color and race labels in America.
True, Joe. When we no longer define people by the color of their skin, then we’re on the way to achieving MLK’s dream.
JoeW.
There is no such thing as “reverse racism.” This is a straw man erected as part of a white backlash for real rights of people of color.
The fact that some blacks no doubt don’t much like whites, don’t trust them as much, don’t understand them as well and don’t choose to befriend and associate with them is NOT racism.
Racism implies that someone in a power relationship uses that power against someone else based on race.
Reverse racism would be if black cops started pulling you over because you were white. Reverse racism would be if blacks lived in all the desirable neighborhoods in town and you couldn’t live there because you’re white. Reverse racism would be if your bank loan was turned down because your name is “Joseph” instead “Deshawn.”
Since I’m assuming that this has never happened to you, you have never been a victim of “reverse racism.”
I guess ProudLiberal you haven’t spoken to white people that live in places that they are the minority. There are places like Miami that will not hire white people based on their color.
Also! If a white person don’t want to be associated with, don’t like, don’t trust people of color, does that make them racist?
I’m sorry! I know the people of color get the raw deal of racisim in America, and generally people who are white do have somewhat an advantage, but it is not the fact every time and every place.
But that being said, although racisim still exsit, I do not think it is prevelent as it once was in the past. The younger generation and politically tolerable people, such as myself tend not to be racist.
The people I know that are racist are generally older generations and leftist liberals.
Joe Williams,
Did you even read what I wrote?
I didn’t say Memphis wasn’t a racist city. I said that of the places I’ve lived, Wichita was the most overtly racist. Duh. I stand by that statement.
And by the way, Joe Williams, I lived in Memphis for six years, and go back frequently. Memphis is majority black by a substantial margin, and has a black mayor, police chief, and a majority black city council. For that matter, Shelby County also has a black chief executive, A.C. Gilless. The numbers aren’t anywhere near comparable for Wichita. I think YOU’RE the one who hasn’t spent any time there.
Beyond that, in the South, the soul brothers and the good old boys often get along in interesting ways that would be TOTALLY foreign here. I once attended a concert of Big and Rich (white country stars) that was held ON Beale Street. Imagine 2,000 rednecks from TN, AR, and MS at the epicenter of black Memphis. It was hilarious wathcing everyone gawk and flirt with everyone else, within and across the color line. From what I’ve seen, that could NEVER happen here. Too polarized, and the black folks here don’t exist in the numbers that would command conservative redneck respect.
Damoon,
I’m sure there’s lots of overt racism in Mobile, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t here as well. In six years of living in Memphis, I heard the word ‘nigger’ used by a white person against a black person precisely ONE time. In a year and a half of living in Wichita, I’ve indirectly encountered it being used against people close to me two times. Moreover, neither my son nor my ex-girlfriend had ever had it used against them prior to coming here.
I think this town has a glaring racism problem that it doesn’t think is a problem.
PL,As a white guy who lived for 14 years in a mostly poor black neighborhood, I can tell you that racism can and does cut both ways. Until I’d established myself there, I was subjected to racial epithets and threats by people who had the power to do me and my family much harm.After we had been there a while, and the people got to know us, all that stopped and my family became a part of the neighborhood. You should have seen the crowds that came to my front yard when my kids’ blues band played on the porch!While we did experience racism at first, I will say that eventually we gained a lot more acceptance there than most black families would in a white neighborhood, and we did it without pretending to be anything other than what we were.Racism stems from attitude, not from authority. Authority has the ability to make it better or worse, but the racism has to be there first.
Jed,
I’m distinguishing between a) racial prejudice, and b) racism.
Without trying to minimize your ordeal, and the intimidation you received, it sounds like the result of prejudicial attitudes toward white folks in general and you in particular. What’s different is that what you underwent wasn’t an institutional imperative with an ideology and legal history behind it. It was a pre-judgement on the part of the black folks in the neighborhood about you and what you were about. And over time, that prejudgment gave way. Racism, real racism, never goes so quietly. It is very, very difficult to root out.
