You write:

You haven’t answered any question I’ve asked you, you just dance around trying to invalidate everything I say.

You are very dense. Do you even read my posts before you go off?

This is from a previous post in which I answered three of your questions. Again I will repeat your questions with my answers!:

“Esod, don’t you think that the politcal and cultural climate in China is due largely to the overpopulation problem?”

Dammit girl! NO!! The Chinese culture dates back to almost 4,000 years! It’s the Communist Chinese government’s inability to deal with the population, not the population. The communist Chinese government is doing a lot of terrible things to control its population, none of which you can blame on God’s wrath, the earth or mother nature!

You then ask:

“If the chinese people value life so much, then why would they choose to abort, drown, or abandon their female babies?”

It’s a cultural thing! Many cultures and countries devalue their women. The Chinese that I know love their children! But their culture is one that reveres their ancestors. In order to continue the family name you must have a male child. If the government only allows on child, guess what?

You then ask:

“So what if they don’t have a big Aids problem compared to Africa?”

So What? Dammit girl! My question goes to the heart of your false premise that over population is reason for the aids epidemic in Africa! It’s your premise! Defend it!

Would Hank really put up with your erroneous crap? I think not! You my dear are either dense or just a liar. I did answer your questions and I am now done with you unless you answer mine.

It looks as though my “assumptions” about you were right!

You haven’t answered any question I’ve asked you, you just dance around trying to invalidate everything I say.

You REALLY don’t get it, do you?

I’m getting really bored with this one way discussion. Bye, Hank!

I repeat, Bullshit. You brought God into this discussion first. You wrote:

“So what do you believe? That all catastophic events happen as a direct result of God’s anger and to punish man for his sinfulness? If that’s what you honestly believe, then I doubt you are open to listening to another point of view, so I’m obviously wasting my time. Have a nice Thanksgiving, esod.

Posted by: Damoon | November 24, 2005 at 10:27 AM”

You asked a rhetorical question and then answered it based on you own liberal biases toward any conservative that disagrees with you.

Dearest Damoon, you can write to me as condescendingly as you want, the problem in not me being unable to understand what you mean, it’s your inability to explain how over population has any thing to do with a behavoir driven disease.

Nothing you have written supports your premise that overpopulation in sub-Saharan Africa has anything to do with the spread of aids! Nothing!

Because you don’t beleive in God you must substitute a bunch of metaphores: nature, mother nature, earth, etc. But its none of these things. Culture and politics!

What, pray tell gentle lady, question of yours have I avoided?

The epidemic has nothing to do with God, Mother Nature, Mythology, are any other non-real world reason. It is a virus that has evolved. For you who don’t understand what evolved means, look it up in a non-religious dictionary.

The common flu bug evolves and/or mutates every year. Why? Because it can.

You posted again while I was posting. Sorry.

In your last post, you again ignor your original premise that over population is to blame.

Then you again bring God into it. Why do liberals always seem to ty and make conservatives defend their religion? Even when it the liberal that can’t seem to make a point without introducing God into the discussion?

I repeat:

As far as God’s punishment goes, I have never blamed God for man’s problems. It’s not His punishment I fear, it’s His ultimate judgement I fear.

You posted to me while I was posting to you! You asked:

“Esod, don’t you think that the politcal and cultural climate in China is due largely to the overpopulation problem?”

Dammit girl! NO!! The Chinese culture dates back to almost 4,000 years! It’s the Communist Chinese government’s inability to deal with the population, not the population. The communist Chinese government is doing a lot of terrible things to control its population, none of which you can blame on God’s wrath, the earth or mother nature!

You then ask:

“If the chinese people value life so much, then why would they choose to abort, drown, or abandon their female babies?”

It’s a cultural thing! Many cultures and countries devalue their women. The Chinese that I know love their children! But their culture is one that reveres their ancestors. In order to continue the family name you must have a male child. If the government only allows on child, guess what?

You then ask:

“So what if they don’t have a big Aids problem compared to Africa?”

