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		<title>By: wildcat07</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2008/07/08/leon-patton-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-14058</link>
		<dc:creator>wildcat07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a huge chiefs fan myself, i like where your head is at.  but about ku, they lose b-mac at RB but return sharp. they still have a lot of talent coming back at WR, everyone (including ku fans) thought their O-line last year was the biggest question mark and look out how that turned out. and of course don&#039;t forget the frustratingly efficient Reesing. Mangina appears to know as much about putting together the pieces of a football team as he does about food. which is a scary thing for any wildcat fan. 

About the game last year, yeah, i still think we should have won, but the fact remains that from that point on, KU continued to improve and KSU faltered. 

Also, playing at memorial stadium, AS KSU, is not a good thing (recently, of course). i&#039;ve been to every ksu/ku matchup since i was a freshman. (2003) and the past two games at memorial stadium have been (close to) the craziest game day atmospheres i&#039;ve been a part of. and i&#039;ve been to every ksu homegame for the past 5 years.

I agree that colorado is easily win-able, but TT is going to score 165 points against our defense while OU is going to shut us out.

I hope i&#039;m wrong. but i have started every single season until this one, counting the games that we could win, usually saying that we can win 10+ and get a BCS bowl. not this year. we&#039;ll more than likely win 5. my best guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a huge chiefs fan myself, i like where your head is at.  but about ku, they lose b-mac at RB but return sharp. they still have a lot of talent coming back at WR, everyone (including ku fans) thought their O-line last year was the biggest question mark and look out how that turned out. and of course don&#8217;t forget the frustratingly efficient Reesing. Mangina appears to know as much about putting together the pieces of a football team as he does about food. which is a scary thing for any wildcat fan. </p>
<p>About the game last year, yeah, i still think we should have won, but the fact remains that from that point on, KU continued to improve and KSU faltered. </p>
<p>Also, playing at memorial stadium, AS KSU, is not a good thing (recently, of course). i&#8217;ve been to every ksu/ku matchup since i was a freshman. (2003) and the past two games at memorial stadium have been (close to) the craziest game day atmospheres i&#8217;ve been a part of. and i&#8217;ve been to every ksu homegame for the past 5 years.</p>
<p>I agree that colorado is easily win-able, but TT is going to score 165 points against our defense while OU is going to shut us out.</p>
<p>I hope i&#8217;m wrong. but i have started every single season until this one, counting the games that we could win, usually saying that we can win 10+ and get a BCS bowl. not this year. we&#8217;ll more than likely win 5. my best guess.</p>
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		<title>By: cowbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wildcat07 is obviously a &quot;larryville&quot; troll...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wildcat07 is obviously a &#8220;larryville&#8221; troll&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2008/07/08/leon-patton-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-14047</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jmart, you should cite my post as your source... http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=27323.90 

That&#039;s just good journalism, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jmart, you should cite my post as your source&#8230; <a href="http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=27323.90" rel="nofollow">http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=27323.90</a> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just good journalism, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: squeak49</title>
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		<dc:creator>squeak49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly (and I hope I&#039;m wrong), I see a 3-9 (0-8) season for the Wildcats.  I think all the teams in the North will be better than last season with the exception of KU and K-State, and the South schedule is brutal.  MU may or may not be better, but they&#039;re still clearly the class of the division.  I expect Louisville to make major steps in year 2 under Kragthorpe, and frankly, they don&#039;t need to improve to beat K-State at home.

The JUCO guys will have to contribute hugely for K-State to win much, and I don&#039;t see any wins in the first 6 conference games.  I think Nebraska and Iowa State will continue to improve as the year goes on (look at ISU last season), and a dreaded 0-8 season is a possibility -- particularly given the fragile mental state an 0-6 start would produce.

Hell, the way UNT flings it around, and unless our defense is hugely improved, they scare me a bit too.

Hopefully I&#039;m a bit too cautious/pessimistic and the team is much more competitive, but with a somewhat objective eye, that&#039;s what I expect.  It won&#039;t take much to exceed my expectations, so I guess it&#039;ll be hard to be disappointed.  But our offense is below average and our defense is below average.  It&#039;ll be hard to win if that&#039;s the case.