Quite a nice story, Jed. But again, I disagree: while racial prejudice is an equal opportunity malady that can afflict everyone on the basis of what is and isn’t familiar, racism is institutional and serves a purpose: divide and conquer, using an ideology of racial superiority and inferiority. So, for example, your neighbors were racially prejudiced, while someone like Louis Farrakahn espouses a racist ideology. Of course, even Farrakahn has a limited ability to do what anti-black racism can do, but you get the picture.
We supposedly reached the end of racism in this country decades ago. Decades. Since then true racism is only tolerated in two forms:
1) By people to lazy to stand-up for their rights against discrimination. The laws are on the books to protect you.2) Reverse discrimination. Today this racism is far worse than it’s predecessors in that people today are punished for the sins of others. Affirmative Action and its racial quotas are just plain racist and wrong. This is institutionalized racism.
I find it interesting that the worst example of ‘racism’ provided here is calling someone a nigger. Such speech is protected by the Constitution. Besides, if that is your standard then blacks must be the most self-loathing group in modern society.
In short, if you take time to consider the institutionalized racism that existed in the past then you wouldn’t even flinch at life today.
Before all the insults start (yes I’m talking to ProudLiberal), I’ve changed my name to OneShot for a reason. I’ve said my peace and that’s all I will say.
So, One Shot is a little white Repuke jihadist: throws his punch and runs away. The Mohammad Atta of the WEBlog, with the difference that Atta had enough balls to die killing thousand of innocents.
Typical cowardly GOPuke.
CF, in no way was I denying that racism exists in Wichita, I’ve seen it many, many times in my life. But what my husband experienced in Mobile was much worse, and I just attibuted it to the fact that he was in the South. Maybe that’s my own prejudice.We lived in a racially mixed neightborhood for 18 years, and there was a lot of interaction, friendship, and tolerance for one another. When we moved out to the suburbs, where it was predominately white, I found that my neighbors were much more prejudiced. I attribute this to the fact that many of them have been sheltered from racially mixed environments. That’s why I can’t agree with Ed’s statement about integration breeding hatred, I think it’s just the opposite.
CF,I really think your distinction is meaningless when racists have the power to do you harm. Institutional racism is certainly bad, but racism doesn’t have to be codified to be enforced by violence. In fact, much of the worst racism is unspoken and unistitutionalized. Lynching has never been legal, but it’s effect has been more stifling than any Jim Crow law.Power, in the end, flows from the barrel of a gun, and my neighbors all had guns. I didn’t, a fact I was fully concious of those first few months. I’m sure many black families who moved to white neighborhoods felt much the same way I did. The difference was that enough of the black residents made an effort to find out who I was and was about, and spread the word, and I did gain acceptance. That doesn’t often happen in white neighborhoods.
Jed,
Fair enough. And I concur that black folks are generally more likely to move beyond racially prejudicial ways of seeing white folks than vice-versa.
Predictably, though, we still disagree. I see racism as an ideological weapon used by a majority, and backed up by the force of law. On my view, racism is a system of prejudice backed up by the dominant, majority institutions. It employs legal and extra-legal means. I don’t distinguish off-the-books intimidation practices like lynching from on-the-books discriminationn and Jim Crow. The fact that the lynchers always went free shows the untenability of the distinction. They had the protection of the system, whether their actions were legal or not.
Can black folks do violence to white folks? Undoubtedly. Can they do so from hatred of white folks? You bet. But I still see a qualitative difference between this violence and what I’m calling racism.
Your neighbors may have had guns, but if they had used them, the law presumably would not have stood by. For much of our history, if the situation were reversed, and you, a white man, had used your gun against a black person, the law would indeed have stood by. And even today, the fact that one sees sentencing disparities for black on black versus black on white crime shows that the law often is used in the service of an attitude of racial disparity. The fact that some lives are taken to matter more than others, and that sentences reflect this fact, shows that we still live in a system that is set up for white benefit.