So What? Dammit girl! My question goes to the heart of your false premise that over population is reason for the aids epidemic in Africa! It’s your premise! Defend it!

You then say:

“Nature works in many ways to keep the human population in check.”

BULLSHIT! Don’t blame our problems on poor old mother nature!

Again I ask:

If overpopulation is the reason that aids is such a problem in sub-Saharan Africa, why isn’t it a big problem in China? If aids is a big problem in San Francisco, why isn’t it a big problem in Hong Kong?

I’ve made an effort to answer your various questions, even when I didn’t agree with their premise. Do you think you can formulate an answer without it being another question?

Jed’s post pretty much proves my point on the way liberals argue! By posting in a thread on aids/HIV, I’m now “hung up on HIV.” Of course, because I’m a conservative I’m the only one “hung up on HIV.” You’re not because you have the liberal view.

He then admonishes me about “(G)od’s punishment” although it was you that originally brought God into the discussion by assuming that I accepted aids as His rightous retribution for immoral behaviour.

Then to further prove my point about you being a liberal, like a good little cheer leader you immediately chime in with your ‘bumper sticker’ thanks!

I repeat to you:

If overpopulation is the reason that aids is such a problem in sub-Saharan Africa, why isn’t it a big problem in China? If aids is a big problem in San Francisco, why isn’t it a big problem in Hong Kong?

Focus, let’s stay on point!

This BLOG thread is on aids/HIV. I’m hung up on liberals that use the myth of over population as an excuse for all of the world’s problems. It is a lazy argument that ignores the real cause of the problems.

As far as God’s punishment goes, I have never blamed God for man’s problems. It’s not His punishment I fear, it’s His ultimate judgement I fear. Nothing in my posts ever bring God into the discussions, I only respond to the liberal BLOGers erroneous assumptions.

The key to the solution of any problem is to first define the problem. Aids is not a problem of over population. To approach the solution from that standpoint will only delay the ultimate solution.

I ask you:

If overpopulation is the reason that aids is such a problem in sub-Saharan Africa, why isn’t it a big problem in China? If aids is a big problem in San Francisco, why isn’t it a big problem in Hong Kong?

Good morning!

I call you a liberal, not to ‘ruffle your feathers’, but to merely explain why you have some of the views you support and to explain the way you argue your points. You use boilerplate liberal talking points. I don’t use the term liberal as a pejorative term, however, I’m amazed at how many people that are liberal don’t like the label! I’m a conservative. I think. I am a fiscal conservative and a social conservative. Unashamedly so! I am a registered republican, but I will support a conservative democrat over a moderate republican.

The average nitwit on responding on this BLOG is extreme left. Looney left. They parrot the DNC talking points and are beyond reasoning with. When I really read your posts, you pretty much agree with them! Reading your posts I can’t see that you don’t condone abortion. You don’t like abortion, but you support a woman’s ‘right to choose’. You are against pornography and for the death penalty, but are a registered democrat!

As far as aids is concerned, I repeat:

If overpopulation is the reason that aids is such a problem in sub-Saharan Africa, why isn’t it a big problem in China? If aids is a big problem in San Francisco, why isn’t it a big problem in Hong Kong?

Of course there is aids in China, but is it a big problem? No. The problems in China past and present you list are due to over population. In fact, none of the problems in China are a result of over population. They are political and cultural.

I disagree with you about the value of life in China. I’ve been there too. The Chinese are very respectful of life. Their government may not be, but the people are!

