The Plame affair flames on: White House spinmeisters are out in full force to redirect the press and public by trashing former Ambassador Joseph Wilson (hmm, where have we seen this tactic before?), but even if (for the sake of argument) Wilson was partisan, inaccurate or misleading in his intelligence assessments, there’s still the little matter of the law: Bush adviser Karl Rove either broke the law against revealing a CIA operative’s name, in which case he should be fired and perhaps jailed, or he didn’t, technically, in which case he might still be guilty of serious ethical violations that could warrant his dismissal.
(By the way, Rove apparently has been dismissed before, from the Bush-Quayle campaign in 1992, for leaking inside stuff to — surprise! — columnist Robert Novak. Rove denied then, too, that he was the source.)
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I’m just amazed by the leingths some people will go to to avoid the truth. And the truth is, there are some very unsavory characters in this administration. Karl Rove is near the top of the list. The Republicans keep splitting hairs and it all sounds a lot like the old “what is the meaning of “is”. argument.
-Rove is toast. Not if, but when. This story is going into its second week, and Fitzgerald seems just to be getting started.
-Judging from the stink of desparation emanating from the RNC and the White House spinmeisters, it’s beginning to look like the whole fabric of Bush Administration lies and fabrications leading up the Iraq War might unravel.
If the Senate changes hands next year, I’d like to see the President investigated. Turn that rock over, God knows what we’ll find.
Dagett,
Indeed. This place stinks of Wingnut fear for the presidency of Jesus Bush.
Truth doesn’t have any status in this administration. If Shrub said the sun was shining, I’d have to go look out the window.
CF, I think you have it about
“the whole fabric of Bush Administration lies and fabrications leading up the Iraq War might unravel”
Seems there’s a lot of information coming out that the administration would rather keep from the light of day. This all comes at a time when Our Fearless Leader is sinking to historic low levels in the polls.
The only way the information is going to come out is if republicans are embarrased into it. “Shrub” as Nola calls him, is nothing but a lame duck now, and I don’t think all republican lawmakers are going to put their political lives on the line for someone so obviously “ethically challenged”. The Plame affair, Supreme Court, and the war virtually assure that Bush’s domestic program is dead in the water, and that’s probably a good thing, considering what the GOP has in mind for “the little people”.
The Plame case just keeps getting better, information leaks out a little at a time. It’s like death by a thousand cuts for the administration.
As the situation grows worse for the Bush Junta, I look for a return to elevated security threats timed to distract the American people from the nastiness coming out about our government ala Plame. Problem is, the Bushies have cried “wolf” so many times, nobody but the tin-hat troops of the far right listen.
Wow! That was quite a piece of houskeeping! Thanks for removing the clutter, Randy.
CF, It’s good to see this blog cleaned-up. I don’t even hear any laughing, do you? Rove is a symptom of how far off-center the Bush administration has taken this country. There was a time the United States did not violate international law or the Geneva conventions. Better then then now. Agreed?
This is a dead case. It will be old news in a month.
Joe, It seems to serve as a distraction from a major assault by Sharon on the Palestinians today. And this thing about Rove, in that way, allows Bush to turn his head away from the Road Map Peace-Plan and an all-out slaughter in Gaza. People are dying while the MSN has something else to speculate about. Bush can act and stop the senseless carnage such as London, but he’s refusing to use US muscle to bring peace to the core problem of so-called “terrorism.” I guess that makes Rove happy.
Joe, that’s what you (meaning those like-minded) said two weeks ago…and two years ago when this first came out.
Randy, thanks for checking on Rove’s history with Daddy Bush. It definitely merits a reminder.
Dagett, let’s not forget the Social Security debacle, Medicare, and the cuts in programs that no one has felt yet. All of these, taken individually, are more than questionable, but as a group, they’re pointing to the fact that we’ve been sold up the river to big business. Let’s hope it’s not too late to turn things around and give this country back to the people.
Poor Randy is still so bitter over the election, he wants Rove’s scalp so badly! The libs can’t win on policy issues (thank you tax cuts!) or elections (thanks W) so the only thing they have left is scalps. Couldn’t get DeLay last month, this month it’s Rove’s turn. Yawn. Rove survives, as he should.
