Reassuring Europe about CIA ‘black sites’ no small job

Americans have mostly shrugged off recent allegations that the CIA is interrogating terror suspects in secret prisons in Eastern Europe and elsewhere. Not so the Europeans, whose demand for answers is part of why Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is meeting Tuesday with new German Prime Minister Angela Merkel. Europeans aren’t just upset at the existence of the prisons in retooled Soviet-era facilities and their reported interrogation techniques. They’re upset about the use of their airspace at all, including for what Spiegel Online counted as 437 flights since 2001. Rice can’t say much about any of it, other than to stress, as she did Monday, that the United States doesn’t transport suspects “for the purpose of interrogation using torture.” But Rice’s diplomatic skills will be tested on this trip, which underscores how the Bush White House’s credibility on prewar intelligence now goes to its credibility on many other international issues.
Posted by Rhonda Holman

18 Comments

  1. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    And we wonder why America’s morality is in the toilet?

    Is there no end to these people?

    Costly Withdrawal Is the Price To Be Paid for a Foolish WarBy Martin van Creveld

    Martin van Creveld:

    “For misleading the American people, and launching the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 B.C sent his legions into Germany and lost them, Bush deserves to be impeached and, once he has been removed from office, put on trial along with the rest of the president’s men. If convicted, they’ll have plenty of time to mull over their sins.”

    Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University, is author of “Transformation of War” (Free Press, 1991). He is the only non-American author on the U.S. Army’s required reading list for officers.

    http://www.forward.com/articles/6936

  2. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    NO MORE LIES. It’s go to jail time.

  3. Posted December 5, 2005 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Re-using old Soviet prisons . . . the irony, the irony.

  4. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    We hanged Nazis for lesser crimes.

  5. Posted December 5, 2005 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    And unlike the American media (ahem, Rhonda et al.) the Europeans haven’t caved to power like ours has.

    It’ll be interesting how the lies play over there.

    Watch for the reports in the BBC and the Independent, because you’ll never see them here.

  6. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Condoleezza Rice and her diplomatic skills need to be tested in an Iraqi jail.

  7. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Galahad

    You’re right, and here comes the first of the BBC

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4498172.stm

  8. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    UK…Independent on Rice

    http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article331164.ece

  9. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    BBC, Asks: Inevitably, Ms Rice will be asked how can democracies allow people to disappear and then lecture the rest of the world on human rights.

  10. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    We need a whistleblower.

    Condoleezza Rice knows all about AIPAC bribes, PNCA, The Israeli connection, The neoconsevative’s real goals, which members of congress have been bought-off, Cheney’s double-dealings on oil, and everything else the Bush Administrationhas been lying about.

    It time for her to step-up and be a real American and tell it all.

    Or a Grand Jury to pry it out of her. The sooner the better.

  11. Damoon
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Why not just torture it out of her?

  12. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    I don’t do torture.

  13. J M Walker
    Posted December 5, 2005 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Ed,”I don’t do torture.”

    Really? Have you ever read your own posts? (man, you had to know that was coming.)

  14. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    Walker, Honestly done with good humor. Refreshing.

  15. Posted December 6, 2005 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    Think maybe Dubbya and Condy have something on the side. lol A little levity in the blogs please.

  16. Sum1
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Canada press has a few articles on a plane that was sent there. After you read the article there are several links below including a pic of one of the planes.

    Over the weekend EU stated they knew the registration number to some 30 or so different planes that are transporting prisoners.

    Maybe a person can argue about enemy combatants, but kidnapping citizens of another country, off their own streets can’t be in that argument.

    http://www.ltvnews.com/viewarticle.php?id=4160

  17. Jed
    Posted December 6, 2005 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    The only way we’ll ever get our national credibility back is to turn Bush and his bloody crew over to The Hague for a war crimes trial.

  18. Jed
    Posted December 11, 2005 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Justa,Would that they were! Then they’d just spend their time torturing each other instead of everybody else.