President Bush said at a press conference in Denmark on Wednesday that he would be assessing potential U.S. Supreme Court nominees for “their character, their interests” — not their legal rulings. But he may be the only one.
Already, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has been taking heat from conservatives for not being pro-life enough. Here is an interesting look at the front-runners’ views on abortion from Slate.com. President Bush may not be interested, but everyone else sure seems to be.
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Let’s face it, no matter what anyone says we all know that abortion is going to be the litmus test (for both side) in the appointment of a new Supreme Court justice.
Abortion was really the underlying, but driving issue of the election. The Supreme Court and its future make up was a critical issue in votecasting. Bush’s win — credited to churchgoers voting on moral issues with abortion #1 — was a mandate from the people for the President to change the make-up of the court to one that would protect the Constitutional guarentee to the Right to Life for all, including the pre-born. If Bush betrays those voters, it will be the biggest betrayal since Benedict Arnold, and with more disasterous results.
If Roe v. Wade is overturned by the Supreme Court, you can kiss your freedoms good-bye. The original decision was not based on abortion per se. It was based on the right of women to make private decisions about their bodies and reproductive rights.
An overturn will result in people taking to the streets. Hell hath no fury like a woman who loses her rights.
Bush is screwed, either way.
RDWhy all the hand wringing and promised fury if Roe v Wade is over turned. If the Federal Govt gets out of the picture, it will be a state by state issue that can be regulated by the voters. Abortions will still be legal in some states under some circumstances. The raw emotion of you pro choicers, the woman scorned routine is quite humorous.
Did you religous fanatics really think Bush was going to honor his promises to you? Abortion will remain safe and legal in some form in this country for many years to come. And Republican politicians will whip you silly-ass fanatics into a frenzy every 2 years to get your vote. Oh, they’ll throw you a crumb now and then, like the occasional anti-gay law, but you might as well face it. You’re cattle and the Republicans are right to treat you as such. Now be good little wingnuts and run out and vote for the GOP so they can bend you over some more.
Al..Come on now… give us a little credit… I’m a full fledged religious fanatic every second of every day…. why would I wait for 2 years to get worked up over some stupid election? My God is in control anyway! Whoever is named to the Court will be serving His purpose…
Ah yes… What a travesty to the civilized world as we know it to prevent the deaths of millions of unborn children.
Has anyone figured out what the “Add me to your TypePad People list” means? Or how to do it?
Just wondering.
Hank
Has anyone figured out what the “Add me to your TypePad People list” means? Or how to do it?
Just wondering.
Hank
Why? Why does abortion have to be the sole issue. I swear, we could get a one legged penguin on the supreme court as long as he had the correct opinion on abortion (this applies to both sides!).What about knowledge and wisdom to uphold the constitution? You will NEVER, EVER hear me say this again, but I agree with President Bush (gag)–vote according to the nominee’s character and interests.
How do liberals (and the liberal media) reconcile 1.2 MILLION abortions per year (2 U.S. babies killed every MINUTE) in the U.S. against any of their arguments? With every feeble spin of children, minorities, poor, war, or U Name The Cause, I have to challenge their credibility when they conveniently forget about killing unborn children.
Also, am I the only one that is getting tired of responding to the inane subjects WE editors come up with?
How many would like to see a format change such that anyone could start a subject line?
Just wondering?
Very simple, Truthand Justice. Not everyone shares your view on what exactly a baby is. If I have something growing in my body that has no chance of survival outside of it, that makes it part of my body, and therefore my domain. Late term abortions, or partial birth abortions are banned, and rightfully so, because many fetuses are viable (able to exist outside the human body)as early as 5 months, given the proper life support and hospital care.We will never change each other’s mind on the abortion issue, so let us not try. These blogs are ugly enough as it is. I just wanted to try and answer your question.
I’m with Hank. WE eds, just post an open topic link and see what happens.
Late term abortions are banned? George Tiller does them ALL THE TIME at his abortion facility here in Wichita. In fact, he’s known around the world as a late term abortion expert!