Can we just go back in time 10 years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly (and I hope I&#8217;m wrong), I see a 3-9 (0-8) season for the Wildcats.  I think all the teams in the North will be better than last season with the exception of KU and K-State, and the South schedule is brutal.  MU may or may not be better, but they&#8217;re still clearly the class of the division.  I expect Louisville to make major steps in year 2 under Kragthorpe, and frankly, they don&#8217;t need to improve to beat K-State at home.</p>
<p>The JUCO guys will have to contribute hugely for K-State to win much, and I don&#8217;t see any wins in the first 6 conference games.  I think Nebraska and Iowa State will continue to improve as the year goes on (look at ISU last season), and a dreaded 0-8 season is a possibility &#8212; particularly given the fragile mental state an 0-6 start would produce.</p>
<p>Hell, the way UNT flings it around, and unless our defense is hugely improved, they scare me a bit too.</p>
<p>Hopefully I&#8217;m a bit too cautious/pessimistic and the team is much more competitive, but with a somewhat objective eye, that&#8217;s what I expect.  It won&#8217;t take much to exceed my expectations, so I guess it&#8217;ll be hard to be disappointed.  But our offense is below average and our defense is below average.  It&#8217;ll be hard to win if that&#8217;s the case.</p>
<p>Can we just go back in time 10 years?</p>
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		<title>By: mystman995</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystman995</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*clarification - we beat CU at home in 2006, but it&#039;s the year they went 2-10 so that really doesn&#039;t count.*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*clarification &#8211; we beat CU at home in 2006, but it&#8217;s the year they went 2-10 so that really doesn&#8217;t count.*</p>
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		<title>By: mystman995</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystman995</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was too optimistic last season so I have to go with reality this year:

UNT = win
MSU = win
@ UL  = road game = loss, although I&#039;m torn giving this an automatic loss prediction)
ULaLA = win
TTU = loss (no way with how the D performed last year)
@TAMU = toss up. it&#039;s a winnable game, but it&#039;s on the road so the odds aren&#039;t very good.
@CU = toss up, I think CU&#039;s a bit overrated but we haven&#039;t won there in awhile.
OU = loss
@KU = loss, but I predict a 7-5 season for them at best though.
@MU = loss
NU = toss up, although this should be a winnable game.
ISU = win, but there are no easy wins in the big 12.

Best possible prediction: 7-5
Worst record prediction: 4-8

An 8 win season is just not in the cards for this season. Next season 2009 I expect great things with a LOT of Juco Transfer seniors and a senior (hopefully heisman hopeful) quarterback.

It might be a long season.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was too optimistic last season so I have to go with reality this year:</p>
<p>UNT = win<br />
MSU = win<br />
@ UL  = road game = loss, although I&#8217;m torn giving this an automatic loss prediction)<br />
ULaLA = win<br />
TTU = loss (no way with how the D performed last year)<br />
@TAMU = toss up. it&#8217;s a winnable game, but it&#8217;s on the road so the odds aren&#8217;t very good.<br />
@CU = toss up, I think CU&#8217;s a bit overrated but we haven&#8217;t won there in awhile.<br />
OU = loss<br />
@KU = loss, but I predict a 7-5 season for them at best though.<br />
@MU = loss<br />
NU = toss up, although this should be a winnable game.<br />
ISU = win, but there are no easy wins in the big 12.</p>
<p>Best possible prediction: 7-5<br />
Worst record prediction: 4-8</p>
<p>An 8 win season is just not in the cards for this season. Next season 2009 I expect great things with a LOT of Juco Transfer seniors and a senior (hopefully heisman hopeful) quarterback.</p>
<p>It might be a long season&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: dudekc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dudekc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Percentages of Winning:

North Texas - 100%
Montana State - 100%
at Louisville - 50%
OOO La La - 100%
Texas Tech - 60% Over hyped as always
at A&amp;M - 50% We&#039;re better, but atmosphere is tough
at CU - 60% 
Oklahoma - 30% (but they may have to forfeit later for ineligible players/cheating)
at KU - 50% flip a coin
at MU - 10%
Nebraska - 70% they suck, literally
Iowa State - 80% 

