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	<title>Comments on: WSU&#8217;s tuition will increase 8.5 percent next school year</title>
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		<title>By: martinobeano</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>martinobeano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ft. Hays is still pretty reasonable. I received my B.F.A there. I have nothing but good things to say about the Graphic Design program. Also the cost of living is very reasonable. The town may not be as impressive as Lawrence, but I guess there are less distractions. Denver and the Rockies are fairly close, which is nice.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ft. Hays is still pretty reasonable. I received my B.F.A there. I have nothing but good things to say about the Graphic Design program. Also the cost of living is very reasonable. The town may not be as impressive as Lawrence, but I guess there are less distractions. Denver and the Rockies are fairly close, which is nice.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2272</link>
		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scratch that.  When you search, just put in the institution, no names, and you&#039;ll get every employee&#039;s results.  Some are surprising!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scratch that.  When you search, just put in the institution, no names, and you&#8217;ll get every employee&#8217;s results.  Some are surprising!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2271</link>
		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;red_state,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.kansas.com/803&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;$100K at WSU&#039;s Frank Barton School of Business appears to be about the average for professors.  None make much more than that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Surprisingly, there are professors at KU who one would think make substantially more ... but they don&#039;t, they actually make slightly less.  These are Doctorate degreed full-tenured professors of Engineering, Sciences, Law and Business, too, not English teachers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve yet to find anyone at KU, KSU or WSU making even close to $200,000, let alone $300,000.  Except the men&#039;s sports coaches  :-/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>red_state,</p>

<p><a href="http://www.kansas.com/803" rel="nofollow">http://www.kansas.com/803</a></p>

<p>$100K at WSU&#8217;s Frank Barton School of Business appears to be about the average for professors.  None make much more than that.</p>

<p>Surprisingly, there are professors at KU who one would think make substantially more &#8230; but they don&#8217;t, they actually make slightly less.  These are Doctorate degreed full-tenured professors of Engineering, Sciences, Law and Business, too, not English teachers.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve yet to find anyone at KU, KSU or WSU making even close to $200,000, let alone $300,000.  Except the men&#8217;s sports coaches  :-/</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gunnison</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2266</link>
		<dc:creator>gunnison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The negative comments here about WSU are just plain mean and totally unwarranted.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The negative comments here about WSU are just plain mean and totally unwarranted.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Fluke_of_1989</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2264</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluke_of_1989</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well if WSU didn&#039;t always have to pay for our head baseball coach&#039;s legal troubles maybe they wouldn&#039;t have to increase tutition. WSU its high time your started spending taxpayers money correctly.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if WSU didn&#8217;t always have to pay for our head baseball coach&#8217;s legal troubles maybe they wouldn&#8217;t have to increase tutition. WSU its high time your started spending taxpayers money correctly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gastr1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2256</link>
		<dc:creator>gastr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, disregard the last post, as the comparison is not apples to apples...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, disregard the last post, as the comparison is not apples to apples&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gastr1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2255</link>
		<dc:creator>gastr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Further, the increase is high, but do keep in mind that tuition at the state schools is substantially lower than the national average still. Substantially. 
WSU is downright cheap compared to the average:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For Public Institutions, 2005-06: $12,108   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;source:
http://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=76&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further, the increase is high, but do keep in mind that tuition at the state schools is substantially lower than the national average still. Substantially. 
WSU is downright cheap compared to the average:</p>

<p>For Public Institutions, 2005-06: $12,108   </p>

<p>source:
<a href="http://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=76" rel="nofollow">http://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=76</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gastr1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2254</link>
		<dc:creator>gastr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, here it is again:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.php?action=result&amp;search=Enter+an+institution+name&amp;state=Kansas&amp;year=
2009&amp;category=&amp;withRanks=1&amp;limit=&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, here it is again:</p>