China has been hit with the Aids virus, it is a problem there, but not to the extent, YET, that it is in Africa. They have many other problems caused by overpopulation that threaten the people there. For example, the most polluted city in the world is in China. They lost approximately 100 MILLION people to genocide in the cultural revolution, they dump toxins in their rivers, they execute more people than any country in the world.When my son was in China, he was on a train with a friend from Europe. One of the locals stole his friend’s camera and of course he reported it to the security guards on the train. They found the man who stole his camera, and despite pleadings from both my son and his friend, they took him off the train and shot him in the head. That’s what they do in China.Maybe the aids virus hasn’t hit them as hard yet, but they have their share of death. Life has little value there, that’s what happens with overpoulation.The reason there is so much Aids in Africa is because of their sexual practices (if you want me to get grafic, just ask), but not necessarily prostitution. It is a heterosexual disease there and many children are born affected.Like I said before, many diseases are a result of certain behavior, and Aids doesn’t kill as many people in the USA as heart disease and cancer.Mother Nature has many ways to try and keep us humans in check, just think about how crowded the earth would be if there were no wars, disease, or natural and man made disasters. It’s what we risk to live here for a short while.

I don’t have a problem with liberals. I have a problem with the way most liberals defend their views. Although I don’t consider you arrogant and rude, you do have a few liberal misconceptions when you respond to my posts. As an example in an previous post you ask:

“So what do you believe?”

Then based on your erroneous assumptions, you answer for me (a little arrogant maybe!):

“That all catastophic events happen as a direct result of God’s anger and to punish man for his sinfulness?”

Then based on your assumptions and nothing in my previous posts in this thread you write:

“If that’s what you honestly believe, then I doubt you are open to listening to another point of view, so I’m obviously wasting my time.”

Liberal claptrap. You assume my thoughts and argue against them.

Now then, if overpopulation is the reason that aids is such a problem in sub-Saharan Africa, why isn’t it a big problem in China? If aids is a big problem in San Francisco, why isn’t it a big problem in Hong Kong?

Furthermore, gentle lady, please don’t concern yourself with the nitwits on this BLOG that don’t respond to me. In case you haven’t noticed I respond to fewer of them!

You appear to be agreeing with me! Thanks! Of course you still have some erroneous assumptions about me that still color your debate but on the basic point we now agree. You’ve also muddied up the waters a little with a bunch of facts and figures that are off the point, but you still seem to now agree that aids is behavior driven. Behavior that is encouraged by the cultural and political climate of a particular country.

The basic point that you originally made was that overpopulation was the reason ‘mother nature’ was allowing aids to devastate sub-Saharan Africa.

My point was “bullshit” overpopulation has nothing to do with it. Culture and politics had more to do with the problem in Africa with aids than overpopulation. I gave China as an example.

In your last two posts you give a lot of facts and figures but you have abandoned the ‘overpopulation’ argument.

Now let’ talk about some of your erroneous assumptions. I’m not angry. I’ve never posted anything that would lead you to believe that I am angry. Or, does merely disagreeing with your liberal views mean I must therefore be angry? You ask, “Why are you focusing so much on aids?” I’m not! I’m merely responding to your original post, the premise of which you seem to now have abandoned.

I have responded to your last two posts because you have obviously broken out of your typical ‘bumper-sticker’ mode. You are to be congratulated for your attempt at real thought. Now if you can stick to the point and quit making erroneous assumptions about my character and belief system we can have some great discourse.

Again, thanks for agreeing with my opinion on the spread of aids!

Had a great Thanksgiving! Hope you and yours had a wonderful Thanksgiving and continue to be blessed this holiday!

You need to argue the point. Aids is not a world wide epidemic. Why? If one was to use your logic China should be suffering from some ‘mother nature’ population control. It isn’t.

Aids is a disease that is behavior driven. Promiscuity and drug abuse are the ways it spreads. You argue against my points by assuming that I am a right wing religious nut. Nothing in my posts would lead you to that conclusion other than I have a more conservative view than others on this BLOG. That or you are mislead by the liberal nitwits that read into my posts and argue against their preconcieved notions based on liberal biases.

If you can’t argue the point, construct a straw man and argue against it. Or pretent the person you are arguing against is someone else and argue against them!

Why isn’t aids a bigger problem in Hong Kong than San Francisco? This is an important question because in the answer lies the solution to stopping aids. The answer is just too painful for the liberals to contemplate!

Overpopulation has noting to do with aids. Politics and culture.