Based on probability 7.6 wins 4.4 loses round it off 8-4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Percentages of Winning:</p>
<p>North Texas &#8211; 100%<br />
Montana State &#8211; 100%<br />
at Louisville &#8211; 50%<br />
OOO La La &#8211; 100%<br />
Texas Tech &#8211; 60% Over hyped as always<br />
at A&amp;M &#8211; 50% We&#8217;re better, but atmosphere is tough<br />
at CU &#8211; 60%<br />
Oklahoma &#8211; 30% (but they may have to forfeit later for ineligible players/cheating)<br />
at KU &#8211; 50% flip a coin<br />
at MU &#8211; 10%<br />
Nebraska &#8211; 70% they suck, literally<br />
Iowa State &#8211; 80% </p>
<p>Based on probability 7.6 wins 4.4 loses round it off 8-4.</p>
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		<title>By: ksu_1986</title>
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		<dc:creator>ksu_1986</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right on Jeff. The problem with this year&#039;s conference schedule is that we start conference play with teams we&#039;re undermatched at home and evenly matched teams on the road. The most winnable conference games are the last two games of the season (NU and ISU at home) and by that time we could realisticly be 0-6 in conf games and the fans will be grumbling. Optimistically I look for a 4-0 start, then a win at CU and wins at home against NU and ISU for a 7-5 record and a bowl game.

The saving grace may be the talent of the incoming juco players and the coaching staff. No one knows how good these guys are at D1 and no one knows if our young inexperienced coaches can coach (Brock/Tibesar).  This will be a very interesting year and could determine if KSU is back on track as a contender or moving towards the bottom of the conference (e.g. ISU, BU).  

If there&#039;s no bowl game, Prince will not be fired until he&#039;s given 4 seasons. They&#039;ll let this JUCO class and Josh Freeman finish up before starting fresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right on Jeff. The problem with this year&#8217;s conference schedule is that we start conference play with teams we&#8217;re undermatched at home and evenly matched teams on the road. The most winnable conference games are the last two games of the season (NU and ISU at home) and by that time we could realisticly be 0-6 in conf games and the fans will be grumbling. Optimistically I look for a 4-0 start, then a win at CU and wins at home against NU and ISU for a 7-5 record and a bowl game.</p>
<p>The saving grace may be the talent of the incoming juco players and the coaching staff. No one knows how good these guys are at D1 and no one knows if our young inexperienced coaches can coach (Brock/Tibesar).  This will be a very interesting year and could determine if KSU is back on track as a contender or moving towards the bottom of the conference (e.g. ISU, BU).  </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s no bowl game, Prince will not be fired until he&#8217;s given 4 seasons. They&#8217;ll let this JUCO class and Josh Freeman finish up before starting fresh.</p>
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		<title>By: chiefsfan42</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiefsfan42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wildcat, they return the house? They lost their TE, All-American LT, RT, Best WR, RB, All-American CB, a backup CB, DT, backup DT, K, P. That&#039;s 1/3 of their starters and both of the most important positions on the line. And it&#039;s not like they were lightyears better than us last season. They beat us by 6 points and we had the lead in the 4th! We should improve while they should be worse. 

We play well at home, and could surprise OU or TT. We should beat Texas A&amp;M because they will not be very good with a new coach. We&#039;ll beat Colorado, I don&#039;t understand the boner everyone has for them, we embarrassed them last season. And we will most definitely beat Kansas. Their offensive line is swiss cheese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wildcat, they return the house? They lost their TE, All-American LT, RT, Best WR, RB, All-American CB, a backup CB, DT, backup DT, K, P. That&#8217;s 1/3 of their starters and both of the most important positions on the line. And it&#8217;s not like they were lightyears better than us last season. They beat us by 6 points and we had the lead in the 4th! We should improve while they should be worse. </p>
<p>We play well at home, and could surprise OU or TT. We should beat Texas A&amp;M because they will not be very good with a new coach. We&#8217;ll beat Colorado, I don&#8217;t understand the boner everyone has for them, we embarrassed them last season. And we will most definitely beat Kansas. Their offensive line is swiss cheese.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Rock Star Ron goes 6-6 he saves his job.  If he goes 4-8, watch out....  The KState faithfull will begin to wonder whether hiring an unknown, unproven coach, from at best a mediocre football school, was a good decision....

Of course the architect of this whole fiasco will have long since gone... to greener pastures... and to a position with the Big 12....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Rock Star Ron goes 6-6 he saves his job.  If he goes 4-8, watch out&#8230;.  The KState faithfull will begin to wonder whether hiring an unknown, unproven coach, from at best a mediocre football school, was a good decision&#8230;.</p>
<p>Of course the architect of this whole fiasco will have long since gone&#8230; to greener pastures&#8230; and to a position with the Big 12&#8230;.</p>
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