He didn’t mind the ideologues when they voted for him

"I hope the United States Senate conducts themselves in a way that brings dignity to the process and that the senators don’t listen to the special interest groups, particularly those on the extremes that are trying to exploit this opportunity for not only . . . what they may think is right but also for their own fundraising capabilities."
— President Bush on filling the Supreme Court vacancy.
Good luck with that. Right- and left-wing ideology is big money.
Posted by Phillip Brownlee

66 Comments

  1. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Bush proves himself to be both a hypocrite and a liar. Apparently, he’s too stupid to understand that he’s making a fool out of himself. My kids, when they were little, used to put their hands covering their faces and say: “You can’t see me now.” However, unlike Bush, they soon grew out of that.

  2. Gary C.
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Bush is a Joke of President!!

    The fact he got re-elected just really boggles my mind. We are we going as a society when we put somebody like this in charge not once, but twice?

    I have never heard a good explanation as to why hes such a good leader.

    Now dont go screamin that biased liberal democrat nonsense!

    I would have voted for McCain if I was ever given the chance.

  3. Nathan
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Exactly how is Bush both a hypocrite and a liar?

  4. Joe
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    No, no liberal democrat nonsense.Terrorist rule number 10, “infiltrate American Blogs with as much pro terrorist garbage as possible”. Rule 11 is Bash Bush.

  5. flike
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, assuming that Gary is not Ed, I think your question is kinda loaded. Or do you really think those who view Bush with a critical eye get together and plan their questions? :)

    You should ask, “Exactly how is Bush either a liar or a hypocrite?”

    But my guess is that you’ll get TONS of correct answers to that one… ;)

    The key takeaway, imo, from Philip’s pretty darn provocative post is that sometimes, even though we know he’s a politician, the BS from these guys – both parties are guilty – becomes just too much to swallow sans complaint.

  6. Hank Price
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mr. Brownlee,

    That’s it? One of the most important decisions that President Bush will make during his term of office and you are incapable of making an intelligent or coherent comment.

    Renquist will retire this week also, then what? We’re going to see how ignorant and vicious the left wing nitwits in the Senate can really be.

    Thanks

    Hank

  7. Darrell Duncan
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Gary,

    I am laughing out load, you would vote for McCain to prove your not a biased liberal. McCain is far from what I would consider conservative and is about as antiamerican as you can get.

  8. Joe Williams
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    The liberals will fight hard not to lose the court. But they will!

  9. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    This isn’t about conservatives or liberals.

    George W. Bush thinks that he has been sent by God to clear out the Holy Lands in preparation for the second coming of Jesus.

    Ask any evangelical who stood in line, giving him enough electoral votes to be elected. He’s a Christian who happens to like to murder peopleand somewhere in that dungeon brain of his, he thinks God is telling him it’s OK.

    Ariel Sharon, who planted that idea is meanwhile laughing up his sleeve, while bulldozing away, dreaming of the oil fields of Iraq. I saw the blueprints for two oil pipelines from Iraq through Syria to Israel. The Russians know what Sharon is up to and Putin has given Syria ground to air missiles. Putin is also backing-up Iran to keep Israel in line. Bush will probably go down in history as the man whose “nuttiness” destroyed the United States.

  10. Hank Price
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Dear Ed,

    It is only about liberals and conservatives. I’m a conservative. GWB is my president. I worked to get him elected. I donated to his campaign. We won the election and Bush gets to nominate a replacement for Renquist and O’Conner. Get over it.

    Hank

    PS Thanks for getting Sharon back in your posts, I thought you were sick for a while.

  11. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Dear Hank, If you were truly a conservative, Bush’s lies about attacking Iraq, and driving this country into bankruptcy would be enough for you to call for his resignation.

    Bush is not a conservative President.

    The smug remark about Sharon signals these things: Either you’re not very bright, unaware of foreign policy, or a Zionist supporter trying to protect Israeli aggression.

    If I’m “sick,” ole partner, you’re on death’s door.

    Israel has been murdering Palestinians for 60 years, but Bush’s crusade threatens every Muslim in the world. They number over 1 billion, so for the sake of rest of the blog, and America, we need to find a peaceful solution for the expected retaliation of this murderous neocon crusade.

