Comments on: Watch this, before you talk to the police

By: Court says Sedgwick County deputy went too far in traffic stop | What the Judge Ate for Breakfast

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:05:19 +0000

[...] The case sounds similar to scenarios from a video I posted last week. [...]

By: AtlanticStorm

AtlanticStorm — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:57:21 +0000

My trust in others has never placed me at a disadvantage only my ignorance. The video erodes trust and increases ignorance with its lopsided portrayal.

By: LonnythePlumber

LonnythePlumber — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:09:32 +0000

A citizen who trusts enforcement and presumes honesty may be placed at a disadvantage when encountering tricks and misleading statements. This results not from the laws themselves but from the conduct enforcement sometimes feels is necessary and allowable.

By: AtlanticStorm

AtlanticStorm — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:39:46 +0000

Lonny that’s like saying the color yellow is yellow. By definition when a crime is committed and the law is enforced the offender becomes a criminal. If you are trying to say that you disagree with certain laws and they make people into criminals then your argument isn’t with cops who enforce the laws but with legislators who draft and make the laws the cops are then duty bound to enforce. And I gave up making critical decisions based on the sex, race or religious background of judges a long time ago. By the way judges are the third branch of government who are given the task of interpreting the laws made by the legislative branch and enforced by the the executive branch and the beauty of it is they are elected (in most cases).

By: LonnythePlumber

LonnythePlumber — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:20:10 +0000

The impact of enforcement creates criminals out of citizens every day. Locally, Judge Pilshaw stood up to excessive enforcement and suffered possible retaliation. Some of the very citizens she protected have turned against her. She is the last woman left on District Court.

By: AtlanticStorm

AtlanticStorm — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:12:33 +0000

By the way I love the constitution. I’m a student of history and the biggest danger to a country as a whole is a corrupt controlling Government who’s force of will is carried out with the barrel of a gun. The police/military are that arm. Government must be limited by the people. The key to a government officials search is that it must be reasonable and legal. Our cops do a great job and the courts weigh in on what they do all the time sometimes ending up giving them more power and other times throwing out the evidence to limit that power. The constitution is a living document that has changing interpretations all the time. Anyone that thinks our cops are “jack booted” thugs have never been to a third world country. I was in the military and saw one of our guys try something close to this ACLU stuff (yes he was drunk and must have forgot he was out of the USA). He was pulled from the car through the window beaten with sticks kicked and everything was searched with no more compliant from us. oh by the way the stop was at a random street side checkpoint. I understand the limits placed on our police but this video portrays the whole thing from the wrong point of view. For starters I would have shown some kids going to the concert without weed and the cop making bad assumptions that lead to a bad search. That would be fair, point out the lessons to be learned and not portray the dope using driver as some hero for stopping the over reaching cop. Ok I better stop for now this is way to long.

By: AtlanticStorm

AtlanticStorm — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:58:22 +0000

Re-read my post, we are talking about a car not a house. If you are familiar with prior court cases then you know a car has a lesser expectation of privacy and is mobile, which is the reason cops don’t need a warrant to search it. My point about manslaughter is one of advice. If you use drugs, lets even say weed, in your home and you’re not selling it or giving it to your kids to calm them down the chances of the law even finding out are slim. If they did find out it would take a warrant, consent or some exigent circumstance to get in your house and bust you. All that for a joint…not likely. Now climb behind the wheel of a car and get high. Not only have you opened yourself up for arrest by your semi-public possession but you’ve started putting the public at large in danger. It’s all about making good decisions from the get go. The ACLU has a video on how to make good decisions when you have already placed yourself in a jam. It might work for the weed arrest but not for other non-intended consequences like running into someone with your car while high. When that happens they pull your blood, find the weed and you’re done. Not much of a leap there ghost, I’ve seen a little weed do a lot of harm.

By: Ghost_of_Elliott

Ghost_of_Elliott — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:39:00 +0000

So the police have full access to your house, auto and anything else they wish to look at because, if you are not guilty, you wouldn’t mind them looking? Nice leap to manslaughter from possession. If some one does something bad then they are liable for all bad things or the possibility of all bad things. And those pot wielding kids are potential baby killers so screw that constitutional stuff.

By: AtlanticStorm

AtlanticStorm — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:04:08 +0000

The ACLU should say “if you want to smoke weed do it at home and don’t carry it around with you or go drive high because doing so ups your chances of not only getting busted but running into that car with the mom and kids coming home from gymnastics practice” Then the cop gets to hear the dope say “dude where did that car come from and whats will all the screaming and blood man”. Well dude don’t worry about the weed charge cause you’ll be in court on involuntary manslaughter. Maybe the ACLU will come help him out of that mess…or not.

By: AtlanticStorm

AtlanticStorm — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:59:34 +0000

I reject the way it’s presented. Lets take the first scenario done the way the ACLU wants you to do it. Done that way the cop would arrest the driver for reckless (speed excess of 20 MPH over limit…this varies by jurisdiction)the officer then does a search incident to arrest of the person and the car, finds the drugs and books everyone. Or he says this guys acting like he has a kilo of dope in the car and calls for a drug dog…and everyone gets arrested for what would usually be a weed ticket. Just enough info here to get someone into trouble but if they are driving around with dope they are already looking for trouble and should take all the HELP they can get, even if it sucks.