Balancing security and civil liberties

I would have preferred greater restrictions on certain USA Patriot Act provisions. But the compromise plan worked out Thursday at least is a move in the right direction.
The plan would put new restrictions on the surveillance of library and business records and the use of roving wiretaps. It also would sunset these provisions in four years rather than 10 years, as the House bill authorized.
“There’s no doubt about the need for tools for law enforcement to fight terrorism, both domestically and internationally,” said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Penn. “But equally clearly, there’s been a need for refinement of the protection of civil liberties and civil rights.”
That’s a tricky balance.
Posted by Phillip Brownlee

18 Comments

  1. writerdog
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    Every time I heard or see the Patriot act brought up. I can not help but think of those words of Franklin’s: Those willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security. Deserve neither freedom nor security.

    What is the point of fighting against someone bent on destroying this country. If we ourselves destroy the freedoms that have made this country a shining light within the world?

    The terrorists win is my thinking.

  2. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 4:47 am | Permalink

    The phony “war on terrorism” needs a phony “patriot act.” Security is found in neither. They wouldn’t have need to name the patriot act as being patriotic if it were, all that to protect us from the phony “war on terrorism?”

    When the “act” of either needs to be justified by its name, you can be assured it’s a phony. High-minded named are reserved from the undeserving, as the trick is in the toolbox of the trickster.

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran, has triggered an international outcry by saying that Israel should be relocated to Europe. FULL STORY

    Would that solve this continuos problem? Or simply restart the problem in Europe?

  3. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    The only “tool” we need to fight this nonsensical “war” is to end it by making peace with the Arabs. That’s easy. That’s simple. That’s the answer. That’s not what Israel wants. That’s the problem.

    Is talk about solving this “problem” by making peace that farfetched?

    The world needs it. The Arabs would wecome it. Our soldiers would stop dying. And America could busy herself solving ever mounting problems right here at home.

    And if Israel doesn’t like it, well then that’s just too bad.

  4. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    It’s time to think “outside the box.” There are certainly no answers “inside the box.”

    As for the “phony war on terrorism” well, that’s goes away when we get smart enough to just let it go away.

    And if Israel doesn’t like it, well then that’s just too bad.

    I’m fed-up with this phony crazyness, how about you?

  5. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    And who keeps stirring-up trouble?

    Israel shuts crucial West Bank crossing

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F61CDCA7-46AB-4EAD-8202-96F62F5B6F39.htmThis is why the “phony war on terrorism” needs a “phony Patriot Act.” You can’t make peace by stirring-up trouble.

  6. james
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Why don’t we just call this Ed Friedmann’s Blog ?

  7. Jed
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Ed, Dog,You just don’t get it!Our fearless leader has told us that the terrorists hate us for our freedom; this is what the Patriot Act addresses so effectively. By the time Patriot Acts V and VI are passed, the terrorists will have no futher need to attack us, and we’ll be safe in the arms of our new Fuhrer!

  8. XXX
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Fear of terrorism has caused our leaders to take away the rights and freedoms that make us American.

    Looks like the terrorists are winning.

  9. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    The last time Israel made nuclear threats against Iran, the price of crude oil hit 70 dollars and gasoline went to 3 dollars a gallon. That has effectively thrown 600,000 Americans out of work, closing GM and Ford Plants.

    People behind the scenes “on the know guys” evaluate these threats, and you can judge by the movement of crude oil prices. Well, check-out crude-oil and see for yourselves. You can see clearly on these charts when Israelis made their last threat, and now this new one.

    http://www.wtrg.com/daily/crudeoilprice.html#Crude

  10. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Israelis may be buying-up oil futures, then making a threat, then selling off. I see profit taking from 70 dollars down to 63 dollars in just hours.

    If we had a “President,” he could stop all of the “Phony war on terrorism” junk, which is the root cause of American job loss, and American and Iraqi deaths.

    http://www.wtrg.com/daily/crudeoilprice.html#Crude

  11. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    And you still call “defenders” by the Israeli name “terrorists”

    Gimmie a break…..

  12. XXX
    Posted December 9, 2005 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    I’d say Ed is on a roll…..again.

  13. writerdog
    Posted December 10, 2005 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Ed you are either a voice in the wilderness or someone that really hates Israel. Either way I still enjoy the posts.

  14. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 10, 2005 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Writerdog

    I don’t hate Israel, I hate what they’re doing to the Palestinians and our America. We don’t need this “phony war on terrorism” and the damaging “so-called Phony Patriot Act.”

    This “phony war on terrorism” has given us nothing except grief. Unneeded grief and unwanted hardship.

    We need to make friends with the Arabs and make things “right by what we’ve done to them.

    We need a “president” that can think passed the end his nose, and put a stop to all this nonsense.

    What we’re doing is unAmerican.

    We need to make peace with the Arabs.

  15. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 10, 2005 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Bush has to try to sell us this “phony war on terrorism”

    It won’t stand on its own.

    Bush lied to make it happen for Israel.

    Bush lies to keep it going for Israel.

    Bush is surrounded by “Israel-Firsters” in the White House and they have no right to be there. This is our America, not theirs to destroy.

    They need to hit the street along with all those “sold-out” in congress.

    There’s your “war on terrorism.”

    There’s saving America.

  16. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 10, 2005 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    The “Root Cause of So-called terrorism” and the “phony war on terrorism.”

    This from Arab News:

    “Meanwhile, a group of Palestinians has brought a class action lawsuit against the former head of Israel’s internal security service over an airstrike in Gaza that killed 15 civilians, eight of them children.

    The lawsuit, which was filed Thursday at a New York court, names former Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter for his part in the air raid in July 2002 which saw the Israeli Air Force dropping a one-ton bomb on a densely populated neighborhood.”

    The Palestinians have tried the “Israeli Justice System” and it’s little more than a joke.

    http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=74472&d=10&m=12&y=2005

  17. Posted December 10, 2005 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    In response to critics of his unconstitutional “Patriot Act,” Bush calls the constitution “nothing but a g-damned piece of paper.”

    http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

    President Cuckoo-Bananas has finally cracked up.

    May heaven help us all . . .

  18. Ed Friedemann
    Posted December 16, 2005 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    thanks