Tara, what do you think miraculously happens at the fifth month of pregnancy to suddenly change your baby into a baby? I am not trying to be harsh, but I don’t understand how one minute you can do whatever you want because it’s your body, but the very next it’s wrong because it’s a viable baby.
From the experiences I have had from talking to many women considering abortion, many abortions are committed because people think it is an easy way out of their situation, not for any she-power ideological theory.
Jane,Kansas allows late-term abortion only if the mother’s life is in danger or the unborn child has been deemed not medically viable. Elective late-term abortion is illegal.Personally, I’m against abortion. But I think there is, under very narrow circumstances, some very good reasons for abortion, particularly to save the mother’s life. I suspect my opinion would be very different if I was a 16 year-old pregnant by a father, uncle, or a rapist. Still, a woman’s right to her own body supersedes your right to tell her what to do with her body. I don’t think I want the government or any group of religous fanatics making that kind of choice.
Sigh…..Abortion is NEVER going away. True Story:Down the street from me lives a childless older couple. They still sport their Bush 2004 sticker on the bumper of their car which sits in front of their home which sports a “choose life” poster on the front door.But, their residence is a rundown apartment. Their vehicle is old.Now if abortion is outlawed, the GOP has no hold on such folks. Deprived of their crusade, for whatever reason they hold it, they will look at their lot in life under GOP rule. They will start to think about other things like a living wage and fair working conditions. And then they will no longer vote GOP.And so abortion is never going away. The GOP needs it to make good hearted people vote for a cold hearted party.If you dispute this,then ask yourself why the GOP is Oh so concerned with the rights of the unborn while they seem to care little or nothing about the welfare and needs of those outside of the womb.
Actually quite a few republicans support womens privacy and abortion will never be banned in the US, unless we establish a theocracy.
There are also plenty of Democrats that are pro-life and want to ban abortion. Even the beloved Hiliary Clinton made reference to that. Many Catholics are pro-life and most Catholics are Democrats, including the beloved John Kerry.
John Edwards won a lawsuit against a woman who committed a lawful abortion, because he can channel the dead baby thoughts and project it to the jury.
Also! Pro-life, Pro-Choice advocay groups make millions of dollars and employee quite a few people for their cause. Both don’t want the issue to end because they would lose money and paid jobs.
This issue is across the Party line and goes both sides. You are either Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, or Pro-Don’t Care! That is the only thing seperating the issue, not political party.
I made a mistake on my eariler comment. The John Edwards case I believe was a women who lost her unborn baby in an supposed malpractice suit. But I saw the video of Edwards channelling the baby’s thoughts begging for help, begging to be let out of the womb.
That would make a case for pro-life would it not?
Puzzled, so glad I could give you a chuckle. It’s clear that you’re a male, and as one, really have no voice in this. If the shoe were on the other foot, I have no doubt that you would be the one screaming for rights. When fetuses can be counted as dependents on Federal Income Tax, then they can legally be considered the unborn. Please read the Supereme Court’s decision on Roe v. Wade. This isn’t just about abortion. It’s about women’s rights. It’s about rights, period. Once we begin to allow even one of our rights to be taken away, it leaves the door open for more. This doesn’t mean only reproductive rights or women’s rights, it means all rights. Am I passionate about that? Yes. You would be, too.
“Tara, what do you think miraculously happens at the fifth month of pregnancy to suddenly change your baby into a baby? I am not trying to be harsh, but I don’t understand how one minute you can do whatever you want because it’s your body, but the very next it’s wrong because it’s a viable baby.”
I respect your view, and I admit, abortion is a horrible, horrible thing to deal with. I could never have one, knowing that if I get pregnant accidentally, I have unconditional love from my parents and the means to get a job that will support my child, even if it interferes with my greater plans. Sadly, not everyone is as blessed as I am.
Before the second trimester, the fetus is not a baby. It, to use the medical definition, a parasite, much like a virus or cancer cells. Am I equating a fetus and cancer? Hell, no. I just mean that when it has no chance of survival except in the womb, it is part of the woman’s body, and her domain. When it is able to live outside the woman, that makes it closer to a person, and we should protect it.