Ultimately, I’ll claim that all uses of violence aren’t equal, because if one person is punished less severely than another for the same crime, the difference must lie in a larger asymmetry within society. So, that’s racism; an ideology backed up by an institution.
Damoon,Fair enough. Didn’t mean to lump you in with others.
Reminder folks: If you feed the bears, they will come back.
Am I on the wrong thread, or are the mods working quickly tonight?
Why were the Carr brothers never charged with hate crimes?
V.L.R.B!!!
Listen to yourselves. See how much hatred integration is generating. The very thing you all are expecting integration to accomplish, the exact opposite is happening.
So, without malice, I’ll say it again: ” Racial integration serves a deviate end. Nothing worthwhile. Nothing of value.
It breeds a smoldering inner hatred, as both cultures lose their unique identity and their precious heritage.
A realistic and better plan is when races live as birds of a feather, without hatred of each other, and with sincere respect and consideration.
Not only is integration a bad idea as forced policy, it also doesn’t work.”
I have seen more overt examples of Racism in places like Gulf Shores, Alabama (the redneck Riviera)where a famous pro football player will let you into his “private” bar, if you are caucasian – well, it was 1979 when that was true.
Wichita is a very segregated city and its my view that this forms the base of our racism.
I do business in Atlanta and last I knew the African American/White ratio in that city was 70/30. People there of all races are unfailing polite. Much more so than any other large city I’ve been to.
I am a detractor on the reverse descrimination argument.
The great and evil social experiment of forced multiracialism and integration is EVIL and will end in mass bloodshed.
V.L.R.B!!
Something from Andy Rooney:
“I don’t think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens…Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.”
No comment.
“The great and evil social experiment of forced multiracialism and integration is EVIL and will end in mass bloodshed.”
It will if Ian Santiago has anything to do with it.
OMG, has anyone noticed something here. Ian and Ed hold remarkably similar ideas on race. They post only minutes apart from one another.
Ian is a “hispanic” who hates meztisos. Ed is a Jew who hates Israel.
Ed, are you Ian?
The idea that black “racism” hurts whites to the same extent that white “racism” hurts blacks is pure Rush Limbaugh backlash.
It comes from ignorance of history and just plain ignorance.
Galahad, You are such a stupid little fat girl, no wonder you know so little, the boys won’t tell you how bad you smell.
Your membership in the KKK is something you really need to apologize to black people for keeping so long.
Why don’t you a least try?
Answer my question straight up.
Is Ed and Ian the same person?
BTW, your hysterical response doesn’t fill me with confidence the answer is “no.”
Consider this post by “Ian” awhile back–
The Israelis killed Hariri and Syria is being implicated to justify yet another war for the zionist parasite!
Posted by: Ian Santiago | October 25, 2005 at 03:08 PM
Sound like anyone you know?
Galahad,
I am not ED, I am me, Ian Santiago. I am not “hispanic”, I am a White Christian American of Cuban/Spanish ancestry. As for mestizos, I le ‘em just fine IN mexico, el salvador and the rest of the central american pestholes.
V.L.R.B!!
Well, isn’t that something. Ian posts at 4:50, Ed at 4:52, Ian at 4:55.
Then we get Ed at 6:10 and Ian 20 minutes later.
Both vicious racists, both on at the same time.
You’re busted, loser.
Insults from Ed and Galahad. I keep forgetting to remember to avoid these forums.
Ian claims to be a follower of a Jew but also hates Jews. He is the sort who would have nailed that Jewish carpenter to the cross.
The biggest racists are the ones who are continually screaming racism, such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc. Their claims of racism are meant to get headlines, not get to the truth.
For example, a Black Miss America pageant is promoted, accepted and held regularly. The scream of racism would ring across the country if there was ever a WHITE Miss America pageant.
Sad. The true racists are the ones who continually bring it up, and blame all sorts of ills and problems solely on race.
