A July 17 letter to the editor complained that average Muslims had not expressed enough outrage at the July 7 London bombings.
But this Washington Post article indicates that Britain’s moderate Muslim leaders — who met with Tony Blair this week — are unified in their outrage. However, they’re divided about how to channel that outrage into a solution.
“We’ve gone through this shock period immediately after the bombing when we all reacted simultaneously to condemn it,” said Nazir Ahmed, a Kashmiri Muslim and member of the House of Lords. “But now many people are confused as to how to deal with it.”
There are no easy answers to terrorism, but simultaneous condemnation is a good start — one that should quiet critics who are calling for a stronger reaction.
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…sound of crickets chirping…
…where are all the moderate muslims clamoring to apologise for their more “fundie” brothers?
And old saying goes something like this “you may be as innocent as a dove, but when you fly with the crows, you can expect to be treated like one”
Hey James,I have a number of Muslim friends who have expressed much regret and anger about terrorism, but feel Islam has done nothing to apologize for! To them, the terrorists have no more to do with Islam than most Christians feel Tim McVey and Eric Rudolph have to do with the message of Christ!I have heard Bin Laden cussed out so bad in Arabic that my host was hesitant to translate it!They aren’t flying with the crows- YOU just refuse to see the difference!
Interesting read on what the Muslims in London think about all these attacks:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/23/npoll23.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/23/ixnewstop.html
JedI appreciate your post. I work for a large corparation in a large office, attend a large Christain church, attend concerts and sporting events but don’t have any Muslim friends or aquaintences. I suspect there are many Muslims not fully supportive of their fundamentalist brothers.But where is CAIR ? They are one of the recognized mouth pieces for American Muslims, as well as Louis Farekan. I don’t hear much from them.
As Christians, we are not shy to distance ourselves from Fred Phelps and the groups that bomb abortion clinics. We have openly apologised for their actions and anounced to the world that although we do not believe in abortion, we clearly stand against these measures.
I believe that we as Christian Americans, Muslim Americans and any other type of Americans need to stand together against people and groups that threaten our way of life. We should be Americans first and then Christians and Muslims in this fight.
If Arab americans want to stay above suspician, I think they must work much harder to convince me that they do not support the mad mullahs plans to plant the muslim flag at 10 Downing Street or the US Capital.
James,Yeah, and if christians want to stay above suspicion, they must work much harder to convince me that they don’t support the theocrats who want to christianize every government on earth!
Not the governments Jed, the people.
Then what are all these organizations doing, making sure that all branches of government are dominated by their kind of people, and all laws passed, and all decisions handed down are in accordance with their religious doctrines, which are not shared my a great many people here. Since the basic principles of democracy are at odds with a strict reading of religious heirarchy, we who believe in a constitutional democracy are somewhat worried as to your intent. We’ve had theocracies before, and they’ve been unmitigated disasters, every one!
Nathan, there are many ladders to God, thinking you have the only answer to salvation is arrogant and demeaning to the rest of the world. You have a right to your beliefs, but you need to show respect for others whose beliefs are different than yours, who knows, you may even learn something that will help you grow and mature in your own faith.
Oooohh, I know I’m going to get my head blown off here, and I hate being in a position that sounds like I agree with Nathan, but on this, I do.
Damoon, there’s only one way to salvation, and it’s through Jesus Christ.
I’m sorry if that sounds arrogant or demeaning…I don’t mean for it to, and I mean no disrespect, but the only way to our Lord is through his Son, Jesus.
Nathan, If I get one smart crack out of you, I’ll take your F-ing head.
Hey Hammer,If you believe the way to salvation is through Jesus, I’ll respect that, but it seems to me that with the vast number of Christian sects, there must be many ways to Jesus. As a non-Christian, I just wish you all would admit that and quit all this fighting over whose way is the true one! If you did, then maybe you’d feel secure enough to not need political dominance so much!
Damoon,
I can see that you are an adherent to postmodernism.
Unfortunately you are saying something that not even those you are defending believe is true.
Only a few religions actually accept the “many ladders to God” approach.
Almost every predominant faith claims to have the only way to God.
It is not just Christianity.
The logic you use can be flipped around just as easily as you use it to label me. Watch:
Damoon, there are not many ladders to God, thinking there are many paths leading to salvation is arrogant and demeaning to the rest of the Christians. You have a right to your beliefs, but you need to show respect for Christians whose beliefs are different than yours.