And I find it ironic that the people who care so much about a clump of cells that have the POTENTIAL to turn into a person are the same ones who are fervently against social programs to support the baby when its born.
D.A., excellent comments. What I find interesting is that most Pro-Life proponents are interested only pre-birth. Once a child is born, they have no use for it. It’s then that they begin to spout venom toward that 16-year-old for having allowed her father, uncle, or rapist to violate her.
I am personally Pro-Choice, but please don’t confuse that with Pro-Abortion. I will fight, with passion, a woman’s right to choose what happens to her and her fetus. I believe the issue is between the woman, her doctor, and her creator, if she believes in one. She is the one who must live with her decision. Not me. Not you. Just her.
Here, here, Tara!
I wonder how many of you who are pro-choice support the Endangered species protection act which provides severe fines and prison for people who tamper with or destoy certain endangered species eggs?
Seriously…
If we follow the logic that it really isnt a living animal yet, just some cells in an egg then why bother protecting Bald Eagles eggs and Sea turtle eggs?
They are only “potential” life not life yet.
I find it sadly ironic that we will protect unborn animals but not unborn children.
And I find it “sadly ironic” that the people who call so loudly for fetus rights are the same people who don’t give a crap about killing thousands of innocent people in a political war. Yo’re the usual brand of loudmouth conservative hipocrite, Nathan.
First of all I care deeply about the loss of innocent life.
Second I dont think this is a political war.
Take away the Pro-Choice argument of rape and incest, as that can be resolved the very next day after the terrible ordeal. Problem solved. Hard core Catholics may have a problem with this, but this Pro-Lifer does not. Number of abortions due to woman or child health is negligible. That leaves the women (and hopefully her partner) with the consequences of their consensual sex. Abort an unborn child or keep the child. Abortion is a deplorable form birth control, plain and simple. The solution is not simple though. Following true conservative platform, I’m suggesting that instead of more government legislation (which didn’t work in the past), we stay on course building a stronger economy, incentivising the hard worker, building individual wealth, increasing education funding (from a larger tax base, not more taxes), and therefore maybe this will decrease abortions due to bad judgements. Everyone wins, most importantly the unborn child of GOD! “Make it so Number One”.
Nathan? Last I checked Humans were not endangered as a species. This squashes your arguement…..unless you do care about humans in danger. And if so, how about some concern for the born? Where are ya’on welfare reform Nathan?Ya know, until the right gets concerned with quality of life for those out of the womb, I think they need to shut up. Anything else stinks of hypocrisy
I fully believe in the rights of women to control the fate of their unborn fetus. Furthermore, I believe that all of the liberal polticians that support partial birth abortions are correct. In fact, all of the reasoning that people use for abortion could be extended to five years of age.
By five years of age the child really could be viable. In latin American countries they live wild on the streets and seem to survive OK. Oh sure, many of the people consider them no more that pesty two legged rats and try to exterminate them, but it is not punished down there and really shouldn’t be until they are older than five or six.
Parents should have the right to make a decision on the continued life of a child until they are five. At that age you have ahd a chance to see if they are worth keeping. Most of the really serious childhood and genetic deseases would have shown up by then. At five you have to buy them shoes and send them to school. School is probably the greatest financial burden that results from raising a healthy child. At five you would have all of the information that you would need to make an informed decision on the continued life of a child.
I wouldn’t even name the child or even refer to it as a ‘child’ or ‘baby’. Call it by some cold title so that you can make your decision to end its life without emotional conflict. I would recommend calling it a “post fetal developing organism” or merely “the thing”.
This new standard for elimination of inconvienient finacial burdons would have several pluses. The mother would never wonder how her baby would have turned out if she hadn’t aborted it. She would know by five years of age that she had done the right thing. The reality of raising a child that was never going to excell in sports or school could be confirmed. She would always know she had done the right thing.
Hank
Hank, why not just make it retroactive until the age of say,…..30? I know plenty of people that would like the option of changing their minds about being parents by the time the kids gets to that age.
Damoon,
I see that you are getting the point of why abortion is wrong.
Dear Damoon,
I think that if the child is still living in the parents home at 30 it shouldn’t be a very serious crime to abort the “thing”. The problem is you’ve already invested a lot in education and groceries by the time they are 30.