Galahad, I don’t have anything against fat girls, I just never get close enough to smell the ones like you, surely not close enough to hear what they have to say….Now why to you hate Jews and blacks so much? Did they make you fat?
And stink?
I think that the person posing in this thread as Ed is an imposter.
V.L.R.B!!!
Ben Huie,
It was the Jewish Sanhedrin that conspired to crucify Christ, not the Romans!
V.L.R.B!!
The Mossad killed Hariri and blamed it on Syria. That’s what they do. Are you too dumb to know that?
Ray, I have to agree with you about Sharpton.
An ironic comment following something rascist Ed posted: “Racial integration serves a deviate end. Nothing worthwhile. Nothing of value.
It breeds a smoldering inner hatred, as both cultures lose their unique identity and their precious heritage.”
I lived in a very racially mixed neighborhood in Los Angeles and loved it. We enjoyed each others different tastes and backgrounds and I gained far too much weight! We never fely all that smoldering hate that so infests Ed and Ian. We were having too much fun drinking beer and watching the Rams lose! (Well, there was a bit of ‘anger’ when I cheered for the Falcons)
Ian – are you a follower of that Jew? nd by the way, had He been executed by the Jewish system He would have been stoned, not crucified.
Okay, Ed apparently WANTS us to see that he’s Ian.
I did a little sluething and found that
Jan 17 Ed posted at 1:55, Ian at 2:00 and Ed again 2:07.
Jan 16 Ed posted at 3:28, Ian at 3:30, and Ed at 3:33
Jan 09 Ed posted at 12:15, the next post was Ian’s
Jan 09, different thread, Ian posts at 1:30, Ed at 1:37, Ian at 1:40, and Ed at 1:42.
In addition we’ve got the Ian/Ed multiple postings above.
Looks like we caught ourselves a troll, folks.
From now on, Ed and Ian are PERSONA NON GRATA.
Neither one of them will be dignified with a response by any of the legitimate posters here.
Of course, troll boy will come back under a different name, but at least we can make him work for it . . .
Galahad, None of you’re observations link together to form any conclusions. The same case could be made many different ways. Nor are Ian views and mine even close.
Galahad,
I am a White Nationalist and Ed seems not be. It was a nice try though!
V.L.R.B!!
Whoa Galahad!”From now on, Ed and Ian are PERSONA NON GRATA.
Neither one of them will be dignified with a response by any of the legitimate posters here.”
Sez who? Who died and left you in charge?
Unlike you, I quit responding to Ian a long time ago. I agree with you on that one.
But you’re going to banish Ed? I don’t think so. Ed has been here from the git-go. He has seniority. Yes he’s got this weird thing about Jews, but we all have our little idosyncracies. Ed may be nutz, but he’s our nut. He may be insane but brilliantly insane.
Ed, I don’t drink but if I did, I’d drink a beer with you anytime. Nutcases like you always make the most interesting friends.
And Galahad….maybe some of the bloggers on these pages dance to your tune. I don’t. I’m my own man and I don’t take orders from you.
You just got too big for your breeches.
I’m not ordering you to anything, XXX.
I believe that Ed/Ian are the same troll. I think I’ve shown that . . . did you even read the posts? He’s just pulling our chains.
If you like being played for a sucker, continue to respond Ed the Jew hating Jew and Ian the Hispanic hating Hispanic.
“Neither one of them will be dignified with a response by any of the legitimate posters here.”
That sure sounds like an order to me. Ipso facto, if I want to be considered a “legitimate poster”, I can’t talk to Ed. Sounds like something I remember from junior high scool. Just because you’re pissed at Ed doesn’t make him Ian.
Ed, I think you’ve just been “Swift boated”. And by a Liberal, no less!
XXX,
Ian posts against “zionists.” Ed makes jokes about drowning blacks in New Orleans.
Then there is the strange coincidence that whenever Ian posts, so does Ed.
I have no authority here, XXX.