At the risk of merely nitpicking, RD: Social Security “reform” will probably be something that fails under Bush, but do you think that’s the last of it? I don’t. The far right will try to kill it any way it can. Right now it’s trying mightily to forge a coalition with young Americans to do just that (and succeeding largely).
If they don’t succeed by the time Bush is out of office, that does not mean the issue is dead. Social Security will always be threatened by those who have enough wealth to feel threatened by what they see as merely a large liability (if SS is still law while transfers dip below incomes, then they fear Congress will tax the wealthiest Americans to make up the difference). Oh, and they also have the wealth to buy political influence.
Now the nitpick. While Social Security might be a short term debacle for the Republicans only, the real debacle – for all Americans – is the new Medicare drug law.
How a supposedly conservative body politic can pass such a law – one that explicitly prevents Medicare from using its considerable size as bargaining leverage when negotiating drug prices – is beyond me.
Disgusting.
Isn’t it great to hear Joe Wilson and Jimmy Bisoni whistling past the graveyard concerning Rove? He’s toast, and if he’s toast, then Bush is, too.
What with the Cooper interview shredding Rove’s story today, I’m looking forward to where the story goes this week.
Ed, agreed. Remember when we had a country rather than a cabal, and the rule of law rather than brute force and lies? Someday we will again.
Oh, and Jimmy, on policy issues, I’d say the Democrats are killing: SS is dead, Dead, DEAD until 2006, at which point it’s REALLY dead.
CF: Wow, could almost see the spittle on that last post. Seek help. Rove walks.
Jimmy,
You got nothin’, and it’s obvious. Rove did everything he’s accused of, and more. Guilty as sin.
Look for Rove and Scooter Libby to ’spend more time with their families’ very soon.
Guys, while I think Rove is guilty as hell, I don’t for a minute think he’s going to be Indicted, much less convicted of anything. The law involved was written in a manner that virtually guarantees nobody will be convicted. And the Republicans have seized on the idea that since Rove refered to Plame as Wilson’s wife rather than using her full name, he’s not guilty of anything. That’s like saying, If I call your mother a cheap tramp, you shouldn’t knock my teeth down my throat because I didn’t refer to your mom by name. And the Republicans had a hissy-fit about “what is the meaning of “is”?
Regardless, as more and more info comes out, the Republicans just keep looking worse and the polls are showing it. Control of Congress is cyclical, the Republicans have gotten too overbearing and crooked, folks at home are getting tired of Bush’s war, and by 2006, it’ll be time for a change. As I’ve said before; I hope Rove stays right where he’s at and the administration fights tooth and nail to keep him. Rove is the poster child of sleaze and I want to see the electoriate’s nose rubbed in it.
RD, excellent post about Social Security, Medicare, and program cuts.
flike,The Bushistas can ally all they want to with the kids on Social Security. It’ll do them no good; Young people don’t vote. We thought we had a lock on the youth vote in 04, but when it came time to vote, the young folks stayed home.
Part of Cooper’s testimony to the grand jury:
“….So did Rove leak Plame’s name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the “agency” on “WMD”? Yes.
But as we all know, since Rove is a republican, it’s ok.
Gee, I wonder what happened to Mr. Hammer, the traveling mossad mouth, since he got blown-away. I guess he crawled back into his hole. I’m already starting to miss the punk.
Come everybody, start being nice to Rove. After all he carries Bush’s brain around in that brown paperbag. Keeps it nice and warm, programs it, then reinstalls it for speeches. Poor Bush won’t be able to talk without Rove there. No telling what might fall out of Bush’s mouth with the “brain” gone.
Bush might discover that the Eskimos have ” Snowballs of Mass Destruction” attack their igloos and poor Nathan might freeze his,…….. well it wouldn’t be pretty.
“Control of Congress is cyclical.” The Dems had control of the House for 40 years…heckuva cycle. The polls now are as meaningless as the early exit polls last election day….remember those :-)
Maybe you’re right, Dagett, but I wouldn’t count on it.
One thing I’ve noticed is that among those young people I know who do care enough to vote, the privatization of SS is like received wisdom. In lieu of really thinking about the issue, they seem content to judge all SS recipients as mere losers in life’s lottery, people who deserve destitution because they somehow didn’t prepare for it. That they paid into SS for their lifetimes seems to count little. Instead, all that counts is the ratio of recipients/payers, and they’re incensed that the ratio will rise in their lifetimes, on their dime.
