Judicial Watch, the conservative legal group that pried damning government records out of the Clinton administration, has now turned up a document that further undermines the Bush administration’s prewar claim that Saddam Hussein was trying to acquire nuclear materials. The 2002 State Department memo concluded that the sale of uranium from Niger to Iraq was improbable because of a host of economic, diplomatic and logistical obstacles, The New York Times reported. Yet the infamous "16 words" about an attempted sale still made President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union address, and Scooter Libby felt it necessary to out former CIA agent Valerie Plame.
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Bush Co. clearly felt the need to punish and smear anyone who put the lie to their trumped up “causus belli.”
And they are good at what they do–John McCain, volunteered to fly missions over Vietnam even though his father was politically connected and could have gotten him out of it like W’s did. (W stands for “wimp”.)
–John Kerry, after his first tour, volunteered for a second more hazardous duty on a Swift Boat. Won a silver star, bronze star with combat V, and three purple hearts. Republican delegates to the Convention wore band-aids with purple hears on them to ridicule his service.
Now, John Murtha–37 year old veteran in the Marines. Quit college to volunteer for Vietnam. Earned bronze star with combat V, Vietnamese Cross for Gallentry, two purple hearts.
Says on the floor of Congress, we have to start a pull-out of Iraq.
Like clockwork, here comes the right-wing smear machine: Jan 14, The Conservative Voice writes, “The Democrat Party’s favorite anti-war veteran, Congressman John Murtha, has had a bad week. No thanks to the the mainstream news media, either. The internet and talk radio were the instruments of Murtha’s negative coverage . . . Murtha opponents as questioning the circumstances surrounding the awarding of his two Purple Hearts.”
The intent is clear. If you can’t beat them on facts, and BushCo can’t, just beat them with a stick (ad baculum): smear them, humiliate them, hurt them, hurt their family, whatever it takes to warn others not speak out.
Oh yes, those 16 words were the only things Bush had for his decision to go to war…
Give me a break.
JOHN McCAIN CAPTURED HIMSELF JUST SO HE WOULD MAKE THE PAPERS AND COULD BE A COMMIE SADAAMER.
BREAKING NEWS…CNN:
Is It Bin Laden? Or is it the Mossad?
CNN: http://www.cnn.com/“A new audiotape purported to be from Osama bin Laden warns that plans for attacks in the United States are under way. The message also offered a truce. “It is obvious now that Bush has been misleading the people. It is better for you not to fight the Muslims on their territory and we offer a long-term truce.”
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/index.html
The White House will turn-down the truce because they need Americans to be killed here in America to bolster-up the sagging “war on terrorism”
Expect Bush to start killing Americans here at home to declare Marshall Law, the final stage of the so-called “Patriot Act.”
No, Nathan, he had a lot of other “evidence” too . . . and that all turned out to be false too.
Since they can no longer argue their case on “facts,” they suppress argument through fear.
Hehe, yeah, I saw that too, Ed.
Israel, Bush Inc., or OSL himself, they all want to keep President Cuckoo-Bananas in power.
And amidst the poll numbers, the scandals, the investigations comes this “be afraid, be very afraid” video from that really scary boogy-boogy man.
Well said, PLib.
PL, It time we let Bush know that we know. The “backroom boys” planned this one, you can bet on that.
I was suspicious when those London Bombs had such sophisticated timers and when the Arabs tried to follow-up some more bombs, they couldn’t even get them to explode.
This is clearly the Mossad. It has their usual signature.
Also those 9/11 pilots were far to well trained in handling fuel-laden multi-engined aircraft which had to fly following-down the Hudson River then turn 180 degrees at over 500 mph, hitting a target only 300 ft. wide, half way up the towers within a few stories of dead-center to make those building come down.
Few commercial pilots could do that today, never mind someone who was supposed to have taken lessons form single=engined crop dusters.
Never happened. Strictly Mossad.