If simply believing that Jesus is the only way to God is disrespectful to you and others then why is it not disrespectful to me that you reject Christ as the only path to God?
That is the problem with postmodern thought Damoon. I am surprised you didn’t throw in the “tolerance” word. I will be waiting for that one in eager anticipation.
Hammer,
We may have our political differences, but those mean nothing in the end compared to our faith in Christ.
God Bless
Jed,
The difference between many of what you call Christian “sects” is not our faith in Christ, but in doctirnal differences ranging from Baptism to Communion.
Jed, I’m glad you brought that up, my friend. You see, I’m a non-denominational Christian, and I may have a bigger arguement with “Christian Sects” than you do. I appreciate your respect for my beliefs and though I’d love to see you convert to my way of thinking, I wouldn’t think of trying to force my beliefs on you. You see, I’m a liberal Mainstream Christian.
“there must be many ways to Jesus. As a non-Christian, I just wish you all would admit that and quit all this fighting over whose way is the true one!”
Jed, there are indeed many ways to Jesus. You hit the mark about fighting over which way is the true way. Those of us on the Christian Left believe that, and further believe that Christianity is a personal thing, and not something where we should get into shouting matches over who’s the better Christian. It’s also the reason we need to fight for the continued seperation of church and state. A hypothetical question: If religion did take over our government, which denomination would become the official “State” religion? Now that conjures some scary thoughts, doesn’t it? Would we be forced to kiss rattlesnakes as a requirement of our worship? Would we want to submit to Nathan’s rigid and hateful form of Christianity? I hope not.
Jed, there are many “flavors” of Christianity. I happen to believe in a just, forgiving, and loving God. He must love us if he sent his only Son to die for us.
Your situation; I’d love to show you the way to Christ, but if you’re not ready for that, my attempt would not only be unsuccessful, it would probably anger you (rightly so), and it would “poison the field” so to speak, for some future time when you may be more receptive. Still, I hope you won’t be offended if I pray for you. Not an act of superiority, just what a Christian does for a respected friend.
America is made up of many different religions, denominations, and beliefs, and that’s the best reason to keep religion out of government. America is for all Americans, not just Christians.
Jed, please don’t judge all Christians by the antics of the far right wingnut fundamentalists. The teachings of Christianity without the trappings of dogmatic denominations is a good thing and a pattern on which to base our lives. I think Christ would have been a Liberal. If you’re a Liberal, you care for your fellow man, you have mercy on those less fortunate, you believe in personal dignity. My friend, those are Christian traits, even if you’re not a Christian. Don’t make the mistake conservatives make. There are good Christians on the left. We just don’t see any reason to rub your nose in it.
Please don’t think me a “Bible Thumper”…as you can see by my posts, I’m not. But I also don’t run away from professing my faith when required or asked.
Respect, my friend,
Hammer
The Lord be with you too, Nathan. While our religious beliefs probably clash as hard as our politics, ultimately, we both see the way.God bless
Hammer,
Well, I was not going to start anything upon your request…
But then you had to say this:
“Would we want to submit to Nathan’s rigid and hateful form of Christianity?”
I only quote God’s word. If you disagree with what it says then that has nothing to do with me.
If you think I am not interpreting it correctly, then by all means please show me yours.
I always love the “non-denominational” lingo. By saying you are “non-denominational” you are in fact a denomination. Just one that is called “non-denominational” LOL
Nathan, I retract the word “hateful” and appoligize. That was a poor choice of words.
Hey Hammer,I appreciate your post! Yes, I know that many if not most Christians are much closer to you than to people like Nathan. The problem I’m trying to address though, is that the extremists are claiming all Christians as supporters, and making it stick, because too many mainstreamers seem to be afraid to call them on it. Why, I’m not sure, but they end up making the lot of you look pretty bad! I do have a number of friends who identify as Christian, even some who are evangelical, and they for some reason seem to accept me as a decent person, and let it go at that. It’s the ones who don’t who tend to get my goat, and the ones who threaten me with hellfire, guns and bombs, for my stands on issues dear to their hearts, are the ones I go after with a vengeance! I do wish I had a bit more support from you moderates, but whatever, I intend to carry on as usual! Oh, and don’t worry about my need for conversion- I’m quite happy the way I am!
Jed, I wish I could dissagree with you, but sadly, I can’t.
“The problem I’m trying to address though, is that the extremists are claiming all Christians as supporters, and making it stick, because too many mainstreamers seem to be afraid to call them on it.”