If this attitude grows, then Social Security reform will likely be accomplished in an increasingly hostile political atmosphere. And if that’s the case, then SS will face an increasingly bleak future, at least until this ratio – or the weight attached to it – shrinks.
It might only take these young people turning out to vote one time, a single shot, to reverse one of the most noble, responsible laws America has ever passed.
Still here old man. Just don’t have time to argue with the village idiot (you).
Yaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn
flike,You could be right, but my experience in the past 35 years (as long as I’ve been voting) is, young people just can’t be bothered to vote. With Rock the Vote, Mtv and such, they talk, but they just don’t actually register and then vote. I’m sure a lot of it has to do with the mobility of the younger set. You have to be registered where you live, and a lot of young people just don’t stay in one place long enough to be registered at the time of elections. Sad thing is, the younger folks only hear the part about “it’s your money”, and don’t listen to the details, like how the Government lets you use “your money” and charges you intrest, along with the mirad of other small details that make privitization a bunk deal. It never occurs to them that the market goes down as well as up, and what happens if it’s down when you retire.I agree a lot of them are short-sighted, selfish, and don’t consider the consequinces of crippling Social Security, Like who’s going to take care of mom and dad in their old age. You know how kids are. They never consider the financial ramifications of an unplanned pregnancy, divorce, child support, lay off or a weak job market. Kids think they’re imortal and nothing really bad can happen to them.Thankfully, I’m at an age where if they just don’t ruin it in the next couple of years, I’ll probably be ok, but I still worry about people in their 40’s who like me, planned on SS as part of their retirement portfolio. I just don’t see young people (under 30) getting up the gumption to vote.
Did you ever consider calling yourself “SledgeHammer?” That makes you sound really bad. Like real tough.
But, I guess with those fast-guns, on your address, that’s enough scary stuff for anybody, especially with you being a mossad agent?
Hey, CF–the paper printed one of your blog posts in Sunday’s paper on Rove.
Good job, homeboy!
Antares/Mr. Twister
The thing we all have to remember is that Rove is a professional liar. I mean that’s his job description–destroy the opposition by any means necessary, lie, smear, defame, blackmail.
He’s going to be a slippery weasel to trap . . .
Joe Wilson, unraveled:Did he say anything that was true?THE MORE that is revealed about the leaking of CIA employee Valerie Plame’s name, the more her husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, is discredited.
For the past two years Wilson has suggested that the White House exposed his wife as a CIA agent in retribution for his having “debunked” President Bush’s statement, made in his 2003 State of the Union address, that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger. Left-wing activists have trumpeted this charge until it has echoed from every mountain and hilltop in the land. Last week’s revelations in the case show the charge to be entirely unfounded.
Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper’s now famous e-mail exchange with Karl Rove, President Bush’s top political strategist, shows that Cooper initiated the contact with Rove, not the other way around, and that Rove did not reveal Plame’s name. The New York Times reported on Friday that, contrary to Wilson’s spin, Rove did not contact columnist Bob Novak to divulge Plame’s name. Novak called Rove, and it was Novak who told Rove that Plame recommended her husband for the Niger trip. Rove simply responded that he’d heard the same thing.
This is important because Wilson claimed to have been sent to Niger by Vice President Dick Cheney, and that his wife had nothing to do with his selection. Both claims were later proven untrue.
The icing on the cake was Wilson’s own admission, made Thursday, that “My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.”
So not only was Karl Rove not calling reporters to disclose the identity of Plame, whose name he did not then know, she was not even a covert agent at the time, as has been incessantly claimed.
That the sources for these revelations were Time magazine, The New York Times and Joe Wilson himself will, of course, have no effect on the wingnuts who peddle Karl Rove conspiracy theories. But then, those who believe in a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy were never heavily influenced by the facts anyway.
Mister Twister, You nailed it ” He’s going to be a slippery weasel to trap ” Good shot, right on the mark.
Here is hoping they defend Rove to the last. Every day it simmers brings the fire closer to burn the bush. And I relish everyday that they twist and burn in the wind.We have endured great pain and suffering. No doubt the damage the bushinistas have done will take decades to correct.But we will have decades! The Gop had its chance and showed themselves for what they really are. (Side note here; I see people like jimmy as enemies) Yo jimmy and bushinistas? time to crawl back under your rock for another forty years. Do your damage as best you can as you always have; by using hurting and exploiting people. But you will do it on your own.America is through with the greedy old party.