PL, Osama is looking pretty good, the Mossad should take-up photography full-time and stop all the “terrorism” garbage”
Some people would just rather climb a tree to tell a lie rather than just stand on the ground and tell the truth.
Bushco sure does a lot of tree-climbing.
PL, Bushco places no value on human life. Whether it’s a wedding party in Iraq or villagers sitting-down to a Sunday meal, Bushco kills.
Women and children don’t matter, as Bush got that taste for blood the the world’s all-time killer, Ariel Sharon who murdered for over 62 years.
And now he’s going to start killing American civilians. He’s been killing and maiming soldiers, so I guess he has that taste for blood in his nostrils.
Sad.
What is it that is being suppressed by fear?
Pl, The Mossad may target Synagogues so as to take away suspicion. That way they could collect a lot of money as well, like they did with 9/11.
The constitution.
The Mossad will brobably start killing in the “Red States” so as to throw-off suspiction from Bushco.
Look-out Kansas and Texas.
Oh, The Ed Friedemann in Texas has no idea that I’m posting using his name { I keep looking in the mirror saying: ” You’re not posting, you’re not posting }
Is it working?
The truth, Nathan. Anybody who tells the truth gets beaten up by the Godfather’s boys . . .
What kind of a human Being can walk through a VA Hospital, seeing all those maimed soldiers, know he did it with lies, and not come home and stop doing it?
Bush is really a sick person.
Could you be less vague?
Ed,
You do nothing more than blame everything on Israel and you are going to call Bush a sick person? LOL
On top of that, Bush did not do it all with lies…
In conservatitive thought: Don’t do as we do …… do as we say you stinkin liberals should do”!
It is realy sad for America that we no longer collect the thought of all our talented thinkers to produce an intelligent vision for a better future for all America.
In turn, today, we fight opposing factions facist conservatitive vs socialist liberal only to cast mud at one another. Is’nt America worth more than this? Where is our leadership? Where is our future?
Perhaps if we had a third party focused on building a stronger America, one with decent health care, one that taxed profits made outside America higher than profits made in America, one that made American jobs and pensions sacred, one that reduced the deficit, one that reduced American dependance of fossil fuels and foriegn dependance for all our energy. Maybe with a third party we could quit having the Fat Cats vs the Demi Dogs and no plan to achieve solutiond for a better America?
With all your liberal lies it is time to review the law that defines sedition. It is found in the U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 2388: Activities affecting armed forces during war.
[a] Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment of services of the United States, to the injury of service or the United States, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.I assume you are all using assumed names.
“Now, John Murtha–37 year old veteran in the Marines.”
If you see any photos of Murtha, you can tell that he is more than 37 yrs old. If I am not mistaken, I believe he served in the Marine Corps for 37 years and was a decorated veteran in Viet Nam. Being Critical of Bush’s policies is not a safe thing to do if you are a Viet Nam vet. Below is an op-ed piece describing the swift-boating of his good name. This whole thing smells of Karl Rove.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/16/AR2006011600913.html
Rag…..sorry rage
“Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States”
So, the dissemination of false reports with the intent of diverting our forces away from the hunt for Osama bin Ladin should qualify. False reports like yellow cake.
Gee, If I interfere with the Mossad killing Americans it’s against the law? Wow, Whodathoughtit?
Right, StevenE. I meant 37 years in the Marines.
As for his decorations in combat, they’re listed above.
Codie–
Go to hell with that sedition crap.
Thank you.
The Rest of America
Dear Phillip,
Where to begin! Your BLOG entry on yellow cake from its title to its finishing slam on poor old Scooter is nothing but a bunch of spin, half-truths and complete ignorance of recent facts.
Well, lets first review the ‘16 words’ the democratic spin machine has its panties in a wad over, shall we?
From his state of the union speech:
Bush: The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
Lies! Lies! The liberals exclaimed! But now we know that it was true. Even though Bush later apologized for not having enough proof to say for certain he was correct, recent reports and facts have proven it to be true.
