Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said on NBC’s "Meet the Press" Sunday that she hoped if special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald brings indictments in the CIA leak case, it would be for "a crime and not some perjury technicality where they couldn’t indict on the crime and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars." Funny, that’s not what she and other Republicans said during the Ken Starr investigation of President Clinton. Perjury is a serious crime, regardless of whether it’s committed by Republicans or Democrats.
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That depends on the definition of “is”….
Just kidding.
RhondaYou forget, Clinton did commit perjury. Under Oath and in front of the camera. Not just a technicality.A ‘perjury technicality’ is when there was no parjury.
Joe C,
No perjury here, eh? How about those sixteen words in the SOTU pertaining to yellowcake uranium in Niger? Those were a lie.
How about ‘mobile weapons labs’? Also a lie.
Finally, rather than fight about the current GOP spin that attempts to distinguish acceptuable lying from unacceptable lying, it’s simply the case that lying to a grand jury is lying, Joe C. Perjury is perjury. That’s true whether it’s Clinton, Judith Miller, Scooter Libby, or Dick Cheney who does it.
Why do Wingnuts hate the rule of law?
The difference is that we expect perjury from the republicans with every other word they say, so it’s no big deal. When a democrat commits it, it’s a real disappointment!
Martha Stewart went to jail for a fib, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison.
Based on that, they ought to hang your “boy.”
This is just another example of the republicans wanting to change the rules to protect their own. If any of those people were democrats she would want to hang them.
Martha Stewart needs to get on TV and tell Karl Rove, hey, I went to jail for next to nothing and you, Karl Rove, need to go to jail for just being a fat-ass-lying-pig that should be taught a much bigger lesson.
Clinton did not have enough sense to smoke the cigar …… with GW all you see is just a lot of smoke. You can’t prove anything!
You dumocrats seem to forget the first few words “The english intellegence says that”You are the liars. If you say it often enough it makes you dumb liars.As far as the WMD lie you keep lying about, Clinton and Gore and Kerry told the same one as well as all the intelligence services around the world.
“Dumocrats”That’s a good one, Joe C. Pretty well sums them up. All you “”Dumocrats” are running around like your pants are on fire wishing and hoping something comes of this trumped up crap. It aint gonna happen! Getting an inditement is one thing. Getting a conviction is a whole nother deal. We’ll give you a great show trial and while you’re slobbering all over yourselves, we’ll be carrying on business as usual.
Hmmmmm…..Let me get this straight joe. Although there was (is) absolutely no tangable evidence found to support the claim of WMDs the democrats, liberals, and all of the foreign intelligence services are all wrong? Let me guess, it will be revieled any day now. Bush is just waiting for the right moment.
At his impeachment trial.
Neocon should be a new definition and synonym for hypocrisy in every dictionary.
Ken Starr went after Clinton on a land deal, and ended up settling for perjury….pursing it all the way to articles of impeachment. And the right ate it up.
This administration, it is being proved, fronted and sold a PHONY WAR. The proof is coming that lieutenants at the highest levels pursued the presentation of deception even to the point of destroying the lives and careers of anyone who DARED to wave a red flag.
Ah but that’s nothing to folks like Joe C or B.A. In some way the corrupt bush administration has SERVED THEM maybe by tax cuts, or lowering regulations so that they can inflict misery on others with no consequences, or maybe simply because they are dumb mindless idealogues as their posts tend to suggest.
Ya know it took me a long time to get it. Now some posters have used the acronym IOKIFYAR (its ok if you’re a Republican) they had it pretty close to right. But more to the point is that these folks not only want to make the rules they want the rules to evolve around yes I did mean evolve (revolve is assumed) tthem and what they do. Perjury aint perjury if they do it.
I’m not assigningthis to all Republicans. Any Republican who cares about this nation and the rule of law is coming out against folks like Joe C and A.B…..or they are staying silent out of shame for what is being done in “their” name.
Hey maybe their heads finally poped out of their arses and they realized what is happening in this country. Wishful thinking most likely but we can hope.
Hey maybe their heads finally popped out of their arses and they realized what is happening in this country. Wishful thinking most likely but we can hope.
Face it guys, everybody thought there were weapons. Everybody. Including your mob in Congress. They voted for war, so if there’s blame, there’s plenty to go around. So lets not get our noses all up in the air. Democrats share the blame for this one…count the votes. And if there were no weapons, why did Saddam act like there was? If he’s nuts enough to try to be threatening without anything to back it up, all the more reason to take him out. Regardless, the world is better off with Hussein out of the picture. Problem with you libs is, you’re long on mouth and short on guts. That’s a big part of the reason you pansies don’t win elections.
BA,
The way I see it, we win either way. If Fitzgerald indicts, as I suspect he will, you’ll be in the inenviable position of defending a pack of treasonous felons. The electorate will take its revenge in the midterms.
If he doesn’t indict, your administration and congressional leadership is so obviously dishonest and corrupt, and the Iraq debacle is so obviously a pack of lies, that we still stand to gain in the election.
If we Democrats are pansies, you GOPer’s are crooks. And it’s the Republican Party that will allow no crook to go undefended.