Teddy Kennedy has killed more people than Karl Rove and we still have to deal with Teddy.Get over it, Libs.
Jimmy’s post is what I love about the right wing-nuts, no matter what Bush and his people do, it’s good and right.
The man never made a mistake. He grew gov’t 27 percent in his first three years, he cuts taxes on the rich while fighting two wars, national debt is going up radically after 8 years of Clinton’s paying it down, he was on vacation while the intelligence agencies were running around with “their hair on fire” before 9-11, Dick Cheney chaired a committee on terrorism that NEVER MET, we’re fighting in Iraq against an enemy that never attacked us and posed no threat to us, the Dow Jones stood at 11,000 when Bush took office and almost five years later it stands at 10,500 (so much for privatizing your retirement in the stock market), and the Bush brownshirts still drive around with “W’s” on their cars.
Oh, did I mention oil which our country uses like an addict uses herion thanks to Bush’s “use oil, use oil, use more oil” policy, is at an all-time high?
Worst. President. Ever.
Gentle people,
As we learn more and more about Karl Rove and his supposed crime, the less and less it appears that he did anything wrong.
The recent stories in the news from the various reporters involved seem to vindicate him. Futhermore, they tend to make the deomcrats and their allies in the MSM look more and more foolish.
The reasons that they are after Karl Rove is simple; he is very good at what he does and devoid of any positve policies they are left with character assassination as their only political strategy.
Karl Rove will not be fired. He will not be indicted. This whole thing will go away.
Fondly,
Hank
Hank, I almost hate to waste facts here, because you seem to ignore them.
Cooper said:
“So did Rove leak Plame’s name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the “agency” on “WMD”? Yes.”
I agree Rove won’t be convicted or fired. The President won’t “fire anybody involved”. Just more proof what a liar Bush is.I think keeping Rove in power is a good thing. He’s the poster child of sleaze, and I like the idea that everybody gets their nose rubbed in it. It’ll keep people “focused”, at least till the next election.
Antares,
Man, are you sh****n’ me?!? Damn. I usually buy the Sunday edition, but I didn’t yesterday. Guess I’ll have to poke around Wichita and see if there’s a copy somewheres.
Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy…
Here’s some commentary for Jimmy, for whom no three day-old GOP spin is so putrid that he can’t attempt to recycle it. My comments are in all caps. Jimmy wrote:
Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper’s now famous e-mail exchange with Karl Rove, President Bush’s top political strategist, shows that Cooper initiated the contact with Rove, not the other way around [HOW IS THIS RELEVANT, JIMMY?], and that Rove did not reveal Plame’s name [IF SOMEBODY SAYS 'MRS. JIMMY BISONI,' THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD WAY OF INDICATING A PERSON'S IDENTITY, WOULDN'T YOU SAY, JIMMY?]. The New York Times reported on Friday that, contrary to Wilson’s spin, Rove did not contact columnist Bob Novak to divulge Plame’s name. Novak called Rove, and it was Novak who told Rove that Plame recommended her husband for the Niger trip. Rove simply responded that he’d heard the same thing.
This is important because Wilson claimed to have been sent to Niger by Vice President Dick Cheney, and that his wife had nothing to do with his selection. Both claims were later proven untrue. [UM, NO, AS OF TODAY THAT'S STILL A MATTER OF DISPUTE, AND I'VE SEEN AUTHORITATIVE REPORTS CLAIMING THAT CHENEY'S OFFICE WAS PART OF THE INITIATIVE THAT SENT WILSON TO NIGER]
The icing on the cake was Wilson’s own admission, made Thursday, that “My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.” [HERE YOU'RE BEING DELIBERATELY OBTUSE, JIMMY. I'LL REORGANIZE THE SENTENCE TO HELP YOUR LIMITED INTELLECT GRASP THE SEMANTIC IMPLICATIONS OF WILSON'S STATEMENT: 'THE DAY THAT BOB NOVAK BLEW HER IDENTITY, MY WIFE WAS NOT A CLANDESTINE OFFICER.' THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THE MOMENT HER COVER WAS BLOWN BY NOVAK, SHE HAD CEASED TO BE CLANDESTINE.]