However, if they have moved out and are basically sponging off someone else, you shouldn’t have to abort them, just change your locks and use call blocker.
Hank
For all the high-minded talk about morality and what’s right and what’s wrong, I still see a lot of men trying to exert control over women. Guys, what you think doesn’t mean squat. What it boils down to is, you don’t have the right to force your morals or your decisions on a woman. It’s her body and it’s her choice. If you’re against abortion, don’t get one. Hank, being a snide ass-hat doesn’t solve anything. And Nathan, go ahead and climb up on your pulpit and preach, but I got news for you, pal. The bible isn’t what you say it is. It isn’t what I say it is for that matter. It’s what GOD says it is. I think I’ll take God’s word over yours.
I pray for the day when there is no abortion, but I dread if the time comes when people like you dictate what a woman must do with her body. Until you walk in her shoes, you just have no idea. You don’t know the situation, you don’t know what lead to such a hard decision, you don’t know the facts. You pass judgment, but judgement is the realm of God and if a woman decides to have an abortion, it’s between her and her God.
The GOP uses the abortion issue to get people all stirred up, but you’ll notice, the Bush Junta hasn’t done anything about it now, have they? And they won’t. It’s too handy to be able to trot abortion out and get all you conservatives wetting yourselves every 2 years. You guys and all your busy-body kind need to mind your own business.
Dear W.R.
I’m shocked. I’m hurt. I am a man that has basically been controlled by women all his life. I am very happy and content with my subservient place in life. I’m not trying to force my morals or decisions on anyone.
I propose a very logical and serious solution to several of the problems in our society. I used the very same logic that some of our most esteemed statemen and statewomen have used to support partial birth abortion.
Your personnel irrational attack on me adds nothing to the debate.
Hank
Get over yourself, Hank.
Hard to do, if you know me you love me.
Hank
Damn Hank, it’s hard to stick my finger in your eye when you got me doubled over laughing.Have a good one Bud.
Hey,
You have a good one too!
Hank
W.R. Locke,
I dont have to be a woman to understand if something is a living being or not.
As far as praying goes…
Who exactly are you praying to for no abortion?
Do you only pray that God will put leaders in power to get us out of this war or did you actually vote for one?
Just wondering at what level do you no longer just pray for something, but actually do something.
Also, since you pray for it to stop you must think it is wrong? Why do you think it is wrong enough to pray for its end?
Dont get me wrong, I pray that abortion will stop too. However, I will also support people who will enact the ideals I support and believe in.
“Who exactly are you praying to for no abortion?”Well Nathan, who I pray to is not your concern.
“Do you only pray that God will put leaders in power to get us out of this war or did you actually vote for one?”What I pray for is again, none of your business.
“Just wondering at what level do you no longer just pray for something, but actually do something.”I would imagine that’s beyond your comprehension.
“Also, since you pray for it to stop you must think it is wrong? Why do you think it is wrong enough to pray for its end?”I think you probably get a lot of excercise jumping to conclusions.
“Dont get me wrong, I pray that abortion will stop too. However, I will also support people who will enact the ideals I support and believe in.”Oh, I don’t think I’ve got you wrong, in fact, I think I’ve pretty well got your number.
W.R. Locke,
I am not ashamed to tell you that my Lord is Jesus Christ the only son of God sent to die for our sins.
I pray to him that abortion will cease.
I didnt think it was something that shouldnt be shared.
I apologize though, I didnt mean to ask you such personal questions.
Nathan,And I am also not ashamed to tell you that my Lord is Jesus Christ the only son of God sent to die for our sins.I wonder if we’re talking about the same Jesus.
And I pray to Him to show me the way. It probably won’t be your way.
“I didnt think it was something that shouldnt be shared.”I think you use religion as a sword and not a shield.
I apologize though, I didnt mean to ask you such personal questions.Your sarcasm is wasted on me.
Nathan, a question:As Marines, when we end our prayer, we ask God to bless the Marine Corps. What particular person do we also ask God to Bless?