    Get real.

  12. Hank
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Dear Ed,

    I agree with you, I don’t think GWB is a conservative president, at least not in the same sense that I’m a conservative. However, he’s the closest thing to a conservative we’ve been able to vote for since Reagan.

    As far as my “smug remark” goes and given the limited choices you have given me to choose from, I guess you would have to say I am a Zionist supporter. I am pretty smart, well read, quite a conversationalist and well liked by my friends. I am also pretty aware of our foriegn policy. It’s rather refreshing to have one again after eight years of Clinton, don’t you think? So that leaves me as a Zionist supporter. Name me one thing wrong with that. I am rather proud of the fact!

    As far as a peaceful solution goes, a large stack of dead, murderous, insane jihadists would be a rather peaceful solution.

    Hank

  13. Nathan
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    You know what is missing from all of your posts?

    Any evidence to back up this supposed link between Bush and Sharon where Sharon is telling him what to do.

    What I dont seem to understand is that if Israel wanted to just kill innocent Palestinians they could easly just march their army right across the Gaza Strip and kill every last one of them.

    So if they are such a blood thirsty murderous mob then what is stopping them from doing so?

    How is Bush a murderer?

    You throw all these accusations out, but fail to ever supply any evidence to back it up.

  14. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Dear Hank,

    I’m also a conservative and worked hard to help GWB get elected. I had no idea that he was nothing more than a stupid ex-drunk, soaked in mind-twisting fundamental religion.

    As far as Zionism is concerned, it is nothing more than Nazism, wearing a different name. I’m not suggesting that you’re a Nazi, but Zionism is secular, with only one single goal: World conquest.

    A 20 Megaton “H” leaves a hole in the ground 250 ft. deep and 6500 ft. in diameter. {one mile is 5280 ft. } The Hiroshima Bomb was less than 1 megaton.

    Edward Teller was in California watching a seismograph, and although that “H” imploded half way around the world, he able to watched the needle register. It moved the earth.

    Prime Minster Rabin of Israel had a solution for the Palestinian/Israeli war, and the Zionist murdered him.

    One Polaris Nuclear Submarine carries 25 ICBMs each with 10 multiple warheads between 20 and 100 megatons. The Russian have stockpiles of these weapons.

    We do not have any other choice than peaceful coexistence with the entire world. We can not allow Israel’s Likuds to take us down with them. The Muslims have a credible concern about Bush’s crusade.

    Think about it.

    Best, Ed

  15. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Nathan.

    If you choose not to believe what I write then disregard it. I’m not going to give you an education.

    Best, Ed

  16. Judge Jones
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Joe is right. Friedemann is most probably just another islamofascist agent using taqiyya to spread lies and disinformation.

  17. Hank Price
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Dear Ed,

    I’m not quite sure what all of your blather about H bombs has to do with anything. I do, however, have a pretty good knowledge of H bombs, Polaris submarines, yields of the warheads and the potential damage they can do. You sir, are factually incorrect on every one of your statements!

    If your knowledge of the Israelis is no better than your knowledge of our submarine ballistic missle deterrent force then you know nadda.

    I would ask you to think about it, but you need to do a little research first.

    Fondly,

    Hank

  18. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Hank, Perhaps you could enlighten us all about your 3 diesel powered submarines the Zionists purchased from Germany? And the cruise missiles fitted into the torpedo tubes? Are they nuclear-tipped? Enthrall me with your accruement.

  19. Hank Price
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Dear Ed,

    I could enlighten you. I actually know quite a bit about the diesel submarines that the Germans are building and selling to whomever. At a time when our Congress is threatening to close down our submarine bases and shipyards the rest of the world is increasing their submarine capablity.

    I am a lot more worried about the fact that Red China has the capability of bulding their own diesel subs and they are building them at a rate of about nine a year.

    The United states now ranks fourth in the number of submarines. It is Russia, (although a lot of theirs are not seaworthy) Disney Land, China and the US.

    At least, Israel is our ally! And yes I do know the capability of their cruise missles, I just don’t want the Mossad after me if I tell you.

