Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., went over-the-top in her speech Monday at a Martin Luther King Jr. Day event at Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem. Among other statements, she said: The House “has been run like a plantation, and you know what I’m talking about. It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard.” The House is akin to the brutality and inhumanity of slaveholders? No contrary views are heard? Please. The Bush administration and the GOP Congress are easy targets for criticism without having to exaggerate or make improper historical analogies (which can minimize the original horrors). The same goes for those who compare Bush and others (including the Clintons) to Hitler.
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Lets see, Hilary has been involved in: The cattle-trading windfall, the Travel Office firings, the retainer from the Madison Bank, the disappearance of the Rose Law Firm billing records, falsely telling the grand jury that she did not work on the Castle Grande real-estate deal, the FBI file scandal, the pardons her brothers were paid to secure — and now the Hollywood fundraiser.
Kinda like the kettle calling the kettle black, dontcha think?
Opps, I forgot: It’s politics. How stupid of me.
The Dems say Bush is stupid. He is light years ahead of Hill. What an insufferable…
Oh, please, Phillip. You shouldn’t knock Hillary for that analogy. Yes, if you want to stretch it, go ahead, but her point is valid: The current administration considers the House of Representatives as its own labor force to get the dirty work done for the most corrupt, closed administration in history. She’s right. The Bush administration will not allow criticism AT ALL, and will attack anyone who dares to disagree. It’s happened time after time after time.
She is running for president, and will say/do anything to get her name in front of the voters. Free publicity for a politician is almost as good as free money… party notwithstanding, politicians running for office will say/do anything.
Course, the truly sad part is when they keep lying after being elected. Bush and Iraq, Clinton and “I did not have sex…”, Nixon and “I am not a crook”…sad.
Emily,Granted, this administration goes to extremes to squelch dissidents, but all administrations, regardless of political affiliation, do the same thing. It goes with the Washington version of the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.
The Clinton administration did the same thing. Remember the Henry Cisneros debacle? There was some mighty powerful dealings going on to squelch that. Peoples names removed from court documents, et al.
No one is saying that this admin is not closed, but thats par for the course in Washington.
This is laughable. Hillary makes the statement about republicans and the whitehouse and it’s a bad thing.
Philip, where were you when plantation was used to describe Democrats by Rush Limbaugh and the Wall street Journal to name two.
As usual, why is it wrong to say something against this administration, but it’s always alright if it’s directed towards Democrats?
Sum1,
Absolutely. Google the phrase ‘liberal plantation’ that Joe Williams and others like to throw around and watch the hundreds of hits come up. IOKIYAR.
It’s worth noting that when Hilary said the phrase that makes strong conservatives whine like twelve-year old girls, the 2,000 black folks in attendance roared their approval.
Joe Blow,
I’ve been waiting patiently on the other thread for you to back up your big talk, and now I find you hiding out in here. Here’s some unsolicited advice: don’t let your mouth write a check your butt can’t cash.
“sigh” I never said anything about plantation. You can’t trust a leftist liberal for anything.
Everybody knows that Democrats have a very poor record of civil rights, race relations, and using race rhetoric.
All you have to do is ask a question to a leftist and you will know their true thoughts about minorities in this nation, although they spin and disguise it quite well by saying they care, but they don’t.
All you have to do is ask; What do you think about Condoleezza Rice, Michael Steele, Colin Powell, and Clarence Thomas?
For instance, that liberal Democrat Martin Luther King and his toady Democratic President JFK who put the Nat’l Guard and Federal Marshalls at Old Miss when James Meredith enrolled.
Then there was Johnson passing the Voting Rights Act of 1965 saying “for really it’s not just negroes, but it’s all of us who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and racism. And we shall overcome.”
What a pathetic track record that was . . .
Trumad! Read Richard Reevees Bigraphy book on JFK, and then come back and tell me he wasn’t racist.
It was Eisenhower who started the National Gaurd protection for black people to intergrate into schools. You also have to remember that the South was overwhelming Democrat along with the governors making decisions to keep black people out of intergrated schools and keeping everything seperated.
Also! Johnson didn’t pass the Voting Rights Act, it was Congress. Johnson merily signed it. And if it weren’t for the overwhelming voted of the Republicans in Congress, the bill wouldn’t have passes. It was the Republicans that passed it. If it weren’t for the pressure of Republicans, none of the great strides of progress in civil rights would have been passed. Right down to even emanipating the Slaves.
The same reason why it took a Republican President and a Republican controlled House and Senate to pass womens suffrage. Again! Wouldn’t be passed if it were Democracts.
Leftist Democrats are inheritly racist people. Look at Robert KKK Byrd. The old south is still alive with him. I don’t trust leftist to save my life. They are all around bad, angry, andmalicious people.