But it’s obvious. It’s the same troll.
Be stupid if you must.
BTW, I wasn’t pissed at Ed . . . until it dawned on me he was also Ian.
Which further means that all the crap Ed posts here, he probably doesn’t even believe and he just does it ’cause he’s a sick puke who gets his jollies that way.
His vicious slander when confronted doesn’t fill you with confidence that he is who he says, does it?
Discrimination to fix discrimination ills in reverse is NOT discrimination – it is social justice!
It is not legal to call names based on race but it is legal to give financal aid to get an education AND GET A BETTER LIFE! If your white an male and your above the poverty level – 3 strikes your OUT!
Fairness is fairness …. what the hell are we doing in America?
Uncle Sam
“Ed makes jokes about drowning blacks in New Orleans.”
That’s the second time you’ve made that mistake. You misquote and I’m stupid?
Galahad, calling you a “fat girl” isn’t a slander, it’s an insult.
Ed is just Ed. If you truly think he’s Ian, you need to reconsider who’s stupid.
“I have no authority here, XXX.”
You would do well to remember that. We’re all on equal footing here.
I am not convinced that the nearness in time of posts signifies what you claim, Galahad. There are many posts near in time, but the authors are obviously different people. I do think there are some differences, but some similarities in the positions of Ed and Ian.
For the record, I am convinced esod and Hank are not the same people. I concluded this before Hank’s return. His sentences are longer and I suspect he is better educated. I claim no expertise like the guy who busted the anonymous author of _Primary Colors_ (Joe Klein, if I remember correctly) but I think esod and Hank’s writing is different.
I use my real name and I have never used anyone else’s name or made-up a name. Never.
I speak out against the Zionists in Israel and those in the United States because they represent a clear and present danger to this country and the world.
The government of Israel is involved the illegal and immoral and criminal activities and nobody on this blog takes issue with that.
Most others here defend it. They appear to be Zionists as they follow the Zionist line.
I find that to be abhorrent.
Oh, I’m not Jewish by race or religion though my childhood friends were all Jewish, with one exception.
Ed,
Your last name is a Jewish last name. My last name is Amish. Only people from an Amish ancestory have my name.
How can you claim to not be Jewish “by race” (whatever that means)?
BTW, Ed, I’m going to call you down there in Texas.
If the real Ed Friedmann tells me he never heard of the Wichita Eagle, I’m not going to be surprised.
I’ve been munching on popcorn, watching this entertaining flamewar. It’s only been a day since I visited–how did people get so nasty in such a short time period?
That said, my $0.02 on this quote: “Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens…Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.”
We see a lot of comments like this in the Opinion Line, right around Black History month, Cinco De Mayo and Kwaanza.. the whole “Oh, look at them celebrating their culture but we can’t celebrate our White Culture!”But seriously, think about it. What would be the purpose of celebrating whiteness? It’s a term solely used to refer to skin color. So whites can be South Americans, light skinned Arabs, South Africans, Europeans, Australians, whatever. None of these groups have a unifying history and culture to celebrate. The sole purpose of a “White Miss America” or “White History Month” would be to exclude all other ethnicities. There’s no other purpose. Really, what would you show on WET that you can’t already find on HBO? And why kick out the maybe 20% of minorities who compete for Miss America? What purpose does that serve?
On the other hand, when you have a celebration like Cinco De Mayo, you’re celebrating the winning of The Battle Of Puebla in 1862, AND everyone has a good excuse to eat tamales downtown and maybe hear some Mexican live music.And when you’re devoting a month to black history, you’re focusing on all of the trials and triumphs of a group with shared history–Certainly most of the African Americans in this country have a shared commonality of slave forefathers.
All of these, and many other examples, are celebrating CULTURE. White is not a culture, it is a skin color label. Celebrate you’re Irish, Norweigan, British, French, Swedish, etc culture, and no one will have a problem with it. But don’t slap the label “White” on it and expect me to not take offense.After all, we don’t have a BROWN history month/Brown Miss America/Brown Entertainment TV for us Indians, darker skinned Arabs, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans.