    Fondly,

    Hank

    PS Enthrall? Accruement? Are you using your thesaurus again? (written smugly)

  20. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Pogo said: “We have met the enemy, and they are us.”

  21. Hank Price
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    I can’t argue with Pogo.

    Hank

  22. Nathan
    Posted July 8, 2005 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    We cant argue much with Ed either since he doesnt give us any evidence to argue against.

    I dont understand how someone is willing to take enough time out of their day to post here, but then when asked to show evidence they reply:

    “I’m not going to give you an education.”

    Then what exactly is your purpose here Ed? Why even bother posting then?

  23. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Nathan, At some point, when you receive information, you’ll need to verify it from another source that you feel you can trust. That’s what I do. Unless I’m satisfied that the information is accurate, I don’t offer it.

    Evidently, you don’t want to believe that Bush’s decisions are being controlled by Ariel Sharon, and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise. That you need to research yourself. ……….Ed

  24. Tricia T.
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    Ed F., I have four easy questions for you.

    1. What international body approved the creation of Israel in its Resolution 181?

    2. What countries attacked and invaded Israel the day after Israel became a nation in 1948 as approved by UN resolution 181?

    3. What regional organization declared its intention, just prior to that 1948 war, to destroy Israel by waging “a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”

    4. What three countries kept lands in Palestine after the end of that 1948 war?

  25. Nathan
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Ed,

    I see you still are unable to muster up any factual evidence to support your Sharon-Bush link.

    I know you cant. That is why I ask.

    It shows your inability to do so and only furthers my point that you dont know what you are talking about.

    Thank you once again.

  26. Bing
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Boy, you folks sure like to talk a lot about wars and how Our Great President started a war with Iraq even though that wasn’t what this page was about. I thought it was about how Our Great President Bush was going to pick a judge who’d be on the same side as us conservatives and teach those liberals a lesson. But then I got confused about half way down.Ed you keep talking about them Zionistes.Who are they? I thought there was just Jews and Arabs living in the mideast. But you sure do know a lot about submarines. I like submarines.ms Tricia I know the answer to your first question. It was the UN! And even though I don’t know the answer to number 2, I bet they was Arabs. I didn’t really understand question number 3 because of all those commas.Can you give me a hint on that last one? I sure hope we wasn’t one of those countries. I’ve seen where those Palistine folks live on TV and I don’t know why anybody would want to live there. Those folks sure are messy with their country. Looks to me like theres junk everywhere. I always thought Uncle Sid’s place was messy what with those junk washing machines and that old Buick sitting in the front yard with no tires. But you’d think those Palistine people would take a little time and clean up those blown up buildings and burnt cars.Boy that Nathan guy sure can write good and I don’t care what Mom says about him.

  27. CF
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    So, Nathan dares to show his punk-ass here again after running away from the arguments I put out there for him to comment on? And he whimpers that someone is refusing to provide documentation?

    Go back to your hole, troll.

  28. Edna
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    CF, your comments remain absolutely pathetic. Nothing animates you but anger. Your ideas are bankrupt, your comments are adolescent gibberish, and your entertainment value faded long ago.

  29. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Tricia T, Your quiz is such a blunt tool. Soliciting pro-Zionist answers to loaded questions to so typical of Israeli propaganda as to be insulting. In lawyer land the parallel question is: Have you stopped beating your wife? So let’s play: Tell why the Zionists massacred the villagers at Deir Yassin? Why did they use Nazi tactics of collective punishment on the Palestinians by bulldozing their homes in the wee hours of the mornings with the Palestinians still inside.Enlighten as to why the Zionists have violated every UN resolution and used the United States single veto to block others. That’s just for openers.

  30. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, Stop whining and offer a counter factual argument.

  31. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Edna, I take it that you disapprove of CF? Naughty, naughty.

  32. Tricia T.
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Ed, You won’t answer my questions because they point to your entirely one-sided position against Israel.

    The answers are:1. The UN created Israel by its Resolution 181, passed on Nov. 27, 1947. Israel declared itself a nation on May 14, 1948. [By the way, the UN also created an Arab state in the rest of Palestine in its Resolution 181, but the Arab Palestinians just blew it off because the surrounding Arab states wanted to carve up Palestine (including the part that Israel had) for themselves.