LOL
All I do is qoute scripture to people. I didnt realize that was a bad thing.
I am curious if you think the unborn child is a human life though?
It is hard for me to understand why a Christian would support abortion. I am just being honest.
W.R. Locke,
I dont know who you end your prayer asking blessings for.
*I feel as if this is some trick question, but I’ll bite…*
I guess it depends on your motives, doesn’t it?
“I am curious if you think the unborn child is a human life though?”I don’t know, Nathan. I leave that to God’s judgment.
“It is hard for me to understand why a Christian would support abortion. I am just being honest.”
I don’t think I said that exactly.
Please answer my last question.
Ah, but Nathan, it’s a question that every Marine knowa the answer to.
Sorry to dissapoint you. I have been in the Marines for 8 years now and dont remember the answer to that question if I knew it…
I dont remember ever knowing it though.
So, what is the answer then?
Come on Nathan, this is basic boot camp. I’ve been out for over 30 years and I still remember. As intelligent as you are you can’t answer something as basic to espirit de corps as this? You can recall all that scripture at will, but you don’t “remember the Marine Corps prayer?
Ah…
I was never required to memorize The Marines Prayer.
Are you going to tell me now or continue trying to do whatever it is your are doing?
Google away, Nathan, but you’ve taken too long. There was a question in my mind, and I think you’ve answered it.
I have a copy of The Marines Prayer, but still dont get what you are talking about.
Sigh…
You actually get me all worked up and you are not even going to tell me what is going on?
Blah.
Nathan, over the history of the Marines, a lot of things have changed. I can’t discuss technology because it’s changed. But son, some things never change. You were never required to “memorize” the Marine Corps prayer? Indeed! There’s something about a Marine that sets him apart.Espirit de Corps is one of those things that sets us (Marines) apart. You don’t seem to know the basics and that makes me wonder….
Oh my! you have a copy of the Marine Corps Prayer! Sorry my boy, that won’t work.Nathan, who is the greatest Marine who ever lived?
I would say Chesty Puller.
And I would say there may be hope for you yet. Goodnight Nathan.
If you want to test if I am a liar about being a Marine there are a hundred different ways you could do so without asking me who is the last person blessed in the Marines prayer…
What are the 3 Corps Values?
Sorry Nathan, game over, goodnight.
If nathan is a a marine he seems to have great deal of free time. He posts on many threads. Perhaps he is a recruiter, exempt from the frontline service that recruiters subject their victims to. Perhaps nathan has somehow been lucky to escape frontline service.If that is the case then I think he needs to volunteer for overseas service.
JR,
Why is it everyone wants to make this something personal?
Sheesh.
How about you JR, You are going to criticize my service, what do you do?
Oh My, Nathan,
“Why is it everyone wants to make this something personal?”(Whining?!?!?)
I guess it’s because your attitude brings that out in people.
“How about you JR, You are going to criticize my service, what do you do?”(Feeling sorry for ourself?!?)
Nathan, when I combine that statment with:”If you want to test if I am a liar about being a Marine ….”
By association you “seem” to insinuate that I called you a liar or denegrated your service.
Show ME where,
Demonstrate to ME how..
Prove to ME….
Nathan, I didn’t call you a liar; in fact, I went to great leingths to avoid calling you a liar. Again, that Espirit de Corps thing. And I must say, Judging by your responses, the Corps isn’t doing a very good job of instilling E/C, But I suppose that’s just one of the many differences between the New and the “Old” Corps.
Nathan, In the ‘Old” Corps, you’d have never made it. Somebody would have beat your snotty ass to death.But again, I’ll be the first to admit, there are major differences between new and “Old” Corps. Not convinced the changes were for the better, LOL.
Nathan, you’re a classic “control freak”, witness how you ALWAYS have to have the last word. ALWAYS. In this particular thread, you weren’t in control.
Get used to it. Get over yourself.