The 2002 State Department memo referenced by Judicial Watch was in response to the fact that in 1999 Iraq had sent a delegation to Niger to talk with their president. It was assumed that they were there to by yellow cake. Now lets look at that assumption, did it have any basis in fact? Yes! What does Niger export? Uranium, livestock, cowpeas and onions, in that order. Historically what had been the biggest export to Iraq? (hint, not cowpeas) Why yes uranium! Iraq had in the past purchased at least 600 tons of yellow cake from Niger.
In this 2002 State Department Memo, (written because it was known that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake) another reason they concluded that Niger would probably not sell yellow cake to Iraq was because France controlled the production of yellow cake and also controlled the export of yellow cake. From that 2003 Memo:
“Niger probably is not planning to sell uranium to Iraq, in part because France controls the uranium industry in Niger and would take action to block the sale . . . ,” and, “. . . there are French managers and engineers at every point in the mining, milling and transportation process.”
We now know that France was in the pocket of Saddam through the corrupt ‘Oil for Food’ program.
You finish by saying:
“Scooter Libby felt it necessary to out former CIA agent Valerie Plame.”
Scooter is not charged with ‘outing’ anybody. We now know that Valerie was not even a covert agent as defined under the statute. We now know less about what happened to old Scooter than we did before the indictment.
No my friend, its your face that should be red. All you know about yellow cake is what you can get from the democratic spin machine.
Hank
What a total load of mindless crap.
Yep.
The CIA says it’s Osama Bin Laden’s voice. Now we know without a doubt that it wasn’t Osama Bin Laden’s voice. Why? Because the CIA only says what Karl Rove tells them to say. It’s a lie. A lie that Bushco needs to bolster the sagging, soldier killing, “phony war of terrorism.”
The CIA is pissed, because they left themselves an out by not having a senior member announce the news.
The CIA doesn’t like being used as a tool of Bushco, and is balking at an actual announcement.
Rod Dreher, the racist bigoted ass-editor of the Dallas Morning News being so giddy about Americans being killed right here in America is the real clincher.
” The war of war-crimes “
Israel is the cause of this, not Iran.
http://www.arabworldnews.com/
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=6§ion=0&article=76542&d=20&m=1&y=2006&pix=business.jpg&category=Business
Bin Laden offered peace. Bushco won’t even consider talking about it. Why?
Top U.S. officials responded by saying the United States would not be swayed in its fight against terrorists.
Not even by peace?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/index.html
Do you see what the US is doing?
…”is nothing but a bunch of spin, half-truths and complete ignorance of recent facts.” -Hank Price
Yes Hank, I couldn’t have described your post better myself.
It’s just amazing to see how much BAD evidence conservatives have to believe and how much GOOD evidence they have to ignore to maintain the position that GW didn’t send to war on a pack of lies.
Thank God the other 60-65 percent of America isn’t buying what Bush is selling anymore.
Its amazing how no one seems to be able to actually refute what Hank says…
Gentle people,
This is the 40th post on this BLOG. So far I am the only one to directly respond to the original subject. Most of these posts could be transfered to any other BLOG and fit in.
The liberals merely use this opporunity for public discorse to bad mouth the administration or anyone that disaggrees with their liberal world view.
If I was poor old Phillip I would be a little disappointed.
Hank
Ed said:”The CIA says it’s Osama Bin Laden’s voice. Now we know without a doubt that it wasn’t Osama Bin Laden’s voice.”
The interesting thing about this story is that the CIA announced the confirmation that it was OBL’s voice after a mere 4 hours. They have never made such a declaration so quickly before. An NPR story covered this and assorted voice forensic experts were wondering: 1) does the CIA have new technology, 2) new algorithms, or 3) is something else afoot?
Like Arseno used to say, makes you go hmm . . .
Isn’t it amazing how Nathan can believe that Hank hasn’t been refuted?
Gentle Hank, YOU STILL CAN’T SPELL.
Didja graj-eee-ate?
I might engage in discourse, not discorse.Also when you make a purchase you BUY something, not BY something.etc. etc. bla bla bla.
