Some optimists are hoping that Hamas will moderate its views now that it has to govern. But that’s not happening yet. Khaled Meshal, the exiled political leader of Hamas, said this weekend that Hamas would not “submit to pressure to recognize Israel, because the occupation is illegitimate and we will not abandon our rights,” The New York Times reported. And he insisted that “resistance is a legitimate right that we will practice and protect.”
Meanwhile, the Bush administration has already made up its mind. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday that the United State will no longer provide aid to the Palestinian government (but will provide some humanitarian aid). And she said Monday while in Europe (in photo) trying to convince Russian, European Union and United Nations officials to also cease their governmental aid, “You cannot be on one hand dedicated to peace and on the other dedicated to violence.”
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I noticed that with the demand that Hamas recognize Israel there was no similar demand that Israel recognize Palestine. There has also been no demand that Israel renounce violence, land theft, or other acts against the Palestinian people.
Perhaps the US would be better served by pushing for MUTUAL recognition of BOTH countries’ right to exist.
That, and cut off funds to both of them!
You bet- cut off funds to both. I am not an Isreal fan but the statement that Isreal’s existance is illegal, if my memory serves me correctly, back at the end of WWII because of the Palestinian’s being allies to Germay and it was an unconditional surrender, Briton pushed forming the State of Isreal. At that time the winners of the war were free to do anything they wanted to any of those countries allied to Germany.However I believe Isreal the cause of all our problems over there so I think we should withdraw all our for this uncompromising state.
These two states have been at war, along with their various allies, for almost 60 years. If they are unable to negotiate an acceptable good-faith peace in all that time, then maybe neither has a right to exist!
Not exactly Jed. Palestine has been under perpetual occupation. As the ruling country Israel has a bit of responsibility for the fate of its subjects.
Gee, maybe democracy INSIDE greater Israel would be an interesting experiment.
Ben,My own opinion is that the Palestinians should stop demanding their own state and start a non-violent US style civil rights movement to be included as equals within the state of Israel. They would end up a whole lot better off than they would with another balkanized middle-eastern state without enough resources to support it’s population.
You make a good point but the US and Israel will never allow democracy there.
You make a good point but the US and Israel will never allow democracy there.
Ironically, BOTH peoples would be better off with a single pluralistic state. Their economies are too interdependent.
The difference between Israel and Palestine:
Israel has the capacity to wipe Palestine off the face of the map and they don’t.
Palestine doesn’t have the capacity to wipe Israel off the face of the map, but would if they did.
Ben,The beauty of a non-violent movement is that it doesn’t need the approval of the US or Israel. If either oppose it through force, they will destroy themselves in the eyes of the world, and they know it!I was around when George Wallace, as governor of Alabama, called for “segregation forever!” A lot of people favored segregation. All it took was images of Bull Connor turning attack dogs and fire hoses on peaceful demonstrators, and public opinion began to turn!One of the best things you could do for the Palestinian cause would be to institute a program to trade video cameras for weapons. Lots more power in images than bullets and bombs! Given enough cameras, no amount of opression could supress all the images, but would provide more images of opression.
Jed,
You should preach your “non-violent” approach to the hundreds of Palestinian, unarmed children who have been gunned down by zionist snipers. Many of the Palestinian dead were also Christian but that fact always seems to be lost on the Bush loving evangelical crowd!
V.L.R.B!!
Sounds like they are almost as bad as “SSPX Catholics”!
BH,
Congratulations, you have become an apologist for the zionists.
Sanhedrin…wasn’t that the name of the fake pain reliever the late Bill Bixby was pushing in “The Kentucky Fried Movie”?
Not really ian. Try again!
Ian,What on earth posesses you to try to converse with decent people! You act like my kids did when they were two years old. Fortunately, they grew out of it. Unfortunately, you won’t! Go away.
Jed, you can huff and puff and try and prove your “moral superiority” all you want but I am not going anywhere!
Genocide Advocated by the Talmud
Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog (”Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed”).
This passage is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, “Gentile,” (p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, “…in the various versions the reading has been altered, ‘The best among the Egyptians’ being generally substituted.” In the Soncino version: “the best of the heathens” (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are “dogs” is derived “from the Talmud.” (CBS 60 Minutes, “Kahane”).
University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein’s philosophy: “They believe it’s God’s will that they commit violence against goyim, a Hebrew term for non-Jews.” (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, “We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing.” (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being
What this proves is simple: All three of the Abrahamaic religions have their “Osamas”. I have said this all along. In Christianity they caused the genocide in North America and the Crusades; in Islam we have seen many examples; and in Judaism I think the best example is the Book of Joshua. Ian has provided other good examples carrying it to today.
I would like to take ALL of these ChristISTS, IslamISTS, and JewISTS and dump them on an island somewhere.
ian – “jews are cancer to White christian Civilisation!”
“Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human”
Sound very similar.
We only need 4 bombs!
One for Hamas led palestine!
One for Iraq!
A big one for Iran!
Lets not forget North Korea!
And can anyone find Osama Bin Laden?
There that should fix things for a while! It’s almost a perfect world now!
Ian,Your non-stop tantrum is founded on two absurd delusions: 1, that there is such a thing as a “Master Race,” and 2, that if there was, they’d let you in!
Jed,
My Great Uncle Javier was a 6 ft 5 inch, blonde, blue eyed Spaniard who served with distinction as an officer in the Waffen SS Europa Division during the struggle against judeo-bolshevism! I also have ancestors who served with Cortez and Pizzaro others who fought in the crusades and helped to retake Spain from the filthy moors. All in all, I come from very good gentic stock.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!