Not to change the subject, but I just think the world is a beautiful place, that our opportunity to walk on this earth for a short time is nothing less than a miracle. To deprive someone of their existance on this earth because they’re inconvenient or imperfect to me is wrong. Everyone’s life should be cherished, but unfortunately, I live in the real world. If abortion is outlawed, women will return to the back alleys and there will be more death, not less. I would hope for a world where someday abortion would be a rare thing. Unwanted pregnancy is too common nowadays, and people will continue to deal with it they way they choose. What I don’t undersatnd is the hypocrisy of those Christians who believe it’s OK to kill innocent children in war (collateral damage), but express outrage because abortion is legal. Just like I don’t understand how a doctor who makes his living performing abortions can call himself a Christian and go to church every Sunday. The world is just chock full of hypocrites!!
Dad-gummit Damoon, you’re going to get him preaching again!
;=)
W.R. Locke,
Wow.
You see, what I have learned is that, once a Marine always a Marine. We are a band of brothers.
Perhaps this “Old Corps” you were in didnt teach this or instill it, but I know it.
I wouldnt think to denigrate your serivce as a Marine.
You can speculate all you want on my not making it or me getting my “snotty ass” beat to death, but you have no idea.
In fact, those are the comments I would expect to hear from some 2nd grader on the school playground not a fellow Marine.
Perhaps maturity is something that the “Old Corps” didnt have either?
I dont think there is anything different between the “Old Corps” or the “New Corps” whatever that is.
I think you are unable to inteligently discuss your posistions on the subject so all you know how to do is try to insult me personally.
If you cant explain your posistion on abortion in an intelligent manner, then dont. You really dont have to resort to this level.
I dont blame the “Old Corps” for why you are the way you are, I just think it is you.
I love the Marines and know in my heart that they wouldnt teach or instill the type of attitude you have towards a fellow Marine.
As far as being a control freak, I call it responding to a comment on a public blog. That is the purpose is it not?
If I dont reply does that mean you are a control freak since you had the last word?
I think there are a couple of blogs this has happened in. You must be a control freak too!
With your questions and responses you seemed to imply that I was not a Marine because I didnt know the answer to your question, that is why I said what I did.
So…
Back to the topic or no?
Damoon,
Perhaps you dont understand Christians because you dont read what the scripture says?
I could show you the verses if you would like?
There are over a million abortions a year. Are you actually saying that there would be over a million women dead every year(or at least the first year) abortion is outlawed?
You’re quite a piece of work Nathan. Now watch how easy it is to walk away from you laughing.
I pray that abortion will stop, when every pregnancy is wanted and happily anticipated. That’s when no child will suffer from neglect or abuse, because he or she was anxiously awaited. Until that happens, abortion rights are a necessity lest we go back to the standby of rusty coat hangers and dark, dirty backrooms.
Tara C,
I see you too are a supporter of abortion untill 5. If they are going to be an inconvienence at 7 years old who are we to prolong their suffering? Kill them.
That would be an ideal solution to the poverty problem in Africa. If the kid is in poverty why should we prolong the suffering, just kill them.
I see you have the solution. It might be hard to sell to the international community though.
Nathan, I accept Christianity because I’ve had the ideology stuffed down my throat the whole time I was growing up and a lot of it I just simply don’t agree with. Just because I don’t believe in something, doesn’t mean I don’t understand it. As for abortion, if it’s outlawed, women will start risking their lives again getting illegal ones. Just look at countries that outlaw it (Poland for instance), illegal abortions are a big industry there. Just because it’s outlawed, doesn’t mean it will stop. I hate it as much as anyone, but I have to be realistic about it. Trying to stop abortion is like trying to stop war, the human condition being what it is, it isn’t going to happen anytime soon. Believe me, I long for a world in which neither one exists, and also a world where all children are loved and cherished. If I had one wish for the world, it would be that every child was loved.
W.R, I know he’ll start up again, but dog gone it, I can’t help myself!!!!!
PS, I made a BIG typo, I meant I DON’T accept Christianity. But if everyone else wants to believe, that’s just fine and dandy with me.
Damoon,
Either it is right or wrong. Regardless of whether or not people are going to do it.
Is murder wrong? Yes. Is it against the law? Yes. Did BTK still do it? Yes.
So should we have laws against murder since people do it anyway? Of course.
So the question is:
Is abortion right or wrong?