So not only was Karl Rove not calling reporters to disclose the identity of Plame, whose name he did not then know, she was not even a covert agent at the time, as has been incessantly claimed. [SHE ABSOLUTELY WAS. IF SHE WASN'T CLANDESTINE, JIMMY, THEN WHY WOULD THE CIA ASK THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO APPOINT A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR? ON THIS POINT, YOU GOT LESS THAN NOTHIN']
That the sources for these revelations were Time magazine, The New York Times and Joe Wilson himself will, of course, have no effect on the wingnuts [HEY JIMMY, I'M ON THE LEFT. I'M A MOONBAT. I WEAR A TINFOIL HAT SO I CAN HEAR THE SECRET CIA BROADCASTS, REMEMBER? 'WINGNUT' IS THE SHORTENED VERSION OF 'RIGHT WING NUTJOBS,' THAT IS, FOLKS LIKE YOURSELF. IF YOU'RE GOING TO CALL ME NAMES, CALL ME THE RIGHT ONES. SHEESH!] who peddle Karl Rove conspiracy theories.
On the famous person body count, Jimmy is correct thatTeddy Kennedy has killed one person more than has Karl Rove. That ranks Teddy with First Lady Laura Bush, who also has an automotive body count of 1. George better nominate a woman for the SCOTUS. I wouldn’t make her mad.
And with Hank, well, gosh, I can’t help it if you see what you want to see. I mean, when Matt Cooper says in an interview that Rove and Scooter Libby both revealed Valerie Plame’s identity and Hank says ‘move along, nothin’ to see here,’ the smell of Kool-Aid wipes out everything else in the room. Hank is smug, self-satisfied, and delusional.
Dagett, I’m not sure where this thing is going. I’m cynical enough to agree with your intuition that Bush will go back on his word to protect Rove, but when commentators like Frank Rich and Dan Schorr say that it’s only a matter of time before the knight falls on his sword to protect the king, I wonder.
The real wild card here is Fitzgerald. Watch for the Bushes to begin sliming him if he gets too close.
Dear Dagett,
I actually feel a little sorry for Matt Cooper. I saw him interviewed a couple of times yesterday. He seems confused and uncomfortable with the leading questions that he was being asked.
Instead of asking him questions that could shed a little light on the situation, he was asked questions that seem to reinforce the preconcieved notion that Rove is guilty of something.
Here is a little fact from all of Matt Cooper’s interviews. Nothing he said indicates that Rove is guilty of anything. Nothing he said indicates that Rove did anything unethical.
In fact, if you take the intire content of what Matt Cooper has to say, it seems to exonerate Karl Rove.
Sorry,
Hank
Dear CF,
You finally got something right! I am smug! I am self-satisfied! (I don’t think I’m delusional, but how would I know?) Being delusional is kinda like being humble, if you think you are, you’re not.
Why am I smug? Because I have the #1 bearded collie in his herding class. Why am I self-satisfied? Because that is one of the traits of a conservative. We do not depend on others for our happiness.
Sincerely,
Hank
You’re dreaming, Hank. So I’ll quote it one more time:
Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes.
Hank, the word “YES” means “AFFIRMATIVE”. Cooper said he learned that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA from Rove.
“Did Rove say that she worked at the “agency” on “WMD”? Yes.”
Again Hank, in the affirmative. Whether you think so or not, the CIA says Plame was undercover. I think the CIA probably is more knowledgable than you are. Good God man, I apparently have houseplants that are more knowledgable that you are.Why do you think the CIA went to the Justice Department?
Hank, I suggest you look up SF-312, also known as Classified Non Disclosure Agreement. It’s pretty specific about what information can and can’t be disclosed. Rove signed the agreement and he violated it (not that a lying, unethical republican is anything new). Here’s a link that might help; read the part about “Confirming Classified Information:
http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/Documents/20050715140232-17725.pdf
I don’t think for a minute Rove will be indicted for anything, and I don’t want him to be. I want him in the Whitehouse as a glaring example of the perfidity and lack of ethics in this administration.