Jed, this irritates the hell out of me, too. I don’t know why mainstream Christians don’t stand up to some of these over-righteous thugs. I personally won’t put up with that crap. But part of the fault lies with the Democratic Party itself. The party has allowed itself to be defined as the non-Christian party by the GOP, and nothing could be farther from the truth. As an example, the religious right uses abortion as proof that those on the left are non-Christian heathen. I assure you I’m dead against abortion. But there are exceptions. I don’t expect a woman to die to carry a child full-term. I realize that there are too many reasons and variables for me to stick my nose into what is a private issue between a woman and her doctor. And left-wing Christians don’t want to see fundamentalists dictating such a sensitive issue.
The Democratic Party needs to work on it’s image. There’s a radical fringe on the far left that’s just as bad as the coresponding right-wingnuts, and has managed to paint us as not sensitive to Christian issues, or Athiest.
While those of us in the mainstream see the point, issues like school prayer and “in God we trust” make us very uncomfortable. When the ACLU files a lawsuit against some city government over a nativity scene, I grind my teeth.
Jed, base your judgment of Christians on your Christian friends. They’re the true representitives of the faith, not the right-wing radicals that threaten you with hellfire. Jesus was a man of peace, and those on the right who justify war with religion bastardize the faith. There’s nothing Christian about killing innocents.
” Oh, and don’t worry about my need for conversion- I’m quite happy the way I am!”
Jed, having read your posts, I draw the same conclusion as your friends, I find you a decent person.
” I do wish I had a bit more support from you moderates”
Jed, you do have our hearty support. But you must remember, we mainstreamers don’t use the tactics of the right. To a true Christian, our faith is a shield, not a sword to use for attack. Christian faith and values are defined by how you live your life, not how loudly you can holler. I can’t convert anybody by shouting at them. I may be able to by setting an example. And it surely does no good for Christians to set ourselves up as being somehow better than our non-Christian brothers and sistere (I hope I haven’t given you that impression). We need to concentrate on the issues that unite us.
In closing, a comment.
We were all non-Christian before we became Christians. Something changes that. I pray that someday, you find that “something”. But like your friends, I’ll never try to force it on you. You have the right to find your own way in life.
Judas was innocent! He never mentioned Christ by name. All he did was kiss him on the cheek.
From the article Nathan posted:”
“A substantial majority, 56 per cent, say that, whether or not they sympathise with the bombers, they can at least understand why some people might want to behave in this way.”
Oh yes, these horrible hatemongers, how dare they at least even venture to guess why these people act they way they do? Trying to see the issue objectively automatically makes them as bad as terrorists. Bomb the mosques! These people understand nothing but death!
(I do hope the sarcasm was picked up–it’s a little hard to convey via text.)
Hammer,Hey, thanks! I needed that!On a personal level, I do take my view of Christianity from my friends, I just recognize that Christianity is being used very successfully for political gain, with the intent of forcing principles on the country that totally fail people, in a way that will eventually destroy us. If I use a broad brush, it’s with the intent of motivating the moderates to fight. OK?Regarding your shield but not the sword, I’m afraid you may need both to shut down a few of those jokers who need shutting down fast! Your faith is in grave danger of being taken over and defined by hatemongers and bigots! If that happens, it may be bad news for all of us. Eventually, I know we’ll win out, but the short term promises to be murder. I’d really like to avoid as much of that as possible.Thanks again!
Snidely Whiplash? come on!
Jed, not only my religion, but our country are in danger of take-over.We’re all in this together, bro.
Oh, by the way Jed, I read your post on the other thread about being an escort. If we truly are judged by the good we do, you’re in good shape in my book.
Hammer
Hammer,
Judged by the good we do? Are you saying that good works leads to salvation?
Nathan, re-read the post.
When I said there are many ladders to God, what I meant was that no one religion is any better than another. It’s all the same, a formula for salvation and eternal life. I think Buddhisim, Judaism, Hinduism, Paganism, Islam, etc. are just as valid as Chritianity, and they all believe they know the one true way. Religion was invented by man to deal with his mortality and to encourage civilized behavior. “Flipping my logic” doesn’t work because I respect other people’s right to believe as they choose so long as they cause no harm to their fellow man, while all you do is belittle those who don’t agree with you. Humility is a virtue, Nathan, open your eyes, you might learn a thing or two. John Lennon said it well, “The more I see, the less I know for sure”.
