The facts about what Karl Rove said about CIA agent Valerie Plame and when he said it seem to get fuzzier by the day. But President Bush sounded an unequivocal tone Monday in restating that if anyone on his staff committed a crime in the Plame case, that person will “no longer work in my administration.” Some think the key word was “crime,” meaning Bush is sure Rove didn’t commit one. Then again, given White House-speak, maybe it depends on your definition of “work,” “in,” “my” or “administration.”
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Nothing going to happen. Just another feeding frezy in D.C.
I tend to agree with Joe. It doesn’t really matter who is wrong or right or if Rove is guilty or not. Nothing is going to happen. If Rove was fired, who would be there to tell Bush what to say and do? This will be great election season material.
Who is this Carl Rowe guy?
I guess it depends on what the meaning of “is” is. Rove committed no crime. do your homework and read the law and the facts of this case. This is much ado about nothing. Everyone in D.C. knew who she was and where she worked.
Ernie, Karl Rove { correct spelling } is the brain behind George W. Bush. Bush is not smart enough to be President, but some very dangerous people wish to destroy our US Constitution.
Already, using their so-called “Patriot Act,” they have stripped most of the Bill of Rights within the Constitution and through the Scam of fighting the so-called “war on terrorism,” law enforcement, using another scam called “Homeland Scrutiny” can deport American citizens to other countries to be tortured into confessing to crimes which they did not commit.
Karl Rove is a traitor to the United States, right next to the President and is making US policy through the office of the presidency.
Notice the amount of “support” he has from people who wish to turn the United States into an Israeli Zionist controlled Dictatorship. These same people tried to takeover our Government once before using Communism, now their new tactic is turning us into a “police State.”
Either way the result is the same: We lose our freedoms. Government now has the right to confiscate private property for whatever purpose it deems necessary, which is a direct violation of the fourth amendment of our constitution.
Anyone who thinks Rove is going to be punished (whether deserved or not) is living in a dream world. Republicans are going to mis-lead and spin; Democrats are going to go overboard. It might be worth our while to calm down, take a deep breath, stand back, and see what develops.
Well put, Ed. My thoughts exactly.Impeachment seems to come up only in relationship to blue dresses in this country. Somehow what has been going on for the last 5 years (or more) somehow seems a lot more serious to me. That blue dress didn’t strip me of any of my rights.
Rhonda, We may be on our way back to { God forbid } “Is.”
Nola, If we can just get Karl Rove to put on a “blue dress” we’ll be in good shape. He might even look kinda cute? Not being of the persuasion, I can’t really speak to that, but maybe you can. So whatayouthink?
If Bush really wanted to settle this he’d let Rove go. He could say that Rove did nothing wrong but to “avoid the appearance” of anything improper he had to leave. Rove could even “step down” on his own for the same reason. We all know that nothing is going to happen. Bush is running backward from his prior statements as fast as he can. He does not want to lose Rove (and thus his ability to “think”). You’d think that Rove being the brains of the outfit would see that the fast dropping opinion polls are only going down and would develop a strategy where his departure would give Bush a bounce. Guess ego trumps what is best for his “boss” and the country.
The timing could be right for Rove to leave. The 2006 elections are right around the corner and his talents could be put to use in bolstering some of the Rep. who will need help retaining their seats or in winning new ones. Bush is a lame duck and all he really needs to do is ride out his term and pave the way for a clone to continue his policies.
Bush can’t afford to lose Rove’s services because the WH would probably lose a significant degree of effectiveness. Still, given the state of technology today I’m not sure that merely forcing Rove to move out of the west wing will have much impact to WH ops.
If Rove is sent to prison, though, then you’ve got a whole new ball game. Not only the WH suffers but Congress and, by extension, the GOP as a whole loses its Robert E. Lee (sorry, Gen. Lee).
Rove in prison is a huge threat to the GOP.
I don’t think Bush believes the public has turned against him, not decisively or permanently.
He and Rove probably think that they can turn the spotlight back on the Dems by nominating a real firecracker for SCOTUS. That’s why the WH has backed off Gonzalez lately. Whoever’s nominated will likely be a real unibrowed knuckledragger, male or female.It also fits with Rove and Bush’s MO: if cornered, use Rove’s model to divide and conquer.
The US – as well as the Dems – would be well served if the Dems call off the dogs and let Fitzgerald proceed, in my opinion.
Bush could have gotten to the bottom of this two years ago by simply walking into Karl Rove’s office and asking him what the hell was going on.
That’s what a president would do. That’s what Truman or Kennedy would have done.
But Bush is the walking epitome of the man who only sees what he wants to see–that’s why our national debt is at an historic high (since WW2), why we’re making no progress in Iraq, why no WMD’s were found, why the stock market won’t go up for five years, why unemployment and under-employment are high, why health care costs are eating us alive, why our dependence on foreign oil is increasing, why oil has hit a historic high price.
Except for eking out tiny majorities in unbelievably close elections, Bush is a miserable failure. Poll numbers have his approval rating at 42 percent and falling.
Too late, Americans are waking up to the reality that this man is the . . .
Worst. President. Ever.
While it’s too late to do anything about President Cuckoo Bananas, we can punish the party that marches lock-step behind him.
The 2006 mid-term elections . . . “bring ‘em on.”