    2. Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon attacked Israel almost immediately after Israel became a nation, even though Israel’s right to exist had been approved by a vote of the UN.

    3. On May 15, 1948, the head of the (neither ecumenical, nor politically correct, nor multiculturalist, nor humanitarian) Arab League announced the Arab League’s intention to destroy Israel by waging “a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”

    4. Jordan, Egypt and Israel kept the lands they took during the 1948 war. Many Palestinian refugees came from the lands that Jordan and Egypt kept.

    Mr. Ed, another blogger has concluded somewhere else that you are actually one of those “peace loving” jihadists trying to spread endless lies through the jihadist propaganda network. That is looking more likely with each of your posts.

    You rant without any proof of any kind. I present simple, easily verifiable facts. I don’t care to dignify your brand of antagonistic calumny with any more of my time; but I might decide to obliterate your one-sided rant about Deir Yassin later.

  33. A-non
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Oh this is too much! some twit has gotten into a flame war with “Bing” over on the “London Attacks” page. I’m about to fall out of my chair!

  34. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Tricia,

    I support the right of Israel to live in peace. God knows they needed a homeland in 1945 after the atrocities committed by Adolph Hitler. I helped burn an effigy of that monster, hanging from a light-post in Brooklyn NY.

    The problem now, as I see it, is the right-wing in Israel will not make peace with the Arabs, while the liberals in Israel are in favor. The history of the acquisition of land for Israel was murderous and messy, and, in hindsight, could have been handled properly. If so, the problems we’re all facing now would be much easier to solve.

    There are always two sides to any issue and rigidity and either side is not helpful.

    This world is too small and the weapons are too big, not exhaust every effort to find peace.

  35. CF
    Posted July 9, 2005 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Edna,

    Thanks for the encouragement! I’ll keep up the good work!

  36. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Tricia, The massacre at Deir Yassin is historical fact and all of the Zionist lies will not make that go away. http://www.deiryassin.org/

  37. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Nathan. You asked for proof about Ariel Sharon. Take your pick. the BBC in London is credible.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2255902.stm

    http://indictsharon.net/press/index.shtml

  38. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Did Israel plant bombs in London? It sure looks that way.

    http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2005/070705standstogain.htm

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-07-israel-londonblasts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

  39. Nathan
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    That is all lovely and all. I was not asking about Sharon and what he is accused of doing.

    I was asking for proof about this supposed link between Sharon and Bush which you keep talking about.

    The one where you say Sharon is controlling Bush.

    I still dont see anything to support that and that is what I asked for.

    Thanks for the links though, at least it shows you are trying…

  40. Edna
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Hey, everybody, Ed says the BBC is credible!

    BWAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA…! ! ! ! !

  41. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, You need to look this up, I’m tired. Example one: Bush said: “The road map peace plan calls for the Israelis to move all settlements out of the West Bank, back across the green line to the pre 1967 borders.” Sharon makes one of ten trips to the White House. Sharon talks to Bush, then Bush comes out into the rose garden and says: ” Due to “Facts on the ground” Israel can keep settlements in the West Bank.”

    Keeping those settlements in the West Bank is a direct violation of international law. The United States has never violated international law.

  42. Edna
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Ed,Those were two great links — one link goes to a “everything on earth, including your mother, is a conspiracy website” run by some drug-addled whackos, and the other link divulged the STARTLING revelaton that, after the first explosion in London, an Israeli person was advised to not go out into the streets.

    WOW. That proves everything about how Israel actually runs the jihad, Ed. I’m your disciple now.

  43. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Edna, Are all those “Ha Ha” you proof or are you off your meds again?

  44. Nathan
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    I see now. You dont have any proof after all…

    this is just your speculation.

    That is what I originally thought, but wanted to give you the chance to show me if you did.

  45. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, If you do some research you might learn something. What gave you the beliefs you have now?

  46. Tricia
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    dan newland writes:“…the rich get richer and the poor get poorer! When people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet tell us what Bush and Company is wrong for the country [sic] somebody ought to listen.”