Has Karl Rove been indicted yet? Didn’t think so :-)
Hank,
Ah, purebreds: the joy that only inbreeding can bring. If I were you, I’d also be turning to my non-political sources of comfort and satisfaction, given the fact that the DC press corpse seems to have finally woken up to the scandals waiting to be reported concerning the Bush administration.
Jimmy,
Freudian slip or what? When you ask whether Rove has been indicted ‘yet’, this suggests that you think he will. You might want to make use of that ‘Preview’ button down below before you dig yourself in any deeper.
This whole thing is only beginning to get as ugly as it eventually will. Much, much more is coming down the pike. And we’re HOW far into Bush’s second term?
Fellow Moonbats, and all you Wingnuts, stay tuned!
Traditionally, isn’t the Democratic party the anti-Lincoln party, the slavery party, the party known for all the hatemongering and black lynchings, the party that had to be shamed by Republicans into passing civil rights legislation because Republicans supported them by a higher margin than Democrats? Well, yes, that’s them all right.
They haven’t had a good political lynching since Nixon or Bork, by damn. Looks like they’re awfully hungry.
Also looks like nothing has changed with the Democrat Party’s hate mongering.
Dear Dagett,
Yes, my friend, I realize that yes means affirmative. When, did an official spokesman for the CIA say that Plame was undercover? The facts indicate the last time she was a covert agent was in 1997. The facts indicate that it was common knowledge that she worked for the CIA as a paper pusher since then.
You asked?
“Why do you think the CIA went to the Justice Department?”
I’ve seen no evidence that this was initiated by the CIA. The MSM demanded a special proscuter first in the hope they could get Novak. The CIA probably went to justice to get the MSM off their back.
I too hope that this goes on and on, every day the media and the democrats look sillier and sillier!
Fondly,
Hank
Hey Libs: Q-In two years how many times did Bill Clinton meet one on one with his CIA Director?A- 0Stop crying your crocodile tears about the CIA. This is all about “getting” Rove. Just try to be honest. For once.
Dear CF,
Actually it has been getting less and less ugly as time goes by and more and more facts come out.
At first it was Rowe outed a CIA covert agent, he committed a crime! Then it was well; Rowe didn’t commit a crime, but what he did was unethical. Now its well but he signed a SF-312 and look what that form says! Of course there’s no evidence that he disclosed or confirmed any classified information.
By next week Bush will have nominated his selection for the Supreme Court and the democrats and MSM will be busy pouring over video rental records to see if the selection is qualified. They will forget about Karl Rowe quicker that they forgot about Tom Delay after they found out more democrats were guilty of finance errors than Tom.
“DC press corpse” is that not a perfect example of a “Freudian slip or what?”
I remain,
Hank
Spin it any way you want to, Repubs. Seems the American people don’t see it your way.
“Just a quarter of Americans think the White House is fully cooperating in the federal investigation of the leak of a CIA operative’s identity, a number that’s declined sharply since the investigation began. And three-quarters say that if presidential adviser Karl Rove was responsible for leaking classified information, it should cost him his job.
Skepticism about the administration’s cooperation has jumped. As the initial investigation began in September 2003, nearly half the public, 47 percent, believed the White House was fully cooperating. That fell to 39 percent a few weeks later, and it’s lower still, 25 percent, in this new ABC News poll.”
I know. When the polls don’t favor you, they don’t count. But it looks to me like a lot of Americans are starting to realize what a bunch of creeps we have in the whitehouse.
President Chimpy’s boy Rove may be in trouble.
By the way Hank, do you check out anything besides Faux News? “DC press Corpse” is a term that’s been in use for a few weeks now. Wake up, sonny.
Dagett, it is so pathetic to see you still looking for your ungabunga manhood. I’d laugh at you or feel sorry for you, but you’re too pathetic for that. Mommy Dean probably has another all-year sucker for you so you won’t ever have to grow up, you poor, dear little boy.
You libs want to talk about some lies with real consequences? Doubt it.Some things the US citizens should never forget:
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.
Bagit, I know where my ungabunga manhood is.
Please don’t bite down
Jimmy–Take a breath. It was 3000 that died in the 9-11 attacks, not 7000.
Did you ever wonder why Al Qaeda started “hating us for our freedoms” in 1993?Why didn’t they hate us in 1990 or wait until 1995?
In 1991, George H.W. Bush put American (i.e., non-Muslim) troops in Saudi Arabia, the “land of the two holy sites” to true believers, the land that should never be defiled let alone OCCUPIED by foreigners.