Perhaps all of those squawking about not having special attention paid to “whiteness” would be content with a “American Culture Month”, where we celebrate the pop culture of our gorgeous country–you know, the culture that we’re exporting all over the world.
Sorry for the rant. It’s late, and I’m caffeinated.
I’m German/Irish. And Friedemnann is German: Friedman is Jewish; Friedemann is German, means “man of peace” when translated.
Mother was Catholic, Dad was Episcopalian.
You’re spelling it wrong.
I know I am painting a big target on my back by saying this, but I find it hard to reconcile all this love with the fact that in 2004, half of those who testified in the ks legislature FOR the hate amendment were African-American ministers. I guess everyone loves to be superior to someone. Nice to know that gay people are at the bottom of the totem pole. I wonder who we will hate if we move up a notch?
I guess you could hate Fred, he’s about as low as it gets. Even the most die hard right wing fundamentalist Christians can’t tolerate him! See? It’s not that hard to find someone who has it worse than you!
“Celebrate you’re Irish, Norweigan, British, French, Swedish, etc culture, and no one will have a problem with it”
Very true tara. St. Patricks Day, Oktoberfest, etc etc etc.
I think we should celebrate all sorts of holidays from all sorts of cultures. Maybe then we will actually taste the cultures of our neighbors.
Galahad said:”BTW, Ed, I’m going to call you down there in Texas.
“If the real Ed Friedmann tells me he never heard of the Wichita Eagle, I’m not going to be surprised.”
I hope you post back here if you are wrong, as I suspect.
Hank and Nathan were busted because they are the only two people who would sign their name in their post. A Post showed up with either a Nathan or Hank in the post and a “posted by: the other” outside of it. That was convincing evidence of trollism.
Galahad, looks like you’re melting down, dude. Chill out!
Steven E, Nathan is Hank’s son, I know them both because they’re my neighbors. I think esod is hank, because of a comment he made to me regarding something Hank would know about me and his reference to being on a submarine.Ready to ‘fess up, Hank?
From My Spam Bucket:Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:29:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Barney AliasSubject: Are you the Ed Friedemann that posts to the Wichita Eagle WE Blog site?
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I’m a post-er there, and someone is using this name claiming he’s from Texas.Just wondered if you were aware of it.Thank you,Steve
Gee, Steve, I was totally unaware that I was posting on the WE Blog, and I’m so glad you told me.
Steve is actually the illegitimate son of an Israeli 2 dollar prostitute, who, in fact, is Walker’s mother.
Go take your meds, ED.
No, I think it’s passed time for you to start taking some meds, something, anything, would be better than whatever you’re taking now.
If I could take something to make you disappear, I would.
Ed said:
“Steve
“Gee, Steve, I was totally unaware that I was posting on the WE Blog, and I’m so glad you told me.”
Posted by: Ed Friedemann | January 19, 2006 at 05:24 AM
“Steve is actually the illegitimate son of an Israeli 2 dollar prostitute, who, in fact, is Walker’s mother.”
Posted by: Ed Friedemann | January 19, 2006 at 05:30 AM
Ed, Wanted you to know that I am not this “Steve” and that the first quip was pretty amusing. The second one, was beneath you.
When Ed starts to insult people with “I know you are but what am I” childish rants, he needs to be ignored. Just like a 2 yr old, he should be sent to his room for a time out so he won’t have an audience for his tantrum.
Um, guys, Ed, let’s leave Walker’s Mom out of this. I can attest from personal experience that she was a fine lady before she passed away reciently. She always baked me the best cookies… one of the nicest people I’ve met.
Ed, an apoligy is in order.
Don’t hold your breath, I don’t think Ed is man enough to apologize, much less admit he’s wrong about anything.
Looks like you’re right Damoon.
What a cheap shot.
It is very disappointing. I am more surprised than I probably should be.