Look at the leftist that post on this blog. They act like they have never had a good day in their lives. They don’t know what it means to smile and laugh. Just angry people. Of course! It’s Bush’s fault! I forgot.
Of course, you’re right, Joe. Nixon . . . now THERE was a fun guy. Cheney . . . like a barrel of monkeys just being in the same country with THAT madman! Rumsfeld . . . GET OUT, you crazy cat, you!
Not to mention all the right-wing blowhards, Rush, Bill, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Micheal Malkin . . . those crazy kids never have a bad word for anybody–nothing but sweetness and light.
Joe, go Cheney yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Participation_in_the_Ku_Klux_Klan
…and then there is the Alito comments by Ted Kennedy, the card carrying Haaaaahhvad Boys Club memba (in my worst Ted Kennedy drunken stooper voice).
…and then there is the Gore rant about ‘illegal’ wiretapping, when Clinton/Gore did the same thing.
I can hear the response, “But the Republicans are in power.” No, they are not. WE are in power, so register, read, objectively analyze (facts, figures and perspectives), debate and VOTE the best person (not the party).
ID–
Clinton/Gore DID NOT do the same thing. Investigators went into Aldrich Ames’s house without a warrant BEFORE IT WAS ILLEGAL TO DO SO.
In 1995, Clinton signed a law require physical searches to comply with the FISA electronic searches.
But I don’t blame you for not knowing this. The right-spin echo chamber is saturating the media with the “Clinton did it too” lie.
And as the Swift Boaters taught us so well, the truth doesn’t stand a chance against a well-orchestrated lie.
Yeah, right, Trumad. Guess your “Hate is not a family value” bumper sticker fell off.
Even while it was assuring a nervous Congress that it had no plans to increase the number of wiretaps it executes every year, the Administrative Office of the United States Courts records show that federal electronic intercepts have increased 30-40 percent since Clinton took office, and no federal magistrate has turned down a federal request for an intercept order since 1988. What’s more, “…the FBI published a stealthily phrased notice in the Federal Register signaling, in effect, that the federal government wants to require the nation’s phone companies to radically alter their critical electronic equipment to enable the Bureau to eavesdrop on one out of every one-hundred telephone conversations occurring at any given time in the nation’s largest cities and other, undefined prime target areas.” The FBI also wants authority for “emergency wiretaps” that would not require a court order and would be good for 48 hours and an easing of federal guidelines restricting how wiretaps are used. (Op-ed published in the Los Angeles Daily Journal entitled, “Congress plans National Wiretap Week” by Laura W. Murphy, Director, ACLU National Office 3/96).
Joe Williams,
Having plowed through the archived posts back to June of 2005, I can’t find you using the phrase ‘liberal plantation.’ I retract my assertion.
I recall spending a lot of time debunking your factually correct but intellectually dishonest revision of the last fifty years of civil rights history. I don’t have the time to do so again.
However, I did find the following posts, which, coupled with the post above, show that you ascribe to something like the idea of the Democratic Party keeping black folks on a ‘liberal plantation’, in principle if not in name:
Thread: Bush’s New Deal
What makes you think that slum lords contribute to Republicans. When the dominate party in poor district that have slums are Democrats. Do you think a slum lord would waste his money on a party that will not get into office? Nah! They would put there money for the winning team. You know? It’s been the Democrats motto to keep people poor.Posted by: Joe Williams | September 19, 2005 at 01:18 PM
Thread: Poverty forced into our living rooms (9/8/05)
Actually poverty in American is perpetuated by liberal and leftist policies that are fashioned by the Democrats in the political system.It is no coinencidence that the most poverty striken areas have been and are controlled by corrupt liberal politicans. New Orleans, Detroit, Memphis, D.C., you name it.The liberals need to drop the Communisit Manifesto and look towards more productive policies that can reverse the growing poverty in these cities.Posted by: Joe Williams | September 08, 2005 at 04:45 PM
Thread: It’s only looting if you’re black (9/2/5)
I don’t think it has anything to do with race, but has to do with culture.Also! New Orleans is a very liberal and corrupt city, and that plays a big part on those who are attracted and stay in that area. It’s a big welfare city and very poor as far as income goes.I was watching the news and they said that many people who stayed behind in New Orleans, even though they were warned and encouraged to evacute, is because many of them wanted to get their Welfare Check, which comes during the time, before they leave. Too Late.Posted by: Joe Williams | September 03, 2005 at 08:43 AM
Thread: “As if this country weren’t divided enough already.” (7/1/05)
Janice Rogers BrownThat is who needs to replace O’Conner. It will be fun to see how the Democrats handle a black woman.Posted by: Joe Williams | July 02, 2005 at 09:14 AM
Trumad,If you knew your history, you would know that Nixon was responsible for more colleges allowing different races to integrate than any other president to date. While he had his problems, such as lying to congree (tell me what president didn’t) it was Nixon that got OSHA started.