I assume since you say you long for a world where it doesnt exist you think it is wrong.
So why not support the protection of life?
Nathan, I do support the protection of life, with my money, my work, and my words. Me believing abortion is wrong and doing my best to help provide alternatives for women who are faced with this decision is not going to stop it. Like I said before, I live in the real world.Murder is wrong? How do you make the distinction between killing someone and murdering them? Isn’t it the same thing? When yu drop a bomb on a city with the intention of killing people, how is that different than murder? Killing is either right or wrong, if you think it is wrong, than why don’t YOU support the protection of life?
Damoon,
I happen to live in the “real world” too. A place where over 1 million unborn children are killed every year.
You dont know the difference between murder and killing?
It is a matter of legality. One is considered illegal with judicial ramifications against you and the other is not.
I guess I should be a bit more specific since you want to turn this into a technicality game.
I believe in the sanctity of life.
In order to protect the sanctity of life sometimes life must be takin.
What do I mean?
When a police officer has to shoot a suspect in order to protect his life or the life of another.
When the US had to kill Nazi soldiers in WWII in order to stop Hitler from his continued extermination of Jews and who ever else stood in his way.
In order to protect the sanctity of life sometimes people are killed.
Now, to abortion.
Over 1 million unborn children are killed every year for the convienence of the Mother.
In order to protect the sanctity of their lives I will support those who will enact laws to make those deaths illegal.
Whether or not women will still get an abortion or not is something that will be dealt with by the law.
It is called a principle. A word that I wonder if you understand.
If you truely believed that killing unborn children was wrong then why would you want it to remain legal?
I too support pro-life causes with my time, my money, my words, and my vote.
I pray that one day we will have enough Supreme Court Justices with the sense to overturn this genocide of the unborn.
Until we come up with viable alternatives, decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies, and change people’s hearts and minds, abortion will continue to exist, legal or illegal. The fact that you don’t care about women dying from botched abortions illustrates your total lack of compassion. As far as war, sometimes we don’t have a choice. WW2 was a good example. But, to lie to the American public in order to invade a country that was not threatening us based on our dependance on Middle Eastern oil is wrong. Greed rationalizes a lot of things, and this war was immoral and unnecessary.
Damoon,
My total lack of compassion?
LOL
That has to be the most backwards statement I have heard in a while!
You would rather watch over 1 million unborn children die every year so that you can prevent the death of a small amount of mothers who choose to kill their unborn illegally?
You would rather sit back and watch over 1 million unborn children die every year while we wait for the hearts and minds of the women who do it to change?
Now that makes no sense at all!
The simple fact is that as long as abortion is legal there will be an additude to take the easy way out of your responsabilities as a human to take care of your children.
If no compassion is my wanting to prevent the deaths of millions of unborn then I will gladly be the most uncompasionate person I know!
Perhaps if abortion were illegal people might think twice before engaging in sexual relations knowing that the full ramifications of thier actions could lead to children.
I guess actually making people more responsable for thier actions is my delusional thinking.
If you want to stand by and watch millions die becuase of the complete lack of responsibility on their parents part, then so be it.
I will continue to support any/all measures to put an end to this needless slaughter of the unborn for nothing more than the mere convienence of the mother.
I don’t “want to stand by” and watch millions of babies die. I’ll bet in my life I’ve done more to stop abortion than you’ve ever dreamed of doing, so get off your pedestal with your “holier than thou” attitude. When I vote, I really don’t care what the politicians view on abortion is. Why? Because no matter how prolife they are, they aren’t going to change anything in any significant way. We HAVE to start looking at solutions to prevent unwanted pregnancy, that’s the only way to get abortions to stop. You can get on the prolife bandwagon and scream all you want, but you’re not going to change a thing. I agree that when something is legitimized, we’re going to see a lot more of it. Abortion has been around too long and people have been too accepting of it to try and outlaw it at this point. I’m just being realistic. I wish that by outlawing abortion, all the unwanted pregnancies would cease and all children would be loved and wanted, but that’s just not realistic. You keep trying though, I’ve long passed the point when I felt like you, I’m exploring more realistic solutions. I wish you luck. By the way, maybe this is too personal, but have you ever had to face an unwanted pregnancy?