Have a nice day, you gentle but illiterate soul.
Oh your right proudlib, I missed your post where all you did was say something about bad evidence.
Too bad you did not specifically refute anything Hank said, just call it bad.
Oh yes, you marvolous debater you! Why didn’t I think of that, just say it is bad.
Proudlib, I think it’s the “Bad Seed” thing. They’re living proof that the gene pool needs to be cleaned occasionally.
Dearest Tracy,
Thank you so much for taking the time to read my posts! In the future I will use my spell checker so you are not distracted by my many spelling errors.
Hank
PS Still no other posts related to the subject.
Hank and Nathan–
You guys are just unbelievable. You recycle old arguments that have already been widely refuted and then claim that EVERYBODY ELSE’S POSTS are off-topic or unsubstantiated.
Here’s a link to the whole sick story. The fabricated evidence, the amaturish forgery, the fobbing off of the lies on England, the counter-evidence that Bush Co. ignored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_Forgery
Bush lied. He lied us into an unjustified and immoral war.
If there is a God, and I earnestly believe there is, the people who support this horrible war-for-oil will have to answer for it on Judgement Day. I wouldn’t trade places with them for all the oil in the world.
And as Shakespeare writes, “If his cause be not just, it’ll be a black matter for the King that them to it [war].”
Codie:Oh please don’t turn me into the nsc, or the fbi, or the cia, or the naacp, or the ymca, or the m&m’s, or the vlrb, or the weblog. I just couldn’t take it.
Since we are posting links:
http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
If Bush is a liar with those “16 words” then I am a pink elephant…
Actually, if you could please highlight what part of that link you posted actually calls Bush a liar or refrences him as one Proudlib?
Becuase I scanned through it and did not see that anywhere.
I could have missed it, so please by all means feel free to post that part.
I did a search of the document and the word lie did not even come up…
Interesting.
I guess we should all call Nathan “Pinkie” from now on.
Dear ProudLiberal,
Thank you, so much for responding! Even though your post was nothing more than a personal attack with a link inserted in the middle, I still give you credit for trying! It was somewhat on topic.
I’m afraid the bad news is that your link tends to support my views more than yours. From what I gather, you seem to believe that Bush lied with the sixteen words in his state of the union address. Lets review those words again:
Bush: The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
This is an assertion that the British Government stands behind to this day.
I’m sorry my dear, but nothing in your link refutes anything in the President’s state of the union address. Furthermore, nothing in your link refutes anything in my post. It supports the many of the facts I mentioned. The forged papers that it refers to weren’t even brought to light until six months after the President’s address. The forged papers never were the basis for the president’s remarks or the British Government’s intelligence.
I don’t mind discussing this topic with you, please; just try to be pleasant and factual.
Hank
How silly of me to argue with Hank.
Of course, you’re right. Saddam WAS a “grave and gathering threat.” That’s why we took Baghdad in 36 hours. Because their army was so big and scary.
They were as much of a threat to us as Poland was to the Nazis.
And then there were those nasty, nasty “weapons of mass destruction.” How nasty were they? So nasty they became invisible just to embarass our great leader. But never fear because “those people who said we didn’t find them were wrong. We found them.” Except, damn, we didn’t find them. But we still know they’re there because Bush believes they’re there. So, not to worry because that was what all the authorization of force was for–the non-existent WMD’s.
Then there was that heroic, inspiring scene of the Iraqis ripping down the statue of the hated tyrant, Saddam Hussein. Except they weren’t Iraqis. It was a staged event set up by the military.
Just like . . .The Jessica Lynch rescue. Looked like something from “Cops.” Battering rams, guns drawn, a daring midnight raid . . . all staged. Lynch herself said the Iraqis were taking good care of her and all the soldiers had to do was ask and they could have taken her out without the theatrics.Just like . . .
That professional football player who volunteered to join the military and go to Iraq. He was tragically killed heroically fighting the enemy. But then, it turned out . . . uhm . . . he had been accidentally shot by trigger-happy Americans. Oh well, they told the truth. Eventually.