Ah Mister Twister,
God luv ya! Hopeing against hope for the mid-term elections!
BRING ‘EM ON!!
I’m pullin’ for ya,
Hank
I wonder what all of you Bush haters are going to do when this turns out to be nothing and forgotten in a month?
I like the idea of a “Israeli Zionist controlled Dictatorship”, Ed. Our country would be a lot more peaceful if we just nuke the enemies of Israel and be done with it. Then we turn the country over to the Zionists and let them have it all.
I don’t need any more freeoms than I have now with the Patriot Act. I know that with my freedom of speech destroyed by the Patriot Act I can no longer have a protest or write letters to the editor or blog or watch child pornography at the library; but who needed that anyway? And if I don’t like it I can just wade across the border to Canada.
Nathan, show me where we’re “Bush Haters”. Depends on what you mean by “Bush Hater”.
Seriously man, everybody will just move on to the next scandal…With this administration, if it’s not one thing, it’s another.
Thanks for the sarcasm, Hank. I have too little of that in my life right now.
You got a point–the Democrats aren’t going to win with the strategies they’ve been using.
They have to become more like the Republicans–look at what the Swift Boat Liars did to Kerry. Took a two-tour Vietnam vet who won a silver star, a bronze star with V for valor and 3 purple hearts and smeared him until they made it sound like he was a communist spy.
They did the same thing to their own Sen. McCain when he ran for president in 2000. A Navy pilot, he was shot down and spent time in a NV prison. The Bushiviks said that he was mentally instabile after his “torture” and that he had fathered a black child out of wedlock. (Actually, it was the Republican Jesse Helms who did that.) The McCains had adopted a dark-skinned girl from Bangladesh.
So, those people who say that Democrats can’t win until they’re more like Republicans are right. We’ve got to start fighting dirty like they do.
Mister Twister,
Do you see th irony of your statment?
The “Swift Boat Liars?”
These are officers and enlisted men who also served with Kerry in Vietnam, most for a lot longer than the 4 moths Kerry did.
They all received Medals and awards for their brave service to this country.
Yet you are going to call them liars?
What lie did they tell? I happen to have all of their ads on my computer. So if you would like to tell me what lie they told I will check.
Nathan! All Republicans are liars. *Sarcasm*
We have a two party political system, but in actuallity, we have 4 of them. Just the other two align themselves with the Party (not in principle) but in stance for grasp of power.
There are some really good Republicans and really good Democrats that are dedicated to public service and looking out for the people and the nation.
The other two groups are extremly dangerous to the fabric of our nation and we must as dedicated and patriotic citizens must never let them grab power. Unfortunantly they are the loudest and most financally groups of the 4 parties. That is why politics in America today is so spirited with propaganda/lies/disinformation/cheats, and you name it. The politicans that are in touch with the people are the ones that tell the truth and do the right thing. McCain is one of those rare politicans.
The dangerous parties are Liberals and Evangicals. We must do whatever possible to keep either of these two groups from grabbing power. Unfortunatly they have grabbed a lot of power in their perspective districts and states in the last 10 years.
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Mister Twister,
As a God-fearing, Christian, America-loving-veteran,pro-choice conservative I just want to rejoice when I read posts by you and people like you. You are exactly the constituents that the democrats and their willing accomplices in the MSM target with their never ending stream of liberal, anti-Christian, hate-America, republican-bashing, insult-the-troops and administration-bashing line of untrue, ridiculous crap.
The very fact that the extreme left-wing nitwits in the country are the only ones that buy their crap anymore gives me faith in the country and real Americans every where. You are part of a vanishing breed my friend.
Keep thinking that we are stupid, racists, zionists (I put that in here for you Ed), Kool-aid drinking, brown-shirt-wearing (I put that in here for you Antares) and we will dominate the political arena for years to come.
Hate, fear and divisiveness will not win elections. You have to have a policy other than bash republicans. You have to have a plan. (I admit that most of our plans are bad, but at least we have one!)
I’m pullin’ for ya,
Hank
Now Bush is moved up his own timeline and will announce a Supreme Court nominee tonight. Got to get the press talking about something besides Rove. And, we know they will. The press has a short attention span. This will move Rove off the screen and he will be forgotten. Let’s just hope the nomionee is a moderate like O’Connor and not a judicial advocate like Scalia or Thomas.
Dear Libs: Got DeLay yet?
Way to go, Hank!
Chris Hitchens disects Rove matter.
Rove RageThe poverty of our current scandal.By Christopher HitchensPosted Monday, July 18, 2005, at 1:10 PM PTWilson and Schumer: Rove should goWriting to a friend in 1954, P.G. Wodehouse commented:
Are you following the McCarthy business? If so, can you tell me what it’s all about? “You dined with Mr. X on Friday the tenth?” “Yes, sir.” (Keenly) “What did you eat?” “A chocolate nut sundae, sir.” (Sensation) It’s like Bardell vs Pickwick.
Wodehouse of course was only affecting ignorance and making light of a ludicrously pompous and slightly sinister proceeding. But he was essentially correct in his lampooning of the McCarthy hearings, since even the most convinced anti-communist would not learn anything from the spectacle that he did not already know, and since the show trials managed to go on without producing either any evidence of any crime, or any evidence of any perpetrator, or any evidence of any victim.
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