That’s my meme for next year: GOP = party of crooks.
HA HA HA!
The NYT is reporting that Scooter Libby first learned Valerie Plame’s name from Dick Cheney. And that’s not what Libby testified to in his earlier testimony before the grand jury.
So, Joe C, B.A., and all the rest, I’m waiting for the latest version of your RepubliSPIN argument that this is just a ‘perjury technicality.’ It will be just the kind of phony, dishonest argument that only GOP dead-enders like you have the ‘guts’ to make.
Do you know what Bush & co. and B.A. have in common? The answer is when they speak, they do not speak for the Republican party.
Their words are without mert or truth. At least a truth that can be based on any reailty or facts.
Often when they say something it follows another party in it truth and guilding principals. That of Hitler’s Nazi party. “The truth is an inconvenient thing. Facts are for the sole use to support the truth as we see it”, to parpharse.
No they do not speak for the Republican party or America. They have little respect for either.
Obnoxious extremist religious conservatives with lots of guns.
Hmmmm…..Isn’t that who we’re still fighting in Afgan?
BTW, RD, how do you, a former law enforcement guy, like getting referred to as a “liberal?”
Reactionaries like BA are so radical, anyone who thinks (like you) is assumed “liberal.”
BA,Just to let you know, I’m not CF. I only post under my own name, but I forgive your mistake since that’s a concept you are totally unfamiliar with. Try it sometime- it would do wonders for your credibility!
This is what Kay-baby had to say when Clinton committed purjury:
” The principle of the rule of law–equality under the law and a clear standard for perjury and obstruction of justice– was the overriding issue in this impeachment,’ said Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, who also voted ‘guilty’ on both counts.” [she said this February 13th, 1999]
What she said Sunday does sound a little different, doesn’t it?
(God, I love this!)
B.A.–
You bring up a good point. You served in wartime. So did DEMOCRAT Al Gore, so did DEMOCRAT John Kerry, so did DEMOCRAT Wesley Clark.
Now let’s look at the Republican chicken-hawks who could have gone to Vietnam but ran and hid–
They WEREN’T soldiers once
GW Bush–Chickenhawk in ChiefDick Cheney–I Had Other PrioritiesTom DeLay–I supported the war, but not enough to actually fight in itTrent Lott–the only helmet he wore is made of polyester hairJohn Ashcroft–fighting “God’s War” against homosRush Limbaugh–not only avoided the draft, but lied about avoiding itNewt Gingerich–his personal contract with America included letting somebody else fight his fight over thereDan “Potatoe” Quayle–drew a line in the sand . . . against “Murphy Brown.”
Jane Fonda–love her or hate her, she actually WENT to Vietnam . . .
Galahad, everybody wasn’t fortunate enough to be able to serve in Vietnam (tongue in cheek). These threads are full of people who didn’t, yet still criticize administration officials who didn’t serve. Personally, I’d be much more comfortable with a combat vet in the whitehouse, but we’re running out of WWII vets, and if the choice is between somebody who served in the National Guard and a Boston liberal Vietnam vet, I’ll take Bush any day.
Except Bush DIDN’T serve in the Nat’l Guard. He could even finish out stint when all he had to do was flippin’ SHOW UP.
What a pitiful excuse for a leader. What a pitiful excuse for a human being.
Galahad, you’ve flipped out. Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard. You can lie all you want, but facts are facts. He did serve in TANG.
The Texas Air National Guard isn’t the National Guard? You’re losing it.
B.A.Don’t fret about the Al Jezera bunch. I can’t decide which of them are paid members of Al Qaeda and which are the useful idiots. The Al Qaeda troops are doing great. The idiots should be ashamed.
See, this is what I’m talking about.
You listen to Rush all day long, then you watch Fox at night, and you don’t get any facts that might challenge your myths.
Bush asked for a transfer to Alabama and the dude never showed up. He went FLIPPIN AWOL.
I know that you ditto-heads don’t believe anything if Rush doesn’t say it–but here’s the Washington Post among many others who’ve reported on it.
QUOTE–”Questions about Bush’s Guard service first surfaced during the 2000 presidential race, when he ran against Vice President Al Gore, a Vietnam veteran. A review of Bush’s military records shows that Bush enjoyed preferential treatment as the son of a then-congressman, when he walked into a Texas Guard unit in Houston two weeks before his 1968 graduation from Yale and was moved to the top of a long waiting list.
“It was an era when service in the Guard was a coveted assignment, often associated with efforts to avoid active duty in Vietnam. Bush was accepted for pilot training after having scored only 25 percent on the pilot’s aptitude test, the lowest acceptable grade.
“In 2000, the Boston Globe examined a period from May 1972 to May 1973 and found no record that Bush performed any Guard duties, either in Alabama or Houston, although he was still enlisted.”
But hang on to your fantasies. Bush is a g*ddamn war hero, just ask that other chickes*t, Rush.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7372-2004Feb2?language=printer
Got that right, Joe. I think it’s more like useful idiots. I can’t imagine Al Qaeda having any use for this pack of whiners. In ‘06, it’s going to be fun to watch the lot of them bust a gut. There will be “great whailing an gnashing of teeth” (read that somewhere, lol).