If learning a thing or two includes my rejection of God’s word and my faith in Christ then I will be happy right where I am.
Damoon, I respect your opinion, but how do you get around the confrontation between religions? There is no common level, no central point. As a Christian, I firmly and unquestionably believe that there’s only one way to salvation. It’s the same with any believer of Buddhisim, Judaism, Hinduism, Paganism, Islam, etc. How do we get past that? While I don’t deny other religions a place on the planet (like some of our evangelical friends), I don’t see any common ground.
I’m really not trying to be snarky here, but I truly believe that if you’re not a Christian, you’re in deep poop come Judgment Day.
By the way, Damoon, I have some opinions about Dogmatisim that I think might come very close to your assertion, “Religion was invented by man to deal with his mortality and to encourage civilized behavior.”Love to discuss it with you sometime. (And I mean discuss, not argue)
Nah. Hinduism, Buddhist and Paganism don’t share the “Believe in my God or you’re going to hell” doctrine.I do respect that the one of the very tenants of the Christian faith is the belief that Jesus is the only way to salvation, and all other paths are false. If you don’t agree with that, then you’re not truly Chistian. I got no beef with that.It just sucks how that concept is often used to breed hate.
I stand corrected, Tara. I’m not even sure I believe in Hell, at least in the accepted sense.We’ll probably kill each other off eventually over religion.
Hammer, don’t worry about me come judgment day. Your responsibility lies with living your values to the best of your ability to make the world a better place. I’m an outsider looking in, and I see more simiality between religions than differences. If people only lived the lessons instead of using them as weapons against each other, the world would be a great place, but we just haven’t evolved far enough for that yet. Nathan, looking at and examining other belief systems doesn’t mean your rejecting your own beliefs, it just means you are trying to understand your fellow man a little better. Better understanding leads to personal growth and better harmony with others, that’s all. I respect your right to believe as you do, but I also believe I have the right to believe as I do without getting slammed for it.
Damoon, I hope I haven’t said anything that you consider a personal “slam”. If I have, please accept my abject appoligy.
Damoon,
I believe the only time I started to “slam” your beliefs is when you started to try and tell me what the scripture says and what Jesus said and what Christianity should be.
I “understand” other belief systems just fine. I have studied many of them.
Nathan, maybe you should change your style. Yelling at, belittling people who don’t believe as you do, and beating them over the head with your peculiar brand of Christianity is counter-productive. You’ll never show the way to someone you’ve pissed off. You have a great talent for pissing people off.
Ask yourself:Does Jesus want you to win arguments, or bring converts to His house?
Good point Hammer, but Nathan can’t see the forest for the trees, after all he believes he has the market cornered on Christianity. He reminds me of a character in a Woody Allen film who said “I didn’t create the universe, I merely explain it”.No apology needed Hammer, I’d love to discuss dogma with you sometime, I’m sure I could learn something.
Damoon, I doubt if I’m going to teach you anything, but considering one of your earlier comments, I bet we can have an entertaining conversation. Consider:
Parallels between the beginnings of Christianity as an established religion and the formation of a political party.Was Dogmatic Christianity packaged for mass consumption?
Hammer,
I treat those who are “seeking” the truth much differently than those perverting the word of God.
When I see someone perverting the word of God and using the scripture in error I will correct them.
No different than Jesus in the temple.
There is a time for sharing the gospel and there is a time for showing someone the error of their way.
If the truth upsets them, then so be it.
Damoon,
There you go again… you make it difficult for me to try to be as polite as possible when you keep saying things like:
“after all he believes he has the market cornered on Christianity.”
I don’t believe that at all.
What I do believe is that you pick and choose what you want from the scripture to support your already existing world view.
You compare yourself to Jesus in the temple?
“When I see someone perverting the word of God and using the scripture in error I will correct them.”
Based on what?
Hammer,
Based upon the scripture.
Correction: Based on your interpretation of the scripture.
Hammer,
I see. Lets look at the scripture then.
You accuse me that what I am doing is wrong.
Lets see you use scripture to back it up.
Show me where I accused you of anything. If you feel guilt, it’s your problem. Paranoid little snip, aren’t you?
Then what is wrong with my interpretation of the scripture?
What’s wrong Hammer? Not up to par with your scriptural knowledge?