No he wasn’t a “fun” guy, but he knew better what was good for the American people than Johnson. And, he got us out of Viet Nam, something Johnson expaned. Give credit where credit is due.
Okay, bottom line: Clinton did it too. Not on the scale Bush is doing it, but it was done during his administration anyway: http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm
JM, I was responding to JoeW’s claim that liberals are always having a bad day.
But it’s nice to know that Republicans weren’t always as bad as they are now.
Thanks for that . . .
ID–
And your point is?
Bush broke the law. Clinton didn’t.
Next . . .
Trumad,You’re welcome:-)
CF: I have a job…I don’t hang out on this blog all day like, well, you, apparently.However your obsession with me is noted.Peace.
Joe Blow,
Indeed. Combing back through the WEBlog archives to last June, your frequent pattern of talking big and running away became apparent. You’re a windbag and, more to the point, a big waste of my time.
When you wish me ‘peace’ it reminds me of when I was a kid watching a fight where one guy was kicking another guy’s ass, and the kickee shrieked “Dude, it’s cool!” “Dude, it’s cool!” to the kicker.
So, I’ve kicked your ass repeatedly. That seems to be what you’re conceding. I really could care less about you personally, Joe Blow. I like a good fight, and you should stop stepping up to the plate and pretending you’re up to providing me, or anybody, with one.
AND CF destroys joesblow again.
I’ve a different take on Hillary Clintons plantation remarks.
I think there is a reason why blacks vote overwhelmngly Democrat. They have plantations as a solid part of their past. They get it. They’ve lived it.
How overwhelmingly white Americans, particularly men, do not get it. They do their jobs and buy the lie that they actually have a chance.
The south won! AMERICA is a PLANTATION society! Am I wrong? You go tell your boss what you REALLY think of him! Think about it!
Who opposes increases in mnimum wage and labor rights? Why Republicans do! Now why do they do that? Well because the boss is always RIGHT! The government has no place mucking up what master thinks best for his slaves!
The same is true for government. Those who have the money make the rules. I think the years since Republicans took over the House and Senate and the erosionof worker rights and the destruction of the middle class since then are pretty illustrative of this. The Abramoff scandal and the increasing power grab by bush are yet more examples.
Big problem for you folks on the plantation side of thinking in the GOP. Alot of us are starting to say “NO”NO you are not my master! No I will NOT do what you say. No I will not live and die at your whim.
And if such rebellion comes at price and pain, then how sweeter the victory when the “master” is deposed, and the rules are changed, and the people are finally truly free.
CF,
Plenty of other conservatives use the “liberal plantation” though, don’t they?
Enjoy.
Cal Thomas – “Michael Steele should be elected to the United States Senate from Maryland, not only because he is qualified, but because he would provide a sharp contrast to the Democratic Party and its plantation mentality.” http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/calthomas/2005/...
Sher Zieve – “Black Americans who have left the Democrat plantation are no longer “black” according to Democrats.”http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_2121131...
Andrew Sullivan – ” In fact, it’s hard to under-estimate how much some on the left despise the idea of gay men and women leaving the Democratic plantation.”http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archiv...
Wall Street Jouranal – “Democrats are rubbing their eyes in disbelief not just at President Bush’s success across America, but also about the fact that a major group they thought would stay on the liberal plantation forever is making a getaway.”http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id...
To all you republicans: You can’t argue with a liberal. It’s impossible. They are completely irrational people. Most of them will yammer off a bunch of words but will never SAY anything meaningful. My word of adivce…just ignore them, laugh it off. There is no sense in arguing with stupidity.
That’s a great idea, Rache.
All the conservatives should just stop posting . . .
May already have Proudlib, because of CF, ED and others. It’s not worth our time.
What a damn shame . . . don’t let the door hit you on the way out as you walk away, humiliated by your own ignorance.
Actually, the humiliation should be on the liberals faces. What I read here is bash bash bash. Nothing constructive. Where are the great liberal ideas? Impeach Bush? Then what? So what? You can all jump for joy, yammer about how the great liberal machine dumped a moron. But wait! You got Cheney. Now there’s a better guy. Boy, he’ll straighten things out. Right. Think Bush is bad? Do you really want Cheney as President?
If I were a Liberal, I would be thinking about who I would run to stop the lunacy in Washington. But you people are too busy telling us all just how bad everything is. Stop and think about how to fix it? Why, that would take time away from bashing Bush, and we can’t have that, now, can we?