But forget about the “grave and gathering threat” and the “weapons of mass destruction.” We went in to establish a secure and democratic Iraq. Yeah, that’s it, it was for democracy.
The last election showed that when given a choice the Iraqis want a real democracy just like in the West, right? Uh, no. It shows they want first and foremost for the US to get the hell out of their country. British military found that 82 percent polled want forces to leave now. 58 percent of voters in the last election voted for the Iranian backed United Iraqi Alliance, a theocratic based coalition whose main appeal was its hard-line against US troops in the country.
The US’s hand picked stooge, Iyad Allawi earned a humiliating 14 percent. The US’s first stooge, Ahmad Chalabi, didn’t even get a percent.
Democracy is Iraq is happening, my friends! Nevermind that what they’re voting for is a religious theocracy and the US out now.
So, you’re right, Hank. Things are going splendidly in Iraq and Bush was honest as Abe the whole way.
Now if we could only get the lying liberal media to tell the real story, maybe more than 36 percent of Americans would agree that Bush is doing a good job in Iraq.
Regarding “the Bush never lies” assertion–here’s the party line on Bush and toxic lobbyist Abramoff.
“The President does not know him, nor does the President recall ever meeting him,” McClellan said.
Abramoff would tell prosecutors, if asked, that not only did he know the President, but the President knew the names of Abramoff’s children and asked about them during their meetings. At one such photo session, Bush discussed the fact that both he and Abramoff were fathers of twins.
http://www.washingtonian.com/capital_comment/2006/PowerPlayers/02.html
Isn’t that strange . . . Bush says “I never met him” and Abramoff remembers what they talked about.
Damn liberal media! Will they never cease making up lies about Bush lying?!
Son of a gun, it appears that Nathan is correct: all the evidence points to the fact that Bush did not lie about the Iraq/yellow cake fiasco. After reading all the articles mentioned, that’s the only conclusion that can be drawn. Bush lied about a lot of things, but not about that. Misinformed by british and american intelligence about Iraq’s intent, but that’s about it.
But that hardly qualifies as a cause to invade Iraq. 3 more years . . . will it ever end?
Dearest ProudLiberal,
The only way I can help you through this is if you try to focus. The subject is yellow cake. Did Bush lie about yellow cake? Or is this whole fiasco made up by the democrats because they have nothing of substance to contribute to the war of terrorism?
It is important that we go one subject at a time. You’ll be a lot happier and calmer that way. You are not arguing with me. So far you have not presented anything of substance on the subject of yellow cake for me to respond to.
All of those other topics that you have from the left-wing-hurt-the President-hate-America-spin-machine can be discussed if you want, but first you must admit that Bush didn’t lie in his state of the union address or maybe you could provide just a little tiny piece of evidence that he did.
I have never asserted that Bush never lies. I don’t think he has, but I haven’t asserted that in this BLOG. What I have asserted is that he hasn’t lied about yellow cake.
Focus. Yellow cake. We’ll get to your other misconceptions later.
Hank
The decision to invade Iraq had already been made. Bush offered excuses. It didn’t matter what they were. The invasion would have taken place without any reasons. A “hunch” would have sufficed.
Reading you nitwits ramble-on is too much.
So, here it is: Saddam had a death-ray capable of destroying out ally; precious little helpless victimized poor holocausted gas-chambered Zionist Jew Israel.
Horror the thought { they didn’t get them all }.
Now, are you happy?
Bush put Paul Wolfiwitz, a Zionist Jew, in charge of the World-Bank.
The World is now officially broke.
Are you looking for the IP number from the computer which sent me the E-Mail?
Ed, I’d like to see what’s in the properties box under the details tab. I think I know who the most notorious troll on this blog is. (If I’m right, you’ll LOVE the result) If you’d copy and paste the info (the whole thing), I’d be much obliged. It would be a huge piece of the puzzle I’m working on.