It’s not your interpretation, it’s the way you use it to beat people over the head. You don’t use scripture for what it was intended; you use it to agrandize yourself. Scripture is to glorify God, not Nathan. So are you going to chalenge me to a scripture contest? To prove you’re “better”? Is that what scripture means for you?
Hammer,
I just don’t think you know what you are talking about is all. Nothing to glorify myself.
Should we as Christians tell people they are wrong when they are perverting the scripture?
And I maintain that you use scripture as a weapon.
I maintain that you have no idea what you are talking about.
And I maintain that you’ve pissed off everybody you’ve discussed religion with. Is that what it’s all about? You don’t show anybody the way. You just hold yourself out as somehow a better Christian. I dispute that. You may be able to spout off about scripture, but you don’t have any idea what it’s about.
Who specifically have I pissed off?
3 people who already openly say they don’t believe in Christ and are not seeking him?
3 people who are doing nothing more than qouting the scripture to attack Christians and Christianity?
If those are the people I have pissed off by doing nothing more than correcting them, then so be it!
I don’t know what kind of Christianity you practice, but I actually believe the word of God and when others are doing nothing more than purposefully being deceiptful and perverting the scripture I will correct them.
Call it what you want Hammer.
You dont know me. You have never met me. You have the slightest clue as to what I do when I am not typing on this blog to further the love of Christ.
Besides, you are one to be talking, when you have done nothing but try to attack me personally since you have been here.
I suggest you spend more time reading the scripture and less time worrying about me defending it.
EEewwwww! Did I hit a nerve?
How are you going to show anybody the way if all you do is piss them off? You can’t carry on a discussion without pissing someone off.No, I’ve never met you, thank God.I don’t know you? I know your kind.
You said:”Besides, you are one to be talking, when you have done nothing but try to attack me personally since you have been here.”
You’re the reason I’m here.
“You have the slightest clue as to what I do when I am not typing on this blog to further the love of Christ.”
Does it include dicipline or punishment? You can’t be doing much else because you’re on this blog all the time.
You should try to find a girlfriend or something. Sitting in your mother’s basement in front of the computer all the time can’t be healthy.
Hammer,
LOL. The irony of you telling me that I am on here all the time…
Just maybe, someone as computer smart as you would understand that there are computers all over the place.
The office, The Home, etc…
Maybe you spend all of your time in the basement, but don’t think that is where everyone else is when they are online.
Does your boss know how you’re using the company’s computer?
I am the boss, yes I know.
Damn, we got something in common. Might as well go kill myself now.
Yes, Nathan, since you see yourself as God’s interpeter on this blog, I do believe that you believe that you alone have cornered the market on Christanity. The bible has been interpeted many times throughout history, how do you know for sure the way you interpet it is the true way it was meant to be interpeted? What proof do you have that you are correct in your interpetations of scripture? Does God whisper in your ear or did you live a former life as one of the apostles? I’m wondering what qualifies you as such an expert on Christianity, especially since different Christian religions (Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, etc, etc, etc.) have different interpetations of scripture and therefore, different beliefs and practices. Do you think other Christians “pervert the scripture” because they don’t interpet scripture the way you do?”When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility, comes wisdom”. You might try a little humility sometime, it’s what Jesus would want you to do.
PS And you DON’T pick and choose scripture to justify your world view?!? LOL!!!!!!
Bingo Damoon! But you got my ace in the hole, LOL. The Bible has been translated MANY times, and King James may not have been a straight up guy (everybody’s favorite version). We need do no more than read the footnotes in the Bible. In a number of places it says: ” An exact translation of this passage from the original Hebrew does not exist”.I have a Bible that was printed in 1903. I also have one printed in the 80’s. There are differences. While I have no doubt that the insperation came from God, I believe the Bible is a guide, and obviously, it’s open to interpretation. You only have to look at Fred Phelps, Rev Fox, or Nathan. All can quote scripture from the bible, all see it differently.
Our evangelical “friend” needs to read about the 7 deadly sins. Pride is the first among them.
“Pride is excessive belief in one’s own abilities, that interferes with the individual’s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.”
I’d say that covers it.
Damoon,
You have no idea what Jesus would want me to do. You reject his divinity. You only choose his teachings that suit you.
If you are so sure of what he wants me to do then please tell me what verse to read. What about those verses where he clearly tells us to have faith in God?
Do you do that Damoon? Pick and choose, pick and choose…
I will show you the verses where he claims to not only be the Son of God, but God himself.
