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	<title>Comments on: SPEEA: Talks with Spirit AeroSystems &#8220;grim and disappointing&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/aviation/2009/06/29/speea-talks-with-spirit-aerosystems-grim-and-disappointing/comment-page-1/#comment-4209</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just watch - if they strike and lose their jobs United Way will open another center to support the strikers.  Meanwhile, honest workers who lose their jobs but don&#039;t have just the right layoff notice will be left out in the cold - again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watch &#8211; if they strike and lose their jobs United Way will open another center to support the strikers.  Meanwhile, honest workers who lose their jobs but don&#8217;t have just the right layoff notice will be left out in the cold &#8211; again.</p>
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		<title>By: hersheybar</title>
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		<dc:creator>hersheybar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess who is about to join the ranks of the unemployed ? Can you spell China ? Stupid is stupid but, this is crazy !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess who is about to join the ranks of the unemployed ? Can you spell China ? Stupid is stupid but, this is crazy !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: knkoenig</title>
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		<dc:creator>knkoenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>navek, I can see you don&#039;t know SPEEA. Those aren&#039;t strangers negotiating for the engineers, it&#039;s fellow engineers elected from the membership.  Of course that&#039;s also part of the problem, for all their good intentions, these engineers aren&#039;t real negotiators, so stuff gets missed.  The simple fact is that a big company is only going to deal with their employees collectively, so the employees have to deal with the company collectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>navek, I can see you don&#8217;t know SPEEA. Those aren&#8217;t strangers negotiating for the engineers, it&#8217;s fellow engineers elected from the membership.  Of course that&#8217;s also part of the problem, for all their good intentions, these engineers aren&#8217;t real negotiators, so stuff gets missed.  The simple fact is that a big company is only going to deal with their employees collectively, so the employees have to deal with the company collectively.</p>
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		<title>By: HobbyFlyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>HobbyFlyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should take what the company offers and drop to their knees to give thanks they have a job.  These people are easily replaced with so many qualified men and women currently out of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should take what the company offers and drop to their knees to give thanks they have a job.  These people are easily replaced with so many qualified men and women currently out of work.</p>
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		<title>By: EconoMyst</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/aviation/2009/06/29/speea-talks-with-spirit-aerosystems-grim-and-disappointing/comment-page-1/#comment-4198</link>
		<dc:creator>EconoMyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let&#039;s see. Turner, and his gang, made oodles off of Spirit. Too, Onex, Goldman Sachs, and more took a bunch of money in the deal. It&#039;s as if all of that vacuuming of bucks wasn&#039;t driven by greed. 

Spirit&#039;s payout was very fortunately timed; perhaps, it&#039;ll stand as an example for some time of things that can (and do) go wrong (except, for the favored few). 

Isn&#039;t it funny to hear &#039;greed&#039; applied to the Union&#039;s simple requests when looked at in the above context?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s see. Turner, and his gang, made oodles off of Spirit. Too, Onex, Goldman Sachs, and more took a bunch of money in the deal. It&#8217;s as if all of that vacuuming of bucks wasn&#8217;t driven by greed. </p>
<p>Spirit&#8217;s payout was very fortunately timed; perhaps, it&#8217;ll stand as an example for some time of things that can (and do) go wrong (except, for the favored few). </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it funny to hear &#8216;greed&#8217; applied to the Union&#8217;s simple requests when looked at in the above context?</p>
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		<title>By: Tomkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if u belong to any union---u deserve to have no job. Remember--the mexicans are waiting---mcDonalds cant hire them all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if u belong to any union&#8212;u deserve to have no job. Remember&#8211;the mexicans are waiting&#8212;mcDonalds cant hire them all</p>
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		<title>By: navekblue</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/aviation/2009/06/29/speea-talks-with-spirit-aerosystems-grim-and-disappointing/comment-page-1/#comment-4196</link>
		<dc:creator>navekblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speea has a particularly unique niche in the world of unions in that once you obtain an engeneering degree you are automaticly in the union and I&#039;m not sure if you can opt out. SPEEA go away!! people do not need you meddling in their afairs your not doing anybody any good look what has happened to boeing. and boeing will be kicking another group, including engeneers to the curb this month!!PEOPLE  WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO STOP LETTING STRANGERS NEGOTIATE YOUR WELL BEING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speea has a particularly unique niche in the world of unions in that once you obtain an engeneering degree you are automaticly in the union and I&#8217;m not sure if you can opt out. SPEEA go away!! people do not need you meddling in their afairs your not doing anybody any good look what has happened to boeing. and boeing will be kicking another group, including engeneers to the curb this month!!PEOPLE  WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO STOP LETTING STRANGERS NEGOTIATE YOUR WELL BEING.</p>
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		<title>By: rocknrolltaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rocknrolltaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pure greed. go on strike and i hope you lose EVERYTHING! Greedy dirtbags. you better just be thankful you have a job. IDIOTS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pure greed. go on strike and i hope you lose EVERYTHING! Greedy dirtbags. you better just be thankful you have a job. IDIOTS!</p>
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		<title>By: kutrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>kutrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let &#039;em strike, I&#039;m sure Spirit would have no trouble filling their positions with employees who are grateful to work for a great company, not spoiled union hacks who think they are owed a hand-out. Unions have long out-lived their usefulness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let &#8216;em strike, I&#8217;m sure Spirit would have no trouble filling their positions with employees who are grateful to work for a great company, not spoiled union hacks who think they are owed a hand-out. Unions have long out-lived their usefulness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: glenlang77</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenlang77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe its called &quot;Greed&quot; Take take take, but never give an inch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe its called &#8220;Greed&#8221; Take take take, but never give an inch.</p>
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