    Talk about a mixed message! First we are encouraged to dislike and distrust the rich with “an old Kansas saying”, and then we are asked to give credence to the blatherings of two of the richest robber barons in the history of the world. I give those two the same credibility that I give to entertainers and news readers when they talk outside their area of expertise (small computers, investing, acting, and reading). Their opinions about politics are no more credible than my dog’s.

    By the way — I understand how the rich can get richer, but if the poor already have nothing, how do they get poorer? Anyway, it’s a meaningless statement meant only to be divisive. It’s an example of simple resentment crossing the line into bona-fide class envy. It’s not helpful, dan.

  47. Nathan
    Posted July 10, 2005 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    I have done plenty of research in my life.

    No amount of “research” will lead me to any evidence to support this supposed Bush-Sharon link you keep claiming.

    Unless you have something I dont know about to back it up?

  48. Tricia T.
    Posted July 11, 2005 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Ed, you asked me to tell about the village of Deir Yassin?

    This village was where the Arab militias covered their incompetence by falsely claiming atrocities so horrible that it caused Palestinian Arabs to flee the region – giving rise to refugee camps that were later blamed (also falsely)on Israel.

    Not that it will do any good, but here is the most factual account I’ve found of what actually happened:http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac17.htm

    It is very difficult to sort out the facts in the long Zionist – Arab struggle. It’s something like listening to two kids claiming the other one started it, except for one thing — the Arab accounts tend to be either very short with little factual evidence, or long irrational rants with no evidence at all. On the other hand, the Israeli accounts are thorough, well-documented, and often use Arab sources to corroborate their own sources.

  49. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 11, 2005 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    Tricia T, Zionist supporters, such as yourself. act as though the Palestinians did not have villages, homes, farms and land when the Zionists invaded, but rather they “just peacefully moved into Palestine.”

    The falsified documents forged by Zionists do not offer any proof, and it’s insulting for you to offer them. Below is a list of UN resolutions condemning Zionist actions.

    http://www.uscrusade.com/forum/config.pl/noframes/read/1372

    http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

    Common sense dictates that the Zionists had to kill the Palestinians in order to take their land, farms and homes which Israel now occupies along the 418 Palestinian Villages Zionist’s bulldozed, but as your suggesting just somehow miraculously disappeared.

    The “facts on the ground” contradict everything you’re saying and old maps indicate those villages were right where “Israel” now stands. The Palestinians didn’t leave voluntarily. They were murdered and driven-off their land.

    The massacre at Deir Yassin is a matter of history. Israeli accounts of that event are a complete fabrication.

  50. Tricia T.
    Posted July 11, 2005 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    That’s it, Ed. When the facts all line up against you, you just claim they’re all forgeries. Are the Arabs and Arab newspapers that corroborate the Israeli facts also forgeries?

    UN resolutions against Israel are one of the scandals of our time. There are almost 60 Muslim countries in the UN. They regularly manufacture victim status for themselves and con the UN’s hate-America crowd into adding their votes to their one-sided slaps at Israel.

    As for Israel’s territory, the League of Nations put the administration of Palestine under a British Mandate in 1922. The British set aside the portion of Palestine east of the Jordan River for the country of Jordan, Most importantly, Article 2 of the British Mandate also included direction from the League of Nations to “secure the establishment of the Jewish national home”…. That Jewish national home was established by a partition plan for western Palestine that was finally approved in 1947 by UN Resolution 181.

    Naturally, knowing that a Jewish nation in Palestine was the official policy of the League of Nations, the Zionist movement grew rapidly as many Jews immigrated to Palestine and bought land. Interestingly, the immigrant jews created the first viable economy in the region since the Romans kicked their ancestors out about 70AD. This brought many job-seeking Arabs into Palestine.

    Israel was formed by Jews who were tired of being persecuted and slaughtered in Europe, the USSR, and muslim countries. Partly because of the horror of Nazi and Communist exterminations, and partly because it gave them an opportunity to confiscate the property of departing Jews, people in Europe and Russia supported the idea of a Jewish state.

    With broad support, the UN gave the Jews part of western Palestine in 1947, and the Israelis took them up on the offer in 1948. The surrounding Arab countries immediately attacked Israel and were beaten badly. As with all wars, the victor (Israel) took some land in order to improve its security position. Jordan and Egypt took some, too. Nobody complained about them, though.