Bush has rejected peace because that guy offering peace was given a name by Bush.
So our soldiers will continue to die, rather than for them not to die because of somebody’s name?
{ A name which Bush gave him }
Suppose we said OK, peace it is? What would that hurt? How would that be a bad thing? There is no negotiating needed, just stop killing. How is “just stop killing” negociating?
So by just “stop killing” you’re not doing anything except “stop killing.”
If the otherside keeps killing, then you can start killing again, so what’s to lose?
Recall the Downing Street Memo which was dated 07-23-02 said:
“C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime’s record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.”
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html – for the whole memo.
Bush was guilty of believing what he wanted to believe (his own rhetoric) which is completely in keeping with his irresponsibility. I have been guilty of this sin, but so far my wanting to believe my rhetoric has not resulted in the loss of thousands of innocent civilian lives (like it has in Iraq). I think we should hold a higher standard for a president than this so-called man has been able to demonstrate.
XXX, One of my computer’s IP is in those properties. Tell what you want and I’ll send it. {his IP number or server? }
Steven, Israel wants to dominate the Middle East. That is what this “terrirism crap” is all about.
Steven, Sharon wanted Saddam removed using the US Military.
XXX, He’s using a phony Yahoo address.
XXX, Is this enough?
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I’m a post-er there, and someone is using this name claiming he’s from Texas.Just wondered if you were aware of it.Thank you,Steve
Ed, that’s perfect!
“XXX, He’s using a phony Yahoo address.”
That’s right, but it doesn’t completely cover his tracks. I’ll work on this for a while. You just never know what small piece of information will tilt the scale.
Thanks again, Ed
Hank– I think Bush knowingly lies in very little of what he says. Because he doesn’t know enough to know what’s true and false.
It’s that plausible denibility thing. Don’t tell me what I don’t want to hear and don’t want to know.
He just says what his handlers tell him to say.
He’s a puppet and a coward without the courage to sift fact from fiction.
And history has taught us that cowards are always the most brutal tyrants.
ProudLib,
You are right about Quisling Bush being a cowrad and puppet but he isn’t stupid; he is corrupt and evil, just like Clinton.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!
Dear ProudLiberal,
I’m sorry you think that way. As a conservative I have a lot of problems with Bush’s domestic policies, but not with his character.
There is no doubt in my mind that he is an honest and very intelligent man. His own man. I’m afraid that it will be difficult for us to have an honest debate. I attempt to stay on point and you bring your feelings.
Hank
Oh come on, Hank!!! “Bush is a very intelligent man”?!? I thought you were more intelligent than that!!!!
Ian, What’s a cowrad?!? Is it anything like “BLACH HITORY”?!? If you’re trying to talk like with an African American dialect, your “ebonics” suck!
I jus b keepin it real 4 sho, you.
Dearest Damoon,
You don’t have a baseball bat, do you?
Hank
I have a ball bat and a shovel!!
poo
Dearest Hank,
From the article that you claim to agree with:
In his January 2003 State of the Union address, President George W. Bush repeated the allegation, citing British intelligence. The administration later conceded that evidence in support of the claim was inconclusive and stated “these 16 words should never have been included” in Bush’s address to the nation, attributing the error to the CIA.
If the administration thought the evidence was still good, why did they themselves say the “uranium from Niger” claim was “inconclusive” and should not have been included?
Oh, that’s right, I forgot. You know more about it than all the reporters and the President himself . . .
Just like in the Valerie Plame case where you get to tell the CIA who an undercover agent is.
Although it is hard to keep up with the ever-changing White House spin, I’ll grant you that.
One day you’re having to argue that Saddam tried to get the yellowcake and the next day you’re having to say, it doesn’t matter, they’re only 16 words.
No wonder an apologizing appartachik like yourself gets confused as to exactly what party line he has to mouth to stay in the good graces of the commissars.
If you lived in the Soviet Union in 1986, you’d be saying, “we have to stay and finish the job against Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan . . . “
Is that on point enough for you, old man?