Lying Sec’y of Defense and POS Dick Cheney said that those troops would be in Arabia “not one minute longer than they needed to be.”
Ten years later, they were still there. And during those ten years, Arab militants attacked the US in Somalia, the Suden, Arabia, Yemen, Kenya, and the twin towers twice.
Terrorism against the US is a direct result of our own stupidity in stationing troops in Arabia. I blame Bush I, Bush II, AND Clinton.
Of course, this doesn’t justify terrorism, but had we not been there, they would not have tried to kill us for a decade.
Instead of a reasonable response against terrorism, we’re fighting on two fronts and killing a lot of people, including our own soldiers.
If that’s progress to you, then I don’t know how much more “progress” we can stand.
Gentle people,
This will all go away, because there is nothing to it.
Hank
Hank, you’re probably right. I expect the administration will figure out a way to “make it go away”, but not for a while. It’ll be another festering wound to Chimpy. We’ve slowed down or stopped his domestic agenda, and his Private accounts are dead in the water. He’s not just a lame duck, he’s a dead duck. Yes, he’s going to get to pick a Supreme court justice or 2, but I think you wingnuts are in for a surprise. You see, you neocons don’t own Chimpy; big business does, and business doesn’t want a social ideologue, they want someone who’s pro-business. Chimpy won’t be able to start anymore wars, the war he’s already got has turned a lot of Americans against him. Stick a fork in him…he’s done, a has-been. Nothing is going to happen in congress because we’re getting too close to the 2006 election, and after that, a dozen republicans will derail Monkey-Boy to prove they’re presidential material, and not Bush’s lackey. So rant on…you folks are done for the next 3 years at least.
My, that’s interesting. There seems to be 2 of me. Do I have an evil twin out there? Is there someone who’s so unsure of their position that they need to steal a name to state said position? What a shame.
Antares, sadly, I don’t believe that was one of my posts that the Eagle printed yesterday. Yet again, immortality eludes me.
Now for some surgery.
Hank,
If you’re going to whore yourself out to defend a closeted homosexual political strategist who leaked the identity of a covert operative, get the man’s name right: it’s Rove, not Rowe.
Since when is the media a part of the government able to appoint a Special Prosector? Look on Wikipedia for documentation that the CIA made a criminal referral to Justice. Methinks someone has a bit of egg on his face, Hank.
‘DC press corpse’ was deliberate, Hank. I detest them and their sucking up to Bushco–particularly Judy Miller. They’ve whored themselves out to the Bush Administration and its dishonest, disingenuous Iraq War sales job, although they’ve begun to show signs of remembering how to act like an independent media.
Jimmy, not being able to keep one’s promises and lying are two different things. I know it’s hard to see the difference when it’s someone you despise as much as Clinton, but do try to keep the distinction in mind.
And frankly, I recall a Republican House and Senate that dismissed his pursuit of al Qaeda as an attempt to change the subject from the Ken Starr Whitewater fiasco. If Republicans kept him from being able to do his job, they bear an equal burden of responsibility. Not that they’ll ever accept it; after all, Clinton = Satan and Bush = Jesus.
Finally, we have Kathy ineptly playing the race card. Hey, Kathy, um, 1965 was a while ago now. In case you haven’t noticed, all those Democratic Party racists like Strom and Jesse went Republican a long, long, long time ago. More to the point, Republicans like George Bush II continue to run winning campaigns on anti-Black racism, like the South Carolina primary, where it was whispered that John McCain liked himself a little Brown Sugar and wound up with a mixed race child.
You Republicans are the racists. That’s the record. Deal with it.
And if the point is that Democrats love a good lynching while Repubicans don’t, well, ask yourself: who spent $70 million to investigate a crime that was never committed, and then tried to impeach a President for getting a blow job?
I thought so.
Wrong again CF. But you’re always playing it fast and loose with the facts. The Democrat Party, the great champion of women’s rights who would have painted Monica Lewinsky as a deranged stalker until that doggone blue dress showed up.
Resolution Impeaching William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.Resolved, That William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Novak’s column motivated me to dig up the oldest PlameGate Weblog I could find. Reading some of this hysterical ranting is kind of funny. Enjoy!
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15988