Damoon,
I didnt think I was on any pedestal just responding to a comment about “my total lack of compassion.”
No I have never had to face an unwanted pregnancy. I never will.
And Nathan just tipped his hand.The pro-lifers like Nathan are not about pro life. If they were they would not be the leading advocates of “wefare reform” They would demonstrate some concern for a child that is born and hungry.No what nathan and his ilk are REALLY about is enforcement of their perception of morality. To them, sex is naughty, or a religious function. They see a baby as a punishment for improper behavior. This is true throughout most of other right wing thought.Hungry? That’s YOUR fault! You made bad choices! Now get back to work and do what your boss says!Problems? That’s YOUR fault God offers an answer if only you believe as I….er I mean HE does.I got an idea for you “pro-lifers”. Concern yourselves with QUALITY OF LIFE. Stop using children as levers to force people to work long hours FOR YOU under abusive and exploitive conditions. Practice what you preach and let that single Mom off work to take care of her sick kid.If, as so many of you do, you see every child as the divine will of God, then make it YOUR mission to support every child. Take it as a divine assignment if it makes you feel better. But back off using children, poverty, and all other societal problems as some sort of punishment from God.”That you would do to the least of men, you also do to me” Jesus Christ
Maybe I didn’t get that passage right. I am after all an atheist. But maybeI get your God better than you do.
JR,
I see you have much more fun arguing with yourself. Have at it!
Nathan, I hope you never do either, but I have and so has my daughter. We both made the descision for life and have never, ever regretted it. I feel so bad for women who make an impulsive decision to abort due to the circumstances they are in and then live to regret it the rest of their lives. I know plenty of them. I can totally understand how it feels to be pregnant unintentionally at the worst possible time, and how easy it would be to find quick solution. That’s the main reason I have devoted much of my time and energy for establishing and educating about alternatives to abortion. It has been my goal to help women who feel desperate from making decisions they may regret.The issue is not black and white, and there are no easy answers.All we can do is our part to try and help people and make the world a better place. Mother Theresa said it best “You cannot do great things, only small things with great love”.
Nathan, now that the “jig” is up, I want to tell you what a neat person I think you are. You and I don’t always agree, but I admire your passon and your dedication to your ideals. Keep it up, you will make a difference! You can borrow my canoe any old time you want! Mary
LOL…
I just realized the other night who you really were Damoon.
I sometimes get a little more to the point on internet forums.
A wise man reminded me that I should talk to people here as if we were at the dinner table together.
Damoon, I, too, have seen the personal side of making that decision, in three different cases. I’m happy to say that in all three, birth was chosen. If needed, I would have argued against abortion, but I also would have left the decision up to the mothers-to-be. I’m thankful they were wise.
Nathan, I agree that we have a problem with unexpected pregnancies in this country. Abstinence would be the answer if it weren’t for human nature. Am I incorrect in believing that we’re all sinners (using the Christian term)who are trying our best to be better? Are you aware that birth control methods fail? Rape occurs? Birth defects happen? (I’m talking horrible birth defects.) People, especially women, have to make decisions that no one wants to have to make. Choices. Have you never made a bad choice? And were you free to make that choice?
One more question. Have you ever adopted one of those babies that was relinquished instead of aborted? If so, I applaud you. If not, I question why not.
RD,
What is your point in saying that we are all sinners?
Birth Control methods fail:
You should be prepared for this to happen if you are engaging in sexual relations.
Rape occurs:
Do two wrongs make a right? Kill the unborn child because of others wrong doing?
Birth Defects:
What kinds? Who determines who should be allowed to live and die according to what level of defects?
BTK made some choices too. Should he have been “free” to do so? Or did you support the laws that said he would be punished for doing so?
I am in no place in my life to be able to take care of a child let alone afford one.
I have seriously thought about being a foster parent when I am in a posistion to do so, but now is not that time.
There are people in this country who despretly want kids and have to adopt from china because of our system and the demand vs supply.
These are all besides the point though. Do you think that the unborn is a life worth protecting?