The Bush people THEMSELVES say the Niger claim shouldn’t have been in the SOTU address (and predictably blame others for the mistake).
Ed, it appears your mystery correspondence came from Butler County Community College in El Dorado. It looks like it’s a student server; I ran across this on the Web:***********************************
Signer_FullName: ***** ******Remote Name: 208.8.14.9Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2005Time: 07:10 PM
CommentsDear Families of Jenny and Elizabeth im doing a term paper on the Death Penalty and come across this article. man when i read it i just wanted to cry. i know it was so long ago but im so sorry to hear about your guys loss. may god bless you guys. **** ******
So whether or not your correspondent was really “Steve” (my only reason for interest), I would say it was a college student (that would certainly fit the scriptkiddie MO).
Sorry if I beat ya to the punch, X. Feel free to dig further.
No problem, Rage. Nice piece of work! Just another piece of the puzzle. Near as I can tell, 3 different posters have posted as Steve”. 2 instances were just chafe. Our “real Steve” put out a huge red herring and that confused me at first, but “Steve” made a huge mistake recently. I know who he is. I can provide a pretty good circumstantial case, but I need a little more proof.
The above is fascinating. I don’t know that I am so interested in who steve is as a person, but who he might be as “multiple-posters”, if I am understanding you guys correctly.
If you chose to tell us more, you might want to type slowly for us challenged people. If I get completely lost, I will get my 13 yr old son.
Speaking for myself, if you can get him to behave like a relatively normal person here (say, by threatening to reveal his identity!), I don’t care who he is. . .
Steven E., it’s not so much what “Steve” posts, it’s what triggers a post from our favorite troll. Look at who he responds to, then ask yourself what triggered the response. There’s a pattern. There’s also a huge red herring.
I’ll have to do that. This is better than an old Columbo episode.
Would welcome more hints, too.
Would this have anything to do with the principle underlying the fact that professional wrestling never goes broke?
Rage, XXX, Steven E. I think that that student is a “suspected terrorist.”
Steven, you’ll have to tell me what the underlying principal of professional wrestling is. That’s something I avoid.
Another hint?
“Steve” is a regular here. If you were “Steve” (and you’re not), what would be the best way to deflect suspicion away from yourself?
Ed, if the student is a suspected terrorist, you’re on THE LIST. But considering your views, you were there anyway, LOL! Got any pointers how I can get on the list?
XXX:”If you were ‘Steve’ (and you’re not), what would be the best way to deflect suspicion away from yourself?”
To make myself a victim of steve?
“Steven, you’ll have to tell me what the underlying principal of professional wrestling is. That’s something I avoid.”
Must not have any pre-teens or teens at your house anymore. The principle basically is:
People love conflict, even if they’re fairly sure it is fake; they will continue watching it, even thought the story line is very predictable.
Am on anything resembling the right track? I have been cutting and pasting responses and provoking comments to a word document. I wish there was a more efficient way to search this blog.
Pure Guts.
Steven,”To make myself a victim of steve?”
A question:
Is the blogger who posts as “Steve” Liberal or conservative? Keep in mind, a few (2-3) posts attributed to “Steve” are bogus.
Steven, you’re right about “Victim”.
The red herring
“Am on anything resembling the right track?”
Yes. In fact, the key to the answer is in one of your posts.
Is steve (small letter) and Steve (cap. letter) the same person minus the bogus posts you mention?
I know for sure the original steve (small letter) had a pure conservative pedigree. He was on Cindy Duckett’s e-mail list. I am thinking the Cap. S. Steve is a conservative, too.
Victim and Red Herring. So, I am assuming from this that this would not be what some folk were accusing Mirecki of doing – “beating himself up” – Right? or wrong? Back to slogging through these posts.
Forget about small s steve. And nothing to do with Duckett or Mirecki. (Man, you’re through!)
“Steve” did indeed attack himself.
“I am thinking the Cap. S. Steve is a conservative, too.”
What if he’s not?