Hey ditto-heads:
Where you ignoramuses been?
“Questions about Bush’s Guard service first surfaced during the 2000 presidential race, when he ran against Vice President Al Gore, a Vietnam veteran. A review of Bush’s military records shows that Bush enjoyed preferential treatment as the son of a then-congressman, when he walked into a Texas Guard unit in Houston two weeks before his 1968 graduation from Yale and was moved to the top of a long waiting list.
“It was an era when service in the Guard was a coveted assignment, often associated with efforts to avoid active duty in Vietnam. Bush was accepted for pilot training after having scored only 25 percent on the pilot’s aptitude test, the lowest acceptable grade.
“In 2000, the Boston Globe examined a period from May 1972 to May 1973 and found no record that Bush performed any Guard duties, either in Alabama or Houston, although he was still enlisted.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7372-2004Feb2?language=printer
Oh, yeah, I forgot, if a drug-addicted draft dodger (Rush Limbaugh) doesn’t say it, it can’t be true . . .
Excuse me. since most of therecords were destroyed just how can anyone know if Bush truly served or not in the National guard.
The only facts that a person can get their hands on tell of how he started his service, not how he ended it.
You can’t say he served honorably, because you can’t know.
BA,There were no weapons. Wishes dont’ make that true. If they had belatedly found weapons people like me would always believe they were planted.
Pay attention to the Valerie Plame story. That has brought attention on how this administration made up their own evidence.
Galahad at least he left my wife, my kids, my mother and my dog alone. I have been called worst, I have been accused of worst. I did vote Democrat twice in the last twenty years.
Liberal, Conservative,Republican, Democrat, these titles have little importants to me. I am an American, it is America’s best interest I concern myself with.
B.A.I hate to say this (not really, but you seem to be a sensitive guy. It would be a shame to hurt your feelings) The Democrats have the best candidate they could ever have. YOU and those you would side with, anyone they put up could win by a landslide.
Even Hillary could beat any Neo-con, religious right, Bush wantabe.The American people are coming out of a long sleep. They are realizing that our ignoring what happens in Washington has cause this country to suffer, losing our rights, selling this country’s soul. The republican party could not be any more damaged. If they had put a new party plank in where the party said we should be eating the aborted babies.
You should speak for yourself, there are so few that sound like you left. A single voice in the darkness, scare and lashing out at your time fading. A simple minded arguement based solely on a party affiliation. Devoid of fact and reality.
Galahad is a Liberal, he thinks it, he believes it, he is unashamed of it. He makes no secret of his liberalism and is proud of it. But he is honest, what he speaks he truly believe what he says.
You sir do not, you use your words to just imflame without a real believe in those words. You come here and other boards to make people dance for your amasement. Like gunslingers shooting at a person’s feet. You are dis-honest in your intent.
And finally if you were not lying about your millitary experience. Thank you for your serve to our country.
Excellent post, RD.
Sorry about the quadruple posts–I kept getting an “error message” that told me I wasn’t posting.
Hmmm . . .
Quick observations: B.A. never did say which war that (s)he — just trying to be inclusive here, can’t tell the gender of the person — fought: combat war, or war like war on drugs. Another thing I noticed, can we trust this person with lethal weapon being quick to anger and often lack the capacity for critical or complex thinking? And back to the war issue, which side was (s)he on? After all, Saddam Hussein was our guy when Ayatollah Khomeini deposed Shah Pahlevi, our regent king of Iran. Also, in the WMD issue, one must hold the possibility that Saddam Hussein may have been bluffing in this Middle Eastern balance of power game.
Galahad,Bushllit’s National guard spin has always sounded a bit like that of another icon of the right-wing nutcases, “Tailgunner Joe” McCarthy of HUAC fame.He ran as a WWII combat veteran, had pictures of himself standing next to the tail of his famous bomber, and even got his pals at the Pentagon to change his war record to reflect his “heroism.” Unfortunately, they missed a copy that showed he was part of the ground crew, and never flew a single mission, as well as being drunk and AWOL on several occasions! So much for that myth!Bush attempted the same kind of switcheroo, but unfortunately lacked the finess of alcoholic “Tailgunner Joe.”
Isn’t it humorous how the right wing uses the same SOP? If they can’t get you to agree with them they start with the innuendos about being affiliated with Al Qaeda. When that doesn’t work they come straight out and call you un-American and a traitor. And how little do they really realize that they are the un-American traitors when they try to insult and intimidate others into being quiet. Dissent is very American.
Tech difficulties kept me away.
Thanks the info re: Joe Mc Carthy Jed. I need to see “Good night and Good Luck”, might shed some light on how to deal with the current situation.
Oh geez B. A. hasn’t changed nics? Gotta be a record.
We will get a sense of where this is going today. My guess is Fitzgerald is DEEP into exploring the depths of the most corrupt administration in history. The Plame thing is just the tip of the iceberg. The guy is know as apolitical and I think he is out to “out” the whole run up to the war.