    National boudaries are almost always redrawn after a war. Disputed lands always go to the victor. All this handwringing over the poor Arabs in Palestine who lost their land to so-called “Israeli aggression” is a bunch of drivel. Only fools buy the Arab scam of self-victimization. The Arabs attacked Israel and lost. Israel gets to state the terms of surrender. But here we are, almost 60 years later, and the Arabs are still whining.

    Altogether, surrounding Arab countries (with USSR weapons) have attacked Israel three times (1948, 1967, and 1973). Each time, Israel beat them soundly and realigned its borders in an effort to provide buffer zones that would deny Arabs places to continue terrorizing and attacking Israel. Israel has every right to those lands, not only because they are helpful for Israeli security, but also because the Arabs forfeited them by their continual aggression.

    It is essentially impossible to find an agreeable solution to the issues because Arabs will not be satisfied until there is no Israel. Complete domination is, after all, a basic Muslim religious tenet.

    Instead of negotiating in good faith, Arabs continually dredge up propaganda to support their self-styled “victim” status. Their long lists of imagined grievances go all the way back to the Muslims’ brutal conquest of the area in the 8th century. There’s no end to it.

    Nevertheless, one gets an unmistakeable sense that Israel is in the right from the quality of information published on each side of the issue. You can find many Israeli commentaries that are even-handed, well-documented, and thorough; but Arab arguments tend to be one-sided rants with nothing but bile to support them – much like Ed’s writing.

    Ed, like I said when I showed you the facts in my last post, my efforts won’t persuade you in the least. You are too certain of things to admit that you have been hoodwinked by kitman and taqiyya propaganda. You’re lost to reason. I’m not going to bother with you any more.

  51. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 11, 2005 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Tricia, Have you and Nathan been playing in the “crop-circles” again? Have the “little green men” been telling you what to write?

  52. joseph
    Posted July 11, 2005 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Ed,Your credibility is zero at this point. I am sure you will never match Tricia’s thorough research and honest assessments of political events. What’s more, she responded directly to your points, but you just threw up more flack instead of responding directly to hers. You’re just a Bush hater with a dull axe and a toy grinder. Tricia was right to dismiss you.

    There are real debates that could be engaged over how the country should best proceed from here; but the endless stream of Bush-bashing flack from you and your kind is totally counterproductive. You don’t have a viable alternative for action, other than some vague notions of doing the opposite of whatever Bush does.

    That’s not a plan, it’s obstructionism.

    Obstructionism is worthless, but you have it at the core of your political beliefs and commentary, along with childish name-calling and the like. Your unwillingness to keep your discourse at the adult level speaks loudly about the puerile value of your ideas.

  53. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 11, 2005 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Joseph, It would be very helpful if you had any idea what you’re talking about. You are complaining, complaining, complaining. What’s the point?

  54. CF
    Posted July 12, 2005 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Joseph,

    So, ‘obstructionism is worthless,’ eh? My how the tune changes when the shoe is on the other foot, if I may be allowed to mix metaphors.

    I seem to recall a certain Senator Helms who, as head of the Senate’s Foreign Relations Committee, gained the nickname ‘Senator No.’

    So, still think ‘obstructionism is worthless’?

    And frankly, you’re being disingenuous in denying that folks on the left offer a substantive alternative to the current feckless, undemocratic, and delusional policies of the Bush administration. Don’t even pretend that you’re willing to entertain our criticisms of Bush: I’ve read your stuff, and you aren’t. If that’s the case, then any alternative Ed, I, or anyone else proposes that doesn’t match up with the Right-Wing marching orders that come down from on high will never be enough to win over the likes of you.

    When we argued previously a number of threads back, I was intellectually honest enough to admit that I was mistaken. I see NONE of that honesty on the part of Tricia, Nathan, or you, Joseph. When evidence to the contrary is presented and you ignore it, then there truly is no point in arguing.

    Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

  55. greg
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    CF, your claims of fair-mindedness are greatly overstated. I don’t always agree with the right, but I can’t put any stock in your tantrums, either.