<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.php?action=result&amp;search=Enter+an+institution+name&amp;state=Kansas&amp;year=" rel="nofollow">http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.php?action=result&amp;search=Enter+an+institution+name&amp;state=Kansas&amp;year=</a>
2009&amp;category=&amp;withRanks=1&amp;limit=</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gastr1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2253</link>
		<dc:creator>gastr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tenured prof at WSU here. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;FYI, I make $51,000/yr.  and received no increase this year (no one in our college did). In addition, most of the faculty at any univ are not full professors (who as the most senior and highest paid occasionally, but not often, make over 100k). In my dept, NO faculty member makes over $85,000. New faculty start at $45,000. The school director makes about $100,000; our Dean makes about $150,000, we think (keep in mind there are only six deans; above them are the Provost and President).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BTW, that database is quite wrong...my colleagues and I had a good laugh at it when we noticed it last year. I don&#039;t know where the 300,000 numbers come from; I&#039;ve never known any professor who makes that. maybe at Harvard, I don&#039;t know. Nonetheless, here is a link to some REAL data...keep in mind they averages and that faculty salaries vary greatly from department to department (philosophy is not paid the same as engineering):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.php?action=result&amp;search=Enter+an+institution+name&amp;state=Kansas&amp;year=2009&amp;category=&amp;withRanks=1&amp;limit=&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tenured prof at WSU here. </p>

<p>FYI, I make $51,000/yr.  and received no increase this year (no one in our college did). In addition, most of the faculty at any univ are not full professors (who as the most senior and highest paid occasionally, but not often, make over 100k). In my dept, NO faculty member makes over $85,000. New faculty start at $45,000. The school director makes about $100,000; our Dean makes about $150,000, we think (keep in mind there are only six deans; above them are the Provost and President).</p>

<p>BTW, that database is quite wrong&#8230;my colleagues and I had a good laugh at it when we noticed it last year. I don&#8217;t know where the 300,000 numbers come from; I&#8217;ve never known any professor who makes that. maybe at Harvard, I don&#8217;t know. Nonetheless, here is a link to some REAL data&#8230;keep in mind they averages and that faculty salaries vary greatly from department to department (philosophy is not paid the same as engineering):</p>

<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.php?action=result&amp;search=Enter+an+institution+name&amp;state=Kansas&amp;year=2009&amp;category=&amp;withRanks=1&amp;limit=" rel="nofollow">http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/index.php?action=result&amp;search=Enter+an+institution+name&amp;state=Kansas&amp;year=2009&amp;category=&amp;withRanks=1&amp;limit=</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: red_state</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/gov/2009/06/25/wsus-tutiton-will-increase-85-percent-next-school-year/comment-page-1/#comment-2251</link>
		<dc:creator>red_state</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fish,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PAB&#039;s comment and salary figure&#039;s listed are basically the top percentile&#039;s, and somewhat misleading.  However, salaries over $100K for full professors at public universities like KU, KSU, and WSU are the norm, not the exception.  At least with respect to those educated in fields where there is actually private sector demand for their skills.  Tenured professors in business, engineering, and certain sciences all earn more than the average person would guess.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look for yourself.  The Wichita Eagle built a searchable database (that&#039;s still accessible somewhere on this site) where you can input a given university employee&#039;s name, and receive a salary in return.  When I looked up most of the tenured professors I learned under, I actually couldn&#039;t find a single one who made less than $100K.  It was fairly surprising.  Of course those were all business school professors.  You could look up various liberal arts professors, and find plenty in the $50k&#039;s and $60k&#039;s because - let&#039;s face it - if they weren&#039;t employed in the cozy confines of education, their career options would be very limited in scope, and very mediocre in pay.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fish,</p>

<p>PAB&#8217;s comment and salary figure&#8217;s listed are basically the top percentile&#8217;s, and somewhat misleading.  However, salaries over $100K for full professors at public universities like KU, KSU, and WSU are the norm, not the exception.  At least with respect to those educated in fields where there is actually private sector demand for their skills.  Tenured professors in business, engineering, and certain sciences all earn more than the average person would guess.</p>

<p>Look for yourself.  The Wichita Eagle built a searchable database (that&#8217;s still accessible somewhere on this site) where you can input a given university employee&#8217;s name, and receive a salary in return.  When I looked up most of the tenured professors I learned under, I actually couldn&#8217;t find a single one who made less than $100K.  It was fairly surprising.  Of course those were all business school professors.  You could look up various liberal arts professors, and find plenty in the $50k&#8217;s and $60k&#8217;s because &#8211; let&#8217;s face it &#8211; if they weren&#8217;t employed in the cozy confines of education, their career options would be very limited in scope, and very mediocre in pay.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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