The verses you choose to ignore so you can sit here choosing the ones you like to throw in Christians faces to try and make them look bad.
So, please show me the scripture Damoon.
I have already proved to you twice now that you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to the scripture.
Yet here you are still trying to tell me what Jesus would do?
Jesus would seek God daily in prayer, Jesus would teach others to have faith in his return, to have faith in him.
Do you do those things Damoon?
Or did you decide to just skip all those verses till you found “blessed are the peacemakers” or “he who lives by the sword dies by the sword?”
Don’t even try to talk to me about picking and choosing. You throw out the entire Bible and hold onto a couple of verses that you can throw around. Yet I have Hammer here talking to me about using the scripture as a sword instead of a shield?
Hammer,
If my telling the truth about the scripture is pride in your eyes, I will let Jesus be the judge of that.
I have no doubt in my mind that what I am doing is not pride, but this is nothing more than you trying to be the best member of my fan club.
Don’t worry Hammer, you are in the lead.
Damoon,
Allow me to answer some of your questions:
“how do you know for sure the way you interpet it is the true way it was meant to be interpeted?”
Study. There are some things that are “open” to interpretation that no one can be 100% for sure on except for their own convictions. Things like tribulation, the rapture, how Christ will return, etc…etc…
Most of what is written is clear in it’s meaning and there are not 100 different ways to make any particular verse say what you want it to.
So far, you and I have only looked at a couple of verses, all of which I have shown you how you are wrong.
You can tell me that the sky is purple and that is your interpretation of things, but the sky is blue.
“What proof do you have that you are correct in your interpetations of scripture?”
It is not an interpretation 98% of the time. It is clearly written. I don’t have to interpret it.
“Does God whisper in your ear or did you live a former life as one of the apostles?”
Why yes, God does speak to me in many ways, not whispering in my ear though. I don’t have to live a former life as one of the apostles when I can clearly read about them!
“Do you think other Christians “pervert the scripture” because they don’t interpet scripture the way you do?”
Yes I do. I have had conversations with a few. I don’t think it has anything to do with their “interpretation” rather their complete disregard for what the scripture clearly says.
“You might try a little humility sometime”
If by Humility you mean actually believing the things you try to say about the scripture, then I want no part of it.
Mother Theresa once said “If you think your salvation is assured, then you’re not humble enough to go to heaven”, that is why she never thought she deserved to go to heaven, and yes, at times she even questioned the exsistance of God. I’d much rather use her as an example of how to live my life rather than some arrogant fundamentalist who thinks they have all the answers. You’re not being honest with yourself, Nathan, because you don’t truly follow the scriptures. You “pick and choose” more than anyone on this blog. I believe Jesus loved humility and that he was a man of peace, if to you that means I’m “perverting the scripture” than you really are lost. I’ll venture to say that I really touched a nerve by the flavor of your reply. How have you “proven” me wrong about anything? Just because you say you’re right and I’m wrong doesn’t make it so.
Damoon,
I see you are still ignoring the divinity of Jesus.
I have shown how you pick and choose, you have yet to show me how I do it.
Live your life however you want to by whatever example you want.
Don’t tell me that I am not following Jesus when you don’t even believe what he says or at least only believe the things you like that he said.
I also believe that:
“Jesus loved humility and that he was a man of peace”
I also believe that Jesus is the son of God sent to die for our sins.
Do you?
I also believe that Jesus is God.
Do you?
I also believe that Jesus will return again and cast judgement on the world.
Do you?
Those are all things Jesus said along with “Blessed are the peacemakers”
So why don’t you believe those verses?
Why do you pick and choose?
You think you can still tell me that I pick and choose the most on this blog?
You are the one who needs to be Honest with yourself Damoon, not me.You keep saying I dont follow the scripture, then show me.
Like I said Damoon, you only use the scripture to attack Christians and Christianity becuase you dont accept it.
If arrogance is pointing out to you your complete disregard for what the Bible says, except for those few verses which suit you, than I guess I am arrogant.
Hey Nathan,So Jesus, being divine, is your drill sgt., and you do what he says without thinking or coming to your own conclusions? Yeah, sounds like the perfect recipe for avoiding responsibility. Jesus said it, not me! I was only following orders! Didn’t wash at Nuremburg, won’t wash here!
NathanYes,Yes I have,OK I will,I can if I want,No,No,No,Because I don’t,Because I can,Yes,I am,You don’t 100%Yes, I do point out hypocracy,Yes you are.