    Yessir, calling the man “Senator No” proves everything. The very idea that you would use such an argument proves the emptiness of your position. So I guess your arguments boil down to “I’m right because my side is better at cheap personal attacks than your side.”

    Anyway, I haven’t seen anything for joseph to apologize about. Your criticisms aren’t worth entertaining. I think he’s right to call you all on not having a plan. All I ever read is flack from you Bush haters. Tricia, joseph, Ireland, Nathan, Hank and a few others have demolished your position over and over with their clear thinking and factual backup.

    You and Ed and JR and WR can rant away, but you keep losing. You have hate on your side, but not much else.

  56. CF
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Test post: I want to respond to Greg, but this thing keeps spitting back my comments.

  57. CF
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    I could not care less what you think of me. Look who you listen to: Tricia the recycler of Free Rupublic spin, who will defend any right-wing position regardless of its moral and intellectual bankruptcy; Nathan who plays (?) dumb and dodges rather than answer direct questions, Joseph who whines and offers no factual support or cogent arguments, and Hank, who I haven’t read extensively.

    E. Ireland I respect. Why? Because he doesn’t act as if the things he thinks are the gospel truth, and on some issues actually concedes partisan ground.

    As for this extensively repeated meme that the Liberals have ‘no ideas.’ Please. Our ideas WORK, Greg. Social Security WORKS. Headstart WORKS. Medicare WORKS. The G.I. Bill WORKS. Building international coalitions, rather than ‘coalitions of the willing,’ WORKS. And yes, Greg, international agencies WORK. The IAEA was right about the absence of Iraqi WMD, and the Bush administration was lying.

    Just ‘having a plan’ isn’t enough, Greg. Know who else had plans, big plans? Hitler. Mussolini. For a plan to be worthy, it has to be a GOOD plan. And judging by our trashed budget, depleted military, and millions without insurance, I’d say we can’t afford a lot more of these ‘plans’ that the Right Wing Think Tanks send down from on high.

    So, Ed, JR, WR, and I just ‘keep losing,’ eh? Rather self-serving of you to declare victory, Greg. Let’s see you defend Bush’s record.

  58. CF
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Pt. II

    Greg,

    What’s your point on ‘Senator No?’ Want some example of the factual record of Jesse Helms’ obstructionism? O.K. I can Google as well as anyone on this.

    -Helms’s obstruction of African-American nominees to the Fourth Circuit Court of appeals.

    -Derailing William Weld as Ambassador to Mexico.

    And FYI, I tried and tried to include the hyperlinks but the system wouldn’t accept them. Google ‘Helms obstructionism’ for the documentation.

  59. Karl Rove
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patrioticfervor. For patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as itnarrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fervor pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of thecitizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and patriotism will offer up all of their rights to the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done, and I am Julius Caesar.

    Or George W. Bush. Thanks for the second term, Suckers!

  60. CF
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    That Rove. Such a kidder!

  61. W.R. Locke
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Gregory (may I call you Gregory?), I was sitting out for a while since somebody else seems to be using my name, but since you dragged me into this (You and Ed and JR and WR can rant away), etc, and because I think you’re a little on the scattered side, I’m back.You said,” I don’t always agree with the right”. Show me anyplace where you haven’t taken an extreme right-wing nut-case position. Otherwise, you’re just another lying, brain-dead right-wing cracker. Now if you want to mix it up with my friend CF, set to it. But considering I wasn’t bothering you till you dragged my name into it, I suggest you leave me alone. Go do us all a favor and clean off your sticky keyboard.

  62. Karl Rove
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Be Quite, CF, or I will disclose your identity as well. I AM UNTOUCABLE!

  63. Karl Rove
    Posted July 13, 2005 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    And I can’t spell, either. Too much inteligent design while I was in school.

  64. CF
    Posted July 14, 2005 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Stop, Rove! Stop! You’re KILLING me!

  65. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 15, 2005 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Just In : Israel murdered six more Palestinians last night using American weapons, suposidly for defensive purposes only. These butchers need to be stopped. The weapons should be taken away from them.

  66. Ed Friedemann
    Posted July 15, 2005 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Here it is:

    http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/3289/