This is a guess based on the last post. Are we talking about anonymous? The Steve and Anonymous addresses are the same, their love of PL, Galahad, etc. is the same; I thought of anonymous as being more on the liberal side?
Well?
Steven, I’m not real sure what to make of Anonymous. He may be a pseudo, but he’s not Steve. He argues, but I’ve noticed he’s not much for attack unless provoked. Doesn’t seem to fit the troll mold, do you think?
Steve (troll or ‘bot) only ridicules people. In his current incarnation, he doesn’t attack the Liberal view, just the poster. If Steve is a Lib, that would indicate an interesting motive, wouldn’t it?
XXX:This should be getting easier. But . . .
“Steven, you’re right about ‘Victim’.
The red herring” – this is diverting away from the fact that this person is a Lib. Correct?
“If Steve is a Lib, that would indicate an interesting motive, wouldn’t it?”
The motive is the key (always the hardest thing to figure out)?And there is a key in an earlier posting of mine?
Hmm . . . I am going to go fix supper and think about this.
GET A LIFE PEOPLE. have a beer and watch some football for pete’s sake.
I know what I’m thinking, but seems just a little too bizarre to be plausible, so I’d rather not say publicly. Drop me an e-mail if you like (yes, it’s a “junk” address, but it’s quite real, and I sporadically check it).
It’s obvious now: It’s HECKLER! (Yes, I’M JOKING!).
It’s okay, Heck, we’re not tracking down a serial killer. It’s an intellectual puzzle, ya know? Western civilization won’t be affected.
And FYI, I’m drinking wine today. But thanks for caring.
Man you guys are good. I can’t even have a little fun around here.
I mean
Man you guys are good. I can’t even have a little fun around here.
Steven,”The red herring” – this is diverting away from the fact that this person is a Lib. Correct?”
No, it diverts from who the individual is. That’s the red herring. He attacked himself. The individual is a Lib.
“The motive is the key (always the hardest thing to figure out)?”
It’s the hardest part to explain, too. In the current form, I believe “Steve” was created to accomplish a specific task (which didn’t work out, by the way). If I’m right, subsiquent use of the “Steve” identity has been cheap shots and nothing more.
“And there is a key in an earlier posting of mine?”
Yup. You hit it early on.
Rage,”I know what I’m thinking, but seems just a little too bizarre to be plausible, so I’d rather not say publicly.”
Bizarre, but would you say out of the question?Sometimes the answer is the obvious answer.
And unless we see the person on TV eating a baby, I’m hesitant to expose because it’ll start a war.
I have a email address that I just set up with hotmail that will work for this contest, i.e., WE_Blogmystery@hotmail.com. To recap:
1) a regular poster2) a Liberal3) a Lib prone to attack mode – that does leave out a few – Rules out (in my view): Rage, Me, flike, anonymous (usually), mrcontorversay, any others?Leaves in: Gal/PL, etc, CF, JR, any others?4) Attacks the person and not the message which signifies motive – which is the key.
I think it was Col. Mustard, in the Dining Hall – haha.
Did Ed’s stuff help in any way? I don’t think I heard on that.
For my Salary-trough job, I am not a cop, but I do get to see some of the less than good sides of human nature pretty often. So, I have some earlier suspicions that I discarded because I was wanting to hold at bay my cynical nature. I am starting to think that I was right at first. Which could still be wrong, because the only motives I see are those driven by the non-positives of people.
So, XXX, anything to add?
I got to leave for a bit, but will be back.
I think it is time to call a stalemate. I have my ideas. Would appreciate confirmation/disconfirmation at the new email -WE_Blogmystery@hotmail.com
Thanks. Enjoyed it. Was very interesting.
Rage, Steven,
Check your e-mail.
Sorry about that Hank.
I know I really should get a life, and stop worrying about your spelling abilities!
Dear Tracy,
Apology accepted, no offense taken. I’m sorry if my spelling and gramatical errors distracted you from the wisdom of my message!
Hank